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    Cool-blue Rhythm Cold Weld Frame Repair!!!

    My chain-stay cracked after one too many drop to flats

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    My frame rebelled against the poor treatment from me and developed a crack. Threatening to hurt me as well if i continued my abuse.

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    With no money and no welder connections. It looked like my drop to flat days were over, if i couldn't fix the frame myself.

    I decided to use an ancient hillbilly technique of "cold welding"

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    I coated the chain-stay with the paste.

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    Then i braced the top and bottom with two pieces of steel. I then secured the mess with steel hose clamps

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    Since i was working on my bike i decide i might as well true the wheel before it brakes too.

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    Do you like my "truing stand"? like I said no money...


    Ill report back with a ride report on the new cold weld technique, but I suspect I wont have any issues.

    Wish me luck

    Fuglio

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    You say you don't have any money, hopefully you have good insurance.
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    IMO,
    All you really did was hide the crack, and thus make it harder to see how much worse it is getting.

    If it doesn't become visible, expect a catastrophic failure somewhere in the future.

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    You created several new stress risers in the repair attempt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    IMO,
    All you really did was hide the crack, and thus make it harder to see how much worse it is getting.

    If it doesn't become visible, expect a catastrophic failure somewhere in the future.
    no way cause if it cracks below the chain stay will have to flex and if that happens the jb weld will crack

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    You created several new stress risers in the repair attempt.

    what are these things you speak of??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post

    what are these things you speak of??
    Areas where the stresses will be concentrated instead of being spread out, namely the ends of the angles used in the repair. With the stress concentrated at the ends there will be a higher likelihood of failure at that point, the angles will also tend to act like a giant shear, possibly tearing the stays in half at either end. At the very least the localized forces are likely to form cracks at those points so keep a very close watch on that repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    no way cause if it cracks below the chain stay will have to flex and if that happens the jb weld will crack
    what are these things you speak of??
    Says the man who is confident in his repair. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    no way cause if it cracks below the chain stay will have to flex and if that happens the jb weld will crack
    Time will tell, but I'll add that you really haven't fixed anything, even if you did hide the problem well, and possibly shift it as D$ has pointed out.

    Keep a very close eye on things, and expect the worst.
    JB Weld isn't designed to do what you have done with it, and it is no where near as strong as that frame tube is, in tension or compression.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/frame-buildin...ame-97168.html

    Will "JB Weld" work for my bike frame?

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    The cold weld is just to hold the steel braces in place...... the crack grew about 1/8" on one ride so i think the stress area was all ready concentrated. ... time will tell but not much time i got a new huck to flat i built and haven't been able to try out yet since i was worried about my frame braking so next weekend ill know for sure

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    double facepalm

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    OP, you can do a bit better job than that, and maybe even avoid death or severe injury with a little bit of carbon fiber cloth.

    You've already got some epoxy in the form of the JB Weld.

    Cut all that crap away and start again using epoxy and several wraps of carbon fiber.

    Wrap all that up with electrical tape to squeeze out excess resin and to ensure the resin has fully saturated the cloth.

    The swing arm is toast btw, since the aluminum has fatigued. Welding will only weaken it further since the heat treating will be lost.

    One more thing, drill out the ends of the crack, before re-repairing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    The cold weld is just to hold the steel braces in place...... the crack grew about 1/8" on one ride so i think the stress area was all ready concentrated. ... time will tell but not much time i got a new huck to flat i built and haven't been able to try out yet since i was worried about my frame braking so next weekend ill know for sure
    Just go hit a square curb a few times, and don't blame us ... We warned you !

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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    OP, you can do a bit better job than that, and maybe even avoid death or severe injury with a little bit of carbon fiber cloth.

    You've already got some epoxy in the form of the JB Weld.

    Cut all that crap away and start again using epoxy and several wraps of carbon fiber.

    Wrap all that up with electrical tape to squeeze out excess resin and to ensure the resin has fully saturated the cloth.

    The swing arm is toast btw, since the aluminum has fatigued. Welding will only weaken it further since the heat treating will be lost.

    One more thing, drill out the ends of the crack, before re-repairing.

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    Agreed ... So why even bother ?
    At best it's a band-aid on a severed carotid artery.

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    I'm trying to save him from getting hurt.

    Done properly the repair I suggested could last a long long time.

    What he's done isn't safe at all.

    Obviously my best advice would be a new swing arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    I'm trying to save him from getting hurt.

    Done properly the repair I suggested could last a long long time.

    What he's done isn't safe at all.

    Obviously my best advice would be a new swing arm
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    Understood, and I agree ... The OP really needs to spend some money at this point.

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    No replacement parts available its a grey market frame that discontinued anyways. 2006 .

    Im kinda dis hartend. Really thought i would be impressing people with my ingenuity.. ...

    Frame was a loss before ... i at least streached it out for normal duties till the end of the season..

    No more drops to flat on it... sucks really thought i had the thing fixed thanks for talking some sence into me.

    Good news is that my friend will letvme borrow his highline to de virginize the drop. Then illbat least have a landing spotted to build up.....

    Time to start saving up....

    Wanted to be optimistic but this time its better to be realalistic....

    You guys suck im all bummed now

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    Better to be bummed and have us seem like we suck than to have a bike part jammed in your body when that ghetto repair fails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore View Post
    Better to be bummed and have us seem like we suck than to have a bike part jammed in your body when that ghetto repair fails.
    No
    I think its fine for regular riding .. rollers... drops with transitions .. fast rocky shit.....

    Asking it to handle a hard bottem out is to much.

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    Aww man, I was looking forward to you nailing the drop on the bike and proving everyone wrong...
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    If it were my frame, I wouldn't be riding it at all. Others have posted above the details of why, I can only add that I see it the same....very dangerous. To say it can/cannot take x/y/z types of riding is just asking for a really bad crash caused by total failure.

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    Okay, the OP is now posting this in other forums as advice as a suitable fix. Please stop, this is as ghetto a repair as there ever was and should not be used as an example of a repair.

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    I found this mentioned somewhere on the interwebs...

    "JB lists its strength at 3960 PSI, which is a little stronger than the
    best values for wood but less than bamboo. So it should be OK for a
    spruce, yellow pine or oak bicycle frame but inadequate a frame made
    of high-performance bamboo tubing."

    You really should test it out on a pine bike before you risk life and limb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    No
    I think its fine for regular riding .. rollers... drops with transitions .. fast rocky shit.....

    Asking it to handle a hard bottem out is to much.
    I'm not trying to be rude, but your saying you think your repair is fine when you didn't have the basic knowledge to drill the ends of the crack.
    You really don't have any idea of what you're doing and slapped this half ass repair on your frame and calling it all good.

    I just hope you don't end up in the hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Okay, the OP is now posting this in other forums as advice as a suitable fix. Please stop, this is as ghetto a repair as there ever was and should not be used as an example of a repair.
    Join up and link back to this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    You guys suck im all bummed now
    Best line I have seen on MTBR. My new sig, me thinks...
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    You guys suck im all bummed now

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    I found this mentioned somewhere on the interwebs...

    "JB lists its strength at 3960 PSI, which is a little stronger than the
    best values for wood but less than bamboo. So it should be OK for a
    spruce, yellow pine or oak bicycle frame but inadequate a frame made
    of high-performance bamboo tubing."

    You really should test it out on a pine bike before you risk life and limb.
    .. the jb weld is there to keep the steel braces and hose clamps together...


    You guys may be right and i agree its not suitable for hard flat drops but ill keep it on and report back....



    i might hurt my self. ..... but it is mountain biking i get hurt all the time

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    Oh hell no, this is a very bad idea. Now go ride that thing and have next of kin report back.

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    Holy shyt...

    There are a bunch of people in here giving you solid feedback on the integrity of this "repair" and I sincerely hope you listen to them, OP.

    Why you would post this in the Beginner sub is mind blowing -- PLEASE anyone reading this don't do it.
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    A few days of time to test the theory of repair integrity, but not having done so ... Hmmm.

    Maybe we're getting through

    OP,
    Are you still alive ?

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    I built a 3 foot drop to flat in my back yard ill post vid tommorow...... i wanted to give the cold weld time to cure......

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    Cure Time 15-24 Hours
    J-B Weld | Original Cold Weld Formula Steel Reinforced Epoxy

    Strength 3960 PSI
    I'm not going to encourage you to get hurt.

    Take a rubber mallet and smack it real hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    I'm not going to encourage you to get hurt.

    Take a rubber mallet and smack it real hard

    The rubber mallet is for fixing flat spots in my rims.


    So i get a vid up of my back yard test .. then depending on the status Ill be taking it to Angle fire this weekend!!! Sweet

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    ^Sweet! Can't wait to see the vid...hopefully you prove some people wrong!
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    Please don't, your frame flexes, epoxy (what JB weld is, "cold welding" is an entirely different beast) has no flex. This WILL catastrophically fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLcheesehead1 View Post
    ^Sweet! Can't wait to see the vid...hopefully you prove some people wrong!
    Hopefully he doesn't get hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Hopefully he doesn't get hurt.
    Yeah, hopefully we hear back soon...I would definitely wear a helmet, probably a cup too
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    OP, you are beign irresponsibly STUPID, telling other people to actually go ahead and do this on other threads. Your actions go beyond trolling and could actually do bodily damage to other people. Go on and seriously hurt or kill yourself with your moronic "repair" if you so wish, but dont con others into doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLcheesehead1 View Post
    Yeah, hopefully we hear back soon...I would definitely wear a helmet, probably a cup too
    If he's really not lucky, he'll be out a frame, rear wheel, or leg, as he attempts to keep riding an unrepairable frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    If he's really not lucky, he'll be out a frame, rear wheel, or leg, as he attempts to keep riding an unrepairable frame
    If i loose the frame and rear wheel ill make a unicycle

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    This is not a question of if the bike will fail but when. It may not happen for a few rides or a few months, but when you go bombing down a fast downhill or off of a drop, I can guarantee that the bike will crack even further.

    Surprised you didn't use hot glue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore View Post
    This is not a question of if the bike will fail but when. It may not happen for a few rides or a few months, but when you go bombing down a fast downhill or off of a drop, I can guarantee that the bike will crack even further.

    Surprised you didn't use hot glue.
    Don't be silly, hot glue doesn't have Weld in it's name!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore View Post
    This is not a question of if the bike will fail but when. It may not happen for a few rides or a few months, but when you go bombing down a fast downhill or off of a drop, I can guarantee that the bike will crack even further.

    Surprised you didn't use hot glue.
    Uhhh ...

    1. All frames Fail eventually

    2. My frame was a loss. (I had no options to fix it legitimately)

    3. I don't actually think I fixed my frame, I'm just trying to stretch its life to the end of the season

    4. The JB Weld isn't doing anything(The steel splints and steel hose clamps are doing all the work)

    5. If I used hot glue it would have been a "hot" weld and not a cold one

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    Good job!

    First, I know this is a very poor test. The weekend is coming and so is Angle Fire!!!




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    before


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    After... no real surprises yet

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    Where are you located...for the price of the JB weld and the two hose clamps you probably could have bought a new 18" section of tube and you could have found a guy like me to tig weld you in that new section for a six pack of beer and a couple hours of BS time.

    Not dissing your bravado or you McGyver ingenuity just saying it helps to ask before you leap sometimes. There's good people out there willing to give of their time and talent. Just saying is all....Carry on.
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    Ok, I'll be the first;
    That repair could possibly last a long time. Good luck man.

    (I'm not saying I would ride it, but I appreciate the effort!)

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    the chainstay has a pivot point on it don't know if that matters.
    i think the braces will hold it together long enough to get some extra mileage. I was looking at used frames on pink bike and ill be able to scoop up another drop to flat bike before im done with it.

    i live in albuquerque beer is standard currency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    the chainstay has a pivot point on it don't know if that matters.
    i think the braces will hold it together long enough to get some extra mileage. I was looking at used frames on pink bike and ill be able to scoop up another drop to flat bike before im done with it.

    i live in albuquerque beer is standard currency
    Sure you'll get some extra mileage ... I've been saying eventually, all along.

    The thing is, how bad might you get hurt when it does fail !

    Glad you're looking for a replacement.

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    Nice vid, Looked pretty solid there
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    Quote Originally Posted by abelfonseca View Post
    OP, you are beign irresponsibly STUPID, telling other people to actually go ahead and do this on other threads. Your actions go beyond trolling and could actually do bodily damage to other people. Go on and seriously hurt or kill yourself with your moronic "repair" if you so wish, but dont con others into doing it.
    People dumb enough to trust every thing they read on the internet are probably not strangers to random bodily damage to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    My frame rebelled against the poor treatment from me and developed a crack. Threatening to hurt me as well if i continued my abuse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    i might hurt my self. ..... but it is mountain biking i get hurt all the time
    Let us know when it happens again

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    Dain Bramage is terrible to witness, please for the love of dog at least wear a helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Dain Bramage is terrible to witness, please for the love of dog at least wear a helmet.
    Im not going to wear a helmet in my back yard doing a "napolean dynamite" sweet jump


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    Yea, cause ya know, a broken frame will only kill you on a trail.

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    Seen plenty of broken chainstays, haven't seen anybody die from one.
    Willing to be nobody else has either.
    It can't be any weaker than early 2000s Specialized FSR stays. I used to break those things every few months, at best.

    Beat that thing to pieces!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Seen plenty of broken chainstays, haven't seen anybody die from one.
    Willing to be nobody else has either.
    It can't be any weaker than early 2000s Specialized FSR stays. I used to break those things every few months, at best.

    Beat that thing to pieces!

    No kidding. Ive broken 1 chain stay and it wasnt bad at all.

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    Not as bad as when i Tacoed my front wheel. That was a good wreck

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    and bracing a cracked chain stay may not be the safest thing to do, but im much more worried about the head tube cracking on my 80mm xc bike that i threw a 140mm fork on

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    now thats stupid
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    Boy, you're just full of well thought out mods aren't you? Don't answer, remember........

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    I guess our values just don't line up. To me safety comes first, I've already been under the knife and it's not a pleasant experience I wish to repeat any time soon. I understand we all take risks, but I do what I can to reduce those risks.

    I wish you well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Boy, you're just full of well thought out mods aren't you? Don't answer, remember........

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    Yea that frame is sketchy as hell. BUT i learned the sound of flexing metel on it casing a gap jump. It was hearing that same sound from my other frame that gave me cause to check and find the crack i repaired
    Also

    Dont mind the back an forth shit talking. I enjoy it, but please come with somthing fresh. I last heard that duct tape joke 15yrs ago on the "Blue collar comedy tour"

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    I wouldn't worry about that 140mm fork. The headtube area looks plenty beefy on that bike. You probably slackened the angle from 71 to 68.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I wouldn't worry about that 140mm fork. The headtube area looks plenty beefy on that bike. You probably slackened the angle from 71 to 68.

    I should just brace it with steel splits and jb weld.

    Na that frame is getting swapped with and NS Bikes surge. If the boat ever males it.. been waiting months

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Dain Bramage is terrible to witness, please for the love of dog at least wear a helmet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Im not going to wear a helmet in my back yard doing a "napolean dynamite" sweet jump


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    Since this thread has devolved to a log of bad choices and poor judgement.......

    Heres the latest


    My getting too close to a camera shy reptile.. (i gave him a peace offering )


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Since this thread has devolved to a log of bad choices and poor judgement.......

    Heres the latest


    My getting too close to a camera shy reptile.. (i gave him a peace offering )


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    Did you pick up and dispose of said peace offering when you were finished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Did you pick up and dispose of said peace offering when you were finished?
    Fineshed what?

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    Re: Cold Weld Frame Repair!!!

    Please don't get anyone else killed. Don't mess around with structural work if you haven't got a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    Please don't get anyone else killed. Don't mess around with structural work if you haven't got a clue.

    anyone else?? what are you talking about??

    how often do you crash>? im just curious if you have a clue what your talking about.

    describe the scenario where the chain stay explodes and then i die. i want to know.


    Because in my mind it will happen like this

    Drop to flat bike breaks i keep falling most likely twist an ankle or tear my knee a little.

    on a turn. chain stay gives i wash out and eat shit just like every other rear wheel wash out

    through a rock garden chain stay breaks grabs rock and i land in the rock garden and (ouch)

    hauling ass on an open section probably the worst. a high speed otb not good.

    all these assume catastrophic failure that's sudden and severe. if the chain stay bends and flexes it will lockup the back wheel.

    if the frame is flexing or moving it will shatter the brittle jb weld


    most likely scenario is this

    I keep riding my bike till the end of the season (all be it not as rough as normal)
    then in the height of the Canadian winter i get another 400 2007-2010 used free ride from some canuk off pink bike

    and riiiiiiiiiiiiddddeeeeee into the sunset


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    i really think a good portion of the people telling me ill get SERIOUSLY hurt if i wreck when my frame breaks have little experience wrecking or braking frames.

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    Cold Weld Frame Repair!!!

    This thread gave me a good laugh lol! I actually took a sheet metal/metal working class for aviation mechanics and I can honestly say that repair goes against EVERYTHING a legitimate repair is.

    To the OP, these guys are trying to help you but it's your body to screw up in the end lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakerz View Post
    This thread gave me a good laugh lol! I actually took a sheet metal/metal working class for aviation mechanics and I can honestly say that repair goes against EVERYTHING a legitimate repair is.

    To the OP, these guys are trying to help you but it's your body to screw up in the end lol.

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    How would you have fixed it?

    Like i said earlier at first i thought i done good.

    Its definetly not a UL listed repair but its good enough

    Wish me luck at angle fire that will be the real test

    More pics and vids to come wish me luck ill report back on sumday homies

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    Without knowing the series of aluminum that was used, I'll say ... A proper fix would require a TIG welder, and a heat treatment process ... And it wouldn't be worth it, when compared to replacing the cracked component.

    Welcome to the negative of an aluminum frame ... When they get damaged this way, it's best to send it to the recycling center, and get another one.

    To give you the short answer to the question "How would you have fixed it? "
    I wouldn't !!

    It's a structural component that just isn't worth repairing.

    Replacement, Replacement, Replacement !

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    Also,
    Your continued reference to getting hurt being part of MTBing ... Well, yea, it does come with the territory.

    But your insistence in riding failed components, that are held together with hose clamps, well ... I'm reminded of a phrase by Forrest Gump, and I'm not thinking about chocolates

    Best of luck at Angle Fire.
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    First post and all, I love these type of fixes and I'm rooting for the OP, however you should heavily consider the advice given as it is all sound and will improve your situation.... BTW can you help me repair my Ironhorse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Also,


    saying "Ride Safe" has no meaning in your World.
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    Lol it really doesn't.

    I started riding about 3 years ago and it took 2 and a half years to find like minded riders. we are few and far between

    I appreciate your input and your courtesy


    the fix was always tongue in cheek and is more of an experiment then anything.

    However the frame is cracked and i am riding it on a world cup down hill course tomorrow. So i do trust the fix enough for that. If it brakes on me i doubt very much that the damage to my body would be worse then if i bit the pooch on some of the more technical features I've done. So I'm used to the risk. I'm not a very fast downhill-er. and honestly I'd rather have my frame brake at a resort then on a 45 mile all day "tour-DE-gnar" in the middle of the national forest.

    to me the risk isn't as great as some that have commented on this thread would believe. It just adds a tiny bit of spice to the ride know that I'm ridding a ticking time bomb

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenDerWuz View Post
    First post and all, I love these type of fixes and I'm rooting for the OP, however you should heavily consider the advice given as it is all sound and will improve your situation.... BTW can you help me repair my Ironhorse?

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    how did you not die????????? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Anybody else here reminded of the "Jeep Bike" thread?

    Hey OP, you're a pioneer in my book.....a trail blazer of sorts. Just wear a helmet and you'll be just fine.
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    Honestly it was the most gentile failure, kinda wish it was some crazy gnarly story, but I was truly blessed, I hopped a small root and when i landed the frame broke and the main ring contacted the dirt and slowed me down if it happen 5 min prior there would have been a good chance of me getting jacked up! That bike had stress cracks where the seat post hits the bottom bracket I was so focused on those I missed the one on the back of the bracket....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    how did you not die????????? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Make light all you want, while death may be the extreme end, you could end up very seriously injured and you know that.

    Yes it's a risk we all take every time we ride, but there are degrees of risk and what you do to minimize them.

    Riding a frame that has been repair like that I'm sorry to say but just fall under stupid, you've drastically increased the chance of a crash, but hey it's your body, hopefully no one depends on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenDerWuz View Post
    BTW can you help me repair my Ironhorse?

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    Chew and apply as needed.

    DAMN !
    That sure looks like it was fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Lol it really doesn't.

    I started riding about 3 years ago and it took 2 and a half years to find like minded riders. we are few and far between

    I appreciate your input and your courtesy


    the fix was always tongue in cheek and is more of an experiment then anything.

    However the frame is cracked and i am riding it on a world cup down hill course tomorrow. So i do trust the fix enough for that. If it brakes on me i doubt very much that the damage to my body would be worse then if i bit the pooch on some of the more technical features I've done. So I'm used to the risk. I'm not a very fast downhill-er. and honestly I'd rather have my frame brake at a resort then on a 45 mile all day "tour-DE-gnar" in the middle of the national forest.

    to me the risk isn't as great as some that have commented on this thread would believe. It just adds a tiny bit of spice to the ride know that I'm ridding a ticking time bomb
    So what you're really saying is that you have a death wish, and you're gonna use a BROKEN bike to end your life, one day

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Make light all you want, while death may be the extreme end, you could end up very seriously injured and you know that.

    Yes it's a risk we all take every time we ride, but there are degrees of risk and what you do to minimize them.

    Riding a frame that has been repair like that I'm sorry to say but just fall under stupid, you've drastically increased the chance of a crash, but hey it's your body, hopefully no one depends on you.
    Beyond reason, anymore.

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    Sorry OP, but at this point, you're insistence to throw caution to the wind, is earning you the award.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    anyone else?? what are you talking about??

    how often do you crash>? im just curious if you have a clue what your talking about.

    describe the scenario where the chain stay explodes and then i die. i want to know.


    Because in my mind it will happen like this

    Drop to flat bike breaks i keep falling most likely twist an ankle or tear my knee a little.

    on a turn. chain stay gives i wash out and eat shit just like every other rear wheel wash out

    through a rock garden chain stay breaks grabs rock and i land in the rock garden and (ouch)

    hauling ass on an open section probably the worst. a high speed otb not good.

    all these assume catastrophic failure that's sudden and severe. if the chain stay bends and flexes it will lockup the back wheel.

    if the frame is flexing or moving it will shatter the brittle jb weld


    most likely scenario is this

    I keep riding my bike till the end of the season (all be it not as rough as normal)
    then in the height of the Canadian winter i get another 400 2007-2010 used free ride from some canuk off pink bike

    and riiiiiiiiiiiiddddeeeeee into the sunset




    i really think a good portion of the people telling me ill get SERIOUSLY hurt if i wreck when my frame breaks have little experience wrecking or braking frames.
    I didn't read your ill typed scenarios. I'm just saying, don't work on the bikes of other individuals. Don't provide structural work for others. Of any sort. If you want to take on extra risks in an already dangerous sport. You won't last.

    Go make some money. Go to school. Get a new bike.

    I rescinded my advice to take a welding course.

    Perhaps most disappointing about this is your disrespect to the frame itself. What you've done is ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post

    I rescinded my advice to take a welding course.

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    **** how did I miss this thread before! its only been created for some days but still... Fluglio is my hero, amazing repair, great mtbiker this fix inspired me to repair a frame with a broken top tube!

    Thank you Fuglio! Hopefully we get more videos of you testing your repair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    i really think a good portion of the people telling me ill get SERIOUSLY hurt if i wreck when my frame breaks have little experience wrecking or braking frames.
    Eggzacktiklee.

    If you BSed your head tube back on with that joke of a fix, it'd be one thing.
    But for chrissake people, it's a chainstay. Hundreds of them snap weekly. Nobody is dying. Get a grip.

    The OP seems to have a pretty realistic grasp of the risks and the quality of the 'repair'. It's mountain biking; IMO mastery requires both a set of balls and a sense of humor. Dunno why everybody's gotta try to project their fears onto others. 'If you're not as scared as I am, you're doing it wrong.' Errr...okay...

    Hope you kill that poor bike at AF. Hope your buddys get to see it happen, and it turns out funny. Hope you don't impale yourself on your broken chainstay.

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    I'm guessing a few people see nothing wrong with driving a car that has bubble gum as a fix for a leaking reservoir.

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    Hey OP, what do you reckon the tensile strength of those hose clamps is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy03 View Post
    Anybody else here reminded of the "Jeep Bike" thread?
    Ahh, twas a different time then. I fear the troll bubble burst with that thread, the likes of which may never be seen again in these hallowed halls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Eggzacktiklee.

    t for chrissake people, it's a chainstay. Hundreds of them snap weekly. Nobody is dying. Get a grip.

    The OP seems to have a pretty realistic grasp of the risks and the quality of the 'repair'.

    Hope you kill that poor bike at AF.
    I did my best but its still alive and kicking... THAT CHAINSTAY IS STRONG LIKE BULL!!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Understater View Post
    Hey OP, what do you reckon the tensile strength of those hose clamps is?
    No clue but i added an extra one.. also coated the top with silicon so it wouldn't scratch me up when i crashed...
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    The frame held up very well through rock gardens, OTBs, and cased jumps on candy land. I rode the piss out of that bike just like always.

    I know the rear end was put threw the ringer ,I pinched flatted a tire with 60psi two different times. The last time was right at the top

    I was at the top of angle fire with no air in the back tire. I thought to myself "wouldn't it be cool to ride down world cup" Then my better judgement kicked in and decide to ride down a blue trail instead

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    poor rim. it all ready had 4 flat spots... so maybe at this point its just getting more round!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by justamember View Post
    Excellent TR.

    Guess you won't be needin' the HL.
    freeway drop is coming...its a flattie . Ill end up putting a tranie on it to make it hardtail friendly. Cant wait till Wednesday.... Help me build the bike up. and help me hide it from my wife plz

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    You rode a 1.95 at Angelfire? What the hell man? Have you got a death wish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Understater View Post
    You rode a 1.95 at Angelfire? What the hell man? Have you got a death wish?
    Lol i was hoping someone would catch that... i had it at 60 psi and still pinch flatted... Im starting to realize im very back heavy on the bike.

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    So here is my Video.

    Seems like the world didn't want me to ride. Cracked Frame, pinch flats, Lighting closures, friends that couldn't make the ride. It was me against the world. In order to ride I would deny fate and push on.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Understater View Post
    You rode a 1.95 at Angelfire? What the hell man? Have you got a death wish?
    Obviously

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haint View Post
    Someone was shot during your ride.
    And hidden behind silicone and a hose clamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haint View Post
    Someone was shot during your ride.
    Desparado...... the guys in this thred were calling for blood

    They wanted to see somone die . I felt i let them down so i had to give em something. Blood thirsty gouls they are


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    Thats priceless!

    The silicone is the topper. Who gives a frak if my chainstay breaks at 30mph ripping through the trees and I eat it along with all of my teeth and break my hip, as long as I don't get scratched by a frakking hose clamp!

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    That chainstay is fixed... all you guys were wrong.

    None of you knew what you were talking about.

    But now you know it works.

    Enjoy your crow pie.

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    Fixed LOL

    I'm thinking you've crashed one too many times, or actually want to die on an already broken bike.

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