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    Why San Diego is a better Beer City than Ashville, NC

    Had some friends down for the weekend I have not seen in years and find out they are just as into Craft beer as we are, so we spent the day visiting a few of the Breweries in San Diego:

    Tastings at the following:
    Alesmith
    Hess
    Rough Draft
    Societe
    Ballast Point
    Mission
    Dinner at Stone.

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    Clearly a better beer city than Ashville ever could be. Thanks for setting us straight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardinLA View Post
    Clearly a better beer city than Ashville ever could be. Thanks for setting us straight!

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    (oh, also /sarcasm)
    San Diego Beer > Asheville Beer.

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    There is no denying that San Diego is pretty much the capital of craft beer.

    My only problem with it as a beer city is that it's not really a "city". Stone is 34 miles from downtown for god's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    There is no denying that San Diego is pretty much the capital of craft beer.

    My only problem with it as a beer city is that it's not really a "city". Stone is 34 miles from downtown for god's sake.
    Beer County USA?


    Bend Beer > Asheville Beer.


    That a better comparison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    Beer County USA?


    Bend Beer > Asheville Beer.


    That a better comparison?
    "Beer County USA" is absolutely the case.

    And yes, while I haven't been to either I would have to say Bend>Asheville just in terms of beer.

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    Whoa Whoa Whoa there fellas.

    Fort Collins > asheville/san diago/Bend etc...

    I think we all have a little different preference on this matter. I will not even attempt to deny the fact that San Diago (aka whales vajaja...Anchorman 'a whales vagina' - YouTube) is a solid beer town, but does not mean I would want to live there. Give me Mountains, ability to drive to Solitude, and brewery density per square mile, and I would take Fort Collins, Bend, Portland over San Diago any day for where I want to live. Take all of this with a big grain of salt as I am not a fan of SoCal.

    Ashville is also small at the moment, 5 years from now is when it may be a contender after NB, SN and Oscar Blues move in.

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    Yeah, we do have some epic beer around here. Thank God, because the trails are getting bulldozed. The riding in Asheville has SD beat and with the housing market in a slump you can get yourself a nice house for like $16 bucks. I just closed a deal on a cozy little french cheateau style home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    Whoa Whoa Whoa there fellas.

    Fort Collins > asheville/san diago/Bend etc...

    I think we all have a little different preference on this matter. I will not even attempt to deny the fact that San Diago (aka whales vajaja...Anchorman 'a whales vagina' - YouTube) is a solid beer town, but does not mean I would want to live there. Give me Mountains, ability to drive to Solitude, and brewery density per square mile, and I would take Fort Collins, Bend, Portland over San Diago any day for where I want to live. Take all of this with a big grain of salt as I am not a fan of SoCal.

    Ashville is also small at the moment, 5 years from now is when it may be a contender after NB, SN and Oscar Blues move in.

    P.S. Cool pics btw, moar please
    San Diego Beer > Fort Collins Beer.



    Oh, and good luck getting your surf on in any over the other spots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    I just closed a deal on a cozy little french cheateau style home.
    Nice! Gotta change that winery over to a brewery ASAP.

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    I am very pleased to learn about the superiority of San Diego as a beer city over the extremely pathetic and anemic Asheville, NC area. I have heard that because of the extreme Western nature of the city/county of San Diego that drinking the beer there makes one walk like a very manly cowboy man. Can you confirm this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    Whoa Whoa Whoa there fellas.

    Fort Collins > asheville/san diago/Bend etc...

    I think we all have a little different preference on this matter. I will not even attempt to deny the fact that San Diago (aka whales vajaja...Anchorman 'a whales vagina' - YouTube) is a solid beer town, but does not mean I would want to live there. Give me Mountains, ability to drive to Solitude, and brewery density per square mile, and I would take Fort Collins, Bend, Portland over San Diago any day for where I want to live. Take all of this with a big grain of salt as I am not a fan of SoCal.

    Ashville is also small at the moment, 5 years from now is when it may be a contender after NB, SN and Oscar Blues move in.

    P.S. Cool pics btw, moar please
    Ultimate Beer City...

    Beer, beaches, girls and possibly weather (a little too dry for my tastes) of San Diego. Subtract the traffic, sprawl, strip malls and general dbaginess of So Cal. Then add the mountains and trails of Bend, Asheville and Ft. Collins. Add the food of a San Francisco or Portland. Subtract the pretentiousness of those places. Add lots of jobs and cheap real estate. I'm there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Ultimate Beer City...

    Beer, beaches, girls and possibly weather (a little too dry for my tastes) of San Diego. Subtract the traffic, sprawl, strip malls and general dbaginess of So Cal. Then add the mountains and trails of Bend, Asheville and Ft. Collins. Add the food of a San Francisco or Portland. Subtract the pretentiousness of those places. Add lots of jobs and cheap real estate. I'm there.
    Where is this utopia of which you speak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    San Diego Beer > Fort Collins Beer.



    Oh, and good luck getting your surf on in any over the other spots!
    What? Surfing is huge on Michigan's West Coast where Bell's, Founders and New Holland are. They even do it in Indiana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Ultimate Beer City...

    Beer, beaches, girls and possibly weather (a little too dry for my tastes) of San Diego. Subtract the traffic, sprawl, strip malls and general dbaginess of So Cal. Then add the mountains and trails of Bend, Asheville and Ft. Collins. Add the food of a San Francisco or Portland. Subtract the pretentiousness of those places. Add lots of jobs and cheap real estate. I'm there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    San Diego Beer > Fort Collins Beer.



    Oh, and good luck getting your surf on in any over the other spots!
    Not a surfer, but i can hit trails riding from my doorstep

    Do a google image search of Fort Collins = mountains, solitude, epic
    Same search of San Diego = City, beach, city, city, city

    I guess I just don't like people as much as you do.
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    It's about time those asshats who proclaim Asheville a better beer city than San Diego; anywhere in Oregon; etc., are put in their place!!

    Lovely city, to be sure. But let's not get pear-shaped delusional!

    (No asshats were harmed in the typing of this response. We're all beer lovers, after all!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    I guess I just don't like people as much as you do.
    No way man, I know all about FC. Never been there, but it looks wonderful. Especially from what I've seen that you share

    And no, I don't like people very much. At least a ton of people. SD is pretty spread out, MUCH better than the Bay Area in terms of population density.

    Long term goals include owning a home in both SD and Bend. And visiting FC of course. Possibly even living in one of those other areas.

    And you'd dig SD - solid mountain biking, bouldering, and beaches. And you can ride year-round without snow.

    And seriously - the beer is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    No way man, I know all about FC. Never been there, but it looks wonderful. Especially from what I've seen that you share

    And no, I don't like people very much. At least a ton of people. SD is pretty spread out, MUCH better than the Bay Area in terms of population density.

    Long term goals include owning a home in both SD and Bend. And visiting FC of course. Possibly even living in one of those other areas.

    And you'd dig SD - solid mountain biking, bouldering, and beaches. And you can ride year-round without snow.

    And seriously - the beer is awesome.

    Well maybe its ok then, just very very low on my places to visit. In fact I plan on going to Ashville in the next couple years, as well as Charlette (some amazing history out there) and hit up the Pisgah for riding. No plans for SD, though I will never dispute that good beer is produced there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    What? Surfing is huge on Michigan's West Coast where Bell's, Founders and New Holland are. They even do it in Indiana.
    Unsalted. I still need to watch this doc.

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    Nothing to see here. Move along.

    Seattle is terrible. Lousy beer and no decent riding. Move to Ashville or Grand Rapids instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    Seattle is terrible. Lousy beer and no decent riding. Move to Ashville or Grand Rapids instead.
    Seattle is an awesome city. One of my favorites really. Its proximity to the Olympic Peninsula/San Juan Islands/Cascades make it an amazing destination for outdoor enthusiasts.

    However, the quality of the beer/breweries should be better than they are frankly. Seattle was such a huge part of the initial microbrewery movement in the 80's and 90's I'm not sure why it has fallen behind over the last ten years or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    It's about time those asshats who proclaim Asheville a better beer city than San Diego; anywhere in Oregon; etc., are put in their place!!

    Lovely city, to be sure. But let's not get pear-shaped delusional!

    (No asshats were harmed in the typing of this response. We're all beer lovers, after all!)
    This is what I was going for. I only gave this thread that title because I don't think Ashville deserves to be on the Radar for the best beer city, that whole vote thing that happens every year is obviously broken. Of course any vote that takes place online is going be skewed.

    I just had a wonderful day of beer tasting, probably the most I have been able to do since my stay in the Hospital this past summer, and I wanted to share.

    To the person who mentioned that Stone is 34 miles north of SD, yes that is true, Stone is technically in the City of Escondido. In fact a number of Breweries are located in North San Diego County. Just like many people refer to parts of LA that are actually other incorporated Cities, most people refer to all of San Diego county as being "San Diego".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Seattle is an awesome city. One of my favorites really. Its proximity to the Olympic Peninsula/San Juan Islands/Cascades make it an amazing destination for outdoor enthusiasts.

    However, the quality of the beer/breweries should be better than they are frankly. Seattle was such a huge part of the initial microbrewery movement in the 80's and 90's I'm not sure why it has fallen behind over the last ten years or so.
    It's coming back...just under the radar a bit. While there are a few production breweries up there, most of the breweries aren't big enough to sustain distribution outside of the state. But beers like Wisdom Seeker from Black Raven show that they can definitely make some world-class beers.

    Seattle's a great place with awesome food and one of the best vibes of any major city in the US, but I can't take rain 40% of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    It's coming back...just under the radar a bit. While there are a few production breweries up there, most of the breweries aren't big enough to sustain distribution outside of the state. But beers like Wisdom Seeker from Black Raven show that they can definitely make some world-class beers.

    Seattle's a great place with awesome food and one of the best vibes of any major city in the US, but I can't take rain 40% of the year.
    You're a fountain of knowledge jtmartino. I've heard of Black Raven (seen their ads in BA mag and other places) but have not tried any of their beers. Will try to so so next time we are up there. In terms of breweries, we usually go to Elysian when we are in Seattle, which I have enjoyed.

    My dream living scenario would be spending half the year in Santa Cruz and half the year in the San Juans but then again I am a super white boy who doesn't tan and doesn't mind the rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post

    To the person who mentioned that Stone is 34 miles north of SD, yes that is true, Stone is technically in the City of Escondido. In fact a number of Breweries are located in North San Diego County. Just like many people refer to parts of LA that are actually other incorporated Cities, most people refer to all of San Diego county as being "San Diego".
    Yes, it's not San Diego's fault it's a massive sprawling amoeba. I just don't think it can be compared to places like Portland when talking about beer "cities".

    In regards to L.A. and SoCal in general...I worked with this girl years ago and I asked her where she was from...

    Her-"L.A."
    Me-"Oh. Cool. Where abouts?"
    Her-"Ojai"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Yes, it's not San Diego's fault it's a massive sprawling amoeba. I just don't think it can be compared to places like Portland when talking about beer "cities".

    In regards to L.A. and SoCal in general...I worked with this girl years ago and I asked her where she was from...

    Her-"L.A."
    Me-"Oh. Cool. Where abouts?"
    Her-"Ojai"
    Exactly, There is no true break between San Diego City Limits and my House in Oceanside, however the City of Carlsbad and Encinitas are both incorporated and they are in-between, however the general feel is that even where I live is considered "San Diego".

    Still, 6 of the seven Breweries I visited are within San Diego City Limits.


    Ojai is in Ventura County, about an hour drive just to get to LA County.... lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    You're a fountain of knowledge jtmartino. I've heard of Black Raven (seen their ads in BA mag and other places) but have not tried any of their beers. Will try to so so next time we are up there. In terms of breweries, we usually go to Elysian when we are in Seattle, which I have enjoyed.
    We kind of like being under the radar up here after almost two decades of a grunge/hipster chic rep (see Hype for more info...).

    You could probably call Black Raven part of the third-wave movement here over the last couple of years -- an explosion of new breweries and, recently, distilleries. And one reason why you might not see distro outside of WA is that we drink most of it here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    My dream living scenario would be spending half the year in Santa Cruz and half the year in the San Juans but then again I am a super white boy who doesn't tan and doesn't mind the rain.
    Rain's good for the trail -- our soils drain well and we've got lots of vert. Come on up any time -- that goes for you too jmartino. We'll drink some beers and shred some gnar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    Rain's good for the trail -- our soils drain well and we've got lots of vert. Come on up any time -- that goes for you too jmartino. We'll drink some beers and shred some gnar.
    I seriously love it up there. Find my wife and I a job in Anacortes and I'll start packing.

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    I'm heading down to San Diego this friday to spend the weekend with my son. I sampled Port Brewing's High Tide the other day, I want more!! Really good. Hopefully I can make the rounds to sample the local brews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton55 View Post
    I'm heading down to San Diego this friday to spend the weekend with my son. I sampled Port Brewing's High Tide the other day, I want more!! Really good. Hopefully I can make the rounds to sample the local brews.
    Where does he live? Flying or driving?

    The thing about San Diego is that no matter where you are there is amazing beer within a 5 mile radius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Where does he live? Flying or driving?

    The thing about San Diego is that no matter where you are there is amazing beer within a 5 mile radius.
    He lives close to the Padres stadium. Santa Rosa has direct flights which makes it so much easier for us coastal folks to travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton55 View Post
    He lives close to the Padres stadium. Santa Rosa has direct flights which makes it so much easier for us coastal folks to travel.
    Mission Brewery is only 2 blocks from Petco Park downtown. There is also a Rock Bottom Brewery in the Gas Lamp District downtown which has won some awards. Those are both walking distance.

    The next closest would be Ballast Point tasting room at the Home Brew Mark in Linda Vista, Pizza Port in Ocean Beach which are both just a 10 min drive from Downtown. Most of the others in my original post are in the area called "Mira Mesa" which is about 15-20 min from downtown SD.

    There are also a ton of great beer bars in the downtown and North Park area.

    Check out the west coaster for a plethora of info on the SD Beer scene, they also have a nice Craft Beer interactive map:

    SD Brewing Industry Watch 2012 – West Coaster - Serving the San Diego Craft Beer Community

    It is supposed to be in the low 80's this weekend so you will enjoy some great fall weather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    Rain's good for the trail -- our soils drain well and we've got lots of vert. Come on up any time -- that goes for you too jmartino. We'll drink some beers and shred some gnar.
    Sounds awesome. I'd take moist and tacky any day over desert dust that you get in SD. You really have to drive an hour to hit the better stuff down there.

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    I'm going to throw the Boston MA area into the mix. I've got 15 miles of single track out the door, 20 miles North of Boston. Great beer and breweries everywhere. 45 minutes to the beach. SD, really? lots of city there, not my cup of tea. Lots of great riding in pedaling distance and more in 1/2 hour ride. I would put the Boston MA beer as tops anywhere. Good thing we have choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Mission Brewery is only 2 blocks from Petco Park downtown. There is also a Rock Bottom Brewery in the Gas Lamp District downtown which has won some awards. Those are both walking distance.

    The next closest would be Ballast Point tasting room at the Home Brew Mark in Linda Vista, Pizza Port in Ocean Beach which are both just a 10 min drive from Downtown. Most of the others in my original post are in the area called "Mira Mesa" which is about 15-20 min from downtown SD.

    There are also a ton of great beer bars in the downtown and North Park area.

    Check out the west coaster for a plethora of info on the SD Beer scene, they also have a nice Craft Beer interactive map:

    SD Brewing Industry Watch 2012 – West Coaster - Serving the San Diego Craft Beer Community

    Thanks for the info. If you are in the area I'll buy the first round!

    It is supposed to be in the low 80's this weekend so you will enjoy some great fall weather.

    Thanks for the info. If you are in the area I'll buy the 1st round!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    I'm going to throw the Boston MA area into the mix. I've got 15 miles of single track out the door, 20 miles North of Boston. Great beer and breweries everywhere. 45 minutes to the beach. SD, really? lots of city there, not my cup of tea. Lots of great riding in pedaling distance and more in 1/2 hour ride. I would put the Boston MA beer as tops anywhere. Good thing we have choices.
    Really!

    SD Beer > Boston Beer
    SD Beach > Boston Beach
    SD Weather > Boston Weather
    SD Population Density (3500/sq. mile) > Boston Population Density (6900/ sq. mile)

    Not sure about the MTB scene in Boston as I've never ridden there, but it is a pretty flat area. I'd put east county SD riding up against anything in Boston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton55 View Post
    Thanks for the info. If you are in the area I'll buy the 1st round!
    If you're down for a quick drive, head east on Highway 8 and go hit Alpine (especially if you like IPAs.) They are a tiny spot but they serve good BBQ and make some of the best beer in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    Really!

    SD Beer > Boston Beer
    SD Beach > Boston Beach
    SD Weather > Boston Weather
    SD Population Density (3500/sq. mile) > Boston Population Density (6900/ sq. mile)

    Not sure about the MTB scene in Boston as I've never ridden there, but it is a pretty flat area. I'd put east county SD riding up against anything in Boston.
    Seriously, and I'm no hater of Boston nor a huge fan of SD.

    Beer wise they are not in the same conversation.

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    wow Hess has grown a good amount since i have been there, use to be a a small room. My buddy keeps telling me about societe, and how good it is. It is on my list when i get to San Diego. Thank you for sharing the pictures. Hey Klurejr what events are you going to San Diego Beer week???
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    Quote Originally Posted by blumena84 View Post
    wow Hess has grown a good amount since i have been there, use to be a a small room. My buddy keeps telling me about societe, and how good it is. It is on my list when i get to San Diego. Thank you for sharing the pictures. Hey Klurejr what events are you going to San Diego Beer week???
    Yeah Hess took over the space next door and knocked down the wall, so they literally doubled in size... lol.

    They did have plans on the wall for a new bigger production facility in North Park which looks pretty awesome.

    Societe makes great beer, and have a killer setup. They are right next to my office that I am in on Tuesday and Thursday so i get to enjoy the sweet smell of cereal on their brew days! They have a major Barrel Aging setup and should one day rival The Bruery which would be awesome.

    I have yet to plan out my SD Beer week, shame on me. Perhaps the wife and I can look that over tonight and make some plans.
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    So, sounds like a challenge. Overall quality of life. How's that SD traffic ? I would stack up Boston/ New England beer against anywhere. Yes we have winter. Lets stick to Beer. Your top 5 in a throwdown ?

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    Lets stick to Beer. Your top 5 in a throwdown ?
    Once again, I personally wouldn't want to live in SD (even though traffic is no where near L.A. bad btw) but in terms of beer, no metro area can really compare. This from a bay area native that was bred to hate SoCal.

    SD Breweries...

    AleSmith Brewing Company - 9368 Cabot Drive, San Diego
    The Lost Abbey - 155 Mata Way Ste 104, San Marcos
    Alpine Beer Company - 2351 Alpine Blvd., Alpine
    Societe Brewing Co. - 8262 Clairemont Mesa Blvd, San Diego
    Stone Brewing Co. - 1999 Citracado Parkway, Escondido
    Pizza Port Ocean Beach - 1956 Bacon St., San Diego
    Pizza Port Carlsbad - 571 Carlsbad Village Dr., Carlsbad
    Port Brewing Company - 155 Mata Way #104, San Marcos
    Pizza Port Solana Beach - 135 North Highway 101, Solana Beach
    Ballast Point Brewing Company - 10051 Old Grove Road Suite B, San Diego
    Latitude 33° Brewing Company - 1430 Vantage Court, Suite 104, Vista
    Green Flash Brewing Co. - 6550 Mira Mesa Blvd., San Diego
    Blind Lady Ale House & Automatic Brewing Co. - 3416 Adams Ave., San Diego
    Hess Brewing Company - 7955 Silverton Ave., San Diego
    Rock Bottom Restaurant and Brewery - 8980 Via La Jolla Dr., La Jolla
    Rock Bottom Restaurant and Brewery - 401 G Street, San Diego
    Coronado Brewing Company - 170 Orange Ave., Coronado
    Monkey Paw Pub & Brewery - 805 16th St, San Diego
    Aztec Brewing Company - 2330 La Mirada Dr Ste 300, Vista
    Gordon Biersch - 5010 Mission Center Road, San Diego
    The Beer Company - 602 Broadway Ste 101, San Diego
    Iron Fist Brewing Company - 1305 Hot Springs Way #101, Vista
    Mission Brewery - 1441 L Street, San Diego
    Karl Strauss Brewing Company - 5985 Santa Fe Street, San Diego
    Mother Earth Brew Co. - 2055 Thibodo Rd. Suite H, Vista

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    So, sounds like a challenge. Overall quality of life. How's that SD traffic ? I would stack up Boston/ New England beer against anywhere. Yes we have winter. Lets stick to Beer. Your top 5 in a throwdown ?
    I ride a motorcycle to work year round because the weather is so good, so traffic is not an issue.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    So, sounds like a challenge. Overall quality of life. How's that SD traffic ? I would stack up Boston/ New England beer against anywhere. Yes we have winter. Lets stick to Beer. Your top 5 in a throwdown ?
    Traffic? Are you serious? Way worse in Boston. San Diego is not LA. Boston pops up a bunch of times on here before SD.

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    But since we're talking beer, let's limit you to within an hour of downtown Boston. You can't compare one city to an entire region of the country. I'll do the same for SD.

    Top five breweries:

    1. Pizza Port
    2. Alpine
    3. Alesmith
    4. Port/Lost Abbey
    5. Toss up between Stone and Ballast Point

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    Oh snap, I'm done. Greenflash, Stone and Pizza Port, got any couch space? I'm great on the BBQ too.
    My five: Sam Adams, Cambridge Brewing, Harpoon, Mayflower, Smuttynose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    Oh snap, I'm done. Greenflash, Stone and Pizza Port, got any couch space? I'm great on the BBQ too.
    My five: Sam Adams, Cambridge Brewing, Harpoon, Mayflower, Smuttynose.
    You could have at least gone with Clown Shoes. Smuttynose isn't even in MA!

    Boston is a great city. We stayed with a friend a few years back when she was going to grad school at BU. She lived half a block off Hanover. Prosciutto/Tomato/Mozzarella/Basil on a roll with Balsamic and Olive Oil. I could live on those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Once again, I personally wouldn't want to live in SD (even though traffic is no where near L.A. bad btw) but in terms of beer, no metro area can really compare. This from a bay area native that was bred to hate SoCal.
    You'd like North County Coastal a lot, I think. Del Mar, Solana, Cardiff, Encinitas, Carlsbad, Oceanside. Totally different vibe than SD proper or south county.

    The areas around Balboa Park can be cool too - North/South Park, University Heights, Hillcrest, etc. Great beer bars too.

    I wouldn't live in Coastal SD south of La Jolla (except for maybe Point Loma.) I also wouldn't live anywhere else except coastal north county (La Jolla and north).


    Drawbacks of SD include:

    - Tourists
    - Strip Malls
    - Urban Sprawl
    - Young people in the military
    - Relatively expensive

    Population density is a lot less than the Bay Area, which is nice, but it makes tourism more noticeable. Urban sprawl and strip malls (think Westfields and shopping centers with Best Buy as a focal point) are everywhere. The young people in the military stationed in San Diego is a pretty big issue - lots of drinking, fighting, DUIs, and overall tool-baggery. It's less expensive than the Bay Area, but still expensive compared to other parts of the country.

    The area between La Jolla and Carlsbad doesn't suffer from these things as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    You'd like North County Coastal a lot, I think. Del Mar, Solana, Cardiff, Encinitas, Carlsbad, Oceanside. Totally different vibe than SD proper or south county.

    The areas around Balboa Park can be cool too - North/South Park, University Heights, Hillcrest, etc. Great beer bars too.

    I wouldn't live in Coastal SD south of La Jolla (except for maybe Point Loma.) I also wouldn't live anywhere else except coastal north county (La Jolla and north).


    Drawbacks of SD include:

    - Tourists
    - Strip Malls
    - Urban Sprawl
    - Young people in the military
    - Relatively expensive

    Population density is a lot less than the Bay Area, which is nice, but it makes tourism more noticeable. Urban sprawl and strip malls (think Westfields and shopping centers with Best Buy as a focal point) are everywhere. The young people in the military stationed in San Diego is a pretty big issue - lots of drinking, fighting, DUIs, and overall tool-baggery. It's less expensive than the Bay Area, but still expensive compared to other parts of the country.

    The area between La Jolla and Carlsbad doesn't suffer from these things as much.
    Oh yeah, North County is pretty sweet. Expensive but sweet. Solana Beach, Encinitas, Carlsbad, etc. We have friends in Cardiff. Those are all cool towns. I also really like North Park. We have friends there too. Great neighborhood. Stumbling distance to 30th.

    Overall, SD is like a better version of L.A. for me though. There are great pockets but the overall vibe isn't my thing. Lots of people love it though so hey. Yes, population density is less than the Bay but the geography up here breaks up the population so you have places where you can escape all the people pretty easily. East Bay Hills, Skyline Blvd., San Mateo Coast, West Marin, etc. SoCal doesn't really have that in my experience. You drive a half hour in any direction and it's just more of the same. Too dry for me too. I gotta have trees and greenery.

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    Exactly, There is no true break between San Diego City Limits and my House in Oceanside, however the City of Carlsbad and Encinitas are both incorporated and they are in-between...Still, 6 of the seven Breweries I visited are within San Diego City Limits.
    Encinitas is a super rad little beach town. Loved that area. We had relatives in Carlsbad for a little while, that area was cool as well. But you gotta pay to play in Southern California.

    Curious, I trulia'd the areas mentioned here.

    San Diego average and median listing prices - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
    $352,183

    Encinitas, CA real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Price $658,000

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    Boston, MA real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Encinitas is a super rad little beach town. Loved that area. We had relatives in Carlsbad for a little while, that area was cool as well. But you gotta pay to play in Southern California.

    Curious, I trulia'd the areas mentioned here...
    Why the disparity between Boulder and Ft. Collins? Are there that many more jobs in Boulder? I would think they would be closer based on proximity/both college towns, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post

    Overall, SD is like a better version of L.A. for me though.


    I hate LA. With a passion. Could not live there, ever.

    I know what you mean though - the mountains up here allow for some solitude nearby. To get the same in SD, you'd have to head east. And even then, it's desert until you get up into the higher elevations (like out near Alpine brewing.)

    To me it's more than geography - people in SD tend to be friendlier, more laid-back, less cliquey, and they are much better (faster?) drivers than their Bay Area counterparts. Driving around here is stressful - I've never felt such road rage as I do when I drive on the 101 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    Encinitas is a super rad little beach town. Loved that area. We had relatives in Carlsbad for a little while, that area was cool as well. But you gotta pay to play in Southern California.

    Curious, I trulia'd the areas mentioned here.

    San Diego average and median listing prices - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
    $352,183

    Encinitas, CA real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Price $658,000

    Denver, CO real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
    $235,000

    Boulder, CO real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
    $414,500

    Fort Collins, CO real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
    $229,375 (where I live)

    Boston, MA real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
    $505,000

    Asheville, NC real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
    $186,500

    Bend, OR real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
    $216,850

    Portland, OR real estate overview - Trulia.com Median Sales Price
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    I live in Oceanside, 2 blocks from the Carlsbad City limits and paid $246k for my 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 2 car garage home with a pool back in 2008.

    The reason the Median house prices are so high is because there are so many big houses in gated communities. There is affordable housing if you look for it as well.


    I will say this in agreement with things I do not like about my area, The young military types and the tourist. Other than that it truly is America's Finest City. More people come to San Diego on Vacation and end up moving here than any other city in the US, there must be a reason they want to stay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post


    I hate LA. With a passion. Could not live there, ever.

    I know what you mean though - the mountains up here allow for some solitude nearby. To get the same in SD, you'd have to head east. And even then, it's desert until you get up into the higher elevations (like out near Alpine brewing.)

    To me it's more than geography - people in SD tend to be friendlier, more laid-back, less cliquey, and they are much better (faster?) drivers than their Bay Area counterparts. Driving around here is stressful - I've never felt such road rage as I do when I drive on the 101 .
    101 is brutal. I avoid it all costs. 880 is a race track though but that's the other side of the bay. Interesting about the friendlier and more laid back comment. I remember the first week or so after I had left the Bay to go to school up at Humboldt State. Some random person said hello to me and I thought there was something wrong with them.

    I still love the bay area although there's a reason I live over the hill here in Santa Cruz County. I can access all the best parts of it whenever I want but I don't have to live in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    But you gotta pay to play in Southern California.
    Coincidentally, the real estate prices are usually a reflection of the job market. SD has a lot more high-paying jobs than Fort Collins.

    North county coastal is usually damn expensive because it's awesome. People will pay for the weather and the beaches.

    Surprising that Asheville is cheaper than Bend, although not by much. Portland seems to be a good deal at that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post

    I still love the bay area although there's a reason I live over the hill here in Santa Cruz County. I can access all the best parts of it whenever I want but I don't have to live in it.
    I'd be your neighbor if I could work closer. There's no way I'm commuting over the 17 just to come all the way up the peninsula for work (I hate commuting.)

    Plus, apparently you now have the hot new little brewery in the area. Would be nice to live near the beach again and have some great beer down the street - I used to ride my bike to Pizza Port for lunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtmartino View Post
    I'd be your neighbor if I could work closer. There's no way I'm commuting over the 17 just to come all the way up the peninsula for work (I hate commuting.)

    Plus, apparently you now have the hot new little brewery in the area. Would be nice to live near the beach again and have some great beer down the street - I used to ride my bike to Pizza Port for lunch.
    I commuted to SF from Santa Cruz for a year and a half. It was the worst. That was before I was married and had a kid. There's no way I could do it now. The job market is pretty bad here. Most non students either commute over the hill to SJ, scratch out some kind of living here in town, or have family money or roots here. Other than that there aren't a whole lot of options. I live here for the weather, the outdoor recreation and the crazy people. And yes, we finally have a decent (quite awesome) brewery. I wish we could get a Pizza Port North up here though. I think it would do well.

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    I hate LA. With a passion. Could not live there, ever.
    I needed an excuse to post this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Why the disparity between Boulder and Ft. Collins? Are there that many more jobs in Boulder? I would think they would be closer based on proximity/both college towns, etc.
    Boulder/Broomfield/Denver area has more job opportunity for sure...especially in high tech/startups. I read at one point there was more venture capital money going into Boulder county than the bay area. Boulder is a bit more upscale, kind of like a mini Santa Monica or La Jolla I guess you could say. It's got the biggest college in the state as well. I've seen more big Audi's in Boulder in one afternoon than many cities in Germany. It's borderline ridiculous.

    Fort Collins is more normal middle class america I guess you can say. More flannel, more dinged and dented vehicles, more working class. We're 70 miles north of Denver, so out of the "big city" feeling, though the area is sprawling. Just about everything is less than 5 miles, and there are many bike paths. For instance, I can ride 5.8 miles on a bike paths to work without crossing a intersection (or road for that matter with exception of my street I ride to get to the path) - it is very easy to ride here.

    In terms of bike riding, I can't remember the last time I had a rack on my car. We all ride due west of the downtown to bike trails. And for drinking beer, you can hit no fewer than 10 breweries and world class beer bars within 1 mile of downtown Fort Collins. Ride your bike everywhere. Continues to be "best place to live" for a reason. https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp...w=1920&bih=979
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    When i lived down in mission valley and worked in carlsbad. I would almost have to stop on my way home , because i left at a horrible time to be on the highways or a charger game. I would stop at Iron Fist, Mother Earth, Hess or Ballast Point to kill a couple hours, shooting the **** with them. When my wife and i moved to california from ohio, her rate of pay almost double from what she was getting in ohio.

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    < - Planning to visit Rough Draft on my way home today to pickup a special Brewery release bottle.... I love having about 15 breweries between my work and home...... :-)
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    Make sure you try some Kern River Citra next week. From their FB page:

    If you can’t join us up here in the mountains, next week we’ll be taking some down to San Diego Beer Week (we’ll be at Toronado on Tuesday, O’Brien’s on Wednesday and Encinitas Ale House on Thursday).

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    i was about to sign the why asheville is a better riding city than san diego thread.

    beer forum. that explains it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    We kind of like being under the radar up here after almost two decades of a grunge/hipster chic rep (see Hype for more info...).

    You could probably call Black Raven part of the third-wave movement here over the last couple of years -- an explosion of new breweries and, recently, distilleries. And one reason why you might not see distro outside of WA is that we drink most of it here!
    This is an interesting article addressing Washington breweries and the fact that they're still a little "behind the times."

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    Great little column there. He hits it right on the nose. It's not that there isn't quality beer in WA. It's just that the innovation or "passion" is lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Great little column there. He hits it right on the nose. It's not that there isn't quality beer in WA. It's just that the innovation or "passion" is lacking.
    Meh. The piece is interesting, but kind of ironic since guys like Adam at Reuben's (who's down the street from my place) and Matt and Heidi at Schooner Exact (Matt's a former semi-pro XC/DH racer and a total shredder) really represent the mainline direction of the brewing scene, rather than some marginalized "rebels".

    If anything, I think the scene is in a new creative cycle, sort of similar to "Third-Wave" coffee. Place like Pike, Pyramid, Red Hook and (earlier) Bert Grant's helped to pioneer a craft brewing trend in Washington back in the decade from the mid-80s to the mid-90s. The brewers that came out of that generation -- Dick Cantwell at Elysian for example, went on to start their own breweries and, for the most part, prospered. Witness the fact that it's very difficult to find a place in the state, whether blue-collar dive or college sports bar, that doesn't have at least one locally produced handle. Sure, we've got our share of beer snobs (uhhh...like me, probably); but local craft beer is not considered elitist or upscale.

    With that cultural success has come a certain level of comfort. However, over the last few years a whole new group of brewers is beginning to take the reins. Some of this cohort have been assistants in the larger, established houses; some are from the huge ranks of home brewers. Adam from Reuben's is an interesting example -- he is an engineer who started brewing less than 10 years ago as a hobby, began to win homebrew competitions, did the Siebel program and finally decided to go pro (though he's still trying to quit his day job) this year. There has been an explosion of new openings, and there are now somewhere around 170 breweries in the state. Wait a little longer -- when these guys have production to the point where they want to distribute outside of the state, you'll have the chance to see some of the innovation and passion that is supposedly lacking.

    And FWIW, those of us in the local scene know Steve Body's opinion quite well and while he's got his column in the online Seattle P-I, he is a wine guy. Definitely not very hooked into what's going on despite his protestations to the contrary. Let's just say, I attend a lot of beer events and he is never around....

    Better to read Kendall Jones's Washington Beer Blog, Geoff Kaiser's Seattle Beer News or Don Scheit's columns in the Celebrator. Steve's kind of old. And I say that as an old guy...

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    If you have to go around professing that your city is a better beer beer city than ours by creating new threads then obviously you are not and your insecurities proves it.

    Besides, we are just too busy riding some of the best trails in the world here in Western NC to deal with your nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeePhroh View Post
    Meh. The piece is interesting, but kind of ironic since guys like Adam at Reuben's (who's down the street from my place) and Matt and Heidi at Schooner Exact (Matt's a former semi-pro XC/DH racer and a total shredder) really represent the mainline direction of the brewing scene, rather than some marginalized "rebels".

    If anything, I think the scene is in a new creative cycle, sort of similar to "Third-Wave" coffee. Place like Pike, Pyramid, Red Hook and (earlier) Bert Grant's helped to pioneer a craft brewing trend in Washington back in the decade from the mid-80s to the mid-90s. The brewers that came out of that generation -- Dick Cantwell at Elysian for example, went on to start their own breweries and, for the most part, prospered. Witness the fact that it's very difficult to find a place in the state, whether blue-collar dive or college sports bar, that doesn't have at least one locally produced handle. Sure, we've got our share of beer snobs (uhhh...like me, probably); but local craft beer is not considered elitist or upscale.

    With that cultural success has come a certain level of comfort. However, over the last few years a whole new group of brewers is beginning to take the reins. Some of this cohort have been assistants in the larger, established houses; some are from the huge ranks of home brewers. Adam from Reuben's is an interesting example -- he is an engineer who started brewing less than 10 years ago as a hobby, began to win homebrew competitions, did the Siebel program and finally decided to go pro (though he's still trying to quit his day job) this year. There has been an explosion of new openings, and there are now somewhere around 170 breweries in the state. Wait a little longer -- when these guys have production to the point where they want to distribute outside of the state, you'll have the chance to see some of the innovation and passion that is supposedly lacking.

    And FWIW, those of us in the local scene know Steve Body's opinion quite well and while he's got his column in the online Seattle P-I, he is a wine guy. Definitely not very hooked into what's going on despite his protestations to the contrary. Let's just say, I attend a lot of beer events and he is never around....

    Better to read Kendall Jones's Washington Beer Blog, Geoff Kaiser's Seattle Beer News or Don Scheit's columns in the Celebrator. Steve's kind of old. And I say that as an old guy...
    Well said and I appreciate your input as a WA local. Still, from my perspective as an outsider, I have to agree somewhat with ol' Steve's assertion. Where is the Upright, Crooked Stave or Lost Abbey of Seattle or WA? I remember a time, like you probably do, when Washington state and the PNW in general was the king of "micro" beer and San Diego wasn't even on the map. As an outsider it just feels like WA is stuck in the 90's a bit. That's not to say that if you're not doing sour/fruit/barrel aged blah blah blah you are irrelevant but tastes and palates have evolved from 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    If you have to go around professing that your city is a better beer beer city than ours by creating new threads then obviously you are not and your insecurities proves it.

    Besides, we are just too busy riding some of the best trails in the world here in Western NC to deal with your nonsense
    Did you even check out my original post, it was more about my afternoon of tasting than anything else.
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    Please god will some city re-take the curse of the beer city title. Too many morans cluttering up my bars and trails. That and I don't think there is a enough time in the week to ride off the beer gut I'm sporting these days.

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    Trip update. My son's girlfriend comped me for the beer tasting at Broadway Pier. Score!!!
    Even got the food pairings upstairs. Had a great time and some great San Diego beers. Then stayed at her parents house in Encinitas and celebrated my son's 32 birthday in the lap of luxury.

    Coming from Sonoma County, San Diego is giving us a run for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton55 View Post
    Trip update. My son's girlfriend comped me for the beer tasting at Broadway Pier. Score!!!
    Even got the food pairings upstairs. Had a great time and some great San Diego beers. Then stayed at her parents house in Encinitas and celebrated my son's 32 birthday in the lap of luxury.

    Coming from Sonoma County, San Diego is giving us a run for the money.
    Maybe it was the much better weather ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattnmtns View Post
    Please god will some city re-take the curse of the beer city title. Too many morans cluttering up my bars and trails. That and I don't think there is a enough time in the week to ride off the beer gut I'm sporting these days.


    Sorry, I just had to do it!

    The word is "moron". Think of "Mormon" without the second "m".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post


    Sorry, I just had to do it!

    The word is "moron". Think of "Mormon" without the second "m".
    Nice. I think he was talking to the Australian "Moran" crime family though and urging us here in the USA to "go". Today I'm thinking about the word "Mormon" without the word "Mitt". I'm so glad we have a president that drinks the occasional beer and even has his chef brewing beer over a guy that's forbidden to drink beer ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    Nice. I think he was talking to the Australian "Moran" crime family though and urging us here in the USA to "go". Today I'm thinking about the word "Mormon" without the word "Mitt". I'm so glad we have a president that drinks the occasional beer and even has his chef brewing beer over a guy that's forbidden to drink beer ever.
    Mormon's drink like fish, but stop after they get re-converted on their "missions".

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    All wrong!

    Best city is Brussels. I think it is somewhere outside Bakersfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattnmtns View Post
    Please god will some city re-take the curse of the beer city title. Too many morans cluttering up my bars and trails. That and I don't think there is a enough time in the week to ride off the beer gut I'm sporting these days.
    Good point Matt.

    You are right, Asheville sucks for beer and out trails are horrible.

    Everyone go to San Diego, they are the best.

    Besides, we have way too many bees here.

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    Not that I want you all coming here but Grand Rapids, MI did just win Beer City this year:

    Breweries:
    Founders(enough said)
    Brewery Vivant
    Harmony
    Grand Rapids Brewing Co.
    Schmohz
    Hideout
    The Mitten
    Hopcat
    The B.O.B.
    Perrin


    that's just in Grand Rapids, take in the rest of these all within a short drive and were awesome!
    Bells
    Arcadia
    Dark horse
    Shorts
    Jolly Pumpkin
    North Peak
    New Holland

    We don't have the mountains of CO, but we've probably got 150 miles of legal trails within an hour drive of downtown

    And don't forget Lake Michigan, endless miles of some of the most beautiful beach anywhere.

    Yeah, I'm a little biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhugo71 View Post
    Not that I want you all coming here but Grand Rapids, MI did just win Beer City this year:

    Breweries:
    Founders(enough said)
    Brewery Vivant
    Harmony
    Grand Rapids Brewing Co.
    Schmohz
    Hideout
    The Mitten
    Hopcat
    The B.O.B.
    Perrin


    that's just in Grand Rapids, take in the rest of these all within a short drive and were awesome!
    Bells
    Arcadia
    Dark horse
    Shorts
    Jolly Pumpkin
    North Peak
    New Holland

    We don't have the mountains of CO, but we've probably got 150 miles of legal trails within an hour drive of downtown

    And don't forget Lake Michigan, endless miles of some of the most beautiful beach anywhere.

    Yeah, I'm a little biased.
    as someone who has been to Grand Rapids, I say yes; yes you are a little biased

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    Come on, be nice to my slightly conservative city!

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhugo71 View Post
    Come on, be nice to my slightly conservative city!
    I'm sure it's pretty nice; but you might want to check out the beaches in San Diego.

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    I've been to the beaches in San Diego, they are great, don't discount our beaches here if you haven't been.

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    Our scenery isnt too bad
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    Or our other "scenery"
    Why San Diego is a better Beer City than Ashville, NC-imageuploadedbytapatalk1352917043.572748.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhugo71 View Post
    I've been to the beaches in San Diego, they are great, don't discount our beaches here if you haven't been.
    As a native Californian, how about I just discount your weather?

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    All right, ya got me there.

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    hahaha, no kidding, most of those beaches are covered in snow during the winter.

    I do like Founders and Jolly Pumpkin, both great breweries!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I'm sure it's pretty nice; but you might want to check out the beaches in San Diego.
    I have. The water is thoroughly polluted with that salt stuff and it has sharks with big teeth too, yuck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    As a native Californian, how about I just discount your weather?
    That's a good one but you could have gone for our lack of mountains too. We don't have many earthquakes or a lack of good fresh water like Southern California does though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    That's a good one but you could have gone for our lack of mountains too. We don't have many earthquakes or a lack of good fresh water like Southern California does though.
    I live in northern California (SF Bay Area) and we have plenty of water, beaches, mountains and good weather; mountain biking was also invited here of course. Earthquakes don't happen that often compared to the disasters that hit other parts of the country like clockwork.

    In all fairness however, some places can flood or burn and the price of starter home would make your head explode!

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    Who is the "butterface" in that second photo? Is she supposed to be someone famous? Her "butterface" does not ring a bell (although it may have struck a bell a few times).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    Whoa Whoa Whoa there fellas.

    Fort Collins > asheville/san diago/Bend etc...

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    Ft. Collins, home to the worst mega-craft brewery in the country. What else does FoCo have that doesn't suck? It's been a while since I've been their.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhugo71 View Post

    Or our other "scenery"
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    Don't get me wrong, yes, I would hit that.
    However, she isn't that frigging hot where I would be posting pics up to brag about for the state.

    I used to live in Cali and there are way hotter women there.
    Hell, there are way hotter women everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    Ft. Collins, home to the worst mega-craft brewery in the country. What else does FoCo have that doesn't suck? It's been a while since I've been their.
    Ever had the Lips of Faith series? Super IPA is as good as anything made by Boneyard or Crux. New Belgium also makes awesome sours. La Folie, Le Terroir, Eric's, Love, etc.

    Fort Collins is also home to Funkwerks, Equinox, and Odell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhugo71 View Post
    I've been to the beaches in San Diego, they are great, don't discount our beaches here if you haven't been.
    I would take Wrightsville, Hatteras, Myrtle or Carlina Beach over ANY California beach. Why? Because they are so much cleaner, the water is clear and free of kelp and seaweed and you won't get a staff infection from swimming in it. And the best thing about beaches in NC? the water temp is 75 degrees or more all summer. Yes you can swim and not freeze your ass off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    I would take Wrightsville, Hatteras, Myrtle or Carlina Beach over ANY California beach. Why? Because they are so much cleaner, the water is clear and free of kelp and seaweed and you won't get a staff infection from swimming in it. And the best thing about beaches in NC? the water temp is 75 degrees or more all summer. Yes you can swim and not freeze your ass off.
    Staff infection, really? Millions of people swim in the ocean without getting a staff infection.

    The beaches are pretty nice in NC, we went there as a kid. The warm water is pretty awesome too.

    Not sure why we are comparing beaches but if we need to go there, the overwhelming reason I would pick the west coast over the east coast for beaches is the total lack of hurricanes on the west coast. East coast beaches can be scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandmangts View Post
    I would take Wrightsville, Hatteras, Myrtle or Carlina Beach over ANY California beach. Why? Because they are so much cleaner, the water is clear and free of kelp and seaweed and you won't get a staff infection from swimming in it. And the best thing about beaches in NC? the water temp is 75 degrees or more all summer. Yes you can swim and not freeze your ass off.
    Myrtle is in SC

    The water is warmer, but it's humid as hell there too. And there aren't as many breweries nearby.

    The guy you quoted, however, was comparing SD to Grand Rapids beaches. Two completely different animals. I did hear that they finally got some surf in the wake of Hurricane Sandy though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    Ft. Collins, home to the worst mega-craft brewery in the country. What else does FoCo have that doesn't suck? It's been a while since I've been their.
    Clearly only have had Fat Tire, eh amigo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I live in northern California (SF Bay Area) and we have plenty of water, beaches, mountains and good weather; mountain biking was also invited here of course. Earthquakes don't happen that often compared to the disasters that hit other parts of the country like clockwork.

    In all fairness however, some places can flood or burn and the price of starter home would make your head explode!
    Every place has its pluses and minuses, except maybe places like Iowa and Missouri. They're all minuses. Can't we all get along as Americans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    Every place has its pluses and minuses, except maybe places like Iowa and Missouri. They're all minuses. Can't we all get along as Americans?
    Well...Missouri has Boulevard and Iowa has this place that a friend was telling me is amazing so they're not all bad.

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