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    Wow, this is really an in-depth discussion of bike geometry. So it boils down to what you what to do with the bike that geometry comes into play. Depending on the terrain too. Thank you very much for indulging this noob! Rep coming in!

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    I wish I could edit my original post, but cannot. I made the statement that XTR Race is less durable than XTR trail and that is not entirely true. XTR Race and Trail are, for the most part, exactly the same in durability, except for the rims. Some might argue that the XTR is more durable than most, or all other groups. The point of my original statement was that the XTR chainrings, chain and cassette are wear items and will eventually need to be replaced. The cost to replace these items is twice the cost of XT. For example, a new set of XTR chainrings is more expensive than buying a whole new XTR crankset.

    If you are new and aren't very smooth with shifting, a high performance, lightweight, expensive drivetrain will be an expensive place to start.
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    In the market.

    So here I am bike less... Although I just rode at deer lakes park here in Pittsburgh pa, but that was on a 90's model diamondback ascent. Sketchy I know, I used to have a nice specialized rock hopper disc comp pro. Didn't last long got stolen. Anywho to the point lost one of my jobs I need to buy a new bike or well newer. I really have limited funds, so looking for something decently priced that can take a pounding. I was looking and knolly, specialized, and a few others. I just need some help I would prefer a 29er. Please just let me know.




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    If cash is tight and you just want to get on the trail, I'd research your local MTB clubs. I'd be willing to bet a lot of members will be buying themselves a new bike for the holiday. Let them know your plight and they might sell you their old bike for a song knowing it will be going to a club member with good intentions.

    My best advice is, do not buy a bike with a credit card. If you must buy new, online factory direct will be best bang for the buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    So here I am bike less... Although I just rode at deer lakes park here in Pittsburgh pa, but that was on a 90's model diamondback ascent. Sketchy I know, I used to have a nice specialized rock hopper disc comp pro. Didn't last long got stolen. Anywho to the point lost one of my jobs I need to buy a new bike or well newer. I really have limited funds, so looking for something decently priced that can take a pounding. I was looking and knolly, specialized, and a few others. I just need some help I would prefer a 29er. Please just let me know.




    Peace, J.
    I'm riding an entry level big box Diamondback of the same era through similar level terrain. Bike has been solid as a brick, even if it isn't going to impress anyone, including me.

    Tweak it to a perfect fit. Play with the tire pressure and get it dialed in. Save your money and keep riding until you can buy something decent instead of settling. Remember, people were riding those trails 15 years ago on bikes like that and were having a ****ing blast.

    I am glad I saved my money. I was ready to settle for some cheap POS bikes. But there is nothing wrong with the diamondback. It rides. With the right tires pressure, it even floats over the sand decently. It climbs like a ton of bricks, making me stronger. Plus, no one is going to steal it

    When you do save up enough for a decent ride, the FIRST thing you do is register it. Make sure you have personal property coverage on your homeowners or renter's insurance. If you don't have insurance, get it. It's cheap, and will cover all your ****. If another nice bike (or anything in your home) is stolen, file a police report and the insurance will replace it for a (usually) minor deductible.

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    Really appreciate you two throwing out the knowledge. Thanks a ton. I know a lot of riders around here. So I will put the word out. Thanks WMAC.

    I do know diamond backs a great bike. This bike did what I needed it to but it was a loaner for the ride and I really need to get it back to Rapps. I really appreciate your help too bikemaya. But I do need something. Especially now that I've been bitten harder by the bug than ever before. So thanks guys a ton.


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    Thanks and you're welcome!
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    Nice guide, lot of new things to me.
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    Great guides! Definitely influenced my thoughts during my recent bike-finding journey. Took my new ride out in the snow today and am very happy. Thanks!

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    Glad to help!
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    Let me know if there are any Noob or Beginner Topics you'd like to have explained further
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    so how does one make this a sticky.

    I just want to know how the : MTBR Word Association Game became a sticky and not this
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    Not sure.
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    thanks for the advice, wmac.

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    Anyone want to add anything to this?
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    Thanks for the in depth write up on the geometry, forks, petals, and parts.

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    41 fat diabetic smoker slow rider.

    i'm 5'11 250lbs. crashed my trek 820 so many times. picking scabs everyday. mtb is the ONLY form of exercise i can get excited about. i've been doing single track around southern arizona for a month now and i'm stoked. i can already tell a huge difference in my lung capacity, endurance and ability. cleaning some technical parts that i had to walk when i started. i've called to several bike shops, i will buy local, but these guys seem too preoccupied to chat on the phone. i'm a local celebrity so i'm hesitant to go into a bike shop to inquire for so many different reasons. namely pressure to buy so i can talk about the particular shop. i'm trying to do the research so i can just go buy the bike that makes sense. so here's the deal, i'm slow as molasses, total newb, want to ditch the trek and get on a 29er. i could go mass production or boutique i could go 500 or 5000$ on a 29er. so far i'm leaning 29er steel ht. but i wanna do what's right and what makes sense for me at this very early point in my riding. i'm a father of two young boys so this is about growing the eff up and getting healthy so i can be around for my little dudes. thanks for reading and thanks for any advice. cheers, frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbrinsley View Post
    i'm 5'11 250lbs. crashed my trek 820 so many times. picking scabs everyday. mtb is the ONLY form of exercise i can get excited about. i've been doing single track around southern arizona for a month now and i'm stoked. i can already tell a huge difference in my lung capacity, endurance and ability. cleaning some technical parts that i had to walk when i started. i've called to several bike shops, i will buy local, but these guys seem too preoccupied to chat on the phone. i'm a local celebrity so i'm hesitant to go into a bike shop to inquire for so many different reasons. namely pressure to buy so i can talk about the particular shop. i'm trying to do the research so i can just go buy the bike that makes sense. so here's the deal, i'm slow as molasses, total newb, want to ditch the trek and get on a 29er. i could go mass production or boutique i could go 500 or 5000$ on a 29er. so far i'm leaning 29er steel ht. but i wanna do what's right and what makes sense for me at this very early point in my riding. i'm a father of two young boys so this is about growing the eff up and getting healthy so i can be around for my little dudes. thanks for reading and thanks for any advice. cheers, frank
    Frank: can't make a good recommendation without more information. SOP is post enough to start your own thread, answer all the questions in the guide and we can make a good recommendation.

    Your experience and mechanical ability will determine a lot.
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    WOW great information.

    IMHO your LBS is the way to go, they can help with fit and some even have some bikes at a great value. specially towards the end of the year and early Jan.

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    thanks wmac great info!!

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    Hey, can I ask you some questions about bike brands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necktie Killer View Post
    Hey, can I ask you some questions about bike brands?
    Sure.
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    Just ran through this thread, (I wouldn't call myself a noob, but I thought I might be able to help answer a question or two, and maybe even learn something while I'm at it)

    wmac really has gone out of his way to provide solid, non-biased, useful information. Hats off to him! everybody should give him positive REP for these posts, and his great attitude, mtbr needs more posters like this!

    As for Frank, let us know more of what you've got on your mind. Good info in, generally means good info back out! For light Trail/fitness, you can't beat a fat bike! Also it would probably fit with your larger than life in your face personality (on-air, I can't make recommendations for you off-air cause well, we've never met) I love riding mine because it is soooo much fun, It's by far not the most capable bike for my environment but it is fun, and a helluva workout, not to mention it turns lots of heads!



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    Useful info, thank you.

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    Thanks mj and you're welcome kuranei!
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    noob here

    looks like i have a lot of reading to do.

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    posting to post my own thread thanks

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    Great info thanks

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    Sorry I am a new member and cannot start my own thread yet. I am wanting to get started in biking but really do not have anyone near me that knows much about it or can show me the ropes. The first thing I need to do is get a mountain bike. So I thought I would answer all the questions from the first post to get some help on getting a bike.

    What region of the country do I live in? San Antonio, TxWhere do I plan to ride my new bike? Offroad trails at various parks around the areaAre there any YouTube videos of the trails I plan to ride? I have not found really that much.
    How much time do I plan on devoting to this hobby? I would like to get out at least one day a week. As I get more experienced I would actually look at taking trips to various places around the US for vacation.What is my previous cycling experience? Have not been on a bike since I was a kid. I did no mountain biking whatsoever as a kid.Have I participated in other hobbies, sports or activities that may give me relevant skills? I have always lead a very active lifestyle as well as been one of those people who happen to be naturally good at every sport or activity I so.What are my mechanical abilities? I consider myself a decent mechanic seeing as I work on my own tacoma I have for wheeling.
    Do I currently own a bike? NoDo I currently own a helmet, gloves, padded shorts, proper shoes, Cyclocomputer, Finish line bike wash, Finishline brush kit, shop rags, chain lube, chain stay protector (I like Shelter), Gloves, good socks, solid tire pressure gauge, floor tire pump, on trail tire pump or cartridges, shock pump, good three way hex, mufti tool, spare bottles, cages, backpack to put all your gear in? I do not have any of the gear mentioned. As I stated I am a complete noob.Why do I want to buy a new bike? It does not actually have to be new. I guess I just need input on what to look for new or used.How much research have I already done and do I have an idea of what I want? I am leaning towards a hardtail 29er large or xlarge frame. I think I have settled on that. Everything else is up in the air right now.Do I have friends who are into the hobby? No none at all.What's their mechanical and riding experience? not applicableWhat kind of bikes do my riding buddies ride?
    What kind of bikes do I see on the trails I plan to ride? (Full suspension, hardtail, rigid, single speed, geared) I am guessing either full suspension or hardtail.Can I really afford this hobby? I feel I can as long as I am not consistantly having to fix broken parts. I figured there would be a decent cost up front and maintaining should not be too bad.Are my credit cards paid off? yes. Do I have savings in the bank and money to burn? not a lot but some.How much money do I want to spend on this hobby over the next year? 500 for the bike is a starting point and that is all I have thought about.What am I trying to accomplish by participating in this hobby? stay in shape and be able to share a new hobby with my wife who is also interested in getting started.How do I expect my life to be different a year from the day my new bike arrives?
    I will be in better shape than I am now and will get to spend more time with my wife enjoying a new hobby as well as a healthier lifestyle.

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    Appreciate the help here. Starting a thread to ask for advice.

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    Scratch what I said before

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    Thanks Chilly!
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    Thanks for this thread. Very helpful

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    I am looking into buying my first bike, and I am pretty sure I am interested in more downhill and technical type riding. I don't really have biking experience besides around the neighborhood. I will be using my bike in the American West. I move around a lot but Southwestern Colorado is where I will be learning. I have heard great things about the Giant Trance X4 for my price range. I am looking to get a used bike full suspension for under 1000. I also don't currently own any biking gear so I will have to buy a helmet, gloves, a pump, a tool kit and whatever else I need. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

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    I also don't have enough posts for my own thread yet

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    Post here until you do.
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    This is a good guide to all of us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wink23 View Post
    This is a good guide to all of us!
    Absolutely, not gonna lie, it sucks being a noob with all the terms and learning curve. I'm surprised that this is not a sticky. Just want to say it again thanks wmac for putting this and a few other noobs friendly threads together. I'd repped you again if I can.

    I'm currently a fresh of the boat noob on another forum the Gun forum and sure enough the learning curve is still pretty steep for me. I also found that MTBR members are pretty friendly.

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    You're welcome Mimi! I agree with you and some others that it should be a sticky. We can make this and the Geo Guide a Gorilla sticky by encouraging everyone who reads this to comment on it to keep it at the top.
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    Anyone got anything to add?
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    What other stuff are noobs interested in?
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    Thank you to everyone who has dropped positive rep for this post over the past couple of weeks.
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    So i'm sort of stumped at the moment as to what bike to go for, i used to do a fair amount of BMX/ Dirtjumping and am currently weighing up what sort of bike is going to be a decent all rounder for downhill, jumping and a little XC as well. I'd love to able to buy a bike for each type of riding lol but i think that will have to wait.

    Currently looking at a Specialised stuntjumper comp 29'er (hardtail) and after reading the endless FSR vs Hardtail topics i find myself even more confused lol, what are peoples personal experiences (with this bike if possible) and is it going to be a half decent all rounder?? Or should i go with a Specialized FSR or specifically the 2013 Specialized enduro comp, fsr stuntjumper comp or camber carbon and just be done with it lol??

    Any help would be great
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    I am in the same boat as Peteman, totally stumped at the moment.

    A little background. I grew up riding a Cannondale M100 rigid. I rode this bike for many years on all types of terrain. In college I got more into downhill and freeriding. I rode a Specialized Big Hit Epic and then a Kona Stinky Deelux with upgraded Marzocchi 888. I also played around a lot on a specialized P2. I did all my riding in the mountains of Colorado and Utah and raced a little (DH) in college. Currently I'm a roadie - don't hate.

    I'm a fairly strong all around rider but have been out of the MTB scene for quite some time and things have changed a lot in my absence. I stopped by my local shop today and walked over MTB side of the store and started asking questions but the sales folks, although nice, did not really seem to have answers for me. The bikes have come a long way over the past few years and I was impressed with the HT I rode (Giant XTC 29er 2) but I was really just riding to see if I wanted to get back in the saddle (it turns out I do ...a lot).

    I really know very little about this kind of bike. My background more in heavy, strong frames, and loads of travel. I am looking for suggestions on where to start. I'd like a decent all-around bike that is still capable of tackling the occasional drop or a dirt jump session. I live in VA.

    I am considering the same bikes as Pete (although they are a but pricey) but am truly torn between HT and FS. I used to be a HT advocate for everyday mountain biking reserving FS for DH and big drops. Now I'm not so sure.

    Money is not a huge issue although I would like to keep it within reason (sub $2200, $2500 max). Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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    BTW, where did all this 29er jazz come from? Ha, totally new to me!

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    Pete and Joneser: those are fantastic bikes. Without more information, like the answers to the questions at the top of this thread, I can't make a good suggestion as to whether or not it would be the right bike for your goals.

    The trails you plan to ride and how longs and how fast you plan to ride them will have a big impact on the type of bike you should purchase. The AM bikes are sexy, but, might be heavier and more expensive than required.
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    Good call wmat. Here it goes:

    What region of the country do I live in? Northern Va

    Where do I plan to ride my new bike? Anywhere. Local trails. Dirt mostly with the occasional urban assault.

    Are there any YouTube videos of the trails I plan to ride? Yeah. The area looks pretty standard. Single track with varying technicality.

    How much time do I plan on devoting to this hobby? As much as possible. Multiple rides a week with the occasional trip to Colo or Moab (more porcupine rim style than slickrock if anyone knows the area).

    What is my previous cycling experience? Decades of riding experience ranging from trail riding to downhill racing. I've ridden very technical terrain.

    Have I participated in other hobbies, sports or activities that may give me relevant skills? Most likely. Is road cycling relevant, lol?

    Do I currently own a bike? Yes. Specialized Supersix 5 105

    Do I currently own a helmet, gloves, padded shorts, proper shoes, Cyclocomputer, Finish line bike wash, Finishline brush kit, shop rags, chain lube, chain stay protector (I like Shelter), Gloves, good socks, solid tire pressure gauge, floor tire pump, on trail tire pump or cartridges, shock pump, good three way hex, mufti tool, spare bottles, cages, backpack to put all your gear in? Yes to all the above (Roadie styleee)

    Why do I want to buy a new bike? Because the correct number of bikes to own is n+1 where n equals the amount I currently own (or s-1 where s equals how many bikes would make my significant other leave me)

    Do I have friends who are into the hobby? Yes

    What's their mechanical and riding experience? Avid roadies that can work at bikes at home if its not too complicated.

    What kind of bikes do I see on the trails I plan to ride? The riders at the trails are all over the board. I saw many bike types.

    Can I really afford this hobby? Haha, I hope so.

    Are my credit cards paid off? hmmm, yes?

    Do I have savings in the bank and money to burn? Not a lot but some.

    How much money do I want to spend on this hobby over the next year? As much as needed. $2500 to start (negotiable)

    What am I trying to accomplish by participating in this hobby? Go fast. Fly high. Have fun. I have not ridden on dirt in about 8 years. I'd like to get back to it.

    How do I expect my life to be different a year from the day my new bike arrives?
    Hopefully I will be planning a trip out west!

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    There's two ways to go about this. If you know what you want, draw a circle and shoot the arrow at it and try to hit the middle. Or, if you don't really know, shoot the arrow in the general direction and THEN draw the circle around it. For you, I say shoot the arrow in the general direction.

    Okay, if you plan to jump, be aggressive on big drops etc, I'd go with 26" or 650b (27.5). You're smart enough and have enough experience to buy used or online mail order. Hook up with your local club's forum. I'm sure someone is selling a nice, used, 26" bike. Ride it for a while and figure out what you like/dislike about it. You'll know within six months what you want different. Upgrade or change as required.

    Personally, I own a couple of Sette bikes from PricePoint.com. Solid bikes with a lot of bang for the buck. My Serum Pro XT has served me really well for aggressive cross country racing and light hooliganism.
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    Fantastic response wmac. I know what I liked a few years ago and it's a good idea to ride a bike for a while and rate it. I'm just so excited right now and I don't want to jump the gun and pull the trigger on something before I know what I am looking for and certainly before I understand what these bikes have to offer. I do know I don't want something as heavy as my old stinkee...although I miss it.

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    A lot of manufacturers are limiting their 26" bikes due to market demand of 29 and more recently 27.5 wheel sizes. A lot of people are selling their 26" bikes to get on the 29 and 27.5 trains. Shops are blowing out old 26" stock as well. Take advantage.

    Another option is to rent some bikes and see what you like.
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