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    OT: over hyped beer dethroned after 8 years

    Apparently Pliny the Elder is no longer Zymurgy's top beer.

    It isn't bad, but the limited distribution and subsequent hype, meh.

    Pliny the Elder dethroned after eight years as Zymurgy's 'Best Beer in America' - SFGate

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Apparently Pliny the Elder is no longer Zymurgy's top beer.

    It isn't bad, but the limited distribution and subsequent hype, meh.

    Pliny the Elder dethroned after eight years as Zymurgy's 'Best Beer in America' - SFGate
    A little negative there. Who is Zymurgy?
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    A magazine focused on homebrewers. They do an online survey where people vote for their favorite beer.

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    No surprise. Still good though,
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    Good, now all you over hyped craft beer tourists gtfo so I can enjoy drinking local again without an hour wait.

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    Hex IPA from Fall River. You have to drive up to the northern third of the state to get it though. Damn refreshing after climbing most of Shasta. You're all welcome.

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    I would take a Stone Ruination (for starters) before a PtE. But, hey, whatever melts your butter.
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    What's the latest gasoline-tasting overhopped beer in the IPA pissing wars?
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    They have good stuff, but I agree it's a bit over-hyped and the limited CA distribution (non-existent in Santa Cruz) leaves a bitter taste... however I did stock up on a few of their beers over the last month during a few recent Mendo trips

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    I guess I need to try hopslam fresh. How lucky are we that good beer has taken off in America? It's not Belgium but IPA and a day in the mountains works for this jerkass.
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    OT: over hyped beer dethroned after 8 years

    So many contrarians just because Pliny is popular


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    Quote Originally Posted by gryphonics View Post
    A magazine focused on homebrewers. They do an online survey where people vote for their favorite beer.
    There's a certain irony is a "homebrewer" magazine naming bells #1 when they're such f*cks towards homebrewers who've asked simple questions about their beer. Meanwhile RRBC gets so much hate as overhyped because of limited distribution whilst Vinnie goes out of his way to help homebrewers.

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    I'll take pretty much anything from the Brewing Lair (up the street) or SARA in Scruz over the same priced Pliny.

    I preferred Ballast Point (Sculpin and such) before Pliny.

    Russian River refusing to sell to certain marketed and keep "scarcity", eh. Marketing ploy.

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    How is PTE over hyped? It's a beer. You like it or you don't. If you like it, you might tell someone you like it. Pass it on. I think it's okay. I like their blind pig better.

    Over hyped IMHO is something blown out of proportion. Like the Ebola scare.

    If true, 8 years of love for a beer not everyone can get is pretty good.

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    ...and it's currently on tap at the Trailhouse. Works for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomchakabowwow View Post
    How is PTE over hyped? It's a beer. You like it or you don't. If you like it, you might tell someone you like it. Pass it on. I think it's okay. I like their blind pig better.

    Over hyped IMHO is something blown out of proportion. Like the Ebola scare.

    If true, 8 years of love for a beer not everyone can get is pretty good.

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    I would say hyped.

    Pliny the Younger... now that's overhyped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukas View Post
    There's a certain irony is a "homebrewer" magazine naming bells #1 when they're such f*cks towards homebrewers who've asked simple questions about their beer. Meanwhile RRBC gets so much hate as overhyped because of limited distribution whilst Vinnie goes out of his way to help homebrewers.
    I take it you're a homebrewer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukas View Post
    There's a certain irony is a "homebrewer" magazine naming bells #1 when they're such f*cks towards homebrewers who've asked simple questions about their beer. Meanwhile RRBC gets so much hate as overhyped because of limited distribution whilst Vinnie goes out of his way to help homebrewers.
    Even sharing his recipes so that we can (attempt to) reproduce it.
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    Hahahahahahaha ... is there a Pliny near beer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    Even sharing his recipes so that we can (attempt to) reproduce it.
    I didn't know that. That's really cool and stand up!
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    Speaking of which, anyone know where I can find said overhyped Pliny around Truckee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    I take it you're a homebrewer?

    In the end, product quality will win over the beer nuts.
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    Even sharing his recipes so that we can (attempt to) reproduce it.
    Years ago he made a homebrewer scaled clone of his PtE recipe available, I think it was in BYO but I don't remember.

    I reached out to him several years ago as I was trying to clone their R2H56 beer with a question and he responded not just by answering my one question (I was off on the grain) but giving me their grain bill (by %), hop schedule and some other process pointers. I turned that into a clone that I feel is 95% there, and extremely well reviewed and has even medaled (not by me).

    By contrast I tried contacting Bell's one to ask them about their yeast choice and I got back a very generic our beers are proprietary and we don't divulge blah blah blah.

    Now don't think I'm shitting on Bells, I like their beer although until recently it was impossible to get unless I had a buddy in MI mail it to me (and even then I always preferred Founders) it's simply a contrast in philosophies between the two companies, and it irks me when people harp on RRBC saying it's over hyped or it's all a marketing ploy to keep their beers scarce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    I guess I need to try hopslam fresh.
    Yes, yes you do, true nectar of the gods, the key to unlocking doors of flavor and inebriation.

    I organized a winter race (have since handed it off to someone else) and we'd always open a keg of Hopslam for the finishers. You've never seem pandemonium until you've witnessed bonking riders swilling Hopslam around a 30' bonfire on a frozen lake.

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    I think at this point (and in the last several years) it has been a marketing ploy/scarcity exercise. They are/were going to be building a new facility but I haven't heard much about it lately so we'll see if it changes. I still enjoy a PtE now and again and it is really good, but what has happened is that now there are probably a dozen DIPAs that I could pick up within the area that are just as good if not better. It was not always this way! PtE earned it's rep because for several years (a LONG time in today's rapidly changing beer world) it was the only strong IPA you could get, AND it was really good. I think their stay small model/desire is just reaping some of the negative aspects of the growing beer economy. Namely in this case that there are a lot of really good DIPAs/TIPAs out there now.

    But man things have changed since we could just casually stroll into places like RRBC. You've got entire facebook groups setup to trade extremely hard to get beers from all over the country. The midtown "bros" rent vans to drive out to our little suburban bars because of something special on tap (true story, couldn't even get into Final Gravity that day). People take days off from work to stand in line at Moonrakers latest (probably phenomenal) can release. What all this adds up to is a lot of passion that tends to shove out the casual craft folks. As much as I LOATH the line-up-for-releases thing that has started, we have an amazing variety of great beer now.

    I don't know much about Bells but the anecdotes about their attitude makes me way less interested in even searching these out. I'll just stop by Claimstake on my way home instead.

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    i think is saw a computer generated image of the new location in Windsor.

    my wife works damn near next door to them..so when when i have to occasionally go to pick her up, i get there early and slide up to the bar for a PILS or Blind pig. it's fun, and it's always crowded.

    Crooked Goat has a HopFog on tap now that is damn good. it's cloudy looking..very good. that place is hot tho..no AC or it barely works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayPee View Post

    I organized a winter race (have since handed it off to someone else) and we'd always open a keg of Hopslam for the finishers. You've never seem pandemonium until you've witnessed bonking riders swilling Hopslam around a 30' bonfire on a frozen lake.
    I like the sound of that!
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    Finally had a bottle of Pliny the Elder......verdict......meh....

    Admittedly I haven't looked for it earnestly over the years in the west Placer County region, but after seeing so many posters on MTBR touting it as a bottle of wonderful I was expecting a lot more from it. It tastes exactly the same as a lot of other IPAs from other brewers....including some of the big national companies. Absolutely nothing special...absolutely dont understand the hype. I almost feel the collective great unwashed masses of MTBR have been in on a big joke foisted on me since 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    Finally had a bottle of Pliny the Elder......verdict......meh....

    Admittedly I haven't looked for it earnestly over the years in the west Placer County region, but after seeing so many posters on MTBR touting it as a bottle of wonderful I was expecting a lot more from it. It tastes exactly the same as a lot of other IPAs from other brewers....including some of the big national companies. Absolutely nothing special...absolutely dont understand the hype. I almost feel the collective great unwashed masses of MTBR have been in on a big joke foisted on me since 2004.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nilswalk View Post
    Speaking of which, anyone know where I can find said overhyped Pliny around Truckee?
    New Moon used to get it but that was about 6 years ago or so and i've not seen it recently. Best bet is take a trip down to Santa Rosa - ride Annadel and fill some growlers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    I can only conclude you have no palate or it was old. Did you happen to catch a bottling date?
    Have a palate...I am actually a genetic supertaster (and a rare one as well being male with a German/Scandinavian/Amerind background), so I can sus out the subtleties between brews pretty well. Just feel Pliny is quite common in flavor compared to a lot of other IPAs on market. I am sure at one time it was unique, but now there are equals if not better recipes being used by other brewers. And I have tasted and tested a lot of IPAs trying to find one I would call the Holy Grail.

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    Said it before, and I'll say it again. Blind Pig is BETTER.
    -Have to agree with Bokchoi too, there are sooooooooooooo many breweries with recipes equal-too or better than Pliny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    Have a palate...I am actually a genetic supertaster (and a rare one as well being male with a German/Scandinavian/Amerind background), so I can sus out the subtleties between brews pretty well. Just feel Pliny is quite common in flavor compared to a lot of other IPAs on market. I am sure at one time it was unique, but now there are equals if not better recipes being used by other brewers. And I have tasted and tested a lot of IPAs trying to find one I would call the Holy Grail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inter71 View Post
    Out of curiosity, which beers do you consider closer to the Holy Grail?
    Have yet to find one, as far as IPAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    Have yet to find one, as far as IPAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Aw c'mon. That's not even an answer. Put yourself out there man.
    i like that Red IPA at fogbelt.
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    and Blind Pig.

    better. just me tho.. i have a regular calibrated palette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Aw c'mon. That's not even an answer. Put yourself out there man.
    Someone on here, could have been you FC, once described the experience of Pliny as "sucking on a pinecone"...so I assume it is supposed to be favoring stronger hop flavor over the malt...the IPAs of that nature that I like are Lagunitas Hop Stupid, Firestone Walker Wookey Jack, Knee Deep Brewing Hoptologist and Breaking Bud, Out of Bounds brewing Joyrider, Highway 1 Brewing Minted, Moylan's IPA. Even though some of these are rather mainline and commonly available, they have more that intrigues my palate than that Pliny did...it reminded me of IPAs available from Anchor Steam, New Belgium, and Kona Brewing...kind of characterless...no soul. I will give Pliny another taste, to be sure, to make sure I did not get a bad bottle/batch. But for now, I rate Pliny as "Meh"...and completely agree with the "dethroning" the OP posted about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    .it reminded me of IPAs available from Anchor Steam, New Belgium, and Kona Brewing...
    As noted above, I'm not a big "PtE is the best!" guy, but this comparison makes no sense what so ever. I suspect your "genetic super taster" determination is of your own creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    Someone on here, could have been you FC, once described the experience of Pliny as "sucking on a pinecone"...so I assume it is supposed to be favoring stronger hop flavor over the malt...the IPAs of that nature that I like are Lagunitas Hop Stupid, Firestone Walker Wookey Jack, Knee Deep Brewing Hoptologist and Breaking Bud, Out of Bounds brewing Joyrider, Highway 1 Brewing Minted, Moylan's IPA. Even though some of these are rather mainline and commonly available, they have more that intrigues my palate than that Pliny did...it reminded me of IPAs available from Anchor Steam, New Belgium, and Kona Brewing...kind of characterless...no soul. I will give Pliny another taste, to be sure, to make sure I did not get a bad bottle/batch. But for now, I rate Pliny as "Meh"...and completely agree with the "dethroning" the OP posted about.
    'Sucking on a pine cone' is something I would never use to describe Pliny. That's very negative and usually claimed by haters who don't even like IPA.

    You named some good ones up there but I really don't enjoy any of those. Most of them are so bitter and unbalanced.

    Pliny is a great measuring stick. It's been around for 10 years or so and has established this great genre of hoppy, floral, aromatic IPAs. Many, many IPAs are better than it now but it's always good to pay homage to the king.

    The quality of bottled Pliny has been degrading a little in my opinion and that has me concerned.

    Anyway, I made these top caps 4 years ago since that's how we judged new IPA's. Is it better, as good or not as good as Pliny...OT: over hyped beer dethroned after 8 years-mtbr-kustomcaps-4.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    'Sucking on a pine cone' is something I would never use to describe Pliny. That's very negative and usually claimed by haters who don't even like IPA.

    You named some good ones up there but I really don't enjoy any of those. Most of them are so bitter and unbalanced.

    Pliny is a great measuring stick. It's been around for 10 years or so and has established this great genre of hoppy, floral, aromatic IPAs. Many, many IPAs are better than it now but it's always good to pay homage to the king.

    The quality of bottled Pliny has been degrading a little in my opinion and that has me concerned.

    Anyway, I made these top caps 4 years ago since that's how we judged new IPA's. Is it better, as good or not as good as Pliny...
    What do you (or anybody) have against pine cones? The alluring scent of pines have long made them synonymous with freshness and purity. Think of all the air fresheners with "pine scent".

    Where does the name "pineapple" come from? The taste or the look? (Or both?)

    Hawaiian-style pizza and PTE---yummy!!! (To each their own though; I will concede that Pliny is reminiscent of pines. Or pineapples.)

    Since Pliny is so hard to get down in my neighborhood it'll always be a treat. Hard to wear out my pallet if I taste it only 2 or 3 times a year.

    BTW @Bokchoicowboy I believe Wookey Jack has been discontinued by Firestone. Another favorite of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Ped View Post
    What do you (or anybody) have against pine cones? The alluring scent of pines have long made them synonymous with freshness and purity. Think of all the air fresheners with "pine scent".

    Where does the name "pineapple" come from? The taste or the look? (Or both?)

    Hawaiian-style pizza and PTE---yummy!!! (To each their own though; I will concede that Pliny is reminiscent of pines. Or pineapples.)

    Since Pliny is so hard to get down in my neighborhood it'll always be a treat. Hard to wear out my pallet if I taste it only 2 or 3 times a year.

    BTW @Bokchoicowboy I believe Wookey Jack has been discontinued by Firestone. Another favorite of mine.
    Pine cones are AWESOME!

    But have you ever tried sucking on one? Or using it as TP?

    I rest my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Pine cones are AWESOME!

    But have you ever tried sucking on one? Or using it as TP?

    I rest my case.
    You need to be using the very young ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Ped View Post
    You need to be using the very young ones.
    Aahhhh. All these years I've been traumatized just envisioning it with the crusty ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BStrummin View Post
    As noted above, I'm not a big "PtE is the best!" guy, but this comparison makes no sense what so ever. I suspect your "genetic super taster" determination is of your own creation.
    Whatever pal...just calling it like I tasted it...and supertasters are a thing, was actually part of a study in young adulthood that a colleague of my physician was conducting at UCI in So. Cal.

    I really was expecting more, especially considering the glowing descriptions usually seen here on MTBR. FC's comment that Pliny is "balanced" is something I expected to experience when drinking the stuff...saw that description previously...I would say it is balanced but not what I would call exceptionally flavorful. Not bitter, but not memorable. Not really what I would call aromatic, hence my comparison to some of the swill that passes marginally for IPA.

    I probably should have known better than to diss Pliny on this message board, seeing that some people around here get very butthurt when someone speaks their mind on such things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    I'll take pretty much anything from the Brewing Lair (up the street) or SARA in Scruz over the same priced Pliny.

    I preferred Ballast Point (Sculpin and such) before Pliny.

    Russian River refusing to sell to certain marketed and keep "scarcity", eh. Marketing ploy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    I read something recently discussing the private resale market for SARA brews at up to $500/bottle. I thought it was in Edible Monterey Bay magazine but I can't seem to locate the article online.
    It was the Chronicle.

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    The whole craft brew thing has become such a consumer competitive thing that I just can't get into it anymore. How many beers you've rated on BA or how many uniques you have on whatever app, who waited in line longest for some obscure release... I'm always amazed at the kids that take days off work and travel hundreds of miles to pick up a couple cans of pretty good beer that will be consumed in 15 minutes but photographed ad nauseum and shared on 15 different social media venues to prop up fragile egos. Pliney was a groubreaking beer, it set the entire IPA trend off on it's merry little path and is still one of my favorites for a lot of reasons if not just to remember how the craft brew scene used to be. Old grumpy guy rant done...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    I read something recently discussing the private resale market for SARA brews at up to $500/bottle. I thought it was in Edible Monterey Bay magazine but I can't seem to locate the article online.

    -I tell you guys what.... I just finished a growler of a SARA IPA that a friend brought to Martini Monday Happy Hour. It was good. That's it. Nothing spectacular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMFT View Post
    -I tell you guys what.... I just finished a growler of a SARA IPA that a friend brought to Martini Monday Happy Hour. It was good. That's it. Nothing spectacular.
    I've had the bottle of $500 SARA, Sante Adairius Rustic Ales.

    It was very good indeed. I'd shell out $25 for that. Maybe $30 if it's a super hot day.
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    Whatever pal...just calling it like I tasted it...and supertasters are a thing, was actually part of a study in young adulthood that a colleague of my physician was conducting at UCI in So. Cal.

    I really was expecting more, especially considering the glowing descriptions usually seen here on MTBR. FC's comment that Pliny is "balanced" is something I expected to experience when drinking the stuff...saw that description previously...I would say it is balanced but not what I would call exceptionally flavorful. Not bitter, but not memorable. Not really what I would call aromatic, hence my comparison to some of the swill that passes marginally for IPA.

    I probably should have known better than to diss Pliny on this message board, seeing that some people around here get very butthurt when someone speaks their mind on such things.
    supertaster? i know they exist. they end up doing things like being pro-tasters at coffee companies and stuff. super cool..i even think the pro-scent guys at perfume companies are supertasters. i saw a documentary where one guy had his tastebuds insured..and he was not allowed to eat certain foods. IIRC, i was a kid when i saw the show.

    Me? my wife had to slap tainted food out of my mouth..i am not a supertaster. i once ate a bad potsticker, and was about to eat the second one..when my wife knocked it off my chopstick. it was turned..i just cant taste that sour flavor efficiently.

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    I probably should have known better than to diss Pliny on this message board, seeing that some people around here get very butthurt when someone speaks their mind on such things.
    This whole thread is dissing Pliny. But you just gotta make sense a little bit and have some credibility if you're gonna trash the Elder.
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    I'm thinking you did have a bad one (old/stored improperly), because you said you like Breaking Bud/Joyrider/Wookey Jack (a rye IPA btw), and then compared Elder to Anchor/New Belgium/Kona (really?). I mean in a blind taste Elder just straight up has a much similar profile to the former than anything coming out of the latter. That's what I meant by your comparison not making sense. Elder is a little more malt forward than Breaking Bud (one of my favs) but to compare it to Kona make no sense to me whatsoever. And again, I'm not a RRBC fanboy, and I don't even drink that much pliny. I turned one down the other day from my local bottle shop and got a quizzical dog look back from the guy. For me it's more of a respect your elders type of thing.

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    What's the latest gasoline-tasting overhopped beer in the IPA pissing wars?
    agreed. you should stick with Miller.

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    agreed. you should stick with Miller.
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    FWIW I went to Ales and Trails last month at China Camp and the brewer line up was: Faction, Fieldwork, HenHouse, Rugged Coast, Cellarmaker, Lagunitas, and Iron Springs.

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    As much as I like PtE (and I really do!), I have to say that the Citra I had from Knee Deep Brewing last night was DELISH! Not near the pine overtones, but way up on on the citrus/pineapple.
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    I can't read this long thread, but when is beer ever OT. Beer and mtb is like mtb and water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMFT View Post
    -I tell you guys what.... I just finished a growler of a SARA IPA that a friend brought to Martini Monday Happy Hour. It was good. That's it. Nothing spectacular.
    Their IPA's are solid but that's not what they're known for.

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    I can't read this long thread, but when is beer ever OT. Beer and mtb is like mtb and water.
    mtb and water go together?
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    Space Dust is my favorite IPA. I also have been enjoying Mother Earths Boo Koo


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    Actually my own homebrew IPA is the best.....


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    FWIW I just had a Stone "Enjoy By" 07.04.17 and it was well worth whatever Costco sold it for. An honest IPA IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Ped View Post
    FWIW I just had a Stone "Enjoy By" 07.04.17 and it was well worth whatever Costco sold it for. An honest IPA IMHO.
    7-4 was amazing. And looks like you followed directions and enjoyed it by...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moe Ped View Post
    FWIW I just had a Stone "Enjoy By" 07.04.17 and it was well worth whatever Costco sold it for. An honest IPA IMHO.
    I had the same tonight and it was excellent!! As for Pliny, it is much better on tap than out of the bottle. In fact, its not that good bottled and I can think of plenty of others I would rather drink. Knee Deep Lupulin River!

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    New tactic. Can we all just agree that RRBC are the devil, PtE is way overhyped and if you support them you're supporting killing of all adorable kittens?

    Tell your friends, stay away. Go drink Lagunitas err I mean Heineken.

    I'm absolutely totally being serious. In no way do I simply want my post ride drinking spot back without having to endure an hour long line with dipshits taking selfies of themselves outside of the building "for the gram".

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    not a huge IPA fan , but recently bought a kona brewing 18 pack from costco that had a pinapple ipa, it was excellent! perfect for summer

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    Quote Originally Posted by f0nz0 View Post
    not a huge IPA fan , but recently bought a kona brewing 18 pack from costco that had a pinapple ipa, it was excellent! perfect for summer


    If you're not into IPA, I would suggest don't buy ipa like that.

    There's some very good lagers and golden ales now. Wheats too. More refreshing and more flavor.
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    Did my bi-weekly trip to Costco today; the still had some "Enjoy By" 07.04.17 and I was having a crisis in deciding how many to buy!

    Did today count? Is it cheating to save one for the 4th? Should I just buy the goddam flat???

    I eventually settled on 5 being the right number of 07.04 but they looked lonely so I:
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    Being from the Midwest I sure do love my PTE when I get to Santa Rosa for a visit. I do think it's piney as was mentioned earlier and that is what I like about it. I also agree, and this is a great problem to have, that there are a ton of solid DIPA's and TIPA's out there now so maybe some of the PTE luster is starting to wear off but I think PTE definitely put DIPA's on the map. Last year I happened to be in Santa Rosa when Younger was on and yes I waited in line a couple of evenings during the week to have some. It didn't change my life but it sure was great to try, very tasty and it was a fun beer geek experience. I will say that what I really appreciated about Younger was that it was just so smooth and well balanced for a TIPA. Cheers!


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    Voodoo Ranger taste like elephant dung strained through a cankled gym sock. Plenty of overhyped brewers out there, RRBC aint one of them.
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    Those monsters! Boycott those overhyped hacks right meow!

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    Very classy!!
    And more for MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
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    Does it make IPAs taste better when they come in green cans or labels?
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    Very classy!!
    And more for MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
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    Does it make IPAs taste better when they come in green cans or labels?
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    The worst part about PTE is being able to find it on the shelf.... Unless you are religious about knowing when the deliveries are it is a hard one to find....

    Whether it is worth hunting for is purely up to your own taste buds, I happen to like many other Double IPA's more than Elder, but it is a very good beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayem View Post
    does it make ipas taste better when they come in green cans or labels?
    hypothesis confirmed:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    The worst part about PTE is being able to find it on the shelf.... Unless you are religious about knowing when the deliveries are it is a hard one to find....
    It's never on the shelf at the places I get it - it's usually in the back and is offered on request. Have you tried asking some of the smaller/better stocked stores? There are several here in Sac that usually have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nilswalk View Post
    Speaking of which, anyone know where I can find said overhyped Pliny around Truckee?
    7-Eleven on Palisades in Truckee used to carry it. They could only get 2 cases a month and most were spoken for before it hit the shelf. But, sometimes there were some unspoken for and it was always cool to see bottles of Pliny sitting in the single beer cooler door at a convenience store just like any other beer.

    The distributor stopped delivering to the Tahoe area about a year ago so you probably will not find it up here. Not sure I understand why they don't want to get such a great tasting beer to more people. Luckily for me, the brewer of my favorite beer wants nothing more than for people to enjoy their delicious nectar.

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    I can drive 2 miles from my house and I can get it on tap and 2 other places has it in bottles. I drink something else. 5 years ago I almost pulled the bartender over the bar at R.R. and beat him within an inch of his life because he was a F********hole to me. I don't drink their beer anymore.

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    All of the beers on their list except for Pliny are widely available in my neck of the woods, and I enjoy them all. I'm not an IPA fan in general, but I do like Bell's Two Hearted and Hopslam, though I usually only buy it once when in season. Founders makes a lot of delicious beers, too, and Zombie Dust is the local favorite. Haven't got my hands on a Dark Lord yet, though. Lots of places tap a keg of Zombie Dust when it shows up, and it usually gets drained pretty quickly. It's good to see beers I can actually get make lists like this.

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    Anybody tried Bale Breaker Top Cutter IPA? I generally can't find an IPA that I really like, but I tried it in WA in 2015 on tap and thought it might be the best beer I've ever tasted. I'm going back next week, and ready to see if I still think it is "all that and a bag of chips."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BStrummin View Post
    It's never on the shelf at the places I get it - it's usually in the back and is offered on request. Have you tried asking some of the smaller/better stocked stores? There are several here in Sac that usually have it.
    I have on occasion, but down here in San Diego most retailers do put it on the shelf once it comes in, you just have to arrive on shipment days or know the store owner well enough. Like I said there are plenty of other IPA's that are better IMHO than Pliny to make it worth my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukas View Post
    There's a certain irony is a "homebrewer" magazine naming bells #1 when they're such f*cks towards homebrewers who've asked simple questions about their beer. Meanwhile RRBC gets so much hate as overhyped because of limited distribution whilst Vinnie goes out of his way to help homebrewers.
    Bell's wrote up and published a clone recipe for Two Hearted Ale in the new issue of Zymurgy including water additions etc... Who did they treat poorly exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKenzie View Post
    Bell's wrote up and published a clone recipe for Two Hearted Ale in the new issue of Zymurgy including water additions etc... Who did they treat poorly exactly?
    Cool, perhaps they've changed their tune a bit then. It certainly wasn't my experience when I've reached out to them, nor was it that of several other homebrewers I've talked to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukas View Post
    Cool, perhaps they've changed their tune a bit then. It certainly wasn't my experience when I've reached out to them, nor was it that of several other homebrewers I've talked to.
    I had no idea that they had a reputation for being like that. Don't know if you have any interest but this is what was in Zymurgy.
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    Heady Topper?

    [QUOTE=fc;13227326]Canned beer used to be bad.
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    Now some of the best are only found in cans.



    Anyone had an experience with this very overhyped Imperial IPA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RooHarris View Post
    Anyone had an experience with this very overhyped Imperial IPA?
    I was able to get a can of Heady from a Beer Store owner I know in SD, he always has something special in back you need to ask him about.

    Heady was delicious, very piney and earthy from what I recall, this was a number of years ago. I shared it with a friend and we drank it out of glasses, not from the can.

    If I lived where i could grab a sixer of it off the shelf of my local store, I would do so, but like so many other good beers it is not worth doing much more than that these days.
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    Anyone had an experience with this very overhyped Imperial IPA?
    Heady is delicious, lives up to any and all hype. As opinions go, this is one, but head and shoulders above Pliny.

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    Kinda of like music isn't it, what does over-hyped actually mean? We can all list a million bands we love and why they are great only to have somebody else say they suck and are way overhyped. In my mind, beers, like musicians fall into (3) categories:

    1 – Technical ability
    2 – Groundbreakers / boundary pushers
    3 – Marketable

    #3 is really the ‘overhyped’ beers IMO. Beers that have a flashy label, that are neither groundbreaking nor are that well done but have somehow made a name for themselves and have a reputation, for whatever reason.

    I think #1 and #2 both have a place in my fridge, either combined or singular. I’ve had beers that are ‘interesting’ that may need some work, I’m glad I tried them and would recommend them to guys that like to try new stuff and are open minded. I’ve had beers that IMPROVE upon others ideas that are really nice as well, but didn’t come up with the idea, maybe they copy-cats, but hey good beer is good beer.

    I think Pliny falls firmly into both #1 and #2, it should be respected given the context of its history as really the first solid/balanced IPA that is somewhat obtainable. We can’t lose sight of its influence on the industry and it certainly still holds up well. It’s ‘reputation’ has probably outlived its share in the marketplace as top level IPA though.

    I like it, it’s not super interesting these days, but still a fun solid old friend. My buddies love it and you guys can only imagine how good of a bartering tool it is! I always pick up a case or two in SR when I am down there, drink a bit, and trade a bit.

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