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    Why go with wire bead tires?

    What is the purpose of wire bead tires? I bought a Kenda Navegal wire bead and it worked just as good as folding tire but was a pain in the butt to mount.

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    Why go with wire bead tires?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbl_91762 View Post
    What is the purpose of wire bead tires? I bought a Kenda Navegal wire bead and it worked just as good as folding tire but was a pain in the butt to mount.
    They are cheaper.

    Mostly, the bead type has little affect on ease of mounting.
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    Kevlar is lighter, doesn't stretch, and will still be round after folding. So they are easier to ship and store. Also, kevlar bead tires are generally higher quality these days. I tend to burn out rear tire so I found a cheap kenda steel bead tire that I like and is cheap to replace. My front tire is kevlar and more expensive, but I change the front every 2 or 3 times I change the back.

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    they are cheaper and heavier. cheaper being the bigger point as they can get more for folding beed tires since they are lighter. The lighter the weight and better the quality the more expensive
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    wire bead is 1/2 the price of a folding tire, not even that bad to mount if u use soapy water on the rim..they just pop in

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    Just pop in didn't work for me and no amount of soap helped when I installed a Navegale. It almost snapped my plastic tire tool so had to use two screwdrivers to get the last part in.

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    damn.. i installed a new front couple weeks ago, did even need tire irons, in/out by hand... maybe just a harder compound? its cool, changing tires is only once a year or so

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    They are cheaper.

    Mostly, the bead type has little affect on ease of mounting.
    That may be true today, if rims are more consistent from one mfg to another (probably the same factory in China), but there was a time when putting wire beaded tires on some rims were so bad they would break levers. I have some Mt Titan rims that I would never ever consider mounting a wire beaded tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbl_91762 View Post
    Just pop in didn't work for me and no amount of soap helped when I installed a Navegale. It almost snapped my plastic tire tool so had to use two screwdrivers to get the last part in.
    That is certainly due to your mounting technique...

    I can and have mounted many wire bead tires without tools...(and folding bead)..

    Probably not getting the beads properly into the center channel of the rim..

    Wire Beads are heavier, cheaper, and have lasted longer for me...

    Even if not made for tubeless they often inflate easier than tubeless or made for tubeless tires in a tubelesws set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    Kevlar is lighter, doesn't stretch,

    The modulus of elasticity for Kevlar threads is 16 x10^6 psi.

    The modulus of elasticity for steel is 29 x 10^6 psi...

    So steel stretches a little more than half of what Kevlar does.

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    I mean over time, not elasticity.

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    Why go with wire bead tires?

    Quote Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
    That may be true today, if rims are more consistent from one mfg to another (probably the same factory in China), but there was a time when putting wire beaded tires on some rims were so bad they would break levers. I have some Mt Titan rims that I would never ever consider mounting a wire beaded tire.

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    And I have had folding bead tires that "fit" the same way. There is still a wide range of ease of fit in rims and tires.
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    Why go with wire bead tires?

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    I mean over time, not elasticity.

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    No. Over time (after being mounted) a folding bead tire will generally fit looser than a wire bead tire.
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    I have plenty of flabby beaded steel bead tires laying around to say otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    And I have had folding bead tires that "fit" the same way. There is still a wide range of ease of fit in rims and tires.
    shiggy, you are the foremost authority on tires and rims. When I was able to pick up a nearly new set of old Mt Titans pretty cheap, it was your posts on wide tires and narrow rims that was invaluable, even down to using strapping tape. Thanks!

    John

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    Steel bead tires are cheaper with only a few exceptions. Usually the casing is cheaper and less supple and the rubber while maybe longer lasting is hard and as grippy as a hockey puck. In other words, steel bead tires are cheap and crappy.

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