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    2011 Motobecane 700DS or 2010 Mongoose Otero Super

    Getting back into riding, and i'm not sure which I should buy. Both will cost me $600, the mongoose has better brakes, and a better rear shock, the Motobecane has better components. I ride all types of terrain, like to do some off road/jumping when i can.

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    if you must ask...

    Honest, with your budget, I recommend a decent hard tail rather than full suspension. FS is a worthy consideration with bikes priced north of $1000-$1200 and for some, even these may be iffy.

    The Otero is a more modern design and probably a better frame but a guy I ride with on occasion was not happy with his Otero and returned it to Performance for a refund.

    If you are set on FS, the minimum I would recommend from the brands you mention is the Moto Fantom Comp DS, around $900.
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    /\ Agree , at your price point a hard tail is going to net much more .

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    I know that is the common answer given, but I will be purchasing one of these two bikes.
    I just would like to know if anyone has experience with either bike or both, and what their thoughts were. I appreciate the hardtail advice, but I have a thing for full suspension bikes, and I just ride for leisure and excercise once in a while. I read these forums all the time and I know how most people feel about less expensive full susp bikes.

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    Then Otero it is. I rode with a guy who rented one on a vacation ride and while I didn't get any seat time, it seemed like an okay rig. Performance stocks them and if you have one within driving distance, a test ride is helpful.
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    Cool, performance doesn't have any left on there web site, and I'm not sure they could get me the super for that price.

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    Have considered a used F/S bike ? Some good deals to be had if your patient .

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    I'm admittedly very impatient. I'm buying one of the bikes this Monday, and i Know I can get something better used, but I love the feeling of getting something brand new. Whether its a car, or a bike, there's nothing like it.

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    There's a reason it's a common answer. Some of us have had crappy full suspension bikes. That moto coil shock is going to bounce... literally... regardless whether you're on or off the saddle. You'll hate it. The mongoose design looks a little better, but it's not very impressively spec'd.

    You were asking for opinions between two... you won't be able to spend $200 and make those bikes much better, but for $200 more you could get the DS Comp. Agree that would be the minimum FS that's going to perform like a FS should. It's only $200 more, and has a legit suspension design and kit. Motion control on the Recon fork should be enough to spend the extra.

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    Glen, if that's your price point and you're looking FS, what about an Airborne Zeppelin (or Zep Elite)? There's a thread on the Gen Discussion forum, and while there's a lot of bickering, the fact is that there is a decent buzz brewing about the bikes- the Elite got a pretty good review from Dirt Rag.
    Now go home and get your ******* shinebox.

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    The DSComp is$895
    I know everyone says that's the way to go, but I can't spend that much, and I'm too impatient to wait. I know I sound foolish, but that extra $300 is too much for what I'm looking to spend right now.

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    I was looking at the airborne bikes on the rs cycle website. They have nice suspension, but the components don't look too great on the $600 model

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    There is nothing wrong with the otero super. My wife has one and she loves it. I have taken it for rides when my bike has been down and its pretty good for the price.

    http://www.americasbikecompany.com/2...tero-super.htm

    2009 version is speced pretty much the same, so you can look for one as well

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    Let me start by saying I dont own either, but I ride with guys that have Oteros' and 700DSs'.

    If your getting an Otero super for $600, no comparison the shocks and suspension design on the Otero are better. The shocks alone are good reason to go with the Otero, they are air adjustable which give you the opportunity to dial them in for weight and riding style . Yeah I know that SR Suntour has a bad rep around here, but their Epicon line is a great bang for the buck, I have them on my cheapy Schwinn and they compare pretty good to the Fox shocks on my Teocali Super. Go with Otero but either bike is good entry level bike though the rear shock on the 700DS will leave you bobbing.
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    Word of caution

    Be careful about the online site you decide to purchase your bike from. BD is legit but there are many that are scams. They set up a pretty nice and seemingly legit e-store front, are able to show the unit you want in stock, take your money and you never receive the bike. Use Paypal or other purchase protection. But you probably already knew all of this
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    Malibu is right, the link I sent was the first think I came up with when I googled it. Always check the store out to make sure its a legit site. A quick google search about the site has always worked for me.

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    If you order from performance website, try putting in code 749 for a 20% discount, you can get a whole lot more bike for your money.

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    Thanks for the info everyone. I will probably go with the 2010 otero super, I can get it for $600 shipped from americas bike company. I'll post some comments next week when I start riding it. So I guess the airborne zeppelin for $600 is not the way to go?

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    Is Americas Bike Store a legit website/store to buy from?
    That's where I was quoted about $600 shipped.

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    I meant americas bike company

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    Post a link please .

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    The link to their website is in Mullen119's thread response.
    I spoke with someone there a few days ago.
    He was willing to take some $ off of the listed price.

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    Seen this review of the Otero?

    http://www.dirtragmag.com/reviews/mongoose-otero

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    The store in the link does not list an address , anybody verify a brick and mortar store ? I know that I wouldn't buy from them without more proof demonstrating a real building and real bikes and real people and...............................

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    Thanks for the review.

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    For what it's worth, I got a 2009 Teocali Comp for just over $700 before tax new from Perfomance a month ago. Food for thought since it's a somewhat better overall bike than the Otero...

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    Glenn. Just food for thought. Mongosse has discontinued the Otero line so future parts support may be thin. If been farely happy with my 2009 otero Pro. The otera road as well as a couple other bike I tested that were 50% more expensive.

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    I think I would spend the extra monwy and buy ir from here:

    http://www.giantnerd.com/mongoose-ot...31302d37313337

    Im not saying the first link I sent you will screw you over, but 600 bucks is a lot of money when you cant get any information about the website. Giantnerd has good reviews so 50 bucks more is worth it for peace of mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastacox
    For what it's worth, I got a 2009 Teocali Comp for just over $700 before tax new from Perfomance a month ago. Food for thought since it's a somewhat better overall bike than the Otero...

    I agree with what your saying, I have had a teocali for 2 years now. I love the way it feels and it was a great deal. But I can not recommend it to anyone because the frame has given me nothing but issues with its bearings lasting only a few months before indexing and making noise, followed a few months later by falling apart in the frame. Its way to much of a hassle.

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    ABC has a few stores on the west coast. They are willing to go as low as $570 before shippping. So as long as I use my credit card I will be fine. I have protection with the cc.

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    Nobody has anything to say about the airborne zeppelin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn D
    Nobody has anything to say about the airborne zeppelin?
    Can't speak from direct experience about the Airborne but again, the Otero has a better fork and better specs overall. I'd still lean that way.
    Sometimes, you need to go fast enough that the trail is a blur to find clarity. -- Wild Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn D
    Nobody has anything to say about the airborne zeppelin?



    Airborne...YTF not?

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    Thanks, it looks pretty even to me, longer travel suspension, similiar level components

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    I was able to pick up a 2008 Diamondback Mission 1 for under $800 delivered!
    Looks like this bike is in a different league than the bikes I was looking at before.
    I will let you guys know how it is when it gets here.
    Thank you to everyone who gave me advice and info.

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    Bike has full warranty f9or any frame issues that might happen.;-)
    Also it is brand new in the box still.

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