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    Cool-blue Rhythm Specialized Epic Comp Disc vs Stumpy FRS Expert

    I've narrowed my duallie search to the Specialized Epic Comp Disc, and the Stumpy FSR Expert. Both bike run about the same $. The main difference is the the Epic has the Brain shock @ 100 mm, while the Stumpy has the Fox Triad with Propedal @ 120 mm.

    I ride exclusively WI trails and single track, So it think that either susp. sys. will work. My question is, how does the Propedal compare with the Brain for performance? Is there a disadvantage with the propedal system?

    There is the possiblity of dropping back to the Epic Disc to save a little bit of $. The difference here is the mechanical disc brakes vs the Hydraulic. What are the advantages/disadvantages of the mechanical vs the hydraulic brakes?

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    I dont belive there is much differance if any. I have experienced the ProPedal rear shock & like it alot when compairing to a standard shock. No mater what type of riding you are doing it has a advantage almost eliminating the bob feel.
    If the mechanical brake is the Avid BB's then you will be ok on the price drop.

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    Avid Mech. Brakes

    The brakes are "Avid BB-7, mechanical disc brakes 6" Roundagon rotor". What kind of routine maintenance will the mechanicals require compared with the hydraulics?

    Thanks for the input. Looks like the Propedal may work out just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitenose
    The brakes are "Avid BB-7, mechanical disc brakes 6" Roundagon rotor". What kind of routine maintenance will the mechanicals require compared with the hydraulics?

    Thanks for the input. Looks like the Propedal may work out just fine.
    On the caliper there is a red knob, that should be checked & adjust as the pads wear. If you notice more lever throw then normal it is usually time to adjust. Do you have the Avid manual?

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    Whitenose...

    I am trying to decide between the same two models and have the same concerns as you! How goes your research? Have you tried the brain yet? I have ridden the Stumpy Expert and love it...haven't tried an Epic yet because my LBS doesn't carry them in XL too often... I would love to learn what you decide!

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    Rthur2sheds,

    I haven't gotten a chance to ride either one yet. We are in the midst of getting our snow all melted out, and as of last Saturday, the local Specialized dealer didn't have any FS bikes built and on display (ski stuff in the way yet). They were kind enough to order a Epic in my size, and it should be here in another couple of days. Got plans for this weekend, so I may not get to try it for another week or so.

    At this point, based upon a lot of advice from one of my riding buddies, I'd lean toward the Epic, simply because the trails that we ride do not need a 120 mm suspension. He currently has a 130 mm suspension, but is switching to a 100 mm.

    FWIW, pricing on this bike (Epic) is $2500. To complicate matters, I'm also looking at a Trek EX8, with a price of $2100. Not sure how much any of the dealers will budge on the price, but $400 is significant for now. I've always tried to be a quality first buyer so I'm still considering the Epic.

    Benefits of the Epic are in my mind:
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    Horst Link suspension
    Brain Fade Shock
    Apparent good LBS support, although, I've not bought anything from them ever. The owner is a pretty good rider, and he has the respect of the other LBSs in the area as well, both for his riding abilities, and his business ethics.

    Benefits of the Trek in my mid are:
    Price, value/$
    Tubeless ready rims
    Poploc Remote lockout
    Proven good support at LBS. My beef with these guys is that I've spent over $4000 with them last year on a road bike and XC skis, and I get quoted the same price as anybody walking in off of the street. They ask for customer loyalty, but don't really reward you for staying with them. I'm having a hard time coming to grips with this.

    I'd be curious to hear what your thoughs are on these bikes though.

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    Whitenose...

    I'm a roadie convert whose been riding XC seriously for two seasons now. I bought a Trek 8000 (04) last spring and LOVE it. However, I have been doing more technical riding and am gearing myself up (pun intended) for endurance riding. I was sold on the idea of getting a decent full suspension fairly quickly...

    That said, it's hard to fathom that a BIKE in the $2500+ range is a GOOD VALUE...my first CAR cost me $500!!!!!

    Seriously, I really dig the Speshy rigs and pretty much decided last year that I would be getting the FSR comp... since that time, I've been drawn to the FSR expert and most recently, the epic comp. My biggest concern is the brain system... sounds good in theory, but I am pretty rough on bikes (Clyde...6'5" 270lbs)

    I'll let you know what I think when i get a chance to demo the Epic! Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rthur2sheds
    Whitenose...

    I'm a roadie convert whose been riding XC seriously for two seasons now. I bought a Trek 8000 (04) last spring and LOVE it. However, I have been doing more technical riding and am gearing myself up (pun intended) for endurance riding. I was sold on the idea of getting a decent full suspension fairly quickly...

    That said, it's hard to fathom that a BIKE in the $2500+ range is a GOOD VALUE...my first CAR cost me $500!!!!!

    Seriously, I really dig the Speshy rigs and pretty much decided last year that I would be getting the FSR comp... since that time, I've been drawn to the FSR expert and most recently, the epic comp. My biggest concern is the brain system... sounds good in theory, but I am pretty rough on bikes (Clyde...6'5" 270lbs)

    I'll let you know what I think when i get a chance to demo the Epic! Good Luck!

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    For a guy your size I would stay away from the epic. I am 240lbs and my local spesh dealer really pushed me toward the stumpy. It end up costing him about $600 but I will continue to support him because he was honest with me.

    The stumpy is a fine weapon and when the suspension is tuned to your liking you will be amazed at how it climbs and decends rough and rock terrain.

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    thanks for your feedback! It looks like I will probably be getting a Santa Cruz Heckler, now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rthur2sheds
    thanks for your feedback! It looks like I will probably be getting a Santa Cruz Heckler, now...

    And the decision for Whitenose is

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    I had A 2003 stumpy FSR and my bud just bought an epic comp last summer. The epic is really a race bike, tight ergonomics twitchy geometry etc. The brain rides way to firm for my tastes, i got a full suspension partially for comfort and the Epic is short on that aspect. I now ride a VT-3 and love it far more than my Stumpy. I guess it boils down to what you want from the bike. If you want comfort, pass on the Epic. If you want that hard tail feel and efficiency with the edge taken off the bumps than the Epic may be for you.
    Definitely try both before making a decision. Specialized dealers usually have test bikes just for that purpose.
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    I decided against the Epic due to the area where I live and its surrounding trails. I really liked the feel of the Stumpy expert but didn't have the $$ to pay so much for it. However, I did get the 06 comp and they gave me a free computer and $170 pair of specialized carbon comp shoes.

    my roommate is getting the epic but does a lot of xc racing so he needs it. i got into mtb'ing to get rid of the super rigid feeling coming from road biking and wanted something more comfortable.

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    Whitenose Speaks

    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    And the decision for Whitenose is
    The plan is to ride both bikes this weekend. They should both be in at the LBSs. I'll let you know the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitenose
    The plan is to ride both bikes this weekend. They should both be in at the LBSs. I'll let you know the outcome.
    Cool looking forward.

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    It finally happened.

    Well, in my livingroom sits a brand new Specialized Epic Comp Disc (my wife's not home from Vegas yet). As those of you who have been following this thread know, I was going back and forth between a Stumpjumper FSR and the Epic comp. However, after several discussions with riders in the area, I decided that the Stumpjumper was not necessary, and that a 100mm bike would be a better choice. That then led me to reconsider a Trek EX8.

    Last Saturday, I test rode both bikes. The LBS set the suspension up by the book for a ride of my weight. The Epic impressed me right of the way with its snappyness, and nimbleness. The ride was very nice, and it seemed like riding a lazyboy over the potholes in the parking lot. After switching the Brainfade from soft to firm, there was a noticeable change in firmness of the bike, but the suspension remained active through the potholes.

    Fast Forward to the Trek shop. The suspension was again adjusted to the recommended pressures. Right out of the gate, the bike felt spongy and like it was bogged down. After 3 shock adjustments, the ride was better, but still not as crisp, and like the bike didn't have any get up and go. Tire pressure was check and found to be similar to the Epic.

    We weighed the EX8 with a fish scale and found it to be 28.5 lbs. The Specialized dealer didn't have a scale.

    Based upon the test ride, I picked up the Epic last night. I weighed it at home this morning and found it to weigh 26.4 lbs on a bathroom scale where I was balancing the bike on the rear wheel while attempting to minimize the effect of holding the bike up. I don't know if I'd consider this an exact comparison, as it was 2 different scales, and everybody knows that no two scales are alike .

    The bike is stock for the time being, with the exception of the Eggbeaters that I installed. For those of you that would care to take a look, I've posted the following link to the Specialized website. http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=12775 I went with the red.

    Time to Ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitenose
    Well, in my livingroom sits a brand new Specialized Epic Comp Disc (my wife's not home from Vegas yet). .
    The bike is stock for the time being, with the exception of the Eggbeaters that I installed. For those of you that would care to take a look, I've posted the following link to the Specialized website. http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=12775 I went with the red.

    Time to Ride!
    That is awsome, glad to hear your out riding now. One problem, manufactures web sit does not justify bike porn, when you get back you need to get a pic of your dirty girl & post it up.

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