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    XT vs XTR in terms of durability

    How does Shimano XTR compare to XT in terms of durability?
    I head that XTR is not only lighter than the XT but it wears out much quicker than the XT !!
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    if u are not any pro racer, stick with XT. and when i say XT i mean full brake set (including resin pads, rotors, specific mineral oil etc...). U can find them all in a Shimano XT manual

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    Actually I'm buying a bike from bikesdirect... My concern is mainly for the durability.. xtr shimano bike vs xt bike, in addition I'm not a pro racer...
    plus or minus 2 pounds is not an issue as long as durability is more guaranteed.

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    I have always viewed XT as more durable than XTR.
    My under standing is XTR sacrifices durability to reduce weight but XTR is high end racing.

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    Generally speaking, they should be about the same durability wise, XTR uses more expensive materials and construction to get lighter weight at the same or greater strength. My experience having both (current versions) XT and XTR equipped bikes is that some xtr parts like the cranks are noticeably stiffer, and that the higher grade bushings in the derailleurs and shifters seem to last longer. Brakes wise, there isn't a ton of difference in braking quality or weight between XT and XTR in the new models, long term durability (for me) is still unknown.

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    Exercise some caution in buying from bikesdirect - give the spec a really close read. They're often very optimistic in the spec level they assign to their bikes.
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    I've owned plenty of both and you can't go wrong with either. XTR is not weaker. It's just as durable but lighter and more refined. Is it worth the extra money? That's up to you to decide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinS View Post
    Generally speaking, they should be about the same durability wise, XTR uses more expensive materials and construction to get lighter weight at the same or greater strength. My experience having both (current versions) XT and XTR equipped bikes is that some xtr parts like the cranks are noticeably stiffer, and that the higher grade bushings in the derailleurs and shifters seem to last longer. Brakes wise, there isn't a ton of difference in braking quality or weight between XT and XTR in the new models, long term durability (for me) is still unknown.
    There's your best advice. Both are roughly equivalent in durability but XTR has to jump through hoops to get it light and durable which is why it costs so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakkoush View Post
    How does Shimano XTR compare to XT in terms of durability?
    I head that XTR is not only lighter than the XT but it wears out much quicker than the XT !!
    Your comments are appreciated
    For what it's worth, XTR is covered under warranty for 3 years, while XT is only covered for 2 years.

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    I've heard that there's XTR Trail and XTR race. Race wears out very quickly, but is the lightest of all.
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    that's what I'm also aware of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakkoush View Post
    How does Shimano XTR compare to XT in terms of durability?
    I head that XTR is not only lighter than the XT but it wears out much quicker than the XT !!
    Your comments are appreciated
    XTR is the lightest stuff they make. However being light does not mean durable. If you are serious racer you need light weight stuff and can always have your team bike mechanic replace parts between the races. XT is my vote for the best balance between performance, weight, durability, and of course cost.

    Unless you really need XTR weight savings stick with XT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    I've heard that there's XTR Trail and XTR race. Race wears out very quickly, but is the lightest of all.
    I'd stop saying things "wear out" because it's simply not accurate. Nothing Shimano makes is disposable, well not at the top end of the spectrum. XTR trail stuff is made to be more durable and more functional on so called trail bikes while XTR "race" stuff carries on the tradition that XTR has been known for over the years. It is untrue to say that XTR anything wears out quickly unless you had some data to back it up.

    If anyone is truly worried about longevity then they should just go with XT and appease their skeptical soul.
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    In the case of bikes direct, it doesn't matter. The wear items people are generally referring to are cassette, chain and chain rings, which are wear items and are all more expensive than XT - and do wear faster than XT. The Bikesdirect bikes do not use XTR, cassette, chain or chain rings. The only thing you get XTR are the derailleurs and shifters, which are the same durability as XT.
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    And in the case of true full XT vs XTR comparison wheels and all, you're looking at $1k to save a pound. And double the cost to replace wear items.
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    Not related to the OP but thread related. I had an XTR rear derailleur on my cross bike for 9-10 years. One day it just stopped shifting. I'd say I got my money's worth out of it. None of my XT rear derailleurs have lasted more than five years. I would still say that's durable enough.

    You really can't go wrong with either.

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    This question was asked in the Beginner's Corner. Deore is plenty good enough for a "beginner Bike" SLX if you have a bigger wallet.

    A common theme seems to be SLX offers the best compromise of cost/weight/performance.

    Having a Full XT or XTR group set won't make you a better or faster rider (unless maybe you are an elite rider)
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    XT is a lot more bang for the buck. You can almost buy two XT components for one XTR component. I used to buy XTR and X0(sram) but now all I buy are XT and X9 as they are cheaper to replace, rebuild, etc.... with very similar performance.

    Keep in mind that its a mountain bike, and unless your a weight weenie racer, rich, or get amazing deals, the higher the range, the less cost to performance benefits you see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    I've heard that there's XTR Trail and XTR race. Race wears out very quickly, but is the lightest of all.
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    I'd stop saying things "wear out" because it's simply not accurate. Nothing Shimano makes is disposable, well not at the top end of the spectrum. XTR trail stuff is made to be more durable and more functional on so called trail bikes while XTR "race" stuff carries on the tradition that XTR has been known for over the years. It is untrue to say that XTR anything wears out quickly unless you had some data to back it up.

    If anyone is truly worried about longevity then they should just go with XT and appease their skeptical soul.

    Just to clarify regarding XTR Trail vs XTR Race:

    XTR Race isn't any less durable than XTR Trail, except maybe for the wheels. The weight difference comes from the cranks (double for Race, triple for Trail), and also a couple small features that are on XTR Trail, but left off of XTR Race to save weight. The brake levers on XTR Race are slightly smaller and they also lack the little lever adjustment knob that is found on XTR Trail levers. At the caliper end, XTR Trail pads have cooling fins, whereas the XTR Race calipers come with pads that don't have the cooling fins. Technically, the caliper is actually the same between XTR Race and XTR Trail. It's the pads that are different.

    If you're counting pedals, the Trail pedals have a platform, whereas the Race pedals don't.

    The derailleurs, shifters, and chains are all the same between the two groups, except I'm not sure if the front derailleurs are double or triple specific.

    Again, I wouldn't worry too much about longevity, considering Shimano offers a longer warranty on XTR than they do the other groups.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    XT is a lot more bang for the buck. You can almost buy two XT components for one XTR component. I used to buy XTR and X0(sram) but now all I buy are XT and X9 as they are cheaper to replace, rebuild, etc.... with very similar performance.

    Keep in mind that its a mountain bike, and unless your a weight weenie racer, rich, or get amazing deals, the higher the range, the less cost to performance benefits you see.
    This advice is spot on. I've spent loads of time on SLX, XT, and XTR and there isn't that much difference in performance. XT is by far the best bang for your buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    I'd stop saying things "wear out" because it's simply not accurate. Nothing Shimano makes is disposable, well not at the top end of the spectrum. XTR trail stuff is made to be more durable and more functional on so called trail bikes while XTR "race" stuff carries on the tradition that XTR has been known for over the years. It is untrue to say that XTR anything wears out quickly unless you had some data to back it up.

    If anyone is truly worried about longevity then they should just go with XT and appease their skeptical soul.
    ^^^this

    Durability is probably about the same. XTR performs better underload than its downline, you'd get better hill shifting than XT for sure. That said I don't know many XTR users who shift like that.

    Wearing out parts is such a non issue as I'm still trying to wear out the pully on my XTR 951

    XTR line are more for performance, ergonomic, weight, looks and obviously bling, but fast wear and durability is not the issue. If you crash and break a lever or derailleur it would be because of the crash not the component line.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch View Post
    Exercise some caution in buying from bikesdirect - give the spec a really close read. They're often very optimistic in the spec level they assign to their bikes.
    I can't stand when people make statements like this. The talk down about bikes direct for what spec level they call their bike but all one has to do is click on the bike and they give you a COMPLETE list of the parts on the bike. IT's not like they are trying to hide anything.

    As someone else noted, generally with bikes direct the description usually means the shifters and deraileurs that you are getting. you typically get a 3rd party crank and then a lower spec cassette and chain. Also Brakes may leave something to be desired, but lets be honest, at the prices they are selling them for, they are very solid bikes.

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    Here we go again. Mr. My opinion is the fact. Go troll some other site or stay in bd's forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    Here we go again. Mr. My opinion is the fact. Go troll some other site or stay in bd's forum.

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    What the **** is your problem? You are a punk. If you got a problem with my opinion, thats fine, but kindly present some kind of useful information to back yourself up instead of talking **** and stop taking this thread off topic. In this case, my opinon is a FACT. Bikes direct lists every part that goes onto their bikes. Nothing is being hidden. now go back to STFU.

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    I've had a few different bikes built up with some of the parts from the last 3 generations (960, 970, 985) of XTR. Also used quite a bit of the last 3 gens of XT. All parts functioned smoothly and lasted long.

    Either way, you won't be disappointed, it's all good.

    My current bike has a combo of XTR/XT and it's great, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    I've had a few different bikes built up with some of the parts from the last 3 generations (960, 970, 985) of XTR. Also used quite a bit of the last 3 gens of XT. All parts functioned smoothly and lasted long.

    Either way, you won't be disappointed, it's all good.

    My current bike has a combo of XTR/XT and it's great, too.
    Yeah, unlike other brands top shelf XTR usually are not much lighter than XT, slx, etc. If you are looking for significant weight save, you may not find it. A combo XTR/XT perform really well. I have a XTR 970 dual lever that I switch the caliper to XT, couldn't be happier.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    I can't stand when people make statements like this. The talk down about bikes direct for what spec level they call their bike but all one has to do is click on the bike and they give you a COMPLETE list of the parts on the bike. IT's not like they are trying to hide anything.

    As someone else noted, generally with bikes direct the description usually means the shifters and deraileurs that you are getting. you typically get a 3rd party crank and then a lower spec cassette and chain. Also Brakes may leave something to be desired, but lets be honest, at the prices they are selling them for, they are very solid bikes.
    Funny, you are saying the same thing Andrew said, yet you can't stand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    Funny, you are saying the same thing Andrew said, yet you can't stand it.
    um no, thats not remotely close to the same thing he said. but I already know your reading comprehension completely sucks. keep on trolling the beginner forum Sandusky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    um no, thats not remotely close to the same thing he said. But i already know your reading comprehension completely sucks. Keep on trolling the beginner forum sandusky.
    wtf is wrong with you? I read what you wrote and it's disgusting - you should be ashamed of yourself. Listen here, do you have any idea who you are writing to?

    You are so lucky this is the internet and the worst thing we can do is reverse look up your ip address and give it our friends who run the internet!

    They are watching everywhere you go on the internet. I already know where you've been in the past half-hour. You are disgusting. I can only imagine the type of person you are. Who looks at that filth? My friends who run the internet are already tracking down your mom to give her your internet browser logs!

    You and your bike make me sick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    wtf is wrong with you? I read what you wrote and it's disgusting - you should be ashamed of yourself. Listen here, do you have any idea who you are writing to?

    You are so lucky this is the internet and the worst thing we can do is reverse look up your ip address and give it our friends who run the internet!

    They are watching everywhere you go on the internet. I already know where you've been in the past half-hour. You are disgusting. I can only imagine the type of person you are. Who looks at that filth? My friends who run the internet are already tracking down your mom to give her your internet browser logs!

    You and your bike make me sick!
    lol, ummm okay. have another one

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    Don't play dumb. We're watching you. Expect a call from your mom within the hour.
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    whos the giver and who's the receiver in your relationship with mimi?

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    Hey, watch it you off brand bike riding troll.
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    This is what this genius think is a solution to pinch flat, go figure.
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    going tubeless is a $600 investment, putting proper amount of air in tires is free. this one is a no brainer
    what?? Get a clue.

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    Just to prove to you that my friends have taken control of your Internet, we found this picture of you and your friends in your iPhoto library:

    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead!

    wmac, is that 4 real?

    Better log off... no place is safe.
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    This thread has gone a bit sideways.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    As someone else noted, generally with bikes direct the description usually means the shifters and deraileurs that you are getting. you typically get a 3rd party crank and then a lower spec cassette and chain. Also Brakes may leave something to be desired, but lets be honest, at the prices they are selling them for, they are very solid bikes.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    On a bit of a tangent, I have a road bike I bought back in 2000. It was advertised as having 105 components. When I bought it, it had the shifters, derailleurs, crank, bottom bracket, brakes, hubs, I think even the cassette and chain. I don't think there was anything else offered in the 105 set at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    This is what this genius think is a solution to pinch flat, go figure.

    what?? Get a clue.
    stop polluting this guys threads with off topic posts. stop stalking me. Why don't you bring up the full context of that statement jackass. so I can prove myself right again.

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    Anyhows, I think the verdict is that XT for "bang for your buck" and XTR for more longevity and less weight.
    But for a beginner, either is too much.
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    To sum up, XTR is the best bang for your buck, XT is good for beginners, and X7 is a perfect balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sauprankul View Post
    I've heard that there's XTR Trail and XTR race. Race wears out very quickly, but is the lightest of all.
    Race does not wear any more quickly. It just has slightly different features - like servo-wave in the brake.

    In my experience XTR is more durable - bearings in shifters, better alloy on crankarms, better bushings in derailleur. But both are quite robust indeed.

    As far as functionality, I only would pick XTR shifters, and cranks for the sole reason of 172.5mm option and narrower stance. If going for XT, I would rather pick SLX for cassette, cranks, brakes, and probably the new Zee for rear derailleur, as it has a short cage option (did not try it yet, but what could be wrong). SLX front derailleur for the double/short cage option.

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    I think I own some of this confusion as a result of my Noob buyers guide. I re-read it and I see it can be interpreted as XTR race is less durable than trail and I was referring to the entire group to include wheels. I also made the statement that XTR wears out more quickly rhan other groups and is expensive to replace when I was referring to the chain rings, chain and cassette. I cannot edit it or make changes. I'm sorry.

    As for the OP, the fact of the matter is the question at hand is irrelevant because he is looking at a Bikesdirect bike and it doesn't have XT or XTR chain, chain rings or cassette or brakes for that matter.

    OP, it doesn't fvcking matter.
    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    it doesn't fvcking matter.
    Just get the best bike you can afford.

    And here's the best XTR bike I could find.
    Front Derailleur XTR
    Rear Derailleur XTR
    Shifters XTR
    Cassette/Freewheel XT
    Chain KMC
    It's pronounced "so pro and cool."
    It was an impulse decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    As for the OP, the fact of the matter is the question at hand is irrelevant because he is looking at a Bikesdirect bike and it doesn't have XT or XTR chain, chain rings or cassette or brakes for that matter.
    Yes, first thing on my bikesdirect bike that had to go had been horrible Avid Ultimate brakes. And I also sold carbon FSA crankset and replaced with XTR for less money I sold FSA for. This bike is now with Formula RX brakes, but 2012 XT brakes are the best brakes ever. KMC chain is good.

    Great deal anyway.

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    Wow this thread is worse than the 29er forums: Nazi salutes, slurs on maternal relationships... in the normally laid back beginners corner ...my god what is the world coming to.
    My two pennies worth...
    I ride 9 speed XT with 9 speed XTR shifters, I am a reasonably experienced XC rider \ tourer \ bikepacker \ amateur racer - it's more than good enough for me. Unless money is no object I would go with Deore, SLX or XT, you won't notice the difference until you develop your fitness and skills.
    I had an M970 XTR RD once and it lasted three rides before I kopped a trail snake and smashed the carbon cage- if it had been a Al cage XT or SLX cage RD it would still have been toast I think - but it damn near broke my heart to waste $200 or whatever it cost so I stick to XT these days.
    Don't know how your skills are, but as a beginner, if like me, you are very likely to crash and break stuff regardless of 'durability', worth bearing in mind before you drop $2k on a gruppo
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    Damn ive missed all the action, wheres cpfitness gone, come back cp.........
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    Well after reading this thread, some good points, some not so good. As far as XT or XTR purchase what you can afford. XTR will hold up fine, you will just save on cash and gain a tiny bit of weight for XT.

    Also cpfitness for your comments and comparing other helpful members to a convicted pedophile.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Damn ive missed all the action, wheres cpfitness gone, come back cp.........
    Damn it, living on the other side of the world

    I was getting excited reading the post too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    you will just save on cash and gain a tiny bit of weight for XT.
    I think SLX is where the value optimum is at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Well after reading this thread, some good points, some not so good. As far as XT or XTR purchase what you can afford. XTR will hold up fine, you will just save on cash and gain a tiny bit of weight for XT.

    Also cpfitness for your comments and comparing other helpful members to a convicted pedophile.....
    Forgot to sign it, so here.


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    Helpful member? Kindly show me how he was of any value to the op in this thread. He doesn't like the fact a "newb" with 100posts has made him look silly by disproving his erroneous statements so he has a vendetta against me. Oh no, what shall i do?

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    I've yet to wear something out that isn't supposed to wear out (e.g., chain) by pure use. Cleaning, maintenance and proper use means stuff will out last your interests in a bike.
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