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    No good Ok, beer prices are getting stupid

    I was going to hit the new brewery about 20 miles from me- great beer, good atmosphere, but no food. Then I got to thinking: why should I drive all that way, have a couple of beers, buy a growler to bring home, risk a DUI on the way home, all for almost $40? (Growler=$20, 2 beers=$14 plus a $2 or $3 tip. Oh, yeah, plus gas and maybe the $10k+ DUI) That's crazy. I could go to Raley's and buy 4 six-packs (24 beers!) of really good different beers for the same price, plus drink (some of) it at home without repercussions (well, aside from the usual drunken posts ).

    It's stupid. Beer venues are really over-priced, and I'm starting to second-guess my barleypop spending habits. And tipping a buck for someone smiling, turning around and pouring a beer and handing it to me? Jeez.

    I went to a friend's house last weekend and stocked up on the Naughty Native IPA brewed by the local casino (Feather Falls in Oroville). The Grocery Outlet has bombers of this nectar for $4 each. That's a beer-and-a-half for half the price of what the local breweries charge for a freaking pint.

    Has anyone else begun to rebel against the stupid-high prices these places charge? Or am I just old and crotchety?
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    Agreed it's overpriced. Just as cocktails and shooters are. But they have to break even financially and it's not an easy business. I mean, it's like McDonald trying to keep up selling only McFlurrys and with a less efficient business model. Go to the strip clubs instead, at least you'll be glad to give them the tip when they turn around
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    I'm thinking yes more and more.

    We just enjoyed some limited run and special brews from the area while my bro in law visited - $12 six packs. Out of curiosity I added the IPA from brewery a mile away from my house. Their 12 pack cans can often be had for $13-14. I had a big smile to have the visitors from NORCAL and Portland find the neighborhood and nearly 1/2 the price beer in the same league.

    Said thing about the brewery in the neighborhood is they've been at it 31 years and feel the competition from all the little upstarts. They probably need silly names and new art. They do stuff like call their Pilsner Pilsner. OTOH, maybe more will start appreciating their great beer at far more reasonable prices.
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    If you donít mind poor quality, you can still get a 30pk off Busch Light for $15.95.

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    I quit drinking micro brew a long time ago, them being overpriced was part of that.

    You've got to hand it to them though, they've done a great job of making beer drinking some sort of competition where the person with the most discerning tasting skills "wins".

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    Drink more whiskey.

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    Part of the prices depend on where you live.

    Granted still not cheap, even just a random bar is expensive these days. Its not the owners fault though. Licensing, insurance, location, all that overhead is INSANE anymore. Plus the cost of a micro brewery for the equipment itself is crazy, its become a "pastime" to drink micro brews. Demand has gone up, so does price.

    It actually makes me chuckle at the money people will pay for a beer but same people will complain about a $9 day pass for a park that has trails (but many other things to do as well) or haggle a bike shop to save $5 on a $100 part.

    I dont mind it if going with friends/riding buddies. Have a beer or 2 after good day of riding. But hard to find ones I actually enjoy. IPAs are just horrible. So Im much happier with a six pack Modelo, Canoe Paddler or Summer Ale in a cooler and chilling at the trail head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitflogger View Post
    They probably need silly names and new art.
    Im always a little wary of silly names/art, plus that all costs money


    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    You've got to hand it to them though, they've done a great job of making beer drinking some sort of competition where the person with the most discerning tasting skills "wins".
    you do have to hand it to them, they've done a great job at turning wankers into beer snobs
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    I quit drinking micro brew a long time ago, them being overpriced was part of that.

    You've got to hand it to them though, they've done a great job of making beer drinking some sort of competition where the person with the most discerning tasting skills "wins".
    Could not have said it better. Bravo.
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    Those prices are stupid. I walk a quarter mile to the brewery and have 48oz for $15. If I fill a growler itís $10.

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    I ride 3 miles of singletrack from my driveway to the local brewery's driveway then get beer for free because the owner is a MTBer and likes to keep us trailbuilders well-lubed.

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    Breweries are popping up everywhere here in CT. The saturation is incredible. I just don't think they can all be sustained, especially when some of the beers are just average. One brewery charges $16 on a growler refill. At $4/pint, it's not really a bargain for beer you take home. Most local breweries around here don't offer food, so beer is their only source of revenue.

    It's not much different in regular restaurants. Most are charging $8+ for a micro/nano pint, and anything over 7% is going in a 12 oz. tulip glass.

    Buying in the store is just as bad. If I buy two 4-packs, I can easily be out $35. I was describing a beer to a buddy and actually said the words, "AND, it's ONLY $11.99 for a 4-pack." Had me scratching my head.

    I've recently gone back to Harpoon IPA. One of my staples from my Boston days. I can get a CASE of loose bottles for less than $27 out the door, and that can last me a couple weeks.
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    It does depend some on where you live. The local brewpub where I used to live in Indianapolis had some nice prices. In the $10 for a growler fill range.

    Now I live in Asheville and prices are generally higher at the smaller places I've visited. But there are so many choices I haven't even scratched the surface on them yet. The bigger places are making prices a bit more competitive, I think. New Belgium, Sierra Nevada, Oskar Blues. New Belgium is the closest big one to me.

    My house is a bit more out of town, though, so anytime I want to go somewhere, it's definitely something I've gotta decide. Wicked Weed has a production facility just a couple miles away, but they don't do tours or a tasting room yet (it is only a couple years old). That's the closest place I'm aware of yet.

    Haven't gotten into growler fills yet. That's a bit more complicated in NC than in IN. In Indiana, pretty much any brewery would fill any growler. Sometimes they might want to put a sticker on, but sometimes not. Here in NC, and especially in Asheville, it seems that most won't fill someone else's growlers. Legally, they can, but there are strict sanitation laws for growler fills, and most don't want to eat up all that time sanitizing the growler you brought in. It seems most places treat growlers in an exchange program. So you buy a growler, and when you bring it back for a fill, they put it into a rack of "dirty" growlers and give you a sanitized one for your fill. I think they essentially just put them in a dishwasher. I'm testing the market, so to speak, and will only get growler fills at places that will fill my existing growlers, or will buy a limited number of growlers from places whose beers I particularly like. So far, I've just been buying beer at the grocery store. And the grocery stores really only carry beer from the larger locals that package their beers, so the selection is somewhat limited.

    I don't get too bent out of shape on prices. If I want something I'm going to drink a good amount of, or I'm stocking up for an event, then I'm going to buy something less expensive, but still tastes decent. If I want a small amount of something for a special occasion, then I'm willing to spend more. It just depends. My wife and I treat wine purchases much the same way. Right now, if I want something less expensive but local, New Belgium is pretty much what I'll buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I ride 3 miles of singletrack from my driveway to the local brewery's driveway then get beer for free because the owner is a MTBer and likes to keep us trailbuilders well-lubed.

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    Even more expensive if you develop a taste for aged sours that cost $20-30 for 750ml bottles. I brew my own and have a huge kegerator at home.. but still end up drinking a lot at breweries just cuz its something to do. Also I enjoy the form factor of cans. I'm often too lazy to fill up a growler from my tap. I love being able to just throw a few cans in a cooler and head out the door.

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    $7 for a pint is ridiculous. Most pints here are $5 and under & most are 20oz imperial. I'd say $3.75-$4.50 is average. Doubles & other high end batches are still <$7 for a 12oz pour. I can get my growler filled at just about any grocery store & there are stores that do nothing but fill growlers for $8 of what's on special. I'm not talking crap, just got a growler of Boneyard RPM for $7.99. There are seemingly countless pour houses that have a $2 pint night, usually Tuesdays. I thought we reached brewery saturation 5 years ago but there is a new one every month & they're all busy. I don't care how good your beer is, if you average $7 a pint I won't be going there.
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    Growler fills around SD seem to regularly be in the $16-18 range these days even for basic brews. Just a few years ago you seemed to get those for $9-10. It doesn't make sense to pay more for a growler fill than for a six pack of the same beer at retail prices, especially when the brewery doesn't have to pay for distribution and has no middle man.

    Bombers of anything barrel aged are getting out of control too. Modern Times for example seems to have most of their premium bombers at $30. And you probably have to pay a couple hundred $$ to join their beer society for the privilege of getting bent over on bottle prices. I'm sure its good beer but I'm not paying $30, $20 or even $15 for a bottle.

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    I started brewing my own beer a few years ago. I bought cheap, basic stuff to get going. You can buy a pre-built kit on Amazon for $110 and that includes a batch of beer. I have basically what the kit has, but the one thing I added was a wort cooler for $40.

    The local homebrew store sells pre-made beer recipe kits for $40-50, or you can put together your own for about $35. A 5 gallon batch makes about 52 12 oz. bottles.

    Bottles were easy - I saved some from store buys, and a friend gave me a bunch. I actually started buying a french fizzy water for awhile that came in 750ml wire bail topped bottles. Makes bottling a little easier, and they reseal.

    I'm dead serious, it is fun, easy, and every single one of the twenty or so batches I've made have turned out great, just as good as any bottled microbrew. I made a lager that just killed. I give a lot of it away, and everyone seems to love it. Or they are just kind?

    It helps that my wife loves to make the beer, but she doesn't drink any of it! I still buy beer occasionally when I run out of homebrew, but I'll reach for a homebrew every time if they are in the fridge.

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    I wonder what the average mtn bike ride cost? Factor in bike cost alone most people are probably in the $20-$30 range per ride. Bike over 5k & you can double that. Factor in gas, gear, beer etc & wow...it's pretty expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    I wonder what the average mtn bike ride cost? Factor in bike cost alone most people are probably in the $20-$30 range per ride..
    Only if you buy and throw away a new bike every season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    I ride 3 miles of singletrack from my driveway to the local brewery's driveway then get beer for free because the owner is a MTBer and likes to keep us trailbuilders well-lubed.

    Life's tough.

    Need to be riding more west of me. Can a pack some pulled pork in my camelbak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    Need to be riding more west of me. Can a pack some pulled pork in my camelbak?
    Absolutely!
    And maybe a Bourbon Stout for good measure.

    I finished the final bottle off last night btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    I wonder what the average mtn bike ride cost? Factor in bike cost alone most people are probably in the $20-$30 range per ride. Bike over 5k & you can double that. Factor in gas, gear, beer etc & wow...it's pretty expensive.
    Yowzer. Your bike needs gas? Bummer. Or gives you gas? Major bummer. 2013 Spec. enduro, $ 2600 or so. 2015 Trek farley, 2,500 or so. $ 20-30 a ride? You are doing it wrong. 2000 spec, now as a commuter, fuji reale, $ 30.00, now a winter commuter. Karate Monkey, at least 10 yrs old, 29, commuter, now bike packer. Surly 1x1, has seen front sus, 1x1, 1x9, 3" tires( thanks slappy) 29er x 2" tires, bike packing, double dinglespeed, rigid front now with 29er studded tires, may go to front sus with 26x 2.8 tires for another bikepacking rig. I live 200yds from great singletrack, can pedal to more than I can rid in a week.

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    All you guys buying growlers? Hosers for complaining. MA guy here. No growlers for me. Try some sierra nevada 12 packs. Jacks Abby lagers are $ 10 for some of the seasonal 6 pack tall boys, yes please. Try wine or bourbon if you think beer is expensive. I don't go to bars all that often, so there's that. Look at the price per ounce. Bombers? Not many for me. Sure I get the 4 pack tall cans for $ 12-15 sometimes, but not always. Cases every year of sierra nevada narwhal, bigfoot, and celebration( 3 last year) Waiting in line for hype? Not me. Pedal on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Only if you buy and throw away a new bike every season.
    It's certainly relative to how long you keep a bike & how often you ride.

    I was just discussing this with a friend of mine who keeps logs of basically everything. He has a $2600 kona process that he has ridden 130 times over 3 years. That's $20 a ride. He has also put a new carbon wheelset, drivetrain, brakes, a better pike fork and had his shock rebuilt in that time. He put the total cost at 6k= >$46 a ride. I'm guessing that's pretty average for an avid rider.

    I don't keep track of such things & counter'd if you're going to assign a dollar amount per ride you'd have to counterbalance that with a $ value for enjoyment, health, memories etc. Maybe worthy of it's own thread, dunno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    Yowzer. Your bike needs gas? Bummer. Or gives you gas? Major bummer. 2013 Spec. enduro, $ 2600 or so. 2015 Trek farley, 2,500 or so. $ 20-30 a ride? You are doing it wrong. 2000 spec, now as a commuter, fuji reale, $ 30.00, now a winter commuter. Karate Monkey, at least 10 yrs old, 29, commuter, now bike packer. Surly 1x1, has seen front sus, 1x1, 1x9, 3" tires( thanks slappy) 29er x 2" tires, bike packing, double dinglespeed, rigid front now with 29er studded tires, may go to front sus with 26x 2.8 tires for another bikepacking rig. I live 200yds from great singletrack, can pedal to more than I can rid in a week.
    It's going to very per rider for sure. I build a new high end bike frame up every 3 years or so. Not going to say what my last build cost but it was at least 2k more than the previous build to get the same top build & that's taking my time over the winter looking for deals. I'd have to figure out how many days I ride a year but I simply can't put a price on the enjoyment factor for me. I'm single, no kids, no debt, and mtb is my favorite sport going for many years now. There will come a day when I can't ride as hard or get out & explore like I do now so the money into a bike is worth it for me.
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    Try to calculate a cost for riding if you want, but I see MTB as adding value to your life and creating memories.

    Having beers is enjoyable too, but in excess it only adds pounds and makes your memories hazy. I'd cut beer out long before I'd cut back on MTB. Or any of the other things I spend money on that aren't essential to survival.

    Bikes are a sunk cost. Trying to calculate a cost per ride is pretty pointless as a comparison IMO. You might have only done 100 rides in a certain period in which you could have done 1,000 rides. The only thing that would tell me is that I need to ride more.

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    But it's like someone around here's signature says, mountain biking is a lot cheaper than a heart attack from clogged arteries and similar health problems caused by a lack of exercise. Especially if you don't crash and end up in the ER!
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    Cost of bike and its upgrades to suit my preferences I dont keep track of. Still cheaper than annual insurance premiums. Especially before ACA caused prices to go nuts. And major increase coming again (my wifes work is in an uproar over it cause its a BIG one).

    When prices were based on a persons health, my premiums for amazing insurance was crap and deductible was tiny.

    With that in mind, not counting an crash induced injury, being healthier due to riding means less concerns over deductibles having to be paid every year and less out of pocket expenses for doctors visits since they are fewer. As is lack of prescriptions needed.

    In my case I could buy a $6000 bike every 2 years if I dont have to worry about the deductible every year. Not that lucky, but at 3k deductible alone, healthier life style makes more sense.

    Doctor visit once or twice a year. Second is if I get a sinus infection and need antibiotics. $200 a year at most.

    And compared to most of you Im not THAT healthy and in shape, yet anyway. And many here probably work for companies that actually offer decent insurance.

    So bike, gear (initial purchases, not maintenance) to me is a $0 cost each year. And I keep a bike for 3-4 years so far. It keeps me out of the doctors, keeps me eating decently.

    Comes down to cost of fuel to get to trails. $7 max per trip except for the more rare trips that are a couple hours or so away. But those usually go along with a family camping trip.

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    I've just started visiting the new micro-brew-bars around home, and I don't like the model. If I'm paying $8 or more + tip for a pint, I would at least like it brought to me instead of having to go up and stand and wait for it at the bar. My next gripe is that every time I go back, they have different beers, and half the time I end up spending $8 to $10 for a pint I didn't even like.

    The only reason I go to those places is to get sours. If I wanted an IPA there are 40 different ones at the grocery store for some reason, but I'm tired of only tasting hops especially on a hot day. I'm seeing some sours starting to turn up on shelves, and I'm looking forward to more of that.
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    Just ask them for a taste before you order a pint. If its a place that is that expensive you can probably do half pints or tasters too. And no one is forcing you to tip. But if the staff help you out in picking beers it is probably worth the tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    I started brewing my own beer a few years ago. I bought cheap, basic stuff to get going. You can buy a pre-built kit on Amazon for $110 and that includes a batch of beer. I have basically what the kit has, but the one thing I added was a wort cooler for $40.

    The local homebrew store sells pre-made beer recipe kits for $40-50, or you can put together your own for about $35. A 5 gallon batch makes about 52 12 oz. bottles.

    Bottles were easy - I saved some from store buys, and a friend gave me a bunch. I actually started buying a french fizzy water for awhile that came in 750ml wire bail topped bottles. Makes bottling a little easier, and they reseal.

    I'm dead serious, it is fun, easy, and every single one of the twenty or so batches I've made have turned out great, just as good as any bottled microbrew. I made a lager that just killed. I give a lot of it away, and everyone seems to love it. Or they are just kind?

    It helps that my wife loves to make the beer, but she doesn't drink any of it! I still buy beer occasionally when I run out of homebrew, but I'll reach for a homebrew every time if they are in the fridge.
    This.

    I bought one of those 1 gallon homebrew kits from Barnes and Noble a couple years ago just to try it out. It was an American Pale Ale. The brewing experience was fun and the beer was decent. (not a huge pale ale fan) I enjoyed it enough to invest a little more on equipment to make 5 gallon batches. The beer I like to make is a Belgian Quad from a local homebrew store. 13+% abv. It's a little more costly to make than most beers, but I'm still saving a ton of money by brewing it myself. $85 to buy the ingredients and makes ~26 24 oz bottles. So it's $3.26 per bottle compared to $18-20 from the store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Just ask them for a taste before you order a pint. If its a place that is that expensive you can probably do half pints or tasters too. And no one is forcing you to tip. But if the staff help you out in picking beers it is probably worth the tip.
    Yeah that's what I've been doing, but it just feels cheesy doing that every time especially if it's busy.
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    You'll get over it. Go often enough and get to know the staff, it's not a big deal at all.

    If you don't like IPAs try getting them to mix it with a stout. Ballast Point turned me onto that. Can be shockingly good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    You'll get over it. Go often enough and get to know the staff, it's not a big deal at all.

    If you don't like IPAs try getting them to mix it with a stout. Ballast Point turned me onto that. Can be shockingly good...
    Maybe. It doesn't seem to bother the bartender after all.

    IPA and stout could be interesting. Still though I'm a sucker for sours now.
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    Something I'm trying to figure out is the etiquette involved with growlers, and I feel goofy asking. Some of these bars have growler fills that come out WAY cheaper than buying by the pint, but is it proper to get a growler filled and then just use it like a pitcher if you want to stay there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNTall View Post
    Something I'm trying to figure out is the etiquette involved with growlers, and I feel goofy asking. Some of these bars have growler fills that come out WAY cheaper than buying by the pint, but is it proper to get a growler filled and then just use it like a pitcher if you want to stay there?
    I'd just ask. Around here "small pitchers" are kinda popular. Where you get about 2 & 3/4 beers for the price of 2 beers. I drink them at the bar all the time but will always tip for 2 beers minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNTall View Post
    Something I'm trying to figure out is the etiquette involved with growlers, and I feel goofy asking. Some of these bars have growler fills that come out WAY cheaper than buying by the pint, but is it proper to get a growler filled and then just use it like a pitcher if you want to stay there?
    Depends on the State/County/City Booze Laws. In some places Growlers are To-Go only and not allowed by law to be consumed on the premise.
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    You'll get over it. Go often enough and get to know the staff, it's not a big deal at all.

    If you don't like IPAs try getting them to mix it with a stout. Ballast Point turned me onto that. Can be shockingly good...
    Or just get a stout
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    But it's like someone around here's signature says, mountain biking is a lot cheaper than a heart attack from clogged arteries and similar health problems caused by a lack of exercise. Especially if you don't crash and end up in the ER!
    Thatís from something a guy here once said to me: ďno matter how much I spend on bikes, itís cheaper than a cardiologist.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    All you guys buying growlers? Hosers for complaining. MA guy here. No growlers for me. Try some sierra nevada 12 packs. Jacks Abby lagers are $ 10 for some of the seasonal 6 pack tall boys, yes please. Try wine or bourbon if you think beer is expensive. I don't go to bars all that often, so there's that. Look at the price per ounce. Bombers? Not many for me. Sure I get the 4 pack tall cans for $ 12-15 sometimes, but not always. Cases every year of sierra nevada narwhal, bigfoot, and celebration( 3 last year) Waiting in line for hype? Not me. Pedal on.
    Just got an email today about this year's Celebration now available here in CT. One of my favorites. I usually drink it all through the winter. Also liking Otter Creek Free Flow IPA in 12 packs.
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    i would rather have a beer at home than over pay for going out. But when i do go out, you are also paying for the atmosphere. However, i get essentially unlimited free beer so i would rather have my buddies over and kick back by the firepit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmattjohnson View Post
    i would rather have a beer at home than over pay for going out. But when i do go out, you are also paying for the atmosphere. However, i get essentially unlimited free beer so i would rather have my buddies over and kick back by the firepit.
    After reading this and looking at your avatar, I was wondering if you were connected to Stone. Love Arrogant Bastard, and love Double Bastard even more. So pissed when I found out they aren't making DB this year! I have an 8 year vertical put away in my basement. I was going to drink them with friends when I had 10 years.

    I made a post in a different thread about how I can't find certain "year-round" local beers because the breweries are brewing small batches of every style that's "HOT" at any one time. You've got breweries putting out every style with every hop/fruit combination possible, yet the beers that got people interested in their brewery, are nowhere to be found.
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    Seems like Ballast Point started the premium above $10 a six pack trend. I paid $15 for 6 down the street from the brewery a few years ago. Then last year I'm driving around in the Oregon desert and paid $9 for 6 in Fields, Oregon. Fields is literally the only store within 100 miles. They could ask $20. Then I started in on Snake River Brewery's Pako's IPA. But that's like $12 for 6 locally now. Basically, I've really cut back on my beer drinking. I'd go back to home brewing because I was really good at it, but... I can't ride enough to keep up with all the calories.

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    The reason for this post is the same reason my friends and I mainly hang out at one another's houses. Bar prices are getting serious, uber + a 12 pack of good beer is way less than a trip to the bar, or, a DWI.

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    Doing *almost* anything yourself saves money, and adds to one's skillset. Apres ride, if it's summer, I'd rather a few tailgate beers than going and sitting somewhere noisy. Even better is head home for some freshly deep fried tortilla chips, homebrew, and fresh chopped salsa in the back yard. (Obviously, not in the winter...brrr)
    The way I look at it is I cannot refine gasoline, or machine a bottom bracket, so I'm not gonna sweat buying gas, or bike parts, but I can install those parts myself and I can brew a pretty damn good homebrew for about 10% of the cost of buying it out.
    The ironic thing is that in BC, booze is one of the most heavily taxed items you can buy, yet the ingredients to make it are all considered foodstuffs, and therefore have no taxes whatsoever on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    You've got to hand it to them though, they've done a great job of making beer drinking some sort of competition where the person with the most discerning tasting skills "wins".
    This has been happening in all kinds of areas for a long time...also applies to the MTB industry.

    Going out to a restaurant/bar/brewery to sit and drink beer has always been more expensive, no? I thought you were paying for ambiance.

    I'm a fan of staying at home and inviting people over to drink but sadly most friends would rather go to a restaurant, bar, or brewery. They all seem to have excess money and limited time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woofer2609 View Post
    Doing *almost* anything yourself saves money, and adds to one's skillset. Apres ride, if it's summer, I'd rather a few tailgate beers than going and sitting somewhere noisy. Even better is head home for some freshly deep fried tortilla chips, homebrew, and fresh chopped salsa in the back yard. (Obviously, not in the winter...brrr)
    We all chipped in $20 and bought a propane fire pit to keep us warm during winter Apres Ride!
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    there is a bar here in phoenix that has 7.5-8% ipas for $5 (tuesdays) for 22 ounce draft... called Casey Jones.. had a few green flashes this past tuesday...

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    If you look at beer prices, both at the store and at the bar/restaurant, and adjust for cost of living/inflation, they haven't changed in the last 20-30 years. Yes it's more expensive now than then but everything else is too. In the 1990's, Lowenbrau (that I don't see anymore) was $4/six pack, Budweiser (if you can even call that beer) was the same price, maybe $3/six pack and the imported beers like Beck's, St. Pauli Girl, Heineken, etc. were $6/six pack. Now the lower-end beers are $6-8/six pack and most of the better beers, at least the mass-produced ones, are $10-12/six pack. So prices have doubled in the last 20-25 years, just like inflation and the cost of living doubled. Prices have not gone up relative to those factors. In the restaurant/bar, the average beer is $5-6, and 25 years ago it was $3-4, so that's no change either when adjusted, in fact it's gone up less compared with store beers.

    Yes, it's cheaper to drink store beer and go into a bar. Some college friends used to do that a lot. One of them had an out of state expired ID so he had to constantly go to the liquor store and then back to the bar. One night this butch waitress caught him drinking at the very end of the 1 PM last call, I thought she was going to kill him. He was drinking right out of the pitcher; she grabbed it, slammed it down on the table, beer spills everywhere, and she yells get the hell out of my bar. She only had to say it one time. We looked at each other like damn, she means business so we quickly left. That guy used to get in trouble a lot. I'm glad I experienced those days but would not want to relive them now lol.

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    Get a keg

    I just got a 5 gallon keg the other day for $59...thatís approx 53 beers, on tap. Iím supporting my local brewery, getting beer on tap, and saving money. My girlfriend brews beer, so we already had the kegerator stuff. Beer prices are definetly out of control. I rarely go out for a beer...itís usually when Iím travelling.

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    This is exactly why I no longer enjoy "going out". A 6 pack of Stone Enjoy By is $16 (very good price for a very good beer IMO). A 10oz of Stone Enjoy By at the local publik house is $4.5 (good price as well). But add two more beers and a sandwich...and you're at $30.

    We try not to eat out more than once a week--this includes lunches. When we go out together (i.e. date night) we have stopped ordering alcohol. Especially when you taking your 24 and 21 yr old sons to dinner, drinking can kill your budget.

    Also, the same case can be made for food. $12 for a burger? $25 for a steak? You can buy an awful good lump of meat at Costco/SAMs/local IGA for $25-50. And since you're at home, no DUI's.

    Yes, I am joining the ranks of crotchety and cranky old dudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bingemtbr View Post
    This is exactly why I no longer enjoy "going out". A 6 pack of Stone Enjoy By is $16 (very good price for a very good beer IMO). A 10oz of Stone Enjoy By at the local publik house is $4.5 (good price as well). But add two more beers and a sandwich...and you're at $30.

    We try not to eat out more than once a week--this includes lunches. When we go out together (i.e. date night) we have stopped ordering alcohol. Especially when you taking your 24 and 21 yr old sons to dinner, drinking can kill your budget.

    Also, the same case can be made for food. $12 for a burger? $25 for a steak? You can buy an awful good lump of meat at Costco/SAMs/local IGA for $25-50. And since you're at home, no DUI's.

    Yes, I am joining the ranks of crotchety and cranky old dudes.
    I do think eating (and drinking) out is the number one reason people go into debt when they don't need to. Once in a while you'll hear people getting some money and blowing it on cars, vacations, etc., but most of the wasted money day by day, month by month, is on restaurants. Both my brother and sister eat out a lot and they are both in debt, and they wouldn't be if they simply cooked at home for all these years. It's a very simple thing to do even if its boring.

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    A couple years ago I drove from Philly to Vermont with a buddy to buy a bunch of heady topper. The same winter I wasted a whole pto day driving around my area to find hopslam. I'm DONE going out of my way for beer. If something good is in front of me, I might buy it.

    The "scene" and the jobless people who sit in lawn chairs at beer releases so they can re-sell for profit is played out. My area has multiple brewers canning endless variations of the same goddamn unfiltered IPAs. One of them is even so clever there's no text on their labels, just edgy graphics like a photo of a bearded guy in front of trees. You have to learn to associate the "art" with their even more clever names like "nothing" and "pneumatic spray". But there's no shortage of morons lining up to pay $20 a 4 pack right now. Lol

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    I moved from Boston to Vermont and beer prices are still high here but better than some Boston breweries. I recall paying up to $22 for a 4 pack at Trillium which is just insane. That was also sometimes coupled with waiting a long line. I recall when Lawson's Sip of Sunshine became available in Boston some liquor stores only let you but 1 can and charged $5 for it. F---that.

    Up here I roll down to the local store on Heady delivery days and stock up every couple weeks with usual VT brews. I pay around $12-$14 a 4 pack which isn't too bad. My days of waiting in line for beer are over but I'll still happily pay a bit of a premium considering the quality of beer I am fortunate to get here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    A couple years ago I drove from Philly to Vermont with a buddy to buy a bunch of heady topper. The same winter I wasted a whole pto day driving around my area to find hopslam. I'm DONE going out of my way for beer. If something good is in front of me, I might buy it.

    The "scene" and the jobless people who sit in lawn chairs at beer releases so they can re-sell for profit is played out. My area has multiple brewers canning endless variations of the same goddamn unfiltered IPAs. One of them is even so clever there's no text on their labels, just edgy graphics like a photo of a bearded guy in front of trees. You have to learn to associate the "art" with their even more clever names like "nothing" and "pneumatic spray". But there's no shortage of morons lining up to pay $20 a 4 pack right now. Lol
    This. Iím glad craft brewing has developed to the point that itís not hard to find something good nearly everywhere. I prefer to drink local product, so unless Iím traveling Iím completely uninterested in whatever great beers there are to be found elsewhere.

    Unless Iím in Moab. Then I bring my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    I quit drinking micro brew a long time ago, them being overpriced was part of that.

    You've got to hand it to them though, they've done a great job of making beer drinking some sort of competition where the person with the most discerning tasting skills "wins".
    There's nothing wrong with enjoying the fruits of someone's labors. I often pay for things i can't make myself.

    You should quit mountain biking too. MSRP / Miles ridden = more than you're paying for a beer.

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