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    Thinking about buying from Bikesdirect

    Anyone know if the gravity 29 point 2 would be a good first serious mtb? it's $549 and has deore derailers, avid bb5 brakes, a rockshox dart 3 fork, and alivio shifters, which are great components for the price, but I don't know if the frame is any good. I'm not sure who makes the frame, as gravity is a bikesdirect brand, hence the cheap price. I've heard rumors that they're made by kinesis, but I can't tell. They do have a resemblance to expensive walmart frames, but they use a different headset and the tubes seem to be different. Also, what size would be better, 19" or 21"? I'm 5'11" and growing.
    Thanks for the help, Nick

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    Get fitted at your local bike shop so you know what size frame you need . Then buy a bike while your there

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    One thing to keep in mind with the BD bikes and their low prices is that you are not getting the bike-shop build and post-sale service which shed ~$100-$200 off their prices compared to a bike shop. A shop bike with similar components should be around $750. Just email BD and ask about sizing; they seem to be able to tell most people what they will ride based on a few measurements. These bikes look pretty good and I am sure the frame is no better/worse in terms of quality than what you will buy for <$1000 at a shop. With the 29er, you don't want to buy big just to grow into it; the bike will be huge and hard to handle on the trails. At your height 19" seems about right.
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    You'll have to pay to adjusts the bike if you don't have the know how, and tools, its alway good stuff to know, tools pay for themselves in the long run, youtube, parktool.com, and a good book like Zinn & the art of Mountain Bike Maintenance.
    If this all sounds like too much, its a good time to buy a bike at the LBS with the 2012s coming in, demo bikes are a great deal with full warranties, tune ups, discount on shop purchases too. You will need tools, clothes, shoes, etc. the starter bike is about half the cost of riding. Sure you can buy most things online, but helmets, gloves, shoes, clothes are best tried on, so the discount on store purchases for a year is something to consider too.
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    You may want to look at jensonusa.com. Name brand bikes, good prices. They say the bike is "pro built" however I did need to take my Jamis (which i purchased from Jenson) to my LBS for some final adjustments. Bars needed to be torqued to spec, issue with rear derailleur out of alignment etc. Not too bad. Cost was $39.00. To me worth the savings buying online.

    I do support LBS> I bought my pump, gloves etc from them.

    Personally if you have an idea about frame size Jenson is a good deal especially on older models. My Jamis is an o9.

    Either way you go, have fun.

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    If you have a Trek dealer nearby, you can try out the Marlin as a fitment guide for the Gravity 29.2 since the geometry is nearly identical. The only difference between a Marlin and a 29.2 is 0.2 degrees difference in the head tube angle and the Marlin uses the G2 proprietary fork offset. These things may have a slight effect on handling but should make no difference at all in proper fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    If you have a Trek dealer nearby, you can try out the Marlin as a fitment guide for the Gravity 29.2 since the geometry is nearly identical. The only difference between a Marlin and a 29.2 is 0.2 degrees difference in the head tube angle and the Marlin uses the G2 proprietary fork offset. These things may have a slight effect on handling but should make no difference at all in proper fit.



    Yeah and when you go into the LBS to test fit bikes make sure you tll them that your going to buy one online, that your just there to get proper sizing, you have no intentions of buying a bike from them. And yes I neg repped you for that advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    If you have a Trek dealer nearby, you can try out the Marlin as a fitment guide for the Gravity 29.2 since the geometry is nearly identical. The only difference between a Marlin and a 29.2 is 0.2 degrees difference in the head tube angle and the Marlin uses the G2 proprietary fork offset. These things may have a slight effect on handling but should make no difference at all in proper fit.



    Why punk the LBS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    Yeah and when you go into the LBS to test fit bikes make sure you tll them that your going to buy one online, that your just there to get proper sizing, you have no intentions of buying a bike from them. And yes I neg repped you for that advice.
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    Why punk the LBS?
    Yes, and I am ghe first person in the history of MTBR to give this advice right? Hell no, I read this same advice multiple times a day, try out bikes at the LBS to determine proper fitment before buying online. Floyd, your neg rep is not surprising at all since it is abvious you hate BD and everyone who buys from them. Only thing I can't understand is why the heck you even bother to read a thread that cleerly states its about BD bikes. Id give you some rep back but your not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Yes, and I am ghe first person in the history of MTBR to give this advice right? Hell no, I read this same advice multiple times a day, try out bikes at the LBS to determine proper fitment before buying online. Floyd, your neg rep is not surprising at all since it is abvious you hate BD and everyone who buys from them. Only thing I can't understand is why the heck you even bother to read a thread that cleerly states its about BD bikes. Id give you some rep back but your not worth it.


    No I don't hate people that buy from BD, hate is such terrible thing. I do however do not like someone that would openly advocate "punking" the LBS, a practice that is so low and underhanded, but coming from you I should not be surprised. And please don't use the excuse that " I read this same advice multiple times a day ", that just attempts to diffuse responsibility for ones actions. You posted it, man up and own it.

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    Whatever Floyd, like I said, not worth my time. You decided you don't like me and will neg rep me every time you can so....................
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    OH noes! I got neg repped, I don't know how I will go on. Go ahead, be punks and punk the LBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    If you have a Trek dealer nearby, you can try out the Marlin as a fitment guide for the Gravity 29.2 since the geometry is nearly identical. The only difference between a Marlin and a 29.2 is 0.2 degrees difference in the head tube angle and the Marlin uses the G2 proprietary fork offset. These things may have a slight effect on handling but should make no difference at all in proper fit.


    IMHO, you would have to be a tool of the highest magnitude to pull some sleazy crap like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    If you have a Trek dealer nearby, you can try out the Marlin as a fitment guide for the Gravity 29.2 since the geometry is nearly identical. The only difference between a Marlin and a 29.2 is 0.2 degrees difference in the head tube angle and the Marlin uses the G2 proprietary fork offset. These things may have a slight effect on handling but should make no difference at all in proper fit.
    Spoken like a true noob. A 0.2 degree head tube angle combined with the G2 offset makes a HUGE difference in the handling of the bike. The reach would be similar but the Marlin would destroy the Gravity when you got them out on the trail.

    aedubber gave you the right advice. Go to a bike shop, then get a bike at a bike shop.
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    I got my first bike from bikes direct. Everything was already setup. Only things to assemble were the front wheel, bars, pedals and seat.

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    Ever wonder why so few people who've been riding for a while buy BD bikes when they decide they want a new bike or frame?

    I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    OH noes! I got neg repped, I don't know how I will go on. Go ahead, be punks and punk the LBS.
    Wasn't me, like I said, you're not worth it.
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    No good bd

    is it worth saving a few bucks to be a tool. find a good lbs in your area and support them with your buisness. i agree bd sux.

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    At the 500 dollar price range absolutely. You will not find a good bike at an LBS shop. If he wants a 29er he will end up with Atlus level components, a worse fork, and worse breaks.

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    Go to a LBS, tell them how much money you have and the bike you want to buy online and ask them if they can get you an equal or better deal. They'll show you some bikes and you can get an idea of what size bike you need and nobody will have to see Ashton Kutcher pop out of the woodwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch View Post
    Ever wonder why so few people who've been riding for a while buy BD bikes when they decide they want a new bike or frame?

    I don't.

    yes, i wonder. unless this was a rhetorical question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    Get fitted at your local bike shop so you know what size frame you need . Then buy a bike while your there
    Well said, especially the first answer. I'd rep ya but I just did not too long ago gotta wait so you are on my hit list

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    It was a rhetorical question, but I guess I don't mind answering.

    When someone buys a first bike, buying from a shop actually does add some value. Test-riding several different bikes is very important, starting with a bike that has everything tuned properly makes it much easier to learn to maintain the bike, and a ton of people end up paying their LBS quite a lot of money to set up their BD bikes. So the savings disappear.

    When someone buys a second bike, it tends to be more expensive. One of my teammates actually did go with BD for that - with a good reference bike, I think buying a bike from the geometry chart is not a bad strategy. But there are a lot of really beautiful frames floating around the 'net for not much money, so there's no reason to go with BD either. I already have a mental list of a few hardtail frames I'd love to upgrade to if I had some more money to throw around.

    If someone's buying a second bike in a different class from the first, he's really back to square one as far as ride feel. And, I don't know that I trust an internet discounter to sell me a FS frame that's actually competitive with the branded ones. As I ride more FS bikes, I realize more and more that finding the right one is something I'm going to need to do by riding them, and maybe even with timed laps.

    That said, I might buy a disposable bike from BD - like if I needed to replace my commuter and didn't want to deal with Craig's List to do it.

    EDIT: Also, take BD's MSRPs with a grain, or tablespoon, of salt. Nobody else sells them and if you take the time to compare builds with retail bikes, you'll find that usually a retail bike with that build would run significantly less than the MSRP BD comes up with. I do think they still cost less than the retail bike would. Just not by as much as they'd have you believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch View Post
    It was a rhetorical question, but I guess I don't mind answering.

    When someone buys a first bike, buying from a shop actually does add some value. Test-riding several different bikes is very important, starting with a bike that has everything tuned properly makes it much easier to learn to maintain the bike, and a ton of people end up paying their LBS quite a lot of money to set up their BD bikes. So the savings disappear.

    When someone buys a second bike, it tends to be more expensive. One of my teammates actually did go with BD for that - with a good reference bike, I think buying a bike from the geometry chart is not a bad strategy. But there are a lot of really beautiful frames floating around the 'net for not much money, so there's no reason to go with BD either. I already have a mental list of a few hardtail frames I'd love to upgrade to if I had some more money to throw around.

    If someone's buying a second bike in a different class from the first, he's really back to square one as far as ride feel. And, I don't know that I trust an internet discounter to sell me a FS frame that's actually competitive with the branded ones. As I ride more FS bikes, I realize more and more that finding the right one is something I'm going to need to do by riding them, and maybe even with timed laps.

    That said, I might buy a disposable bike from BD - like if I needed to replace my commuter and didn't want to deal with Craig's List to do it.

    EDIT: Also, take BD's MSRPs with a grain, or tablespoon, of salt. Nobody else sells them and if you take the time to compare builds with retail bikes, you'll find that usually a retail bike with that build would run significantly less than the MSRP BD comes up with. I do think they still cost less than the retail bike would. Just not by as much as they'd have you believe.

    That's spot on Andrew I don't have anything against the BD hardtails. It's not for newbies because the reasons you've mentioned. There's nothing wrong with buying from BD if you know what you want and what you get from the deal. It's not all it hype up to be, sure there's some fancy parts thrown in the mix to sweeten the package but read the fine print and spec sheet, it's not that great of the deal it's about a fair price at best.

    I too would not mind getting one like a SS 29er disc for $300 shipped and turn it into a SS crossbike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    Well said, especially the first answer. I'd rep ya but I just did not too long ago gotta wait so you are on my hit list
    Just trying to preach what I learned from this forums , for me it was a no brainer , lifetime free tune ups , onsite help and experience , face to face business , 10% off accessories purchased , and help support a local shop as they help us as well . I was in the same boat as you OP and I'm extremely happy with my local purchase , ya I might have low end things on the bike , but I can also upgrade anything I want and it's my first bike to learn as well . I'll hit u back with some rep Mimi

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    I think what you guys don't understand is that not all LBS are created equal. Aedubber is saying he gets free tune ups for life, and 10% off accessories. To me that's a good deal, because I live in a small apartment, and fiddling with anything on my bike causes a big mess. The shop I bought my bike from doesn't offer free tune ups, in fact I got one 30 day tune up which basically was "is it stopping? is it shifting? its good then". I'm glad I didn't buy a bike online for my first one, but I just bought another bike from Craig's list. Basically the same thing as buying online except I can give it a quick test ride.

    I'm not going to argue whether or not BD bikes are a good deal, or if their frames are good because I have never ridden one. I am just saying that a lot of the bike shops I have been to haven't been near as helpful as people are making bike shops out to be. I haven't had bad service (I ride somewhat regularly with a few guys from my LBS), just nothing that would persuade me to buy from them compared to online or second hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pecsokak View Post
    I think what you guys don't understand is that not all LBS are created equal. Aedubber is saying he gets free tune ups for life, and 10% off accessories. To me that's a good deal, because I live in a small apartment, and fiddling with anything on my bike causes a big mess. The shop I bought my bike from doesn't offer free tune ups, in fact I got one 30 day tune up which basically was "is it stopping? is it shifting? its good then". I'm glad I didn't buy a bike online for my first one, but I just bought another bike from Craig's list. Basically the same thing as buying online except I can give it a quick test ride.

    Yep, not all shop are equal, it takes some time find a good one(s) I'm pretty lucky I found 2 exceptional shop near me and the few around me are just as awesome. Check your local forum for the word-of-mouth comments people share, then check and see for yourself. Call around ask them if you buy a bike from them what perks are included.

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    I'm not so sure "punking" a lbs is such a bad thing, considering how many people they punk (newbies, well heeled, inexperienced, desperate, etc.) who are their bread and butter clients who keep them in business. I for one see no need to patronize my lbs' for any big ticket purchases, instead, use them for straight forward mechanical services. What's good for the goose is good enough for the gander is my moto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Wasn't me, like I said, you're not worth it.
    It was I,I posted neg rep for whiney advice. A true salesman at a LBS will have no problem taking someone who is looking at sizes of bikes and make a sale. If not they are not destined to last as a business.

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    To be fair, we do see number of posters here who were taken advantage of by their LBS too.

    I absolutely see the value of new riders being well taken care of and advised by a reputable, honest shop, but (sadly) it's not like they are all knights in shining armor. Best to take your time, have a knowledgeable friend go with you if possible, ride lots of different bikes, do some studying, and maybe even ask a few more questions here.

    I don't know why so many act as if BD is the devil. I don't see people that work at the supermarket get torqued because someone buys a bag of fruit from a roadside vendor. I don't ever hear of people getting grief for buying a television from Fry's and then calling a repairman from a local shop to fix it. If I buy a new car at one dealer and take it to another for service, I'll get screwed at either one . JFC, it's just a bicycle. Good businesses that do offer and give value will survive. BD are simply an alternative business model for selling bicycles. Truly the only way a bike shop compares in value is if they do give you competent advice and attentive service, and you are able to handle the merchandise before buying. For beginning riders, this can be worth the extra money if they get that. Problem is, that they don't always get those things.

    I don't see people getting attitude for getting a bike from CL and then taking it to a shop for a tune up. Expect to pay full price for services if you didn't buy from the shop. No harm, no foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    I'm not so sure "punking" a lbs is such a bad thing, considering how many people they punk (newbies, well heeled, inexperienced, desperate, etc.) who are their bread and butter clients who keep them in business. I for one see no need to patronize my lbs' for any big ticket purchases, instead, use them for straight forward mechanical services. What's good for the goose is good enough for the gander is my moto.
    I know im going to get some flack for this but I have to wholeheartidly agree.

    The 2 LBS's near me both detected my noobness as if I had it tatooed on my forehead and the proceeded to treat me with disdain and indifference all the time offering bikes that were either way out of my price range (as I described it to them) and/or not at all fitting for what I was looking to do (eventually race xc). Unfortunetely for them I had found this site and made some outside MB friends and had a basic knowledge of what and what wasnt plausible/fittable/feasible for me. So I knew they were mistreating me right away.

    Im sure many a new person gets bent over at the 2 LBS's in my area by getting sold a bike that is either way more expensive then what they needed, or does not fit the style of riding they actually want to do.

    Also, my son races Junior class and even before I started racing I asked some Sport class riders about Motobecone bikes as I had seen them pretty reasonably priced on BD and a few of the guys had raced with them. Everyone I talked to raved about the bike and told me to "go for it" when I was ready to drop a few grand for a new bike.

    Im looking at a Ti29er right now for next spring, $2099 from BD, and I wont think twice about it.

    Oh by the way, I still support my LBS. I bought $300 in race day gear from them. I also get all my repairs done by them.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
    lifetime free tune ups , onsite help and experience , face to face business , 10% off accessories purchased , and help support a local shop as they help us as well .
    I wish, had to pay 80 bucks for 5 years of tune ups (not bad, considering that it cost 60 bucks for one). Face to face, sure helped, had to go today, heard a few noises and he hopped on my bike, found them, and said he would take care of it. 10% off accessories was more for when I bought the bike, since it was a little over budget and he said he could not go any lower (was already 110 bucks off), so he threw in 10% off accessories to help me buy a helmet. I have found a great LBS, and know of another one if I am ever in a pinch. Best part is they are not too far from me, or each other....lol

    Ordered new pedals (ebay), and he told me that when I bring the bike back in next week for a complete tune up to take care of everything I was concerned with he will put them on for me, free of charge. Looked at a cpu while I was there and he said eh you just bought the bike, I will give you a good discount on it and put it on for you when you bring it in. If you want it.

    OP I am all about saving some cash, but after my experience with my local LBS, I am a little biased on this one.
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    For a bike under a grand, be realistic; the "fitting" you are getting at most shops involves the person working there to size you up visually, say "I think a 19" will work", you sit on it, and then take it for a test ride. At most, you try the next size up or down based on your impressions, but listening to many on this site you would think you are getting a size-cycle fitting for a mountain bike that costs $500. You will get a good fit by just emailing with BD with the measurements they want; worst case you have to spend another $60 to ship it back for a different size. A lot of size fine tuning is seatpost/stem height/seat fore/aft that can easily be done by the purchaser with allen wrenches. Most newbies are not going to really care much as long as the basic fit is okay (i.e. your nuts aren't on the top tube and you knees don't hit the handlebar when you pedal). Honestly, I don't care for people walking in a shop, spending time with an employee, test riding bikes, then leaving and buying it online. However, this is what most of us do when buying cars or the like. I say if you are going online just deal with them and leave the shop out of it. And finally, please understand that the bike you get from BD shows up from the factory and is not ready to ride by putting the front wheel on and the stem/bar; it is just like any other shop brand like Trek etc. and needs to be assembled correctly. This can include but is not limited to basic brake/derailer adjustments, greasing bolt threads, straightening drop outs, turing wheels, adjusting hub bearings, etc. This service at a shop can run from $50-70 depending on what it needs so factor that in. Your new bike is only as good as the person who built it up!
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    I for one see no problem with Bikesdirect. Everything is a compromise. Buying at bikesdirect saves you some money in the short term, gives you better parts as well. But when you break something which will inevitably happen that cant be repaired its harder to get it fixed as it is with all over the internet companies. You will be spending the same if not more money than a LBS fixing it getting it tuned etc. over the course of the bike's life. You buy at a LBS and you get more often than not personal service, free tuneups, and easier warranty service (which was the main reason I decided against BD). You will inevitably come out the same either way so its up to you to decide if you want to look at the short term or the long term down the road. Plus if you are good at looking around your LBS have so really good deals that are on par with BD, and if you get those deals you will be out ahead of buying on BD.

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    Your best deal in the long run will be the good 'ol brick 'n mortar LBS!!!!
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    I for one see no problem with Bikesdirect. Everything is a compromise. Buying at bikesdirect saves you some money in the short term, gives you better parts as well. But when you break something which will inevitably happen that cant be repaired its harder to get it fixed as it is with all over the internet companies. You will be spending the same if not more money than a LBS fixing it getting it tuned etc. over the course of the bike's life. You buy at a LBS and you get more often than not personal service, free tuneups, and easier warranty service (which was the main reason I decided against BD). You will inevitably come out the same either way so its up to you to decide if you want to look at the short term or the long term down the road. Plus if you are good at looking around your LBS have so really good deals that are on par with BD, and if you get those deals you will be out ahead of buying on BD.
    Every LBS bike shop around here only offers 1 year. That being said one year service quickly becomes 2 or 3 tune ups and the advantages disappear. Additionally, I do see some good deals but they only exist at the very end of the year and early January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austanian View Post
    Every LBS bike shop around here only offers 1 year. That being said one year service quickly becomes 2 or 3 tune ups and the advantages disappear. Additionally, I do see some good deals but they only exist at the very end of the year and early January.
    Most bike shops around here is lifetime tune ups.
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    Look around the community, where I live there is a community cycling place and they can help you out with fixing your bike. If you have something like that buying from BD isn't that bad at all. Also they have workshops and stuff like that where a pro teaches you how to fix your bike up, for free I think. Then you can size the bike up yourself/adjust and assemble everything.

    On a budget you can figure out how to fix up your bike from a place like that, which is the primary advantage I think you get from a brick and mortar. I don't know much about bikes, but I think something like that could help out. If you gain more knowledge about a bike you can also help yourself fit the bike and stuff.

    Obviously time is money, but if your in college and you want to learn how to bike, and you don't have as much cash I think its a solid thing to do and while a $700 bike will last you years, knowledge lasts forever and you can keep it forever/fix your bike yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    Spoken like a true noob. A 0.2 degree head tube angle combined with the G2 offset makes a HUGE difference in the handling of the bike. The reach would be similar but the Marlin would destroy the Gravity when you got them out on the trail.

    aedubber gave you the right advice. Go to a bike shop, then get a bike at a bike shop.
    Zebrahum, I did not neg rep you or anyone else in this thread! I havent repped anyone, pos or neg, in a long time cause I realize the rep thing is a load of retaliatory crap. You wanna "ass"ume it was me that neg repped you, call me cowardly (in your bogus neg rep) then that's fine, as I said I don't care one way or the other about rep.

    Have a nice day, unlike others in this thread you do add something positive to the forum so I can be a big boy and deal with your pissy attitude.
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    Zebrahum, I did not neg rep you or anyone else in this thread! I havent repped anyone, pos or neg, in a long time cause I realize the rep thing is a load of retaliatory crap. You wanna "ass"ume it was me that neg repped you, call me cowardly (in your bogus neg rep) then that's fine, as I said I don't care one way or the other about rep.

    Have a nice day, unlike others in this thread you do add something positive to the forum so I can be a big boy and deal with your pissy attitude.
    Then someone phrased it as if they were you. I'll fix it later even though I'm sure you don't care. Cheers.
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    I own a bike from bikesdirect - Fly titanium, it is a great frame that serves me well, but I would not recommend mail order bikes to beginners. They end up paying more.

    You are ready to buy online when you know what you need and can service it yourself for all the minor stuff.

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    Then someone phrased it as if they were you. I'll fix it later even though I'm sure you don't care. Cheers.
    Now there would be a surprise. In an anonymous system that let's people say whatever they want someone might neg rep someone and make it look like someone else did it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Now there would be a surprise. In an anonymous system that let's people say whatever they want someone might neg rep someone and make it look like someone else did it?




    Pretty sure I neg repped you for your usual uniformed postings about Fisher geo and the punks at BD that try to rip it off. Quit whining about it, when you post crap you should expect to get it back.

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    No, it was me. Probably. If it was, I did it for advocating punking the LBS as well as your general ignorance of things related to MTBing. If I didn't do it, I'm sure that I'll get around to it.

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    Pretty sure I neg repped you for your usual uniformed postings about Fisher geo and the punks at BD that try to rip it off. Quit whining about it, when you post crap you should expect to get it back.
    Floyd, you did neg rep me and I have moved on. Thing is, somebody else neg repped Zebrahaum, apparently made it look like me, so he neg repped me and called me cowardly for not debating in the thread. I did not neg rep him, or anyone else, and would NEVER debate him on bike handling because he wins, hands down, every time.

    Honest serious question to anybody who cares, does the 0.2 degree head tube angle difference combined with a standard offset fork in some way mimic the G2 fork offset?
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    No, it was me. Probably. If it was, I did it for advocating punking the LBS as well as your general ignorance of things related to MTBing. If I didn't do it, I'm sure that I'll get around to it.
    Guys, several people neg repped me and I really dont care. But somebody neg repped Zebrahaum and made it look like me. I didn't neg rep him, end of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post

    Honest serious question to anybody who cares, does the 0.2 degree head tube angle difference combined with a standard offset fork in some way mimic the G2 fork offset?


    I'll chime in on this, the only reason BD does not have the same fork offset is because of the patents. Mike posted that they copied the geo of the Fisher, which IMO is doooshbaggery of the highest order. So keep waving the flag, but IMHO your making yourself look like a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    I'll chime in on this, the only reason BD does not have the same fork offset is because of the patents. Mike posted that they copied the geo of the Fisher, which IMO is doooshbaggery of the highest order. So keep waving the flag, but IMHO your making yourself look like a fool.
    Yes, I too read Mike's admission of copying the geo. And i do understand the patent issue. I am not trying to wave the flag for anybody. Just want to know more about how the G2 offset really differs and if the reason BD changed the head tube angle was to try to attempt to mimic the G2 without the fork that they can't use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    If you have a Trek dealer nearby, you can try out the Marlin as a fitment guide for the Gravity 29.2 since the geometry is nearly identical. The only difference between a Marlin and a 29.2 is 0.2 degrees difference in the head tube angle and the Marlin uses the G2 proprietary fork offset. These things may have a slight effect on handling but should make no difference at all in proper fit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Yes, I too read Mike's admission of copying the geo. And i do understand the patent issue. I am not trying to wave the flag for anybody. Just want to know more about how the G2 offset really differs and if the reason BD changed the head tube angle was to try to attempt to mimic the G2 without the fork that they can't use?



    Respectfully, you post about the "slight effect on handling" and then in another post question the effects of G2 just shows what others are trying to point out, that you do not understand the geo and its effects and that you should refrain from posting more misinformation about it no matter how well intended.

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    You probably won't go wrong with your BD choice, and if you do, you will probably be looking at different bikes in the next year anyhow. Within a year of riding you will meet people , have conections and do better with your next purchase. The style of bike you want may even change once you start riding on your local area. I visited 5 local shops , hated them all, once i started riding the bike i bought from JensonUSA i started to learn what shops to go to in my area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Yes, I too read Mike's admission of copying the geo. And i do understand the patent issue. I am not trying to wave the flag for anybody. Just want to know more about how the G2 offset really differs and if the reason BD changed the head tube angle was to try to attempt to mimic the G2 without the fork that they can't use?


    My suggestion is learn about it before posting your advice on it. This is exactly why noobs should not give advice to noobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Respectfully, you post about the "slight effect on handling" and then in another post question the effects of G2 just shows what others are trying to point out, that you do not understand the geo and its effects and that you should refrain from posting more misinformation about it no matter how well intended.
    Dude, I habe never questioned the effects of the G2 geo. And I am not commenting on it now, I am asking serious questions about it. I have only intensded to comment on fit, not handling. Yes I may have spoken when I shouldn't once oe twice but now I am asking a serious question and hoping for answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrasmak View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Dude, I habe never questioned the effects of the G2 geo. And I am not commenting on it now, I am asking serious questions about it. I have only intensded to comment on fit, not handling. Yes I may have spoken when I shouldn't once oe twice but now I am asking a serious question and hoping for answers.
    It's a different setup on a 29'er, I felt like it sped up the slow speed handling which is my normal complaint on a 29'er. It makes the slow speed more responsive but doesn't ruin the handling when you get the bike moving. But I only spent a couple hours with one, they're a nice addition to the wide world of 29'er geometries. Personally I'd happily pick one up if I were shopping for a 29'er but I'm not (of course, if you offered me a Sawyer I would probably jump on it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Dude, I habe never questioned the effects of the G2 geo. And I am not commenting on it now, I am asking serious questions about it. I have only intensded to comment on fit, not handling. Yes I may have spoken when I shouldn't once oe twice but now I am asking a serious question and hoping for answers.
    Fit? It's only slight the cockpit is just a bit shorter very similar to the genesis geometry but with the increased in fork offset make the handling improvement very noticeable. Quick on slower speed and stable on high speed descend.

    You don't feel it just by sitting on the bike but on the handling

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    Every sport has elitist pricks. There is a bike store up in Michigan that I go to when I absolutely need a part or a tube who have always treated me with the uttermost contempt both when I was a brand-new mountain biker and now when I have seven mountain bikes that are worth more than my car (I have my priorities right). Dealing with them is like pulling teeth. I wanted to buy a pair of shoes there but the advice and condescension from the staff was unbearable; I know what I want and like by this point and don't really need advice.

    So while I support the idea of patronizing your local bike store, if all I had was that store I'd buy everything online and learn how to do my own repairs. Fortunately my LBS is a great outfit and I'm happy to deal with them.

    It's just a recreational activity.

    My LBS spends a considerable amount of time fitting the bike when I buy one. Do I need the help? Not really, but they are interested in bikes and they act like they enjoy customers in their shop even if they're not dropping $4000 on a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Zebrahum, I did not neg rep you or anyone else in this thread! I havent repped anyone, pos or neg, in a long time cause I realize the rep thing is a load of retaliatory crap. You wanna "ass"ume it was me that neg repped you, call me cowardly (in your bogus neg rep) then that's fine, as I said I don't care one way or the other about rep.

    Have a nice day, unlike others in this thread you do add something positive to the forum so I can be a big boy and deal with your pissy attitude.
    i can tell you that this dope did neg rep me a couple weeks ago when i called him out for more of his factually incorrect posts when he was dictating to some other noob...

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    Quote Originally Posted by markaitch View Post
    i can tell you that this dope did neg rep me a couple weeks ago when i called him out for more of his factually incorrect posts when he was dictating to some other noob...
    Yes I did neg rep you, and you were the last I repped (til I positive repped Zeb tonight). I am tired of the rep thing, you neg rep me, I neg rep you back, its all retaliatory crap.
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    No good

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    dinged me with a neg rep with the commentary, "you are well umm a ..." keep it up dummy.

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    dinged me with a neg rep with the commentary, "you are well umm a ..." keep it up dummy.
    Dude, whatever, I did not rep you or anyone else who posted in this thread, but think what you want.
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    Enough of the neg rep crap. Discuss this in PM to each other. Back to the original question about BD. As I stated I did tons of research and wound up buying from Jenson. For me the BD site was too confusing the way bikes were represented. im not saying BD is a bad place to buy. Jenson worked for me since I got an 09 model at a fair price with excellent components.

    As far as "punking" the LBS: Doesnt this happen every day at car dealerships etc??

    I dont see a problem trying a frame in an LBS and buying elsewhere. Unless of course you assure the LBS you will be buying from them. In my mind it is perfectly fine to let LBS know " I'm just looking. Not sure what i will be buying. Is it OK if I try a couple of bikes?"

    Its up to the LBSto decide if you can try a bike "on for size"

    I dont see this as punking. After I bought from Jenson I went to a local LBS and have bought everything from them: gloves,pump,shock pump,CO2 inflator etc.

    So I do support LBS. What is wrong with trying to get the best deal possible? Especially in these trying economic times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    Yes I did neg rep you, and you were the last I repped (til I positive repped Zeb tonight). I am tired of the rep thing, you neg rep me, I neg rep you back, its all retaliatory crap.
    you wrongly phrase it as though you were the one who was hit & then retaliated...
    when in fact it is you that was preemptively popping anybody who had the nerve to offend you by pointing out your wrong info & bad advice
    you earned every bit of neg rep you got & deserve more...
    have a nice day

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    WTF, looks like the POSITIVE rep I tried to give one person went to everyone who has posted on this page? Must be a "smart" phone glitck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    WTF, looks like the POSITIVE rep I tried to give one person went to everyone who has posted on this page? Must be a "smart" phone glitck.


    No, it did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    WTF, looks like the POSITIVE rep I tried to give one person went to everyone who has posted on this page? Must be a "smart" phone glitck.




    Nope, none here.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Test Dumby View Post
    WTF, looks like the POSITIVE rep I tried to give one person went to everyone who has posted on this page? Must be a "smart" phone glitck.
    + rep your way for honesty; being a dummy has its advantages.

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    Alls I know is I repped one person, then when I tried to rep somebody else the same thing I had just commented showed up and it said something about "spreading it around before repping ***** again". So I tried somebody else to see what happened and it said the same thing, so I assumed it did everybody. Maybe just two or three? Oh well, had intended to rep Trauma and Drjay, if anybody esle got it too then at least its the good kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjay9051 View Post
    So I do support LBS. What is wrong with trying to get the best deal possible? Especially in these trying economic times?
    I have no complaints with Jenson, I've ordered from them in the past and they have good CS. My point in arguing for shopping at an LBS has always been when someone is new to the sport they don't understand what they are buying and therefore could certainly use the assistance of a shop. Not every person who's 6' tall will fit every L frame, but that's not covered in an online fit chart, not every bike fits the same and unless you can read a geometry chart and understand what that means then you probably should stick with something you can test ride to make sure it feels ok, and while bicycles are not the most complicated machine in the world having the backing of a shop through the setup and break-in period can be crucial to keeping someone starting out on a bike from getting frustrated with their purchase and giving up.

    I do not think it is unreasonable to suggest that people buy something they can actually try before they buy and I do not think it is unreasonable to suggest that people purchase a bike that has been assembled and test rode and verified to work before they get it. Yes saving money is a good thing but sometimes it's more about value than sheer price point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    I have no complaints with Jenson, I've ordered from them in the past and they have good CS. My point in arguing for shopping at an LBS has always been when someone is new to the sport they don't understand what they are buying and therefore could certainly use the assistance of a shop. Not every person who's 6' tall will fit every L frame, but that's not covered in an online fit chart, not every bike fits the same and unless you can read a geometry chart and understand what that means then you probably should stick with something you can test ride to make sure it feels ok, and while bicycles are not the most complicated machine in the world having the backing of a shop through the setup and break-in period can be crucial to keeping someone starting out on a bike from getting frustrated with their purchase and giving up.

    I do not think it is unreasonable to suggest that people buy something they can actually try before they buy and I do not think it is unreasonable to suggest that people purchase a bike that has been assembled and test rode and verified to work before they get it. Yes saving money is a good thing but sometimes it's more about value than sheer price point.
    Good points. I was willing to "take a chance" and am happy with fit. Others may prefer to have fit done at LBS. Another option is try a bike in LBS and get similar geometry from online. I whole heartedly agree that support of LBS is important hence I purchased and will continue to purchase accessories and shop work from them. When it came to the bike I just could not resist the deal on Jenson.

    BTW Sparkle Motion??

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    This thread is great...Thank you for giving me somthing to read and laugh about while at work....
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    Quote Originally Posted by drjay9051 View Post
    BTW Sparkle Motion??
    I couldn't possibly explain it if you can't seen the movie but here's where it comes from:
    http://youtu.be/ouFnQTq6gNQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    I couldn't possibly explain it if you can't seen the movie but here's where it comes from:
    http://youtu.be/ouFnQTq6gNQ

    Got it. I just don't know about Rose. The other woman was really upset. Sparkle Motion must be mighty important.

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    Zebruham:

    Just compared prices from my LBS to Jenson. Current models really no difference. I do see the value of buying LBS!!

    Previous models not available at LBS I think on line is an option as long as buyer beware re: proper frame size.

    Interestingly I was under the mistaken impression that LBS was way more expensive. Apparently not so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjay9051 View Post
    Zebruham:

    Just compared prices from my LBS to Jenson. Current models really no difference. I do see the value of buying LBS!!

    Previous models not available at LBS I think on line is an option as long as buyer beware re: proper frame size.

    Interestingly I was under the mistaken impression that LBS was way more expensive. Apparently not so!

    Never too old to learn, or bike for that matter.

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    Jenson is more like a LBS with a web presence. They sell the same brands as LBSs do which means for the current model year offerings they are required to sell them in a specified range of prices. You get some pretty good deals on the leftover stuff because they are no longer held to the manufacturer pricing.
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    Try Price Point or Blue Sky; you'll notice a world of difference in their prices vs the LBS.

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    Jenson isn't like an LBS. They are an LBS. They obviously do internet sales too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    My suggestion is learn about it before posting your advice on it. This is exactly why noobs should not give advice to noobs.
    Let's see, you've been here less then a year, so a noob yourself.

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    as a bicycle shop sales/mechanic employee, i don't mind fitting someone for a bike they are going to buy online. i understand that bikes are expensive and people gotta save money. I will take 20-30 min to discuss what they are looking for and what will most likely fit them and suit their needs. then I will tell them honestly what we offer over an online shop (free adjustments for life, pre-paid lifetime flat repairs, support of local cycling scene, yearly rewards in the form of store credit, etc) and how they will lose all that in an online shop. if i'm lucky, they will appreciate the service and honesty and purchase the bike from me instead. at the least, they will return with their BD bike for assembly and accessories. i think that, when all that is taken into consideration, my shop is very competitive with BD and online shops, it's just not a comparison that you can make by directly comparing price tags.

    I don't think I condescend to noobs, but it seems that people interpret things as condescension sometimes. this past week, a man called me to ask about buying a mtb. he's 6'4", 240 pounds and wants a 29er HT. his budget for the bike is $500 and he wants to ride the local trails on it, which are full of tall roots and rocks, a few drops and obstacles. no bike in that price range is going to hold up for him, so i was totally honest with him that he needs to expand his budget or pay more later when his $500 bike's single-wall rimmed wheels and Suntour fork die on him. he seemed to take it alright, but only after a lot of gentle, honest convincing from me. people seem to feel entitled to everything being cheap, strong, and light, but that's not the case. unfortunately, they are also used to salesmen lying to them to get them to buy more stuff than they need. i don't do that and I don't think anyone else at my shop does that, but I have visited shops that do and it really hurts my business. so search for honest, knowledgeable bike store employees and learn to tell the hucksters from the honest ones.

    you get a real deal from honest bike shops that will do fitting, assembly, and minor tune-ups for free. that stuff is built into the cost of the bike, but it's still a better deal in the long run. it seems to me that the reason why bike shops charge as much as they do for service is partially to make up for the razor-thin margins they gain selling bikes and accessories.

    on the other hand, large chain shops don't need to make a lot from service because they sell huge volume. i worked for one of these large, national chains for a little while (they shall remain nameless, but you know who I am talking about) and they kept a bare minimum of mechanics on staff because the company really doesn't care about maintaining bikes, just shoving them out the door. as of April, the workload was so deep that we mechanics would check in a bike for something basic like a tune-up and promise to have the bike back in TWO WEEKS. for comparison, the local shop where I work has a 24-48 hour turnaround on anything that does not require a special order of parts. the service department was open from 8 am to 9 pm and it still took that long to get a bike finished. the company just refused to hire more mechanics and buy us the right tools (we were always missing something like adapters to true 29er wheels and such) so it took forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    as a bicycle shop sales/mechanic employee, i don't mind fitting someone for a bike they are going to buy online. i understand that bikes are expensive and people gotta save money. I will take 20-30 min to discuss what they are looking for and what will most likely fit them and suit their needs. then I will tell them honestly what we offer over an online shop (free adjustments for life, pre-paid lifetime flat repairs, support of local cycling scene, yearly rewards in the form of store credit, etc) and how they will lose all that in an online shop. if i'm lucky, they will appreciate the service and honesty and purchase the bike from me instead. at the least, they will return with their BD bike for assembly and accessories. i think that, when all that is taken into consideration, my shop is very competitive with BD and online shops, it's just not a comparison that you can make by directly comparing price tags.

    I don't think I condescend to noobs, but it seems that people interpret things as condescension sometimes. this past week, a man called me to ask about buying a mtb. he's 6'4", 240 pounds and wants a 29er HT. his budget for the bike is $500 and he wants to ride the local trails on it, which are full of tall roots and rocks, a few drops and obstacles. no bike in that price range is going to hold up for him, so i was totally honest with him that he needs to expand his budget or pay more later when his $500 bike's single-wall rimmed wheels and Suntour fork die on him. he seemed to take it alright, but only after a lot of gentle, honest convincing from me. people seem to feel entitled to everything being cheap, strong, and light, but that's not the case. unfortunately, they are also used to salesmen lying to them to get them to buy more stuff than they need. i don't do that and I don't think anyone else at my shop does that, but I have visited shops that do and it really hurts my business. so search for honest, knowledgeable bike store employees and learn to tell the hucksters from the honest ones.

    you get a real deal from honest bike shops that will do fitting, assembly, and minor tune-ups for free. that stuff is built into the cost of the bike, but it's still a better deal in the long run. it seems to me that the reason why bike shops charge as much as they do for service is partially to make up for the razor-thin margins they gain selling bikes and accessories.

    on the other hand, large chain shops don't need to make a lot from service because they sell huge volume. i worked for one of these large, national chains for a little while (they shall remain nameless, but you know who I am talking about) and they kept a bare minimum of mechanics on staff because the company really doesn't care about maintaining bikes, just shoving them out the door. as of April, the workload was so deep that we mechanics would check in a bike for something basic like a tune-up and promise to have the bike back in TWO WEEKS. for comparison, the local shop where I work has a 24-48 hour turnaround on anything that does not require a special order of parts. the service department was open from 8 am to 9 pm and it still took that long to get a bike finished. the company just refused to hire more mechanics and buy us the right tools (we were always missing something like adapters to true 29er wheels and such) so it took forever.
    ^^ What an excellent post! I hope more LBS employees are like you.

    I have really gone back and forth on this whole issue and im slowly coming around to the conclusion that as a beginner, my LBS is the better deal. I can get a prior year model Trek Paragon with all top of the line parts for $1800 at my LBS. There isnt much online that will beat that. But the biggest deal to me is for an additional $250, I get unlimited tune-ups and free replacement on EVERYTHING except brake pads and tires.

    As someone who isnt very mechanically inclined (not to say I wont learn how to do many things myself, cuss I will), the ability to just bring my bike in and have it fixed/maintained is invaluable. I put 100+ miles a week on my MB some weeks (mostly XC) and I race. So as the shop guy told me, it is likely I will wear through my share of Cassetes, Chains, etc etc.. Being able to have the shop replace those things for free is something I cant get at BD.

    I told my LBS guy that I was buying my clipless pedals, shoes, and handle bars online. He said "very good idea, I cant touch the prices for that stuff online and I dont have much of a selection." Then I proceeded to buy 2 new tires from him and looked at new forks he can order me...So hes still getting my business, while at the same time being honest with me about what I should buy online.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pattongb View Post
    ^^ What an excellent post! I hope more LBS employees are like you.

    I have really gone back and forth on this whole issue and im slowly coming around to the conclusion that as a beginner, my LBS is the better deal. I can get a prior year model Trek Paragon with all top of the line parts for $1800 at my LBS. There isnt much online that will beat that. But the biggest deal to me is for an additional $250, I get unlimited tune-ups and free replacement on EVERYTHING except brake pads and tires.

    As someone who isnt very mechanically inclined (not to say I wont learn how to do many things myself, cuss I will), the ability to just bring my bike in and have it fixed/maintained is invaluable. I put 100+ miles a week on my MB some weeks (mostly XC) and I race. So as the shop guy told me, it is likely I will wear through my share of Cassetes, Chains, etc etc.. Being able to have the shop replace those things for free is something I cant get at BD.

    I told my LBS guy that I was buying my clipless pedals, shoes, and handle bars online. He said "very good idea, I cant touch the prices for that stuff online and I dont have much of a selection." Then I proceeded to buy 2 new tires from him and looked at new forks he can order me...So hes still getting my business, while at the same time being honest with me about what I should buy online.

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    Total agreement with his agreement with Mack_Turtle. This is why I would have no problem going into a Trek dealer to get sized for a BD bike. I would be totally honest with the salesman and if he is a good one he would do everything he can to show me the real value he can offer over any online purchase. And it might work, he might not only make a sale, but might earn a customer for life.

    Like Pattongb, I tried to support my LBS with a recent parts purchase for my sons KHS Raptor. I needed a 110BCD 40T chainring and bolts. I knew I could get them on Ebay for around $30 shipped (and a pretty red anodized ring at that). But I figured I would be willing to pay some price premium to buy locally and also get it now, not in a week. Well, they didn't have anything in store, and while the guy was fumbling around his vendors web sites trying to find one we were having friendly conversation about what I was working on and I told him the Ebay price. He very nicely told me he appreciated me giving him a chance to make the sale, but he wasn't finding what I need and even if he did his price would be nearly double. Said basically what patton's guy did, just cant match online prices on those items so don't blame you for buying online. I have spent a decent amount of money at that shop this year, new helmets for my whole family, a basket for my wife's ride, odds and ends like that.
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    Screw the search function... you're new, ask the question(s). If anyone gets thier undies in a bunch it's thier problem.

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    In the end, its your money...if you feel you will get a better deal at BD, so be it. People have chimed in about how it works and such.

    Bike is a bike imo...if you get it from BD or your LBS, doesnt matter. Get out, have fun...wreck, patch yourself up and get back on the horse.

    Supporting your LBS is a great way to meet people, other riders, BS about local trails. Not to mention, most bike shops offer free service when you buy from them. My LBS gave me free tune ups for a year (3) and free tubes as long as i own my bike...not great if you run tubeless, however, i dont =) Ive got in good with them, they hook me up on every purchase now...so it almost ends up being the same price as it would be online with shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HighLife420 View Post
    In the end, its your money...if you feel you will get a better deal at BD, so be it. People have chimed in about how it works and such.

    Bike is a bike imo...if you get it from BD or your LBS, doesnt matter. Get out, have fun...wreck, patch yourself up and get back on the horse.

    Supporting your LBS is a great way to meet people, other riders, BS about local trails. Not to mention, most bike shops offer free service when you buy from them. My LBS gave me free tune ups for a year (3) and free tubes as long as i own my bike...not great if you run tubeless, however, i dont =) Ive got in good with them, they hook me up on every purchase now...so it almost ends up being the same price as it would be online with shipping.
    +1 OP if you notice lots of us are saying similer things. Your LBS might me great, you may not even find one you like, just buy your bike and ride.

    I havn't found a LBS in Vegas i like yet, right now i'm in Texas for almost 2 months. The LBS here is awsome. I probably would never have known if i didn't ride yet, I'm even tempted to buy my AM bike here before i head back to Vegas.

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    I bought a BD bike and set it up myself, I think I got a good value. Will I buy another in less than a year, hopefully, but not because this one is junk. I've also bought a computer, shoes, lubes and a floor pump from my lbs. Not to mention the few hundred spread between pricepoint and Jensonusa.

    I support my lbs and would like to see local businesses stay open, however I don't have a lot of extra cash and need to get the most for my money, if that's buying on line instead of locally, so be it.

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    Picked up a Moto Fly Team Titanium with Rock Shox SID Race for $900.00. I've been looking to build up a Ti bike, and a sharp eyed, detailed glance at the workmanship of the frame tells me spending mega bucks more for a Ti frame with a different decal set is sheer stupidity, especially when the only difference is the decal.

    A poster here gave me the inspiration to go "green", and so far, I have collected some bits and pieces that will go with that "Granny Smith/Sour Apple" theme I'm after. CK headset in Sour Apple, as well as a pair of CK Sour Apple hubs; KCNC seat tube clamp in apple green, CK green bottom bracket, Far & Near green cassette lock ring, Far & Near green chainring bolts; KCNC Ti Mountain skewers; and anything else green that will accent the Ti frameset without making it look gaudy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    Picked up a Moto Fly Team Titanium with Rock Shox SID Race for $900.00. I've been looking to build up a Ti bike, and a sharp eyed, detailed glance at the workmanship of the frame tells me spending mega bucks more for a Ti frame with a different decal set is sheer stupidity, especially when the only difference is the decal.
    I pound on my Fly Ti for a third year now, and it rides and looks perfect.

    It has too many decals though - some Cytrus strip cleaned it up a bit from the stays and the seat tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I pound on my Fly Ti for a third year now, and it rides and looks perfect.

    It has too many decals though - some Cytrus strip cleaned it up a bit from the stays and the seat tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    Consider having a bolt-on rear hub (I run Hope Pro 2 with 10mm bolts; DWS through axle or 12mm hub with step down axle would also work). It seems to firm up the rear end in just the right way (not that it was exceedingly flexible under my 200lb riding weight, not any more then any other good ti bike with a shaped tubeset, but I noticed a slight improvement).

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