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    Craigslist bike component check: can I get some feedback on these?

    Hi guys,

    Going to look at a 2009 Marin Hardtail I found on Craigslist today, wanted to ask for some feedback from you knowledgeable folks on the component upgrades that have been done to the bike. It's a 2009 Hawk Hill hydroformed aluminum frame, with "every single component upgraded".

    I'm trying to determine the value of the bike the guy's selling, but I'm not familiar with the components. Any feedback on any of the components would be awesome.

    2010 Rockshox Reba Race fork
    2010 Easton Havoc AM wheels
    Avid Juicy 3 hydraulic disc brakes
    2010 Shimano M552 crankset
    2010 SRAM X9 shifters
    2010 SRAM X9 rear derailleur
    2010 Shimano XT FD-M771 front derailleur
    2010 SRAM PG-990 11-34T 9 speed cassette
    2010 SRAM PC-990 Cross Step chain
    SMAC platform pedals red
    2011 Chris King headset red
    2010 Specialized Enduro II riser bar
    2010 Specialized Pro Set stem with adjustable angle/rise shims
    Lizard Skins Peaty lock on grips with red clamp
    Thomson Elite seatpost
    Hope QR seatpost clamp red
    WTB Laser V SLT titanium railed saddle
    Maxxis Crossmark 2.25 rear tire 95%
    Maxxis Ardent 2.25 front tire 95%








    Looks like the bike is ~$800=$900 new with the stock components, but the guy claims there are over $2k worth of upgrades on the bike.

    How much do you think a good price would be to pick this up?

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    What's he asking? It's a seller's market at this point in the season. It's a nice looking, recent-model bike with a good fork, and a solid set of components. I certainly don't see $2k worth of upgrades though.

    $800 maybe? Sure he might have upgraded a lot, but it is used, and might or might not need maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotoDengo View Post
    What's he asking? It's a seller's market at this point in the season. It's a nice looking, recent-model bike with a good fork, and a solid set of components. I certainly don't see $2k worth of upgrades though.

    $800 maybe? Sure he might have upgraded a lot, but it is used, and might or might not need maintenance.
    Here's the original component list w/ prices. I googled a few, and of course they're cheaper now as they are last year's components, but he may have paid what the list says..

    "2010 Rockshox Reba Race fork: $500
    2010 Easton Havoc AM wheels: $400
    Avid Juicy 3 hydraulic disc brakes: $160
    2010 Shimano M552 crankset: $115
    2010 SRAM X9 shifters: $120
    2010 SRAM X9 rear derailleur: $100
    2010 Shimano XT FD-M771 front derailleur: $55
    2010 SRAM PG-990 11-34T 9 speed cassette: $100
    2010 SRAM PC-990 Cross Step chain: $50
    SMAC platform pedals red: $100
    2011 Chris King headset red: $130
    2010 Specialized Enduro II riser bar: $40
    2010 Specialized Pro Set stem with adjustable angle/rise shims: $50
    Lizard Skins Peaty lock on grips with red clamps: $20
    Thomson Elite seatpost: $90
    Hope QR seatpost clamp red: $37
    WTB Laser V SLT titanium railed saddle: $130
    Maxxis Crossmark 2.25 rear tire 95%: $50
    Maxxis Ardent 2.25 front tire 95%: $50
    2 Minoura red alloy bottle cages: $26

    That's over $2300 in upgrades for almost no charge over the stock shop build."

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    Interesting.

    He has high end upgrades for almost everything...except for the brakes. Juicy 3 brakes are the only low-sh grade component that I can see.

    What's the asking price?

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    Thanks for the reply, captainjoon.

    The guy is asking $970.

    I was a little surprised by GoToDengo's appraisal for ~$800, because that would mean some astronomical depreciation on the upgrades. I mean, the bike was $850 new, so were talking $2300 -> a few hundred bucks in 1-2 years?? That amount of devaluation is mind boggling.

    Obviously I'll want to see how worn the components are when I go to check the bike out in person, but those components for the price seems like a good deal at first glance, am I missing something??

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    That bike has a ton of nice parts. Go check the bike out, see if anything is worn. Check the chain stretch if you want, look at the gears. Most importantly, ride it and shift through the gears, go over some bumps, use the brakes. Ask if he ever rebuilt the fork etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brounstoun View Post
    Thanks for the reply, captainjoon.

    The guy is asking $970.

    I was a little surprised by GoToDengo's appraisal for ~$800, because that would mean some astronomical depreciation on the upgrades. I mean, the bike was $850 new, so were talking $2300 -> a few hundred bucks in 1-2 years?? That amount of devaluation is mind boggling.

    Obviously I'll want to see how worn the components are when I go to check the bike out in person, but those components for the price seems like a good deal at first glance, am I missing something??

    It's a good deal. If you can pay $800 would be an awesome deal. Pay a grand it's just OK at best. The seller would make more $$$ parting it out. A lot of people would look at the bike and model not upgrades put on the bike+it's used. If the seller bought all the upgrades new and sell it at that price then it's not very smart, he may have put together a used part on the bike.

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    One warning, if you get the bike measure the spacer stack and check the max for the fork. Maybe it's the angle of the pics, but that looks like too high of a stack.

    Also, he may have bought all those parts at year end blow out prices or used, so MSRP doesn't really mean a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProjectDan35 View Post
    That bike has a ton of nice parts. Go check the bike out, see if anything is worn. Check the chain stretch if you want, look at the gears. Most importantly, ride it and shift through the gears, go over some bumps, use the brakes. Ask if he ever rebuilt the fork etc.
    ^^ exactly.

    I'm not sure how good that frame is, but if the entire bike was $800 to begin with, I'm sure it's not bad. Plus, the great thing about having high grade components is that they are all worth transferring if you ever decide to upgrade the frame.

    Also, bike depreciation is very similar to cars. They instantly lose about 10% value as soon as you drive/ride it out of the show room but for the first 2 to 3 years or so, they lose a small percentage in value each year depending on the quality of the bike and the components.

    By the end of the first 3 years, your bike and components may have lost about 25% or so of its original value.

    Then after that first 3 or so years, the value takes a steep dive until it levels off when they get to around 10 or so years old. By this time, your bike will be worth about 25% or less than its original value.

    Of course, this varies from brands to brands.

    If that Marin was about $800 new...subtract about $600 for extracting the original components...minus 20% for the 2 year old frame...add about $1700 for the 1 year old high end components, you still end up with a actual value of about $1850 or so.

    At $970, it sounds like a steal.

    Offer $850 and see if he bites...

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    Oh, one other thing...

    You will notice varying opinions on the value of that bike from the members here.

    The longer you've been in to this hobby, the more unreasonable you become. It's only natural, because you been more exposed to deals that don't come around too often.

    If you see a set of 2009 XTR brakeset for $150, it's actually an excellent deal...but for me, who's been able to pick up a pair for $90, that $150 pair just doesn't seem like a good deal anymore.

    So, value wise...that bike is a steal. But that doesn't mean everyone here would want to buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    One warning, if you get the bike measure the spacer stack and check the max for the fork. Maybe it's the angle of the pics, but that looks like too high of a stack.

    Also, he may have bought all those parts at year end blow out prices or used, so MSRP doesn't really mean a lot.
    Thanks for the comments everyone,

    Hey TwoTone, can you elaborate on the spacer stack, and what I'd be looking for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainjoon View Post
    Oh, one other thing...

    You will notice varying opinions on the value of that bike from the members here.

    The longer you've been in to this hobby, the more unreasonable you become. It's only natural, because you been more exposed to deals that don't come around too often.

    If you see a set of 2009 XTR brakeset for $150, it's actually an excellent deal...but for me, who's been able to pick up a pair for $90, that $150 pair just doesn't seem like a good deal anymore.

    So, value wise...that bike is a steal. But that doesn't mean everyone here would want to buy it.
    That's a pretty good point... That's why I'm thinking the more perspectives I can get on the possible deal here the better

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    For the price, I'd say its a steal as well. I've been riding for years and I will still say so. For anything more than ~$1000-1100 I'd say is a fair price. Anything higher would be pushing it. I'd aim to get it for somewhere in the $800-900 range if you can swing it. The frame is good, but nothing too special about it (6061 Al is pretty standard). Plus I'd say x9 is great, but I'm partial to SRAM over Shimano! I'd say go for it, hell I've never owned a Chris King headset or PG-990 casette, if you get it get back to me and tell me if their worth the cash!

    EDIT: to comment on the spacers, they look fine to me, at the maximum amount of spacers I would want on the fork, but I've seen more. It also gives you the option to play around with spacers above/below the stem to get a better fit. It's not a bad thing IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brounstoun View Post
    That's a pretty good point... That's why I'm thinking the more perspectives I can get on the possible deal here the better
    Each fork manufacturer will have a maximum height of spacer allowed on the steer tube under the stem. Basically the highest point you can safely attach the stem.

    Just a made up example, but a guess is that number will be around 30mm of spacers under the stem. That stack in the picture looks a lot higher than that.

    hope that helps
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