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    New question here. Reynolds 953 steel xc race frame? stronger than ti. light as al.

    Where can I shop for a light and stiff Reynolds 953 steel xc race frame?
    Anyone here rides or races one?

    http://www.bikemag.com/news/newsarchive/110305_dain/

    http://www.desperadocycles.com/Reyno...cle_Tubing.htm

    http://www.strongframes.com/#area_1

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    from the Bike magazine article: "...The new 953, however, addresses both of those drawbacks. According to Peter Thompson from Carpenter Specialty Alloys (Reynolds’ material supplier), the new stainless alloy is twice as strong as titanium with a frame weight comparable to high-end aluminum, and won’t corrode...Those same qualities are what make carbon fiber such a standout. But carbon fiber isn’t a “tough” material---one good gouge could ruin a frame---where a steel frame can be ripped from a car by a low-overhang, buckle in two and still be easily rebuilt..."
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    That's the first I've seen of any claim of 2x stronger than Ti. From what I've gathered 953 is stronger than other nice steel tube sets, and thus can be made thinner and therefore lighter. The comparison to Ti I've seen is in regard to corrosion resistance, 953 is Stainless Steel-Like and resists rust. Short of a polished Stainless frame looking pretty slick, I'm not seeing the hype. From what I gather it's going to cost more than most reeeealy nice custom Ti frames, weigh about the same and be easier to dent. Hopefully I'm wrong though
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailNut
    Where can I shop for a light and stiff Reynolds 953 steel xc race frame?
    Anyone here rides or races one?

    http://www.bikemag.com/news/newsarchive/110305_dain/

    http://www.desperadocycles.com/Reyno...cle_Tubing.htm

    http://www.strongframes.com/#area_1

    add a pair of Mavic Crossmax UST SLR disk wheelset, Formula Oro Puros, titanium handle bar (flat) and titanium seatpost, XTR or X.O drive train...


    from the Bike magazine article: "...The new 953, however, addresses both of those drawbacks. According to Peter Thompson from Carpenter Specialty Alloys (Reynolds’ material supplier), the new stainless alloy is twice as strong as titanium with a frame weight comparable to high-end aluminum, and won’t corrode...Those same qualities are what make carbon fiber such a standout. But carbon fiber isn’t a “tough” material---one good gouge could ruin a frame---where a steel frame can be ripped from a car by a low-overhang, buckle in two and still be easily rebuilt..."

    I wonder where the design limits for deflection, buckling and denting are. Since all steels will deflect the same amount under a load, how much lighter can you make it by increasing the material strength without crossing the line and making it "too flexy" or too easy to dent or buckle?
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    ... and if we just ... 983 HT or Yeti AS-R SL?

    http://www.yeticycles.com/Bikes/BikesASR.cfm

    i'd like to have one "bling bling" xc race frame. I've narrowed my choices to a light and stiff 983 steel HT frame or a Yeti AS-R SL carbon-stay XC FS frame. i'd guess there're both at simialr costs.

    a 3.5# 983 steel HT frame that's stronger (and stiffer) than titanium sounds appealing. then again, so does a 4.5 XC FS from a reputable factory.
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