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    Noob, desperately needing (of course) Help

    So I am completely New to this world, and man, there is a lot of stuff to learn. I made another post earlier, about worst wrecks of 2012, mine was on a Hayabusa (motorcycle) and 6 months later, I still am having significant brain issues...but I am doing my best to learn this world, as I am dedicated to becoming involved in it...consistently, just not very far at a time. I read the glossary terms..and I will do my best here...but please be a little forgiving..I know noobs get hazed a lot..that's cool..but some actual help would be awesome.

    I have absolutely tons of questions being interested in this for about a week now lol, but I will do my best to keep them to a minimum.

    First question..is Yeah..I am a beginner..and I don't have a ride yet. That is my First priority, and seeing as it is well below freezing around here (30min NW of Columbus) I am guessing there will be some anxious stores hoping to sell things...I just don't know what Thing I am looking for. This is strictly for fitness/fun/save the world from gas guzzlers/and more fun!

    I am about 6'3, 215lbs, I think I would like a 29'er and carrying up to 20lbs on backpack, until I find a way to mount stuff to the bike. (I checked out that forum, I can get all I need, on the bike itself, and off me...eventually. I won't lie...Cost is an issue...I am on a fixed, low income! Being disabled, I would like a full suspension bike.

    First, I will be taking this to town, Usually the back way...which means through multiple fields, plowed, rarely flat, weeds, then through..I'm not real sure..maybe a mile of woods..a 12ft pretty steep (at least when walking, sorry, haven't peddled in over 10yrs when I had a stroke, and not much before then!) through a shallow (8in) creek, or after rains, I can head across a road bridge if needed. Up the other 12ft creek bed, through another woods, and then through a few more fields before I hit town. At that point, I have no choice except roads, ditches, and sidewalks for about mile. (On days I am lazy, it would be a 5 mile commute strictly by road) Of course, some days, there are errands, but my entire city, is probably smaller then a 5 mile diameter. The Most I see myself on Paved roads, is probably about 15 miles in any given day. Eventually, if I get comfortable, and have fun doing this..I will start heading to bike paths, and getting more serious (so upgradeable?) I have ZERO plans of group rides, or races.

    I know going to walmart, is NOT a good idea...so even if I buy from an online store, i am OK with that. My city has no bike store, closest is 20min away, (but I don't know how good they are, they look pretty small.)

    I am Not scared of maintenance...although I would rather not be wrenching every other day.

    I know, I know...Quality, and Price...typically don't go together. Even worse with a full suspension? but there Has to be some sales out there? I don't need the newest..just something Rock Solid build quality. Considering I am Not going to be riding long distances at a time..a front suspension only would probably work, as my hands are my weakest link

    If Possible..if the Prices and Quality are all the same..I would buy American over foreign, but I AM a realist...and doubt that's possible anymore. I truly don't know if I will like this, or if I am even physically able to do this..so the first bike...if it could be $500 or under...that would be killler...$1000 max though. I don't care about name brand, I am going to repaint it anyways! Just as long as it is Quality.

    Specifically, I have been looking at 2 sites really, (If they have requirements, I would still qualify.) I just imagine them being Very solid and Very reliable, they all are within my price range. Then I found the last site, and it looks like it has some pretty good deals, I just don't know how good the bikes would be?
    policebikestore
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    I like that Montague paratrooper folding bike from the first site! Talk about easy to put in my suburban!

    I also like the
    Diamondback 2013 Recoil 29'er Full Suspension Mountain Bike

    bikesdirect, Appears to have what I am looking for, but I don't know if they are any good. I don't know about name brands? (Honestly, don't care, as long as it works well)

    I must admit..I have also looked at walmart..they have a 29'er, full suspension..for barely over $200. (29" Mongoose Ledge 3.1 For being unsure...that's tempting....but I would rather buy from Bike's Direct and spend slightly more...for what seems better bikes? So, I really need some advice please!

    Thanks

    Sorry guys...I am just a noob.

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    Most department "bikes" are one size,a size that is too small for you. That also a problem with mail order you won't know how it fits until you buy it. there's a q&a form around on this forum you should read it and answer the q's. For the money that you are thinking of spending there is a large difference in quality.For 1000$ you can get a nice hardtail .With in a price point bikes are petty much the same.I'd stay away from the folding bike if you want ride on trails ,one more thing to go wrong /break.

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    Sounds like an awesome commute. I do something similar. By road it is about 6 miles, but taking my all dirt routes I can easily get it to be double that.

    Check out your small bike shop. I own a small bike shop and I would think like me the people that work there are working there because they love biking, and will help you all they can. If they are like me in the sales on bikes is in the late fall, when the new bikes have come out and we are trying to make room for them by getting rid of the current bikes. Every year I get people in the Spring asking for deals on last years bikes. Usually it is too late because I have already sold the prior years bikes. For me late Oct early Nov and Jan are the slowest months, so it is always nice to move bikes during those times. $500 to $1000 should be able to get you a good quality hardtail that will handle your ride. For a full suspension it is best to not go too cheap. A cheap full suspension bike will not hold up. I know Giant has a full suspension (Yukon FX) that you should be able to get for just under $1000, but going to the Trance X that starts at around $1,500 is well worth the price difference if you can afford it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbeagle View Post
    For a full suspension it is best to not go too cheap. A cheap full suspension bike will not hold up. I know Giant has a full suspension (Yukon FX) that you should be able to get for just under $1000, but going to the Trance X that starts at around $1,500 is well worth the price difference if you can afford it.
    As someone who works in mechanical design ... I can honestly say this is absolutely true !!!

    Best of luck, OP
    You'll eventually find what you want/need ... Just don't make any quick decisions.

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    From what Ive seen so far being newer at this like you, you may actually be better with a hard tail for your price range. It all depends on personal preference so what ever you take a liking to is what you should get.

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    I wish you well in your recovery. Brain issues or not, your thinking is clearer than most and you express yourself really well.

    My advice? Get a hardtail and ride the piss out of it.
    Use it, use it, use it while you still have it.

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    Yeah, I was in the same boat a while back. Of course we all want a full sus. at first but once we get pointed in the right direction by the regulars around here things start to make sense.

    There are so many things to learn that you realize that throwing suspension settings into the mix just makes it harder. Being a n00b means having to start from scratch. I was an old school MTBer so I'd have to learn about things all over again. No more cantilever brakes or oval chainrings. Now on to disc brakes and sus. forks.

    One thing that someone pointed out to me is that by buying something cheaper means it wont hurt so bad to screw something up. Hows it gonna feel when you cut your steerer tube too short on a $600 Fox fork? Thats what the forums are here for. Just keep reading and learning.

    Heres a link to the Motobecane (BikesDirect) forum. Motobecane - Mtbr Forums
    Most seem happy w/ them and their components are better than anything at that price point. Good luck!

    Edit- I dont know about thos police bikes or folding bikes. Seems like a bad idea to me. If you plan to go off roading you'll want something thats designed for that purpose.
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    For the most part when it comes to bikes you get what you pay for. Motobecane is no exception to the rule. I work as a mechanic on bikes all day, and have worked on a good share of Motobecanes. If you take your time and look at them you can see where they cut corners to keep the price down. I'm not saying they are bad bikes, but just that they are about what would be expected for a bike at the price they sell for.

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    Wanting a 29er, with full suspension, is not going to play well with your statement of being in low income. As a rule of thumb, a quality full suspension bike canít be had until youíre around the $1k mark, and even then it will be specíd with low end parts. But that money will get you a respectable hardtail. If I were as tall as you, Iíd certainly look into 29erís, as they would better match your proportions.

    If youíre riding into town and back, will the bike get locked up somewhere? Will a flashy bike attract thieving eyes? Things to think about.

    Another online seller to throw into the mix is Airborne. They give a lot of value for their cost, by all accounts.

    Hereís a tip to save you from a needless crash, no matter what bike you end up getting. When cornering on a mountain bike, lean the bike below you in turns, and keep yourself upright. On your Hayabusa, you weigh less than the bike, so you have to lean off the bike to drag it down into a corner. On a bicycle, you weigh more than the bike, so if you try the same thing, your tires will wash out before you realize whatís happened.

    Welcome and hope you have a speedy recovery

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbeagle View Post
    For the most part when it comes to bikes you get what you pay for. Motobecane is no exception to the rule. I work as a mechanic on bikes all day, and have worked on a good share of Motobecanes. If you take your time and look at them you can see where they cut corners to keep the price down. I'm not saying they are bad bikes, but just that they are about what would be expected for a bike at the price they sell for.
    Where do they cut corners?

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    Some parts will be low end but no big deal i guess. To the OP, hardtail all the way imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bataivah View Post
    Some parts will be low
    Yes, mixing low end parts that get less attention with high end parts that give a false impression of an over all better bike.

    One good example was a guy that bought a Moto road bike with carbon frame and dura-ace components. He had me put it together for him out of the box. When he dropped it off I asked how much he figured it would weigh (yes weight is a big part of why you buy a dura-ace bike). Of course he expected it to be in line with what a nice bike would weigh. However after putting it together and weighing the bike it was heavier than a good 105 equipped bike would weigh. Why? because although it had some nice high end dura-ace components on it the frame was not high quality, and a lot of the parts on the bike were low end, heavy parts. Also the ride quality of the frame (stiffness, comfort, handling) was not comparable to what a quality frame would provide. It worked out good for him, but after a year or so he sold it and got a Scott that had quality throughout the bike and was much happier.

    Again, I'm not trying to bash the bikes sold over the internet, it's just that you need to realize that even though they throw on some nice components to make it look good, it doesn't mean you are getting a killer deal.

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    I should add, as an owner of a bike store I definitely have a biased view point. But it also means I have seen this story play out many times, and while the details of the story change the essence of the story remains the same.

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    Yea lol, I see a XTR drivetrain set-up with a ton of other junk on it and a tear comes to my eye!
    Don't kill a good xtr build or xo/xx with junk. Or a fox/sid fork etc with a junk drivetrain,brakes,wheelset
    etc as an example. Q_Q

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    I've thought about getting one from there more than once, and upgrading the low-end stuff...
    but I just can't seem to sell myself on the framesets yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbeagle View Post
    I should add, as an owner of a bike store I definitely have a biased view point. But it also means I have seen this story play out many times, and while the details of the story change the essence of the story remains the same.
    +1 on your rep bro!

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    Visit an LBS near you. Get fit properly for a bike and test ride as many as you can. Comfort is most important or you won't enjoy the bike.

    Also consider a used bike. For the same amount of money, you can get a pretty good value. I've found really nice used 2011 full suspension bikes for under $700 with good quality components, etc. Some bike shops even provide free servicing and warranties on their used bikes.

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    OP, i wish you well in your recovery, on the foldup bike, i would stay away from any foldups, buy a real bike, and at 235lbs geared up, i would suggest a decent quality hard tail for the price your looking at.
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    A hard tail would work, but if you're mostly on paved trails look at a rigid. You might be able to find a used old bike as well. I have a 1990 Rockhopper, that I still use now and then. I ride trails like you describe just fine, it's also my single speed, but it's been through many different forms, off-road to roadie, and back. Suspension allows more speed and comfort, but adds weight and maintenance.

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    Yea, a folding bike is really for boaters and RV'rs who need to stash it on board or on a cargo rack
    when they travel and then pedal around town when the arrive at docks or campsites etc.
    I like a HT when the trail gets tough, but my full rigid is way better on the road and will still do most
    trails that are'nt really extreme just as well. Too much bike than what you need only makes it harder
    instead of easier. Also the same goes for not enough bike than what you need.

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    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bataivah View Post
    Yea, a folding bike is really for boaters and RV'rs who need to stash it on board or on a cargo rack
    when they travel and then pedal around town when the arrive at docks or campsites etc.
    I like a HT when the trail gets tough, but my full rigid is way better on the road and will still do most
    trails that are'nt really extreme just as well. Too much bike than what you need only makes it harder
    instead of easier. Also the same goes for not enough bike than what you need.
    Heh... if I have an RV, the bike would easily fit on the roof.
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    Just wanted to post back up again, and say Thank You, for all of the info. It has helped me I still am researching..and will at least go to the semi-local bike shop before ordering anything. I don't mind used..but I don't know enough to buy used online...and buying used from dealers, when I know nothing about the world pretty much...sounds disastrous....just from the aspect of the motorcycle world...referring to dealerships as Stealer-ships..and Knowing the insane things they do.

    I also wanted to say Thank you, for the compliments about me personally, and my recovery. It did take me over 2 days to write all of that...but at least it ended up looking respectable! Thank you though, it does mean a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    Heh... if I have an RV, the bike would easily fit on the roof.
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    Watch out for the low bridge! lol
    I guess on a boat I would just hook a paddle wheel up to it.
    My bike is the closest thing to an RV I'll ever get lol

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    Also, I haven't fully explored the site...is there a recommended dealer area by location? So I can Know I am going to a good store, and not get ripped off? I mean Any time I hear or See a Number...I am confused, which makes this entire process a real challenge. An "Approved" local dealer would help things out.

    Or, if anyone knows a good shop Specifically around me?, I am in Marysville..close to Delaware, I have seen a couple stores there, and NW Columbus, if I can find a ride.

    Thanks a lot

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    Do a search for a local MTB or road bike club. They should be able to steer you in the direction of a trustworthy shop.
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    Fellow Ohioan here, though I'm up in the NE corner. Welcome to the mtb world!

    If you're wanting local advice you should try the new Ohio mtb site as well as MTBR:

    Ohiosingletrack.com Forums

    You can ask the guys on the COMBO (Central Ohio Mountain Bike Organization) forum there - they're in your neck of the woods.

    And keep Alum Creek State Park in mind when you're ready to hit the dirt. They have some easier trails, harder trails and a skills park.

    Best of luck recovering from the head injury. Had one myself, but it sounds like it was nothing compared to yours. Much positive karma sent your way.

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    But a used hardtail and save money. Ride it for a season. If you fall in love with the sport spend more money on a nicer bike next year. You accomplish two big things this way:

    1. You get to try MTB without a big purchase. If you don't like it you're not out that much money.

    2. If you love it and want a bike next year you'll know what you want or which direction to go on a new purchase.

    Don't rush. The worst thing is realize that you spent a hunk of hard earned money on something you don't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danballa View Post
    Also, I haven't fully explored the site...is there a recommended dealer area by location? So I can Know I am going to a good store, and not get ripped off? I mean Any time I hear or See a Number...I am confused, which makes this entire process a real challenge. An "Approved" local dealer would help things out.

    Or, if anyone knows a good shop Specifically around me?, I am in Marysville..close to Delaware, I have seen a couple stores there, and NW Columbus, if I can find a ride.

    Thanks a lot
    If you can't get advice on a shop just do what I did. Go to a few of them when it's crowded... like a Saturday. When asked, just say you're looking. Just listen to the salesman/shop tech and how they talk to the other customers. It was easy for me. Some shops the customer asked the questions. The one I chose had the salesmen answering the questions before they could even ask them.See if they're trying to talk them into a "good deal" or out of a bad one.Did they made the customer happy? Did they try to throw in a few extra goodies at a reduced cost? When I bought my bike I got a discount for buying all the other stuff like a camelback, tool, spare tire, helmet, gloves.

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    Bike shops and any other higher ticket item should begin with a series of questions from the sales person. If they go straight into the pitch, you are being sold. If they spend time to understand your objectives and goals, you are being served.
    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    Bikes Direct will be a very good price - no name frame but potentially good components. Good Value, no service.

    Walmart - Stay away unless you don't care about ride quality, and only have 200 bucks. Even there though, I'd spend that 200 bucks on craigslist and get much more bike.

    Local Bike Shop - This season especially I think you could find something for 30% ish off retail, and get a good bike for 800-1000. Plus, you can get great service from your LBS, where if you buy it online you will either have to service it yourself, or pay your lbs to work on it. If you buy it from them, some shops offer a free tune up, or even 1 year free service. (If you were in Salt Lake we could take care of you. We even have some great 29ers for sale, but especially since you're new, I'd recommend you stay local and develop a good relationship with your lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbeagle View Post
    I should add, as an owner of a bike store I definitely have a biased view point. But it also means I have seen this story play out many times, and while the details of the story change the essence of the story remains the same.
    I have been thinking about this comment for days, and I Still haven't figured out what you mean by it...or someone else who supported the comment or something? If anyone knows..can you please explain? I am like 2 weeks into even thinking about peddle bikes, and I haven't figured out how things work. I would like to know how the "story plays out"?

    I am not attempting to be rude, or disrespectful to anyone..I Like this forum..I honestly just don't understand it, and am just tired of Wondering what it means, so the only way to Know..is to ask.

    If it's a bad thing, and you don't want to post it up publicly, please, just message me directly. I dunno..that comment just Stuck with me.

    Thanks..and best wishes to all...it's a good day..

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    From reading his posts, I believe he is saying the practice of making a low or medium quality bike look better by adding a few visible high-end parts happens routinely. The bike models will change, the particular parts mix may change, but the "story play out many times".

    He implies that one should carefully consider ALL the components when comparing one bike to another.
    Use it, use it, use it while you still have it.

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    danballa,

    May I suggest taking someone with you to help with some of your needs? Wife? Friend? Brain injuries suck and take a long time to recover from. I have epilepsy from one at birth. My last hard crash left me with a concussion for 7 weeks and I was out of it the entire time. If communication/driving/understanding is hard, someone to back you up will really help. That way you aren't on overload.

    Head up to a shop and just take a look around. Don't worry about buying anything, just try a few bikes out and see what you like. Not knowing the extent of your injury make sure the bike is easy to use. Take your time and go at your pace. Don't forget you need a brain bucket to go with that bike once you decide something.

    I still feel the effects of that concussion almost a year later and it sucks. You don't realize how much your brain does until parts of it don't work. Sometimes my coordination is off while riding and I get lost in what people are saying at times. That brain bucket saved my life though.

    Let us know if you find something. Good luck!

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    Thanks a lot for the great advice everyone. Understanding/communication is difficult, unless it is written, where I can delete, and I am able to Re-read things when I forget. God I love texts! I have saved every text from every important person, ever since I got the phone..I often have to go back and re-read things. I also got in the habit of recording calls, so I can listen to them again.

    Brain bucket? At this point...I'm tempted to wear another full face motorcycle one, along with the kevlar suit for when I fall, because I Will fall..without question

    I would gladly buy craigslist, but there are just So many dishonest people out there, and I just don't want it breaking. I Was a certified motorcycle/atv/jetski mechanic, so I should be able to work on them...I'll just have to bring it inside, since my garage isn't heated. The few people I know who peddle...basically have said...I know enough how to ride mine. I'll get this figured out, it's just When.

    Thanks for the explanation of the comment I didn't understand. It kept sounding like an insult to me, where everyone Else has seemed so nice and helpful..and it just didn't make sense to me, so Thanks for that.

    Definite thanks for the referral towards the COMBO forum...that sounds like a Great option to me!

    Again, I thank Everyone who has helped with any type of comment..You guys are great, and really are helping me out! I Only wish I had more time...Actually..i have Tons of Time...I Only wish I had more Time that my eyes worked where I could read, without the blurriness and horrible headaches.

    Best wishes everyone!

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    Shop owners just have a hard time seeing places like bikes direct get so much business when all they do is source cheap frames from Taiwan / China, then ship bikes out to consumers who aren't ready to assemble them on their own and they end up in the local shops anyways for repairs, or even completing the assembly of the bikes. This might be what he was referring too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikewagon View Post
    Shop owners just have a hard time seeing places like bikes direct get so much business when all they do is source cheap frames from Taiwan / China, then ship bikes out to consumers who aren't ready to assemble them on their own and they end up in the local shops anyways for repairs, or even completing the assembly of the bikes. This might be what he was referring too.
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