Results 1 to 46 of 46
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19

    2012 Giant Yukon FX $700 VS 2014 Talon 27.5 4 $700

    I will be going uphill quite a bit but there is a big discount on the yukon. I just can't decide which is a better buy....

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    91
    Are they both brand new?

    Just based off of original MSRP it looks like the Yukon is the better value with the original MSRP of $1050.

    From what I can tell the Yukon is a full suspension bike (or has a rear suspension) and the Talon is a front suspension/hardtail. Not sure if that affects your decision and how you will be using the bikes.

    Without knowing much about bikes and if both bikes are brand new with lbs support I'd get the Yukon.

    Here is the bicycle blue book value for the Yukon but it is probably assuming that it is used too:
    2012 Giant Yukon FX - New and Used Bike Value

    If the Yukon is used, I might still consider it but it would depend on the condition and might ask them to go lower on the price, depending on how much you want it. I'm not sure if you would be able to negotiate the Talon a little bit more.

    This is all just based off of the price of the bikes and I'm not familar with either one or the components and what type of bike would be good for riding uphill.

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    Both are brand new

  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    at the local LBS

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Orthoguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    273
    Ride both and see which you prefer. With that being said my girlfriend started with and kept her 2011 Yukon. The bike has over 3000 mtb miles and she raced a full season this year including the 5 points 50 and Swank. Hell she has even done the Pisgah enduro on it. I have tried to get her to upgrade for the last year but she refuses. I have put a Recon gold fork, Shimano 2x10, and Shimano brakes on it. At 28 pounds I joke that she has the most blinged out Yukon on the planet. I don't think you can go wrong with it.

    I started on a Giant Talon a few years ago and loved it. Best climbing bike I have ever had. But I have a 44 year old back and it beat the hell out of me so I moved to an Anthem x29.

    Good luck!
    I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate vegetables.

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    91
    I just looked into it further. Apparently the Yukon is a lower end FS bike with lower end parts. Okay value for the money when looking at full suspension bikes. Plus it sounds like hardtails are better for going uphill. Didn't look too much into the Talon.

    So I still like the Yukon for the price. But without negotiating for a new bike before, I think they can do better on the price for the Talon.

    It sounds like the Talon might suit your purposes more, but that discount on the Yukon is kind of appealing. I'm not sure how much the rear suspension affects going uphills, like you need.

    What's your experience and what kind of rides do you do, to give other people a better idea on which one might be better for you? When you say uphill what do you mean?

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    I am just starting to Mountain Bike again. I am still shaky on going down too fast. I know I will be climbing a lot. I think I can get the talon for 600. Its just that Yukon price that is hanging me up.

  8. #8
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    By uphill, I mean climbing 3000 feet to get to the fun parts of the ride in Socal.

  9. #9
    Fat-tired Roadie Moderator
    Reputation: AndrwSwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    18,174
    Much as I hate to admit it, my FS is better on the way up than my hardtail.

    The Yukon FX is about the best-regarded FS in that price range. Price range being a big caveat. I don't have saddle time on it myself.

    What forks are on each bike? Still have your old bike? Can you test-ride on trails?
    "Don't buy upgrades; ride up grades." -Eddy Merckx

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    91
    Here are the specs for the bikes that he is looking at:
    Talon 27.5 4 (2014) - Bikes | Giant Bicycles | United States
    SR Suntour XCT MLO, w/lockout, 100mm travel


    Yukon FX (2012) - Bikes | Giant Bicycles | United States
    SR Suntour XCM V3 w/ Lockout, 100mm Travel

    I'm not sure if the Giant Air mentioned in the specs is the rear shock.

    Since the Talon comes with hydraulic brakes, I assume that means the rest of the components are higher end compared to the Yukon, which comes with mechanical brakes. Personally I prefer mechanical brakes, due to its simplicity(but have no experience with hydraulics), but I guess the rear shock/suspension might balance out the complicated parts on the bike compared to the Talon.

    Also Orthoguy brings up a good point in test riding the bikes. If one of them doesn't fit well, there's no point in considering it.

  11. #11
    29ers Forever
    Reputation: CannondaleF9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,293
    The thing I say about the Yukon is that it is too cheap for a FS bike. Buy the Talon, it has better components and is a better frame. The Yukon has no rear lockout anyway.

  12. #12
    Fat Is Where It's At Moderator
    Reputation: DiRt DeViL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    5,322
    Talon, a cheap FS is a waste of money.

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Orthoguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    273
    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    The thing I say about the Yukon is that it is too cheap for a FS bike. Buy the Talon, it has better components and is a better frame. The Yukon has no rear lockout anyway.
    Better frame? I disagree, the frame is fantastic on the Yukon. The rear suspension is a carbon copy of the Maestro and the rear "Giant air" shock while it does not have a lock out, works surprisingly well. 3000 mtb miles on ours and we have yet to have to rebuild it. I certainly don't get that mileage on my RP's and RP2's between rebuilds.

    In my opinion the Suntour forks on both bike are just terrible and would be the first thing I changed out. The Hayes MX-5 brakes worked surprisingly well and we changed them out basically just to save weight.

    The shifting worked well for about a year before it started getting a bit "ambiguous".
    I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate vegetables.

  14. #14
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    455
    Neither one of those bikes have great drivetrain on them, they are decent and will do the job but once they break or if you get the mod bug it will almost be better to buy another bike than to put the money in those bikes unless you are the type to never sell a bike until it is totally done.

    I am older as well (39) so the FS has more allure to me, I could ride a hardtail and once I get a CX bike might even think about a HT in the next 2 years but for now FS is great for me.

    I would lean towards the FS bike, but I would buy it to ride it and make sure ou enjoy the sport, if you really take off start saving the money up and look towards a Giant Anthem down the road.

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    10,155
    For your budget neither bike is the best choice with at least a $200 fork upgrade and more down the road. A BD Gravity Point 3 has X7 drive and a RockSox XC32 TK fork you do not need to upgrade for $750 shipped. The geo is better than the steeper setup Giant hasn't upgraded in years.
    Save up to 60% off new Mountain Bikes - MTB - Gravity 29Point3 29er Mountain Bikes
    Ride a Trek X-Cal 8 to see if you might like it.

  16. #16
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    Quote Originally Posted by eb1888 View Post
    For your budget neither bike is the best choice with at least a $200 fork upgrade and more down the road. A BD Gravity Point 3 has X7 drive and a RockSox XC32 TK fork you do not need to upgrade for $750 shipped. The geo is better than the steeper setup Giant hasn't upgraded in years.
    Save up to 60% off new Mountain Bikes - MTB - Gravity 29Point3 29er Mountain Bikes
    Ride a Trek X-Cal 8 to see if you might like it.
    The gravity sounds good. Have you ridden one?

  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    Hmmm. I do really like the Trek X-Cal 8. Seems like a better price for the components than the 2014 talon 1 at 1380.

  18. #18
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    476
    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    The thing I say about the Yukon is that it is too cheap for a FS bike. Buy the Talon, it has better components and is a better frame. The Yukon has no rear lockout anyway.
    I had a 2009 Yukon frame built up with with nicer parts for a couple seasons. It's a pretty impressive frame for the cost. Pedals quite nice.

  19. #19
    29ers Forever
    Reputation: CannondaleF9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,293
    Quote Originally Posted by welker666 View Post
    Hmmm. I do really like the Trek X-Cal 8. Seems like a better price for the components than the 2014 talon 1 at 1380.
    The X-Cal is a great bike, and the 29er wheels are a major improvement.

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    This is an impossible decision. Kona kahuna?

  21. #21
    29ers Forever
    Reputation: CannondaleF9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    3,293
    Quote Originally Posted by welker666 View Post
    This is an impossible decision. Kona kahuna?
    In that category, the Trek X-Cal 8 would be the best option. The Kona Kahuna costs $200 more than the 8, and has the same level spec.

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jearl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    209
    Out of the Talon and the Yukon, I say the Talon. I own a Talon and after I swapped the front fork it has been great. Looking at reviews on both bikes the Talon has a much better review. The best advise though would be, if possible test ride both and go with the one you like the most.
    Now If you are starting to look at other bikes, look at airborne. Better components and really good reviews.

    Airborne Bicycles. Guardian 2.0

    Good luck.
    "Ideal bikes are not bought, they evolve beneath you"

  23. #23
    Fat-tired Roadie Moderator
    Reputation: AndrwSwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    18,174
    I have an ulterior reason to like Konas, but I think you were on the right track looking at used bikes. The pricepoint between $600 and $1700 is a bit of a wasteland.
    "Don't buy upgrades; ride up grades." -Eddy Merckx

  24. #24
    mtbr member
    Reputation: time229er's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    973
    Quote Originally Posted by welker666 View Post
    By uphill, I mean climbing 3000 feet to get to the fun parts of the ride in Socal.
    if you climb 3000', don't you have to DH 3000'...? it works that way around here anyway...alot of times I would much rather just do that gravity ditty!

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    So there is the "Gravity" and The "Airborne" Mail order. But it seems like the Trek X-Cal 8 Wins price and specwise from a shop right?

  26. #26
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    The airborne seeker seems to be the hands down winner, though.

  27. #27
    Fat-tired Roadie Moderator
    Reputation: AndrwSwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    18,174
    Do you still have your old bike?
    "Don't buy upgrades; ride up grades." -Eddy Merckx

  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    No, I sold it quite awhile ago

  29. #29
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    I have a giant roam that I have been using to commute and take into he local trails. Great all around bike but a bit scary in the dirt and down hills.

  30. #30
    Fat-tired Roadie Moderator
    Reputation: AndrwSwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    18,174
    The Roam's a hybrid, right?

    If you're doing the catalog thing, you sacrifice the opportunity to test-ride bikes. I think fit is really important. But you can use your Roam to help you get the right size bike from Airborne, or any of the other catalogs.

    If you haven't got the fit nailed, do that first.

    If you have a "normal" length stem once it fits, measure the frame reach and get something that matches. You may not be able to find frame reach for a bike you're considering, so you can use effective top tube length as a somewhat less good alternative. If the seat tube angles of the bikes are different, ETT gets messed up.

    A really long or really short stem would let you know you need to get a different size, and which direction to go to correct. If you're more than one size off, you might do better sticking with something local.
    "Don't buy upgrades; ride up grades." -Eddy Merckx

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    Ugg This thread is way off track. Sorry. All the cheap FS naysayers convinced me not to get one.

  32. #32
    Fat-tired Roadie Moderator
    Reputation: AndrwSwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    18,174
    Given the particular comparison and the Yukon's reviews, I think both bikes sound okay if you have to have new.

    But you can certainly do better secondhand or maybe Internet catalog. And if you didn't want to get sidetracked, you'd just ignore us and press on.
    "Don't buy upgrades; ride up grades." -Eddy Merckx

  33. #33
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    I don't mind the sidetrack. I was apologizing to everyone else.

  34. #34
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    19
    Quote Originally Posted by AndrwSwitch View Post
    The Roam's a hybrid, right?

    If you're doing the catalog thing, you sacrifice the opportunity to test-ride bikes. I think fit is really important. But you can use your Roam to help you get the right size bike from Airborne, or any of the other catalogs.

    If you haven't got the fit nailed, do that first.

    If you have a "normal" length stem once it fits, measure the frame reach and get something that matches. You may not be able to find frame reach for a bike you're considering, so you can use effective top tube length as a somewhat less good alternative. If the seat tube angles of the bikes are different, ETT gets messed up.

    A really long or really short stem would let you know you need to get a different size, and which direction to go to correct. If you're more than one size off, you might do better sticking with something local.

    Thanks for for the tips!!!

  35. #35
    Fat-tired Roadie Moderator
    Reputation: AndrwSwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    18,174

    Re: 2012 Giant Yukon FX $700 VS 2014 Talon 27.5 4 $700

    Quote Originally Posted by welker666 View Post
    I don't mind the sidetrack. I was apologizing to everyone else.
    Everyone else is who's sidetracking your thread.
    "Don't buy upgrades; ride up grades." -Eddy Merckx

  36. #36
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,568
    the talon gets a thumbs up from me b/c of geo, climbing, & handling. great bike for the money, but its aluminum and beats the shite outta my dysfunctional lower back.

  37. #37
    Fat-tired Roadie Moderator
    Reputation: AndrwSwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    18,174
    ^^^
    Have you played with the fit? I notice my back is quite sensitive to handlebar position.
    "Don't buy upgrades; ride up grades." -Eddy Merckx

  38. #38
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,568
    yup i have. i currently ride a '13 nimble 9 SS with a 50mm stem & 30" bars and love it. no probs on that bike. the talon has a 40mm stem and 28" bars and still kills me. i've played with all types of stem and bar config's amongst other adjustments

  39. #39
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    4,573
    I found having my seat set back too far back gets me in the lower back. I ran a post with some extra layback for awhile, and going back to a straight-up post made a lot of difference. You might get an idea if this affects you by just sliding your seat back or forth in your current post and seeing if you notice anything. I know seat position is technically supposed to be a function of how your knee lines up over your pedal, but in the 'right' position by that criteria, I end up in a position that works my lower back over (I wasn't all that nice to it when I was younger either, so that doesn't help). Probably give up some efficiency, but at least it's not a crapshoot whether I'll be tweaked the day after a long ride anymore.

  40. #40
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,568
    yeah i've tried all things you have mentioned not caring about "proper fit" as long as it was pain free. i have 1 herniated & 1 bulged disc from use & abuse along with a doosey of a car wreck. the other day at a stop sign i powered off and in my power stroke on drive side leg i broke a chain and lemme tell ya, i'm still paying for that. tweaked the back nicely, you know the kind where you move a certain way and knocks the wind from you and sends ya to the ground. crappy thing is we had a hell of a storm rip through a couple days ago and i have many more trees to cut up.

  41. #41
    Fat-tired Roadie Moderator
    Reputation: AndrwSwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    18,174

    Re: 2012 Giant Yukon FX $700 VS 2014 Talon 27.5 4 $700

    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    yup i have. i currently ride a '13 nimble 9 SS with a 50mm stem & 30" bars and love it. no probs on that bike. the talon has a 40mm stem and 28" bars and still kills me. i've played with all types of stem and bar config's amongst other adjustments
    Stem sizes like that would have me moving down a bike size. Granted, I have narrower bars. But not that much narrower - 680 mm on the new bike, IIRC.
    "Don't buy upgrades; ride up grades." -Eddy Merckx

  42. #42
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,568
    yeah a 40mm on a lg xc frame is a lil ridiculous but i had it laying around, however i did run the 50 on it for quite some time. i then bought my xl steel AM frame and it rides and fits like a dream. i'm 6'2" 34" inseam and weigh 205 geared so i do believe the frame sizes aren't the problem. lol the LBS wanted to put me on a medium xc frame, i felt like a shriner.

  43. #43
    mtbr member
    Reputation: El Cheap0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    125
    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    The thing I say about the Yukon is that it is too cheap for a FS bike. Buy the Talon, it has better components and is a better frame. The Yukon has no rear lockout anyway.
    I just got a 2012 yukon fx, medium frame, used for $550. Guy only rode it like twice on pavement only. The fork on the yukon sucks a ton. Its a suntour xcm, which is better than the xct (fork on the talon). Actually the rear shock (giant air 4) sorta has a lockout. There is a knob that you can turn all the way to the right (like 10 half turns from all the way left) and it mostly locks it out. Only around a cm will be used on the rear shock w/ knob all way right.
    Yukon is my 1st real mtbike, and it's worth it. I'm about 120 lbs though, and the coil in the fork is their hard version, so I only use about 60mm of its 100mm. Im switching it out though for the soft coil for~$15. If it doesn't work well, im getting better used fork, maybe the new RS 30 gold. And the xcm only has preload adjuster (which does just about nothing) and lockout.
    Grip isn't best on yukon, don't know if it's just a quick fix with different tires though.

  44. #44
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    26
    Quote Originally Posted by El Cheap0 View Post
    I just got a 2012 yukon fx, medium frame, used for $550. Guy only rode it like twice on pavement only. The fork on the yukon sucks a ton. Its a suntour xcm, which is better than the xct (fork on the talon). Actually the rear shock (giant air 4) sorta has a lockout. There is a knob that you can turn all the way to the right (like 10 half turns from all the way left) and it mostly locks it out. Only around a cm will be used on the rear shock w/ knob all way right.
    Yukon is my 1st real mtbike, and it's worth it. I'm about 120 lbs though, and the coil in the fork is their hard version, so I only use about 60mm of its 100mm. Im switching it out though for the soft coil for~$15. If it doesn't work well, im getting better used fork, maybe the new RS 30 gold. And the xcm only has preload adjuster (which does just about nothing) and lockout.
    Grip isn't best on yukon, don't know if it's just a quick fix with different tires though.
    where are you getting the springs/which ones are you getting. i am about the same weight on the same bike and have the same problem with fork travel.

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation: El Cheap0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    125
    Well after riding the crap outta the fork, its noticeably plusher, but I still only use 80mm max. I called suntour but they said they didn't have any softer coil for my fork. My fork is a xcm 32 (I think) with a black lockout switch (the color matters). They stopped manufacturing the coils so the suntour guy couldn't help. I'm just going to ride the bike until I get fed up with the lower end proponents, so I'll probably upgrade to new bike in ~ 3 or 4 years.

    So if you call the suntour guy hopefully you have a different model than me and they will have softer coils in stock.
    FYI on the back of the fork there's a sticker with a color and a capital letter telling which coil is inside, I have an orange H for hard.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

  46. #46
    mtbr member
    Reputation: El Cheap0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    125
    Oh and there's like many different types of xct, xcm, and xcr, some with lockout, others with only a preload, others with none and others with both. So there's a good chance you have a slightly different fork than me, if I were you I'd still call suntour.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 24
    Last Post: 06-20-2014, 09:12 PM
  2. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 11-03-2013, 08:31 PM
  3. 2012 Giant Anthem X 29er 2 or 2014 Giant Talon 27.5 1
    By XDR in forum Beginner's Corner
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 10-06-2013, 12:53 AM
  4. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 09-23-2013, 08:21 AM
  5. just got into mountain biking. bought a 2014 giant talon(27.5")
    By jake ninehouse in forum All Mountain
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 08-19-2013, 08:47 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •