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    Forge Sawback 5xx 17" Silver

    Hello all, just wanted to drop a line and let everyknow know my new bike came in. This is the 2007 model and below I've uploaded some pics for you all to check it out. I'll be happy to answer any of your questions, just post them. I have lots of pics (at least 30) and I can take more of components or whatever. Now, on to the important stuff.

    The box with everything in it weighs 39lbs. The bike (wrapped up as it comes out of the box, but without seat and front brake assembly) weighs in at roughly 28lbs. The bike fully assembled weighs in at 31.5lbs (pretty light if you ask me). If you can't deal with that you're a weak ass, it already feels like I'm riding on an air bike... feels like I have nothing under me. Of course I'm used to good ol' steel bikes... ahh, those were the days. Anyway, the bike rides nice, but I haven't gotten to really ride it because it was dark out before it was fully together. This brings me to the difficulty of the build. Basically I couldn't find the directions in the box (no big deal, they are on the website), but I didn't use any directions and it wasn't too difficult. I will say that if you don't work on cars or are at least mechnaically inclined you may not want to attempt it. It's not difficult, but you can't do it in 30 minutes unless you rush it... or you've done it before at least once. I can probably do it quicker now since I know how to goes together and the first time I didn't have directions so I had to make sense of a few things... like flipping the handbar stem right-side up. It's upside down from the factory and while I thought at first that it was improperly installed I realized it was mounted like this in order to clear the box when the bike is packaged and placed in it. Anyway, here's the pics... enjoy.
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    More pics.
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    And some more...

    The first picture shows the upside down stem. MAKE SURE YOU FLIP THIS BEFORE YOU PUT THE HANDLEBAR ON!!! It's like this for shipping clerence in the box the bikes comes in.
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    You guessed it... more pics.
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    I like the color of the bike. I just wish they had that color in a size 19''.

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    that looks really awesome. well done...

    I still cannot believe the components on that bike for the money.....the frame looks good too...

    now we need some trail pics...
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    Thanks, I think the bike is really awesome. I'll probably be taking it to a LBS to get things adjusted a little and checked over just for kicks. Actually, I want to take it in and see what they think of it's build and quality. I can tell you I like it more then a Giant I was looking at a few weeks ago. BTW, anyone have any good ideas on where, if at all, I should ziptie the front brake cable to the fork? There's a guide looking thing on the inside of the fork top (the horseshoe looking portion) where it has tabs on each side. It looks like the cable can sit in that channel and then gets zipped to the fork. Only issue here is that the cable then rubs on the silver part of the fork tube... will that be an issue? I can take pics if that will make it easier. Let me know.

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    Thank You!! A preview to my order (It's been "Shipping Soon" for 2 days).

    I have a few questions about you and the feel of the bike. How tall are you, weight, and what’s the stand over height like? How much was your total? Mine was $335.26 (Items: $319.99, Shipping: $29.99, Promotion Applied: -$32.00, Tax: $17.28)

    Also a shot from the front, above the wheel looking slightly down would be nice.

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    Reccomend this?

    Would you guys reccomend this to someone looking to upgrade from a trek 820?

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    all the components are MUCH better. disc brakes, suspension fork actual brand name stuff rather than trek bontrager components. it would be a major upgrade.
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    The welds look super clean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jleecong
    Thank You!! A preview to my order (It's been "Shipping Soon" for 2 days).

    I have a few questions about you and the feel of the bike. How tall are you, weight, and what’s the stand over height like? How much was your total? Mine was $335.26 (Items: $319.99, Shipping: $29.99, Promotion Applied: -$32.00, Tax: $17.28)

    Also a shot from the front, above the wheel looking slightly down would be nice.
    I'm 5'10" (roughly) and 151lbs. Standover is pretty good. The bike is not big and after riding it a little last night it doesn't feel small. I'll know more today. There is definatly enough clerence for me if I was to take it off-road (should be a minimum of 4 inches). I picked the 17" because I sat on a 18" Giant at an LBS and it felt a little big. I didn't want to risk it with the 19". In the end really, the standover hight difference is less then 1 inch between the bikes... how different can they be. Of course you can't be sure unless you sit on both of them. Anyway, the 17" feels fine to me. As for price.... everyone pays the same price. Basically it would be no different then going in and buying the bike directly. The price you pay in shipping is offset by the promotion discount, but you still have to pay tax which sucks.

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    Oh yeah, anyone know what I need to be able to fill the tires up. From the looks of the valves on the tires a regular pump won't work. Is there an adapter or something? What's up with super special valves on there?

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    they're called "presta valves" I personally think they're 10X better than schreader valves {normal kind} go to your local bike shop, or even your local sporting goods store and look for these

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...+Adaptors.aspx
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    ^^^ Cool thanks. I ended up doing some searching and finding out about those adapters. Also found out that most pumps today have convertible heads for both Presta and Schreader valves. I might end up going that way since I need a new pump to have in the garage for emergencies. Besides, it's less then $20 for a Bell pump w/guage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by todd_freeride
    all the components are MUCH better. disc brakes, suspension fork actual brand name stuff rather than trek bontrager components. it would be a major upgrade.
    ?? Whats wrong with Bontrager components? I have some and its bombproof stuff.
    Every company has its good and bad. Even race face. Truvativ, all bad in my opinion..
    If anybody wants Truvativ cranks cheap, brandnew,, pm me

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    truvativ noir cranks look so cool though lol.

    the trek bontrager stuff i just low end stuff with bontager's name on it

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    Well, I went out and did some riding this afternoon on the road to test things out. Had to tighten up the front fork preload a little, but other then that it went well. Last night I had thought I had some rubbing of the chain on the front derailer on the middle gear, but it was false. Don't know what I was hearing, but all the gears work just fine... doesn't miss a shift or anything. So far I'm happy with the purchase. We'll see how things hold up. Only immediate negative........ my ass hurts a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSCCivic98
    Anyway, the bike rides nice, but I haven't gotten to really ride it because it was dark out before it was fully together.
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    Oh yeah, anyone know what I need to be able to fill the tires up.
    So the tires came inflated? I ask because I was kind of rushing to get an adapter before my bike came (It shipped last night) and assumed from what I read on shipping bikes the tires would be deflated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickerman1
    ?? Whats wrong with Bontrager components? I have some and its bombproof stuff.
    Every company has its good and bad. Even race face. Truvativ, all bad in my opinion..
    If anybody wants Truvativ cranks cheap, brandnew,, pm me
    bontrager have great stuff, it just doesnt come on the trek bikes unless you spend a lot of green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jleecong
    So the tires came inflated? I ask because I was kind of rushing to get an adapter before my bike came (It shipped last night) and assumed from what I read on shipping bikes the tires would be deflated.
    The tires came inflated, but not to the correct range. The range on the Kenda's are 40-65. The tires were at 20psi pressure shipped. Enough for me to test ride it on my driveway, but definatly not on the road. I inflated mine to 50psi once I got a pump today. I went by the bike shop today and picked up a nice floor pump with gauge and a tip that does both valves without an adapter. Either way, go by a shop and pickup an adapter for like $1.50. You're not going to want to ride it on 20psi pressure.

    A couple of points for you to know when you do the install yourself for the bike.

    1) Make sure you mount the front brake disc correctly (look at it because it has an arrow for rotation or you could just match the pattern to that of the back disc). Also, torque the bolts for it in a certain order... there's a sheet with the correct order in the little box that has all the paperwork in it.

    2) Make sure you flip the handlebar stem right-side up before you install the handbar.

    3) The front brake caliper comes with a fork adapter installed on the caliper itself, but the caliper is not mounted to the Dart fork. So, when you install the caliper you have to take off the adapter from the caliper. It's 2 bolts that comes off (look for the black bracket on it). Then install the caliper to the Dart fork. You don't use the adapter for the Dart forks.

    4) Pay close attention to the pedals... there is a "left" and "right" pedal. It will say R or L on the end of the threaded part that goes into the crank.

    That's about it I think. Good luck.... I know the wait is probably killing you. It did me.

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    Nice looking bike...
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    Where did you order it from? Target online?
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    Quote Originally Posted by todd_freeride
    Where did you order it from? Target online?
    Correct

    17" Frame
    19" Frame

    Don't forget to Google for a 10% off coupon.

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    I should get one.........:)

    How does it ride offroad? I am thinking about getting one.

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    Good job! Nice looking bike

    Very clean looking, welds look great, but I wouldn't expect less from something coming out of Gian'ts manufacturing facility. Thanks for the detailed report! Be sure to give us a comprehensive ride report, too.

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    JRS awesome photos!! Thanks. I've own my Sawback 5xx Matte Blue 19" for a year, awesome bikes, I agree. I rode all day yesterday, man it felt great!! Dude, your pictures are such a tease... I want one. I dig the changes this year . Keep us posted, I'm out of here. Going riding!!! Late.

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    Thanks everyone for the comments. I haven't taken it off road yet... it's so new and clean I didn't want to get it dirty I will be going off road here shortly with it though, it is a "mountain bike" after all isn't it. Anyway, I rode yesterday on the road and hopped a few curbs with it. Seems fine, no issues. I figure I'll break it in little by little testing things out rather then just going balls out the first day. One thing I have to say though.... the tires kinda suck. I don't know why they went to cheap Kendas this year... maybe it was to offset the cost of the Dart fork or something. Hey, does anyone still have the spec sheet from last year's models? I want to see what's changed... I'm pretty sure the tires were better last year. Were the rear casettes SRAM last year as well?

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    nice bike

    really for the $, very nice, the frame is a giant frame? is that correct, welds are nice and clean ...nice bike man

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    Yes it is

    Quote Originally Posted by txjohng
    really for the $, very nice, the frame is a giant frame? is that correct, welds are nice and clean ...nice bike man
    Soem research shows that the Forge line of bikes is identical to certain models Giant sells in one of the Pacific Rim countries.

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    Well, went riding some more today... somewhere between 5-10 miles I think. A little bit of it was some minor offroad and some jumps. All I can say is that the thing is holding up just fine. Did some highspeed road riding, all the high gears... the thing is pretty quick. On the minor jumps I did take (curbs and ditches) the fork is holding up fine. According to the grease rings on the fork it's not compressing more then 40mm (half-way), but that's with the preload turned up maybe midway (I have it set so that it only dips a little on hard breaking)... I didn't like the nosedives it took on the stock setting. The shifting (offroad and onroad) are on the fly. No drips and no errors. You hit the shifter and it shifts, it doesn't care if you're on smooth road or pounding the hardtail on the dirt, it just does it. Oh and the brakes... let's just say that I like disc brakes better then V's. If you like to lock up the rear offroad to help with quick turns, you'll like these. Overall and on the second day only I like the bike. There were a few times offroad that I wished it wasn't a hardtail, but that's just inexperience on my part. Everyone knows it's easier and more forgiving to have FS for that. However, I couldn't bring myself to go with the 7xx because I wanted the Deore drivetrain... that and I don't like the frame layout of the 7xx. Anyway, I'll report back once I go back out and do some more offroading.

    Oh yeah, something to add. There's some minor "harmonic viabration" through the frame on the road when going as faster speeds. Don't know if it's drivetrain related or something else. You guys know what I'm talking about... it's like a slight buzzing you feel and hear.
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    Tire noise, perhaps?

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSCCivic98
    Oh yeah, something to add. There's some minor "harmonic viabration" through the frame on the road when going as faster speeds. Don't know if it's drivetrain related or something else. You guys know what I'm talking about... it's like a slight buzzing you feel and hear.
    This could very well be the result of the knobby tires on the road. It will produce the sound you describe.

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    I know that when I ride my mtn bike on the road (and the road is flat and clean), going 15-20 mph there's a buzzing sound... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    I just got my 19" 5xx together last night.... so far so good! My nervousness over the size went away as soon as I sat on it..... I think its a great fit for me (5'9" 200lb). It didn't get to ride it more than up and down the driveway, hopefully more soon.

    I am hoping to take it to a LBS this week just to double check and fine tune it.

    I too wasn't sure where to route the front brake cable. Right now its running along the back side of the fork, but needs to be secured.

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    How is such a good bike available at Target?

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    Got me, works for me. I've had mine for over a year... Great bikes, I also bought the M Street for my wife. I really would like the new one this year, sweet look and components. Man what a tease!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepinmike
    I just got my 19" 5xx together last night.... so far so good! My nervousness over the size went away as soon as I sat on it..... I think its a great fit for me (5'9" 200lb). It didn't get to ride it more than up and down the driveway, hopefully more soon.

    I am hoping to take it to a LBS this week just to double check and fine tune it.

    I too wasn't sure where to route the front brake cable. Right now its running along the back side of the fork, but needs to be secured.
    Damn, 5'9" and you fit on the 19"? Humm, I'm 5'10" and think the 17" is a comfy fit. I guess it's probably because the standover difference is so small. Anyway, I ran my cable on the left side of the form and crossing over between the silver tube and top of the fork. If you look at the wheel overpass (dunno what you call it) of the for on the back of it you'll see 4 small dimples, kind of like guides of some kind. Anyway, the cable sits securely between them and I put a ziptie around it there. Holds it securely and it doesn't touch any of the moving fork parts. Let me know if you want me to take a pic to see what I'm talking about.

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    Can anyone else answer my question? Are the bikes you order from target.com assembled by target or does forge assemble them and they are drop shipped by target.com to your house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSCCivic98
    Damn, 5'9" and you fit on the 19"? Humm, I'm 5'10" and think the 17" is a comfy fit. I guess it's probably because the standover difference is so small. Anyway, I ran my cable on the left side of the form and crossing over between the silver tube and top of the fork. If you look at the wheel overpass (dunno what you call it) of the for on the back of it you'll see 4 small dimples, kind of like guides of some kind. Anyway, the cable sits securely between them and I put a ziptie around it there. Holds it securely and it doesn't touch any of the moving fork parts. Let me know if you want me to take a pic to see what I'm talking about.
    I went buy the website, and I was right on the cut off.... err'ed on the big size due to my being uncomfortable on a smaller (exact size unknown) bike.... I guess time will tell. Funny thing is the seat is pushed back on the rails too. Standover is comfy with ~3" clearance.

    I know where you are talking on the fork. I am going to take another look.

    I got it tuned today and took a few laps around the block, and it really felt good! I had some conversations with Mike from Forge and the LBS owner today...... Mike is very helpful and tentative to concerns, plus he is a rider himself. The LBS owner was ultimately impressed I think. He thought it was at least a $400 bike, and besides questioning the frame, he praised everything else.

    I am still trying to justify the purchase, but I do that.... unfortunitally only time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChapmanMTB27
    Can anyone else answer my question? Are the bikes you order from target.com assembled by target or does forge assemble them and they are drop shipped by target.com to your house?
    From my research Target doesn't touch the bikes. It's unknown if they are stored at Forge and drop shipped (not as likely) or Forge is using Target as the warehouse and advertiser (more likely). The bike is NOT available in stores.

    From my understanding Forge is trying to bridge the gap between you department store bike and lbs bike.

    New Forge Bikes up on Target.com
    Forge Sawback 5xx Silver is back in stock
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    The "From" address on my box is Target.com Returns Center in Massillion, OH. Definately coming from a Target warehouse somewhere and not shipped from Forge. More then likely the bikes go from the factory to Target where they get shipped to buyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRSCCivic98
    The "From" address on my box is Target.com Returns Center in Massillion, OH. Definately coming from a Target warehouse somewhere and not shipped from Forge. More then likely the bikes go from the factory to Target where they get shipped to buyers.
    Mine should be arriving today so I'll check it out. UPS shows it originating from SHARONVILLE, OH.

    I'll let you know about the dropout areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jleecong
    I'll let you know about the dropout areas.
    Cool. Yeah, I'm interested to know. I also want to know if your stem is one bolt or two bolt.

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    Mine was direct from Forge's Warehouse, I think they do both, probably depends on location or fulfillment. But from what I understand, Target doesn't touch the bikes. Mine was perfect when it was shipped to me. JRS any dirt pics yet?

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    The bike arrived a day early with my order from blueskycycling.com. In classic UPS fashion there was some damage to the box but not the worst I've seen from UPS.

    Overall the bike looked good. There were a couple of scratches on the frame and a couple on the components/parts. First issue was the bottom bolt for the handle bars. It was not smooth like the top and I had to use a LOT of force from about 1/3 of the way down to tighten it. Top bolt was nice and smooth.

    My next annoyance/issue was the front wheel, 2 things.. First were the springs on the quick release bolt. There had gotten wrapped around each other. This probably took more time than anything as in the end I had to get a small flathead and needle nose pliers to get them apart without destroying the springs. Next was UPSs fault. One of the nice gashed in the box happen to be right on the front wheel. This cause the plastic cover protecting the wheel to shear of leaving plastic in the quick release bolt hole. No problem in the end, but I was scratching my head for a second.

    I didn't get a chance to ride as my pump/converter didn't work, but I did get my CatEye micro wireless computer and water bottle cage installed.

    Pics of the bike and everything.
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    Thank you for the pictures jleecong! I am sorry if this has already been covered but can someone tell me everything they had to assemble? From jleecong's pictures it looks like almost everything was already on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jleecong
    My next annoyance/issue was the front wheel, 2 things.. First were the springs on the quick release bolt. There had gotten wrapped around each other. This probably took more time than anything as in the end I had to get a small flathead and needle nose pliers to get them apart without destroying the springs.
    if you take the springs off the skewer, they just slide apart. you over thought that one way to much....

    glad to see another happy owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepinmike
    I went buy the website, and I was right on the cut off.... err'ed on the big size due to my being uncomfortable on a smaller (exact size unknown) bike.... I guess time will tell. Funny thing is the seat is pushed back on the rails too. Standover is comfy with ~3" clearance.
    A short ride last night of mixed asphalt and pot-holed gravel road was really good. I was very comfotable on the bike, and didn't feel stretched out at all. I was at a very nice angle for both on-road and off. The bike took the pot-holes in stride, and was amazingly smooth on the pavement.

    So far so good.

    I would recommend Forges guidelines for height if you are 'average' proportions, and adjust accordingly if you are short legged and long torso'ed for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepinmike
    if you take the springs off the skewer, they just slide apart. you over thought that one way to much....

    glad to see another happy owner.
    That was the problem one was locked in the middle (locked to the skewer), It wouldn't move. I had to take a small flat head and needle nose to loosen it so it would slide down the skewer. Just a annoyance.

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    Another question, does anyone have Forge's email? I keep trying to call them with no answer.

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