"Cheap" Titanium Frames

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  • 12-18-2012
    CyclesnIPAs
    "Cheap" Titanium Frames
    Looking at titanium frames on Ebay. Found some "cheap" titanium frames for less than $1k namely ORA and J&L. Are these good frames? Is there such a thing as poor or low quality titanium? Is there a reason I would pay 2-3x the price for say a Moots or Lynskey frame over one of these?
  • 12-18-2012
    BShow
    If you could buy these from a local shop, with a warranty, then maybe it would be worth it. Personally, I would not gamble on one of these. You can get a full custom steel frame for not much more than $1k and it will serve you much better than a cookie cutter Ti frame of questionable origins.
  • 12-18-2012
    colker1
    3 reasons: design, tubing and craftmanship. I will let others elaborate.

    PS: if you want to play bike designer and feel you know all you need of bike geometry, then the chinese/ russian builders are a good choice.

    BTW... i call a thousand bucks for a bike frame a lot of money but a frame for life @ 2.500, a good investment.
  • 12-18-2012
    Canyon93108
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    3 reasons: design, tubing and craftmanship. I will let others elaborate.

    PS: if you want to play bike designer and feel you know all you need of bike geometry, then the chinese/ russian builders are a good choice.

    BTW... i call a thousand bucks for a bike frame a lot of money but a frame for life @ 2.500, a good investment.

    2,500 for a fame for life...good call.

    Save up for another year and get whatever bike you want. If you are leary of the 1k chineese Ti frames, that will not go away after you get one. You'll always wonder what that Moots or Lynsky of IF frame would feel like.
  • 12-18-2012
    CyclesnIPAs
    Understood. I was not claiming to be a so called bike designer nor geometry specialist because like most I am far from it. I am also not discounting the uber build quality of custom hand built domestic Ti frames either. However there being a thread on Chinese carbon frames as well as wheelsets, I was just curious if maybe there were some riders out there that have had experience whether positive or negative, with these "generic cookie cutter" Ti frames.
  • 12-18-2012
    turbogrover
    Maybe you could be asking those questions, or searching for info, in the other threads already started about cheap overseas ti frames.
  • 12-18-2012
    Bike Whisperer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CyclesnIPAs View Post
    Looking at titanium frames on Ebay. Found some "cheap" titanium frames for less than $1k namely ORA and J&L. Are these good frames? Is there such a thing as poor or low quality titanium? Is there a reason I would pay 2-3x the price for say a Moots or Lynskey frame over one of these?

    You can pick up a quality Ti frame from a reputable company for around $1200. They are made in China but are high quality.
    Ti 99'er (29'er)

    Moots are made by the hands of Gods...hence the price
  • 12-19-2012
    mountainbaker
    Or get a Triton from Russia, custom, amazing craftsmanship and cheap!
  • 12-19-2012
    Triton Bikes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gbs View Post
    Or get a Triton from Russia, custom, amazing craftsmanship and cheap!

    Well, actually they are more expensive now :)

    There is the reason why US made frames are more expensive.
    As mentioned before it is craftsmanship. Take MOOTS. We are their fans! Doing best to catch up and it will take months and years.

    Also, the cheaper Ti frames are made with straight gauge tubing. It is heavier but also stronger.
    More expensive frames usually have double butted tubes and just the price of a tubeset is so high that it affects the whole frame price a lot.
    Just one tube may be the price of 3 cheap complete bikes.