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    New question here. Best Hardtail for $600

    I'm new to mountain biking... And not very knowledgeable. I have a ~$600 budget, and I went around checking some stores today.

    It turns out that my first "Internet pick", the Marin B-17, is nowhere to be found, except at REI-outlet, in a small size that isn't going to work for me. Does Marin have a newer replacement for this great bike?

    Speaking of REI, they have a rather nice bike called 08 Novara Panderosa at $670 (http://www.rei.com/product/760853). Does anybody have info on this bike? And Novara bikes in general?

    Is it possible to get anything better with a $600 budget? I know there is no "best", but I'm looking for a good all-around bike.

    I have another question relating to which size of bike I should get. I'm 5'11 with an inseam of 33 inches. So apparently I should get a 19 inch frame. Is this correct?

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    19" should be fine,I'm 5'-10" with a 32" inseam and I ride a 20" that fits pretty good.

    Here's a couple suggestions...

    http://www.ibexbikes.com/Bikes/ALP-650-Details.html

    But if you can,save up a little more for this...

    http://www.ibexbikes.com/Bikes/TR-COMP-X7-Details.html

    It's well worth it IMHO.

    There's others,Iron Horse makes good bikes and checkout Motobecanes,they're well spec'ed for the price.

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    Try a DiamondBack Response Sport 08. I payed $520. Nice STRONG lifetime warranty frame.

    People always stop to check the bike and say how awesome the frame looks.

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    If $600 is the total budget, I think good advice is to spend $500-520 on a bike so you have money left over for bike accessories. You will easily spend $60 on top of the bike. If you plan to get clipless pedals/shoes, you may want to adjust your budget.

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    I had actually noticed the Ibex 650 before. Looks like a nice bike. The X7 is really nice but seriously over the budget

    DiamondBack Response... Originally wanted one, but I feel they are Walmart/Target kind of bikes, like Mangoose. I may be wrong, I'm a noob, this is just a feeling. I'm no racer but they felt really heavy in the store. I want to climb!

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    I think this is a great deal...

    http://www.rscycle.com/s.nl/it.A/id....&category=4959

    Nice specs for the price and you have some money left over for accessories with it being only $399 plus free shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    I had actually noticed the Ibex 650 before. Looks like a nice bike. The X7 is really nice but seriously over the budget

    DiamondBack Response... Originally wanted one, but I feel they are Walmart/Target kind of bikes, like Mangoose. I may be wrong, I'm a noob, this is just a feeling. I'm no racer but they felt really heavy in the store. I want to climb!
    You're wrong about that,DB makes some excellent bikes,those dept. store models are pieces of you know what.I think they get a bad rep because of those crappy dept store bikes.

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    mongoose does too

    they make solid DH bikes

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    Mmh, nice pick there CRed. But at almost 32 lbs, that's starting to get heavy, no? Well I guess it's proportionally to the price, too.

    Sorry about DB, as I said it's just a feeling, I guess it's just a bad strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    Mmh, nice pick there CRed. But at almost 32 lbs, that's starting to get heavy, no? Well I guess it's proportionally to the price, too.

    Sorry about DB, as I said it's just a feeling, I guess it's just a bad strategy.

    Thanks.

    Yeah,weight is usually proportionate to price.At the $600 or less price point you won't get much lighter then that.I have spent $1300 or so on my custom built bike and it weighs in at about 24 Lbs.

    I know what you mean,it's hard to get past the dept. store rep they have,but they really do make good bikes as does Mongoose.

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    Here's another one for you to consider...

    http://www.forgebikes.com/saw5blu.asp

    http://www.target.com/Forge-Sawback-...3Aforge&page=1

    Forge Sawback 5xx 17" Silver

    I still like the Iron Horse better,but there's nothing wrong with having lots of choices,although it can get nerve wrscking I'm sure.

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    From what I have heard Novara & Marin are made by the same company but as normal I cant find the proof.

    The Ibex Alpine 550 is a sweet bike also using X5 shifters & rear der.

    http://www.ibexbikes.com/Bikes/ALP-550-Details.html
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    I am in the same position as you with the budget being 600. I don't want to go too overboard and I've been doing my best to research components to figure out which bike has the best to offer and am pretty much giving up.
    I've also looked at the ibex alpine 550 and the fezzari kings peak
    http://http://www.fezzari.com/produc...XC/14/35#Specs

    If you could help me out too that would be great.
    I have no LBS so that's not much of an issue.

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    I'm also looking into bikes in the $600 and under range. After doing some research and rankings on various bikes, I've come up with the three that seem like the best deals to me.

    Prices may vary in your area by the way:

    Specialized Rockhopper - $519.99
    Gary Fisher Marlin - $589.99 (the non-disc version)
    Ibex Alpine 550 - $604 (with shipping)

    Rockhopper
    - lowest price
    - RockShox Dart 3 fork
    - 29 lbs. (middle of the group)
    - lower end components

    Marlin
    - middle price
    - Dart 2 fork
    - 30.6 lbs (heaviest)
    - Deore components

    Alpine 550
    - most expensive
    - can't try before you buy
    - Marzocchi MZ Race fork
    - 28 lbs. (lightest)
    - SRAM 3.0, X5 components

    Honestly, no one bike seems to blow the others away. The Ibex seems like it might be the best deal, but it kinda sucks that you can't test ride it first. I think the best bang for the buck would be getting a 2006 or 2007 model of a better spec'd bike. What was worth $1000 two years ago shouldn't cost you more than $500 today. Or buy last year's entry level model and upgrade until you hit the $600 mark.

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    Wow, I guess I'm not alone in this boat. $600 is indeed a psychological mark I'm reluctant to top.

    About the Novara = Marin issue, this is very plausible, I mean, look at the similarities between some frames. The only reason I got hooked up to Marin is because they got MTBR's 2007 award. It's funny given it's not produced anymore. Other models may not be specially good.

    It sucks not being able to test ride the Alpine, but frankly, it's like cars, what can you judge during a few minutes of a test ride in a parking lot... But still sucks. But these are lighter bikes in this price range, I like that.

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    You guys should look at the iron Horse that I linked to above,it has better components then all of those mentioned above AND is only $399.That's $120 less then the Rockhopper,$190 less then the Marlin and $204 less then the Ibex.Then you have the Forge which is only $319 and is comparable to the ones metioned above.

    I usually suggest Ibex,but in this case I'd get the Iron horse and use the extra money for other things.The only thing i don't like on it are the shocks,but they're all entry level forks anyways with the Dart 3's being the best of the bunch.It may be a little heavier,but you really have to take the published weights with a grain of salt as they are rarely accurate.

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    There are a few companies that make a quality bike for a low price, IH, Jamis & Ibex off the top here. Test ride as Nibar said hard to tell in a parking lot so mail order isn't that bad a deal. Ibex has excellent CS both in house and on the forums http://forums.mtbr.com/ibex/ which many companies dont have. What is the perfect bike for each person is up to you not other posters, if a Motive turns ya on get it at that price range your fine just dont hit any real trails.
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    Dog is right.Don't let anyone tell you what to get,but it doesn't hurt to have as many choices as possible along with as much information as possible so you can make the best choice for you.I love Ibex bikes,especially their Trophy series.They're just a great value IMHO.

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    i love the marin b-17, i cant say i have veer road one before tho but i do like them a lot components wise
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrOn_MaN
    i love the marin b-17, i cant say i have veer road one before tho but i do like them a lot components wise
    Get it ride it enjoy it thats a awesome bike, not to mention there right here local to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Get it ride it enjoy it thats a awesome bike, not to mention there right here local to me.
    Well, AFAIK B-17 is not manufactured anymore, and I can't find it anywhere. Otherwise I would have bought it on the spot.

    But nobody commented on the Novara? I know it's only sold at REI, so that explains it I guess, but these specs look pretty nice, to me at least:

    Frame AN6 Aluminum
    Fork RockShox Dart 2 w/ Lockout 100mm travel
    Crankset Truvativ Firex 3.1 44/32/22
    Shifters SRAM X-7
    Brakes Avid BB7 Disc
    Brake levers Avid Speed Dial 7
    Front derailleur SRAM X-7
    Rear derailleur SRAM X-9
    Head set Integrated semi-cartridge
    Bottom bracket Truvativ Giga Pipe
    Rear cog SRAM PG-950 11/34, 9-speed
    Front hub Shimano M475 Disc
    Rear hub Shimano M475 Disc
    Rims WTB SpeedDisc
    Tires WTB Raijin 26x2.1
    Stem Truvativ XR 3D
    Handlebar Truvativ XR Riserbar
    Seat post Truvativ XR
    Saddle WTB Pure V Comp
    Pedals Alloy platform
    Chain SRAM 950

    However I can't seem to find information on the weight... At this price ($650) I would expect something around 28 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    Well, AFAIK B-17 is not manufactured anymore, and I can't find it anywhere. Otherwise I would have bought it on the spot.

    But nobody commented on the Novara? I know it's only sold at REI, so that explains it I guess, but these specs look pretty nice, to me at least:

    Frame AN6 Aluminum
    Fork RockShox Dart 2 w/ Lockout 100mm travel
    Crankset Truvativ Firex 3.1 44/32/22
    Shifters SRAM X-7
    Brakes Avid BB7 Disc
    Brake levers Avid Speed Dial 7
    Front derailleur SRAM X-7
    Rear derailleur SRAM X-9
    Head set Integrated semi-cartridge
    Bottom bracket Truvativ Giga Pipe
    Rear cog SRAM PG-950 11/34, 9-speed
    Front hub Shimano M475 Disc
    Rear hub Shimano M475 Disc
    Rims WTB SpeedDisc
    Tires WTB Raijin 26x2.1
    Stem Truvativ XR 3D
    Handlebar Truvativ XR Riserbar
    Seat post Truvativ XR
    Saddle WTB Pure V Comp
    Pedals Alloy platform
    Chain SRAM 950

    However I can't seem to find information on the weight... At this price ($650) I would expect something around 28 lbs.
    http://www.rei.com/product/760853 and click "zoom" it's pretty nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    But nobody commented on the Novara? I know it's only sold at REI, so that explains it I guess
    Did I miss something??

    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    From what I have heard Novara & Marin are made by the same company but as normal I cant find the proof. l

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    huh? I did post the link, it's here http://www.rei.com/product/760853

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    huh? I did post the link, it's here http://www.rei.com/product/760853
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    Have you given any thought about getting a 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    http://www.rei.com/product/760853 and click "zoom" it's pretty nice.
    Yep,not too bad,but is it $270 nicer then the Iron Horse?Looks like you have a lot to think about,eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRed
    Yep,not too bad,but is it $270 nicer then the Iron Horse?Looks like you have a lot to think about,eh?
    I know, I was just thinking that. Do I really need that? Not so sure. The iron Horse may really be an option at this point.

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    What do you guys think of the 06 B-17 closeout for $623 vs the Cannondale F5 for around the same price?
    Last edited by kungfugrip; 06-15-2008 at 12:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    I know, I was just thinking that. Do I really need that? Not so sure. The iron Horse may really be an option at this point.

    It's a nice bike and you wouldn't exactly be settling for it,it has some nice components.The fork is the only thing that bites on it,but with the money you save you could get this....

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...n+Fork+07.aspx

    Or this...

    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...n+Fork+07.aspx


    Excellent budget forks and you'd have a bike you could be proud of..Sell the Marz. on ebay and make up even more of the difference.The 302 would look nice on the Black iron horse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kungfugrip
    What do you guys think of the 06 B-17 closeout for $623 vs the Cannondale F5 for around the price?

    I like the marin,much better components!

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    Geez now Im really confused.. I thought I had it narrowed down... now the B-17 is looking really tempting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kungfugrip
    What do you guys think of the 06 B-17 closeout for $623 vs the Cannondale F5 for around the price?
    Very nice but they have only small sizes left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    Very nice but they have only small sizes left.
    I think I can make the 16 work. Im about 5' 7"

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    You guys are not making this any easier. That Marin does look real nice. Not sure if it's too small for me, I am 5'9, 205 with about a 30" inseam. I have been comparing everything and that just seems to make it more confusing.
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    Im going to call REI in the morning to see if they can shed some light.

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    I think I've had it all figured out now. I will probably go for the Forge. The reason is that I'm not at all hardcore, and this bike has a lot of value for the money. IMO about the same level of components as the Iron Horse and some others, but even cheaper. As people have mentioned earlier, $600 is not a good budget, might as well go up to $1000 and get a really nice one, or get something almost as good as a $600, for $320. Oh, and it turns out their factory is RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from my place!!! Not that it changes anything but it's funny.

    Thanks for the help everybody, and special thanks to CRed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    As people have mentioned earlier, $600 is not a good budget, might as well go up to $1000 and get a really nice one, or get something almost as good as a $600, for $320.
    I dunno, I've found some decent bikes for $600 and under. I see no reason to go up to $1000 for an entry level bike. I probably won't end up buying new just because so many people buy expensive bikes, ride them a few times and sell them at 60% of what they paid. I might look for a leftover '08 when the '09 models come out, another way to save a few bucks.

    Where can you get an Iron Horse? I looked on Dick's Sporting Goods website and all I saw was a women's Iron Horse Maverick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoinkMobb
    I dunno, I've found some decent bikes for $600 and under. I see no reason to go up to $1000 for an entry level bike. I probably won't end up buying new just because so many people buy expensive bikes, ride them a few times and sell them at 60% of what they paid. I might look for a leftover '08 when the '09 models come out, another way to save a few bucks.

    Where can you get an Iron Horse? I looked on Dick's Sporting Goods website and all I saw was a women's Iron Horse Maverick.
    performanceBike.com.Check out the Iron Horse Warrior 3.0 performance exclusive.Many god components and a fork that'll hold you till you can upgrade.They're having a 15% off sale on everything that ends today I think.Check out the "Team Performance"program before making your purchase.They also have stores around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    performanceBike.com.Check out the Iron Horse Warrior 3.0 performance exclusive.Many god components and a fork that'll hold you till you can upgrade.They're having a 15% off sale on everything that ends today I think.Check out the "Team Performance"program before making your purchase.They also have stores around.

    Good deal,BUT if he doesn't get to that in time there's this deal...

    http://www.rscycle.com/s.nl/it.A/id....&category=4959

    It comes out to only $10 so if he misses the sale it's still a good deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibar
    I think I've had it all figured out now. I will probably go for the Forge. The reason is that I'm not at all hardcore, and this bike has a lot of value for the money. IMO about the same level of components as the Iron Horse and some others, but even cheaper. As people have mentioned earlier, $600 is not a good budget, might as well go up to $1000 and get a really nice one, or get something almost as good as a $600, for $320. Oh, and it turns out their factory is RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from my place!!! Not that it changes anything but it's funny.

    Thanks for the help everybody, and special thanks to CRed

    Glad I could help!

    The Forge is very nice with good components,it has a nice frame that can be upgraded as you break or wear out components.Apparently from what I have read it's an Giant XTC frame,but I can't confirm that.

    Enjoy and have fun!

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    B-17 is still manufactured but possibly isn't marketed in North America this year.
    Look here: http://www.marin.co.uk/2008/bikedetail.php?ModNo=3872

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    Quote Originally Posted by xenon
    B-17 is still manufactured but possibly isn't marketed in North America this year.
    Look here: http://www.marin.co.uk/2008/bikedetail.php?ModNo=3872
    But if you look at the specs, this UK 08 is inferior to the US 06. The 08 model is very much like the current US lineup at this pricepoint.

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    Well digging around a little I noticed something very intersting!!

    Marin lists the 16 as a large for the B-17.

    They have 3 sizes for that bike 13 (small), 14 (medium), and 16 (large). The largest diff being the standover height. From what I understand that model has a very different geometry.

    I just ordered one and I guess we will see how it fits... I went with the medium as thats my natural size.

    On another note.. that may help you out if the 16 now works for you.

    Detailed specs
    http://www.marinbikes.com/bicycles_2..._specs_axc.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by kungfugrip
    Well digging around a little I noticed something very intersting!!

    Marin lists the 16 as a large for the B-17.

    They have 3 sizes for that bike 13 (small), 14 (medium), and 16 (large). The largest diff being the standover height. From what I understand that model has a very different geometry.

    I just ordered one and I guess we will see how it fits... I went with the medium as thats my natural size.

    On another note.. that may help you out if the 16 now works for you.

    Detailed specs
    http://www.marinbikes.com/bicycles_2..._specs_axc.pdf
    Mmh, that's kind of what I was thinking too, but then the salesperson at REI said that 16 is a small size and they always manufacture a 19 too... He said that the 19 was not there because they only show available sizes. So I was stupid enough to trust him, but from your PDF, it seems like you are very right. I will call Marin tomorrow to check on that.

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    For me, the Marin Alpine 29er is very high on my list of ~$600 bikes.
    http://www.rei.com/product/762209
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    I still havn't decided on what I'm going to get yet. Which do you think would be a bit better. I know that they are both close but the iron horse http://http://www.rscycle.com/s.nl/it.A/id.14617/.f?sc=7&category=4959 or the forge http://http://www.forgebikes.com/saw5sl.asp I appreciate it guys. JAWZ
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    Quote Originally Posted by jawz pgt
    I still havn't decided on what I'm going to get yet. Which do you think would be a bit better. I know that they are both close but the iron horse http://http://www.rscycle.com/s.nl/i...&category=4959 or the forge http://http://www.forgebikes.com/saw5sl.asp I appreciate it guys. JAWZ
    Just ordered the Forge. It's almost $100 cheaper for similar components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jawz pgt
    I still havn't decided on what I'm going to get yet. Which do you think would be a bit better. I know that they are both close but the iron horse http://http://www.rscycle.com/s.nl/i...&category=4959 or the forge http://http://www.forgebikes.com/saw5sl.asp I appreciate it guys. JAWZ
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    check out this website.www.oneinfinitemarketplaces.com.I saw an ad here on mtbr.Don't know much about it though,but check it out.I saw some Kona bikes there.I think that site is hooked up with ebay.I had a hard time visiting it the second time.See if you can navigate it.

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