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    Cool-blue Rhythm Build or buy...?

    So as of now I'm a big free rider. However I wanna dip into downhill and such. To the question dude what should I do? I'm in the market for a bike period... Should I buy or build? I know most downhillers like full suspension for obvious reasons, I have never ridden full suspension. Only hard tail, but the suspensions going to help a lot with downhill right? I know building a bike is expensive, thinking of throwing together a Frankenstein. Found a k2 frame for like 140$ but its a hard tail. Let alone never ridden a k2, so I'd love some input on those frames I'm totally up for any suggestions. I'm looking for something of course cheaper since I don't have a huge cash flow. If its a project and takes time why not that seems cool. So what ya say?



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    Ya wanna a D/H bike or a bike that goes down hill?

    Serious question. I can't imagine anyone choosing a ht bike for true d/h over a f/s unless you are talking about smooth smooth fast trails. At least where I live.

    To the point though if you have the time you could scour the net/ebay/pinkbike etc for parts over time. if you have the money and don't have parts to swap over to a new frame then a full build would likely be cheaper, at least for building with new parts.

    If you want a true d/h bike I suggest posting over in the d/h forum and asking for frame advice on the cheap.

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    I always build my bikes from the ground up but I'm been working on bikes for 30 years..

    In your case I will say buy it already build, since building your bike piece by piece can end up far more expensive, plus you need to know the compatibility of each part or if not you will spend even more money and time..

    For now Read READ and rEaD until you figure out what you want..

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto View Post
    I always build my bikes from the ground up but I'm been working on bikes for 30 years..

    In your case I will say buy it already build, since building your bike piece by piece can end up far more expensive, plus you need to know the compatibility of each part or if not you will spend even more money and time..

    For now Read READ and rEaD until you figure out what you want..
    Man that's so much easier said than done. I know what I want to ride, but as far as what bike my price range is low. I'd take an old bike 2000 and up but find those is tough it appears. Ill take a bike that's 10 years old as long as its decent and cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    Man that's so much easier said than done. I know what I want to ride, but as far as what bike my price range is low. I'd take an old bike 2000 and up but find those is tough it appears. Ill take a bike that's 10 years old as long as its decent and cheap.
    Look for an old Speshy Big Hit for an affordable d/h bike

    2003 Specialized Big Hit this one is $550.

    All of Craigslist specialized demo 8 Replace Demo 8 with Big Hit in the search bar

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    Single purpose bike like a xc race bike or DH bike are not cheap. However, used one can be had for very good deal but you gotta look for one that's not too abused. Check out pinkbike.


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    I think the problem is OP is looking California but feeling Minnesota.

    it's a tough find but it's out there...somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    Man that's so much easier said than done. I know what I want to ride, but as far as what bike my price range is low. I'd take an old bike 2000 and up but find those is tough it appears. Ill take a bike that's 10 years old as long as its decent and cheap.
    Even if you have tons of parts are you disposal, still much easier and cheaper to buy a complete bike from somebody that did "their home work" already

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    Looking at your situation, I think you oughtta buy used and then upgrade as you go along.

    For DH, you should be looking at a FS and not a hardtail. Also look at some of the Freeride bikes - they are close to DH bikes but are a tiny bit more versatile.

    Ebay, Craigslist are great starting places to find a used bike. Make sure you know the value of a bike before committing to it, and also make sure you fit the bike since your comfort is probably the most important thing.

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    Well I am most definitely on the hunt! Any. Body knows other good sites to look for the cheaps let me know. I know about pink direct Craig's and eBay. Thanks for the major input everyone. Honestly I just want to get out there bad, I need to ride.

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    Here's a REALLY NICE bike for DH/FR. A little old but it's nice!

    Cannondale Raven Full Suspension Downhill Mountain Bike Carbon Fiber Frame | eBay

    You could ride it and then update it at your lesiure.

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    Another big deal I'm thinking about is a 29er fs. I love that big tire, that's what my stolen specialized was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    Here's a REALLY NICE bike for DH/FR. A little old but it's nice!

    Cannondale Raven Full Suspension Downhill Mountain Bike Carbon Fiber Frame | eBay

    You could ride it and then update it at your lesiure.
    No way is that a really nice bike for DH/FR. That bike is old carbon and it's lucky to to still be rideable let alone excel at anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're going to buy a used full suspension bike then you need to buy one that's less than 10 years old. Anything older and you risk running into non-replaceable suspension technology, wearing/worn out parts which can not be replaced (like linkages or pivot kits), and poorly functioning designs.

    OP, what exactly do you want to ride with your new bike. You say you've never even been on a full suspension bike, how do you know that a DH/FR bike is right for you? DH bikes are a completely purpose built machine. They do not go up hills unless you're pushing them or riding a lift. A FR bike will go uphill begrudgingly but will be very unpleasant to pedal.

    DH/FR bikes are for someone who gets a ride to the top of the hill, if that's not how you would describe your riding, look elsewhere.
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    I get what you're saying. I think hard tail maybe best for me at least as of now.

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    Trek Mountain Bike

    Right now I've got my eye on this one. Any input?
    It seems like a decent trek. Don't think it's a 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    No way is that a really nice bike for DH/FR. That bike is old carbon and it's lucky to to still be rideable let alone excel at anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're going to buy a used full suspension bike then you need to buy one that's less than 10 years old. Anything older and you risk running into non-replaceable suspension technology, wearing/worn out parts which can not be replaced (like linkages or pivot kits), and poorly functioning designs.
    I guess the perception is all relative. I do have a strong background in CF manufacturing etc (we do some aerospace composite work at my engineering company) and would always feel more confident of a CF frame despite its age. Perhaps because I know what to look for and how to inspect for problems, and fix it if necessary.

    Then again, it seems like OP isn't quite sure what he's in for when dealing with a DH/FR bike - the part about hitching rides uphill is the bit you miss in all those helmet cam videos.

    Hardtail or FS, it's all based on what fits you best, Falcon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    Trek Mountain Bike

    Right now I've got my eye on this one. Any input?
    It seems like a decent trek. Don't think it's a 29er.
    Well, there's a big red flag right in the description: "Frame size is 17.5, I'm 6'1"and it fits me." this defies conventional fitting advice. Do you know what size bike you need to be shopping for? That is absolutely the first step in choosing a bike no matter if you get it used, online from a deal site, or new from a dealer.

    Overall, that's a decent looking bike assuming it fits you. Definitely trail capable, the Dart fork isn't my favorite but it's common at this price point especially on a relatively new bike.

    I noticed you are looking at the PGH craigslist, what trails are you planning to ride? That might help determine what bikes are appropriate to be looking at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    Trek Mountain Bike

    Right now I've got my eye on this one. Any input?
    It seems like a decent trek. Don't think it's a 29er.
    Looks like a decent bike. How tall are you? What's your build like? The bike may be a little small for you if you're over 5'10-6'

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    I guess the perception is all relative. I do have a strong background in CF manufacturing etc (we do some aerospace composite work at my engineering company) and would always feel more confident of a CF frame despite its age. Perhaps because I know what to look for and how to inspect for problems, and fix it if necessary.

    Then again, it seems like OP isn't quite sure what he's in for when dealing with a DH/FR bike - the part about hitching rides uphill is the bit you miss in all those helmet cam videos.

    Hardtail or FS, it's all based on what fits you best, Falcon.

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    I'm also an aerospace composites engineer but the thing is that a lot of the early CF stuff the bike companies worked with isn't the same as what everyone is using now. The technology wasn't where we're at now and I've seen enough broken 90's carbon bikes that I offer caution when purchasing one. Add to that what appears to be an old URT design and unknown mechanical condition overall and it becomes less attractive of a purchase.

    A great nostalgic bike to own but money will be better spent on a newer hardtail bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    Looks like a decent bike. How tall are you? What's your build like? The bike may be a little small for you if you're over 5'10-6'

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    I'm 5'11" 200lbs. I was thinking 17.5-19 frame size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    I'm 5'11" 200lbs. I was thinking 17.5-19 frame size.
    I assume the bike's local to you. Go test ride it to make sure it fits since it's important that you feel comfortable on it before you dump money into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    I'm also an aerospace composites engineer but the thing is that a lot of the early CF stuff the bike companies worked with isn't the same as what everyone is using now. The technology wasn't where we're at now and I've seen enough broken 90's carbon bikes that I offer caution when purchasing one. Add to that what appears to be an old URT design and unknown mechanical condition overall and it becomes less attractive of a purchase.

    A great nostalgic bike to own but money will be better spent on a newer hardtail bike.
    You're right in that the technology has changed significantly and I've not had much exposure to 90's carbon frames to see what could happen. Then again I'm known to buy bikes out of nostalgia (hehe still have my Klein Mantra Comp - another crazy URT bike).

    BTW, looks like the Cannondale isn't URT though. The rear suspension pivot is on the frame, above the BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    Well, there's a big red flag right in the description: "Frame size is 17.5, I'm 6'1"and it fits me." this defies conventional fitting advice. Do you know what size bike you need to be shopping for? That is absolutely the first step in choosing a bike no matter if you get it used, online from a deal site, or new from a dealer.

    Overall, that's a decent looking bike assuming it fits you. Definitely trail capable, the Dart fork isn't my favorite but it's common at this price point especially on a relatively new bike.

    I noticed you are looking at the PGH craigslist, what trails are you planning to ride? That might help determine what bikes are appropriate to be looking at.
    Well I will be riding deer lakes, Boyce park moraine. And we will be build a park here in butler at alameda park. So I ride a large amount of different trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    You're right in that the technology has changed significantly. Then again I'm known to buy bikes out of nostalgia (hehe still have my Klein Mantra Comp - another URT bike)

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    Oh man, if I had a the money, I'd probably buy that Raven myself! But if I had to pick one bike over another at that price range I wouldn't choose the Raven first.

    OP, shibi is right in that you need to test ride the bike and see if it fits. I would also suggest (or suggest before you test ride the Trek) that you go to your LBS(s) and test ride some bikes there. At an LBS you get to ride an assortment of bikes back to back in several sizes. Even if you end up buying a bike used or online (be up front with the sales person, a good one will help you even if you might not buy from them) at least you can be pretty confident that the type of bike you choose and the size of bike you choose will be right for what you expect to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    Well I will be riding deer lakes, Boyce park moraine. And we will be build a park here in butler at alameda park. So I ride a large amount of different trails.
    I'm originally from NWPA so I'm reasonably familiar with those trails. Unless you're hitting jumps and drops then a hardtail bike will be a great choice. It'll be a rougher ride than a FS but you won't be out of the realm of what others ride. Even the "FR" stuff in the region like Dr J is fun on a hardtail bike. Short of packing your bike up and riding the lifts at Seven Springs, you won't need a big DH/FR bike.
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    Agreed.... sounds like the bike may be on the small side for you - that's why I was asking about your height/build.

    Odd thing is I'm 5'5" and I like the fit on my Large Spesh (19.5") when I should be riding a 17.5" according to the fit guides. What I'm trying to say is that there's a general guideline to fitment but there are always exceptions. Comfort should come first because that determines your enjoyment level while riding.

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    Seriously I can't thank you guy enough! The amount of knowledge you are dumpin on me rocks. Seriously thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    Agreed.... sounds like the bike may be on the small side for you - that's why I was asking about your height/build.

    Odd thing is I'm 5'5" and I like the fit on my Large Spesh (19.5") when I should be riding a 17.5" according to the fit guides. What I'm trying to say is that there's a general guideline to fitment but there are always exceptions. Comfort should come first because that determines your enjoyment level while riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by shibiwan View Post
    Here's a REALLY NICE bike for DH/FR. A little old but it's nice!

    Cannondale Raven Full Suspension Downhill Mountain Bike Carbon Fiber Frame | eBay

    You could ride it and then update it at your lesiure.
    That's my first mtb model, I have the last year it was made. It's a nice trail XCish bike but it's not a DH/FR bike I believed mine was 80mm f/130mm r. So many recall on that frame, Cannondale ended up replacing it for a Jekyll frame for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    The frame size is 21.5", not likely to fit you.

    If you remember one thing when looking for a bike, remember that it MUST fit. If you're unsure if it will fit or not then you need to start test riding bikes, no other way to know for sure because every brand fits differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrahum View Post
    Oh man, if I had a the money, I'd probably buy that Raven myself! But if I had to pick one bike over another at that price range I wouldn't choose the Raven first.
    It's a fun bike but really you would not want one The bike is loud. Imagine looking for clicks, or creaks in a big one piece hollow carbon fiber frame, not fun. My first encounter was a click in the headtube area and it turned out to be a loose BB

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    So here are a few more bikes I'm checking out let me know if you think the one felt is priced right AT&T 600$
    It's the second link.


    2011 FELT q620 hardtail mountain bike


    Felt Nine Sport 29" Mountain Bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    So here are a few more bikes I'm checking out let me know if you think the one felt is priced right AT&T 600$
    It's the second link.


    2011 FELT q620 hardtail mountain bike


    Felt Nine Sport 29" Mountain Bike
    Both look OK but the first one is probably way too small for you. I can't tell the size of the 2nd one.

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    Going to test ride some bikes tomorrow. Probably at Dirty Harrys in Verona pa.
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    I apologize in advance but I have to inject some common sense and tough questions into this thread. First, is this thread legit???
    Second, OP, you say that you are into free riding now and are doing that on a hard tail. What bike are you riding?
    The reason that I ask is that it appears you don't know much about bikes and I wonder if you are really understanding bike styles and what/how they are designed to ride based on discipline.
    If you are not pulling our chains and do indeed plan on riding true DH, look for an older Specialized Big Hit. On Sorba classifieds, Sorba.org, I've seen a couple go for cheap. Cheap is a relative term though. Prepare to drop at least $1k.
    However, it sounds like you need to start doing your homework and stop shopping until you have all of this figured out. Could be an expensive lesson otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    I apologize in advance but I have to inject some common sense and tough questions into this thread. First, is this thread legit???
    Second, OP, you say that you are into free riding now and are doing that on a hard tail. What bike are you riding?
    The reason that I ask is that it appears you don't know much about bikes and I wonder if you are really understanding bike styles and what/how they are designed to ride based on discipline.
    If you are not pulling our chains and do indeed plan on riding true DH, look for an older Specialized Big Hit. On Sorba classifieds, Sorba.org, I've seen a couple go for cheap. Cheap is a relative term though. Prepare to drop at least $1k.
    However, it sounds like you need to start doing your homework and stop shopping until you have all of this figured out. Could be an expensive lesson otherwise.
    I'm happy to inform you yes this is as you say "legit" perhaps it's not understanding what the bikes do, but the styles of riding I am confused about. Maybe what I do is more preferably considered trail riding. However if you read my original post it simply states I would like to get into DH. But I am looking for something that is more universal. I also said the last bike I owned was a specialized rockhopper disc comp pro that was stolen from me. I also in another post maybe in a completely different thread posted that I had just rode deer lakes park here in pa (maybe more like struggled through) on a 90's model FR diamondback ascent.

    I do appreciated your post considering there are many out there trying to I don't know what you want to call it "pose" or whatever. But I am trying to get opinions and help. I'm currently looking at two bikes a felt of which I have no idea of the size so I emailed the guy. Also a trek who I also emailed and spoke with the guy. Tomorrow the plan is to goto either the trek store in cranberry pa or Dirty Harrys in Verona pa. Honestly I'm new at buying a bike I really think I lucked into that specialized which I bought from a close friend of the same stature as me.



    Thanks again tho if you have any input feel free to let me know.


    Sorry for any errors too typing this on my phone.
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    Also that sorba.org site where are the classifieds? I'm guessing in the forums??
    Thanks for the reference too!
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    OK, got you. I'll put a little more time& thought into this post, then. Grab a cup of joe and read-on.

    When you mentioned that you were really into free riding, I had pictures of Red Bull Rampage running thru my head. Have a look at that video - THAT is free riding, albeit the very extreme end of the spectrum. But, it should give you an idea of what free riding actually is.
    Once you've watched some free riding videos, google it and spend the time watching, do the same for DH. You will get a feel for what DH actually is. There are a couple of videos from Chromag (I think) with a famous rider (forget his name) hitting some DH courses on his hard tail. Search for and watch those too. That will show you what is possible when you have serious bike skills. I'll say that most people who are not Pro-level riders could not ride what he is riding, at the speed that he's riding, on a hardtail. Could YOU ride those trails on HT? Sure you can. Use the brakes liberally, get off and walk the sections that you can't ride and be careful to not crack the frame.

    IMO, everything that is not real DH, Free Riding or XC Racing is trail riding/All Mountain. Most will say that AM is trail riding on steroids and I agree if we need to label riding styles - which in this case I think will help you. That being said, what is the difference between an AM bike and a Trail bike? An AM bike has more suspension, in general, slacker geometry and allows a rider to hit the same lines as they hit on a trail bike but just with a bit less energy/work and at greater speeds - assuming skill level is equal.

    OK, now on to your bike selection. If you don't have high levels of skill, riding DH on a HT is tough Riding DH on a HT that was designed for XC is crazy. That's why most people willk recommend you look for an 7 or 8 inch full suspension bike which is built super toough. Put a rookie on a HT and throw them down a DH course and they are MORE likely to hurt themselves and hurt the bike. A XC/trail design bike will not be burley enough to actually ride most of the course. It can be done I guess but where is the fun in skipping all the DH features on a DH course.

    If you can only have one bike and want it to be as versitile as possible, you should look for an "AM" hard tail. Probably a steel frame, could be burley & aluminum, and will be designed to run a fork in the 140mm to 160mm travel range. Also intended on taking some jumping so it is purpose-built for that type of riding. You're probably looking at about $1k - $1500 used. Could find one around $800 I suppose. If this is outside of your budget, start thinking about getting a good mid-entry level HT, like the Rockhopper that you owned. Know that the bike will limit what you can do on it until your skills improve but I still wouldn't be jumping the bike as it just wasn't built to take that kind of abuse over longer periods of time.

    As for components, regardless of the frame you're eventually going to need a burley wheelset too. Something in the 21mm+ range internal width. You are a bigger guy and skkinny XC wheels are not gogin to serve you well. Fatty tires will also help "diversify" your bike's potential. Big, wide bars and a thru axle fork are going to be a huge help. Last, don't try to ride too aggressive with ultralight XC pedals, you might shear one off. These are all things that you "could" find on an AM HT that is complete but not likely to find on a XC HT like the Rockhopper. It just wasn't built to ride like that and all these parts are intended to ride that way. Is this starting to make sense?

    So, before I go and send this novel to the publisher for editing... I'll summarize.
    -Looking to do true DH riding? Save up and get a true DH bike.
    -Looking for versatilit? Get an AM HT
    -Can't afford a $1000+ bike, get whatever you can BUT MAKE SURE IT FITS YOU.
    -Again, make sure that whatever you get fits you. This is the most important thing of all.

    Link to the SORBA forum that I referenced: www.sorba.org • View forum - Buy & Sell

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    OK, got you. I'll put a little more time& thought into this post, then. Grab a cup of joe and read-on.

    When you mentioned that you were really into free riding, I had pictures of Red Bull Rampage running thru my head. Have a look at that video - THAT is free riding, albeit the very extreme end of the spectrum. But, it should give you an idea of what free riding actually is.
    Once you've watched some free riding videos, google it and spend the time watching, do the same for DH. You will get a feel for what DH actually is. There are a couple of videos from Chromag (I think) with a famous rider (forget his name) hitting some DH courses on his hard tail. Search for and watch those too. That will show you what is possible when you have serious bike skills. I'll say that most people who are not Pro-level riders could not ride what he is riding, at the speed that he's riding, on a hardtail. Could YOU ride those trails on HT? Sure you can. Use the brakes liberally, get off and walk the sections that you can't ride and be careful to not crack the frame.

    IMO, everything that is not real DH, Free Riding or XC Racing is trail riding/All Mountain. Most will say that AM is trail riding on steroids and I agree if we need to label riding styles - which in this case I think will help you. That being said, what is the difference between an AM bike and a Trail bike? An AM bike has more suspension, in general, slacker geometry and allows a rider to hit the same lines as they hit on a trail bike but just with a bit less energy/work and at greater speeds - assuming skill level is equal.

    OK, now on to your bike selection. If you don't have high levels of skill, riding DH on a HT is tough Riding DH on a HT that was designed for XC is crazy. That's why most people willk recommend you look for an 7 or 8 inch full suspension bike which is built super toough. Put a rookie on a HT and throw them down a DH course and they are MORE likely to hurt themselves and hurt the bike. A XC/trail design bike will not be burley enough to actually ride most of the course. It can be done I guess but where is the fun in skipping all the DH features on a DH course.

    If you can only have one bike and want it to be as versitile as possible, you should look for an "AM" hard tail. Probably a steel frame, could be burley & aluminum, and will be designed to run a fork in the 140mm to 160mm travel range. Also intended on taking some jumping so it is purpose-built for that type of riding. You're probably looking at about $1k - $1500 used. Could find one around $800 I suppose. If this is outside of your budget, start thinking about getting a good mid-entry level HT, like the Rockhopper that you owned. Know that the bike will limit what you can do on it until your skills improve but I still wouldn't be jumping the bike as it just wasn't built to take that kind of abuse over longer periods of time.

    As for components, regardless of the frame you're eventually going to need a burley wheelset too. Something in the 21mm+ range internal width. You are a bigger guy and skkinny XC wheels are not gogin to serve you well. Fatty tires will also help "diversify" your bike's potential. Big, wide bars and a thru axle fork are going to be a huge help. Last, don't try to ride too aggressive with ultralight XC pedals, you might shear one off. These are all things that you "could" find on an AM HT that is complete but not likely to find on a XC HT like the Rockhopper. It just wasn't built to ride like that and all these parts are intended to ride that way. Is this starting to make sense?

    So, before I go and send this novel to the publisher for editing... I'll summarize.
    -Looking to do true DH riding? Save up and get a true DH bike.
    -Looking for versatilit? Get an AM HT
    -Can't afford a $1000+ bike, get whatever you can BUT MAKE SURE IT FITS YOU.
    -Again, make sure that whatever you get fits you. This is the most important thing of all.

    Link to the SORBA forum that I referenced: www.sorba.org • View forum - Buy & Sell
    Awesome man I really appreciate all that! Man this spam sucks, I am getting them reported though.

    So I'd like some of your input on these two bikes I'm looking at


    Felt- not sure the size emailed the guy with some questions.

    Felt Nine Sport 29" Mountain Bike


    Also

    The Trek emailed the guy got his wife emailing me back about it.

    Trek Mountain Bike

    Now either today or tomorrow I plan on going to the shop to test ride these bikes or well similar frame sizes.

    The pricing on the felt I'm not so sure of as its two years old and has been ridden, I saw littérateur the same bike only like 15.5 for 350$.

    The trek price though I'm okay with.
    Peace, J.

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    OK, looked at both of those bikes. If the Felt fits you it looks like a good bike to get you out on the trails. The Trek is probably too small for you. I'm 5'8/5'9 and would ride that. You should most likely be on a 18.5 frame knowing what I know about Trek bikes.

    Also, we need to know your max budget. This will help greatly. Also, might want to look through Jensonusa's line up of discounted bikes. Might find something there. i'll poke around and see if anything jumps out at me as a great deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    Awesome man I really appreciate all that! Man this spam sucks, I am getting them reported though.

    So I'd like some of your input on these two bikes I'm looking at


    Felt- not sure the size emailed the guy with some questions.

    Felt Nine Sport 29" Mountain Bike
    I missed the pic on the Felt - looks like it is a 19.5" frame - it's in the pics. That should be about right for you.

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    Honestly right now my budget is limited. I'm looking 750 800 max and that's going to take some talking to get my fiancé on board.
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    ... Continued to my above post. I know it's not a ton to spend but I just need to get out there. That felt that I showed you for the 900$ is that an alright price considering I saw one for like 370$ or something. Is it over priced at 900$??
    Peace, J.

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    looking to stay within your budget, the felt would work. Think the guy is asking $600, no? I'd try and get it down to $500. The Gary Fisher I posted appears to be a good deal. Like you said though, just getting out there is the main objective. You are not going to get an awesome bike. Just make sure that you get a good deal and the bike fits. 50% of retail is about right if the bike is in good shape. If it has barely been ridden, maybe a bit more $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    looking to stay within your budget, the felt would work. Think the guy is asking $600, no? I'd try and get it down to $500. The Gary Fisher I posted appears to be a good deal. Like you said though, just getting out there is the main objective. You are not going to get an awesome bike. Just make sure that you get a good deal and the bike fits. 50% of retail is about right if the bike is in good shape. If it has barely been ridden, maybe a bit more $.
    I have a left over kona nunu .. take a look at those, not to expensive and great bikes imo

    There are always deals on their leftover years ..

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    Don't think I want a single speed though....


    Redline Monocog 29er SS Rigid Steel
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    You're all over the map...

    Quote Originally Posted by Falconrider View Post
    Don't think I want a single speed though....


    Redline Monocog 29er SS Rigid Steel
    Dude! You have run the full gamut from a full on 40lb d/h bike with 8'' of suspension that can't be ridden up hill to a steel SS with zero suspension front or rear. I know you want a bike but I think you really need to take some time to learn about the bikes out there today. Seems as if you have no idea what you want. If you buy something just to get riding you may end up with a useless bike for your needs.

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