1. The most important thing about buying a new bike is to make sure it fits. The only way you'll know if the bike is right for you is to size up the bike and make sure that the bike's geometry matches your body's geometry. Ask questions and do some research.
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2. If possible, try to find a shop that will let you demo the bike on real dirt. Five minutes in a parking lot won't cut it. You wouldn't buy a car without a real world test drive, and a bike should be no different.
3. Don't belive the hype. Just because your favorite rider or best friend rides a certain bike, that doesn't mean that's the best one for you. Have an open mind and be realistic about your needs and ability.
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    '08 Trek 6500 vs '09 GF Piranha

    This is my first real bike, I don't plan on upgrading (components or to a new bike) for a while so good stock equipment is very important. They are basically the same price - around $950 and have very similar components. I wanted the 08 Piranha for $100 less but they were sold out. Are these worth $200 bucks more than a Trek 6000? The Trek 6500 is already "on sale" so bargaining it's price down might be hard (I'm in Canada).

    Trek 6500
    Bicycle Type Mountain bike, front suspension
    Sugg Retail $989.99
    Weight Unspecified
    Sizes 15.5", 17.5", 19.5", 21.5"
    Colors Satin Silver, Pearl White/Metallic Black

    Frame & Fork
    Frame Construction TIG-welded
    Frame Tubing Material Alpha Black Aluminum
    Fork Brand & Model RockShox Tora 302 Solo Air, 100mm travel
    Fork Material Aluminum, single crown
    Rear Shock Not applicable

    Components
    Component Group Mountain Mix
    Brakeset Shimano M485 disc brakes, Shimano M485 levers
    Shift Levers Shimano Deore
    Front Derailleur Shimano Deore
    Rear Derailleur Shimano LX
    Crankset Shimano FC-M442, 22/32/44 teeth
    Pedals Alloy Platform
    Bottom Bracket Shimano Octalink
    BB Shell Width Unspecified
    Rear Cogs 9-speed, 11 - 34 teeth
    Chain Unspecified
    Seatpost Bontrager Sport
    Saddle Bontrager Race Basic
    Handlebar Bontrager Select OS
    Handlebar Extensions Not included
    Handlebar Stem Bontrager Select
    Headset Aheadset Slimstak

    Wheels
    Hubs Shimano Deore disc
    Rims Bontrager Ranger
    Tires 26 x 2.10" Bontrager Jones ACX
    Spoke Brand Unspecified
    Spoke Nipples Unspecified


    Piranha
    Frame
    Gold Series 6061 T6 aluminum, G2 Geometry, butted DT, cold-forged dropouts & BB

    Wheels
    Shimano M495 CenterLock disc hubs, Bontrager Ranger disc rims, 32h

    Componentry
    SRAM X.5 | SRAM X.5 | SRAM X.5, trigger, 9spd | Shimano FC-M428, 44s/32s/22s, Octalink | Shimano M486, hydraulic disc, 160mm CenterLock rotors | (Full Specs)

    Suspension
    RockShox Tora SL Coil, 100mm travel, custom G2 Geometry 46mm offset crown, coil spring w/turnkey lockout, external preload & rebound adjustment

    Sizes
    XS (13") | SM (15.5") | MD (17.5") | LG (19") | XL (21") | (Sizing)

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    The two bikes have different geometries. Fishers have long top tubes. Some like the elongated frames. Others don't.

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    [SIZE="5"]Some porn would be nice. [/SIZE]


    2009 Trek 6500


    Gary Fisher Piranha


    (Gary Fisher for me. But you need to ride them both, then decide. Components can be swapped out, but feel is important.)
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    Thanks for the pics.
    I rode the Trek and rode a GF Advance (they didn't have a Piranha in stock) and they really didn't feel all that different.

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    Both are good looking bikes. The effective top tube on the GF is about 5/8" longer than the Trek (17.5 models). If you look at the pics 2ndgen posted, it illistrates the longer tt and short stem on the GF. I looked at the bikes last year and noticed the difference by just sitting on them, but it looks like the 08 Treks have a bit longer tt than the 07's.

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    The real 2009 Piranha:



    And I'd go for the Fisher- I love the G2 geometry (which the Advance doesn't have.)

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    How does the Advance not have the real G2 geometry? Frame specs looks exactly the same. http://www.fisherbikes.com/bike/model/advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by quakesfive
    How does the Advance not have the real G2 geometry? Frame specs looks exactly the same. http://www.fisherbikes.com/bike/model/advance
    I believe it says it does on that same link you posted:

    Frame
    Gold Series 6061 T6 aluminum, G2 Geometry, butted DT, cold-forged dropouts & BB

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    Quote Originally Posted by theextremist04
    The real 2009 Piranha:



    And I'd go for the Fisher- I love the G2 geometry (which the Advance doesn't have.)

    Ahhh! Nice!

    And...The "real" Advance :

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    Gold Series 6061 T6 aluminum, G2 Geometry, butted DT, cold-forged dropouts & BB

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    isnt g2 geometry also dubbed as genesis geometry?

    because if it is i can vouch that its quite an interesting geometry and supposedly will help you climb a little better due to the wheel being tucked in closer
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    G2 means genesis 2.0 so basically an upgrade over genesis geometry

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    Yes, the geometry on the advance and the pirana will be different. I own both in the same size and they feel completely different. Advance is more upright and the pirana is more forward. I'm also on g1 geometry which will be different than g2. If you can get on oth bikes and try them out do because the feel is going to be the main difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agm2
    Yes, the geometry on the advance and the pirana will be different. I own both in the same size and they feel completely different. Advance is more upright and the pirana is more forward. I'm also on g1 geometry which will be different than g2. If you can get on oth bikes and try them out do because the feel is going to be the main difference.
    You sure? They look and are supposedly the exact same frame wise. Anyway, I'll probably get the Piranha, kinda mad though that it's like $150 more for the same bike as last year except updated geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quakesfive
    You sure? They look and are supposedly the exact same frame wise. Anyway, I'll probably get the Piranha, kinda mad though that it's like $150 more for the same bike as last year except updated geometry.
    Don't feel too bad.

    Upgraded Shock, Brakes, Crank, + some of the drivetrain (that is, comparing '08 to '09).

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    One would think that for $1000 they could include something better than alloy pedals.....or at least a credit!
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    This GF which is going sometimes as low as $900. has alloys (along with better components). http://www.fisherbikes.com/bike/model/cobia/fullspecs

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    The cobia looks nice but it only has the mechanical disc brakes, and I'm guessing it wouldn't be that cheap in Canada anyway (availability could be a problem as well).

    Anyway, about the fork, what kind of Tora is it anyway (how do you know it's upgraded)? Last's year's had a number, but this one doesn't (http://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/cros...ry/tora/#tab2).

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    Quote Originally Posted by quakesfive
    The cobia looks nice but it only has the mechanical disc brakes, and I'm guessing it wouldn't be that cheap in Canada anyway (availability could be a problem as well).

    Anyway, about the fork, what kind of Tora is it anyway (how do you know it's upgraded)? Last's year's had a number, but this one doesn't (http://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/cros...ry/tora/#tab2).
    Gary Fisher's site has a compare function where you can pick up to 4 bikes and compare their options side by side.

    Also, you can compare different years by going into the archive and opening up another window and putting them side by side.


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    I'm very new to this, but I had an old trek 3700 I used for campus riding and a few trails until I got my 08 piranha a couple of months ago. I'm 6'4" and noticed an amazing improvement in the handling of the GF over the trek due to the longer cockpit area. I really like the GF geometry, and my vote goes for it...of course I'm assuming the 3700 has similar geometry to the 6500...

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    Only way OP will be able to tell is which feels better when he throws a leg over it...im pretty sure we agree that component wize its all the same.
    Lean back, Hit both brakes, And ask yourself, Do you feel lucky today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cata1yst
    Only way OP will be able to tell is which feels better when he throws a leg over it...im pretty sure we agree that component wize its all the same.
    You make buying a bike sound better than getting married!





    And BurnTheFurniture,

    Welcome aboard.

    Pirhana?

    Nice!


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    I've been looking at the GF bikes a lot lately and from what I understand "G2" is a change in the angle of the front fork to increase the stability of the bike. "Genesis" has more to do with the length of the top tube and pushing the seat back a bit over the rear wheel.

    So not really the same thing.

    Also the Advance is listed in their "Classic" hardtails in their catalog and does not have Genesis geometry.

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    Yeah the G2 is an offset of the fork--if you look at a G1 and G2 side by side you'll see that the fork is pushed forward a little bit on the G2 to improve cornering.

    Does anyone have a feel for the sizing of Genesis bikes? I rented a 19" Wahoo yesterday and it was quite stable and good for climbing, but I was definitely stretched out to do the steering. I think I'm sort of between the 17.5 and the 19. I'm about 5'10" and my arm/leg ratio is pretty average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sykikchimp
    I've been looking at the GF bikes a lot lately and from what I understand "G2" is a change in the angle of the front fork to increase the stability of the bike. "Genesis" has more to do with the length of the top tube and pushing the seat back a bit over the rear wheel.

    So not really the same thing.

    Also the Advance is listed in their "Classic" hardtails in their catalog and does not have Genesis geometry.
    Maybe that's this year's model.

    Advance
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    Here is the Advance listed in the "G2 Hardtails" Section: http://www.fisherbikes.com/bike/model/advance


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    Quote Originally Posted by schmoab
    Yeah the G2 is an offset of the fork--if you look at a G1 and G2 side by side you'll see that the fork is pushed forward a little bit on the G2 to improve cornering.

    Does anyone have a feel for the sizing of Genesis bikes? I rented a 19" Wahoo yesterday and it was quite stable and good for climbing, but I was definitely stretched out to do the steering. I think I'm sort of between the 17.5 and the 19. I'm about 5'10" and my arm/leg ratio is pretty average.
    Am 5'9" and barely ride my15.5" comfortably (a few tweaks, and I'm good now).
    My Tarpon is a 19" an while it's supremely comfortable for just riding, for trails
    and for aggresive riding, I prefer the 15.5" without a doubt. I'm pretty sure a 17.5"
    would be ideal. Just "my" personal observations.

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