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    Beer and your manhood

    Who is bugged about the deleterious effect of beer on testosterone? Do you guys just ignore this fact?
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    Um, living a reasonably healthy lifestyle, not swilling enormous amount of cheap beer,
    enjoying the good stuff in moderation, not fretting too much!

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    Why has the Beer Forum turned into the anti-beer forum?



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    Oh, just man the heck up. I am 60, and if I could ever catch a cute one, me thinks that ain't the problem. My wife told me to go to the doc and get some of those pills that would help improve our sex life. When I brought her home some diet pills, I was moved out to the couch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas_martel View Post
    Who is bugged about the deleterious effect of beer on testosterone? Do you guys just ignore this fact?
    ignorance is (drunken) bliss
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    Quote Originally Posted by chas_martel View Post
    Who is bugged about the deleterious effect of beer on testosterone? Do you guys just ignore this fact?
    It's not a fact. Just ask your friendly neighborhood search engine.

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    Something tells me the OP watches too much T.V.

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    Somehow the species continues to procreate even though beer has been a part of life for thousands of generations.
    There is another prolific poster that leans towards hysterical fear of phyto-estrogens. Perhaps the two of you should meet and have tea or coffee.
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    This study showed that ~3 beers a day for three weeks resulted in a 6.8% decrease in plasma testosterone levels. /yawn

    Effect of moderate alcohol consumption ... [Alcohol Clin Exp Res. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI

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    Those who worry about beer reducing their "manhood", are those men who do not have manhood to spare in the first place. The rest of us drink beer so as to bring us down to the level of mortal men. Without doing this, you pathetic, low testosterone weaklings would burst into tear on sight, and us real men do not enjoy the sounds of sobbing man babies who's genitalia has long since been removed.

    Cheers!

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    Need a shot of testosterone?
    Go swing a McLeod or clean some drains on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas_martel View Post
    Who is bugged about the deleterious effect of beer on testosterone? Do you guys just ignore this fact?
    So what you are saying is that drinking beer is taking my manhood away.

    Now the real question is what robbed you of yours?

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    I'd still love beer even if I had a vagina.

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    It scares the hell out of me...so I compensate by wrestling bears, eating glass, and driving a tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFryauff View Post
    It scares the hell out of me...so I compensate by wrestling bears, eating glass, and driving a tank.

    Science!
    This.





    Also to the OP, Drinking in moderation will not reduce a mans testosterone. If it was truly an issue men would of stopped being able to make babies a long time ago. You do realize beer has been around longer than trumped up studies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    Why has the Beer Forum turned into the anti-beer forum?
    YES!!!
    I F-ing Love the daylights out of beer. I drink 2 beers a night on average, One of the most enjoyable things in life.

    Screw the studies, pass me a pint.
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    I'm in my mid 40's and have been drinking beer for damn near 25 years. Still hornier than a 30 peckered billy goat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boognish View Post
    I'm in my mid 40's and have been drinking beer for damn near 25 years. Still hornier than a 30 peckered billy goat.

    You know what they say, "the older the bull, the stiffer the horn".

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    I have plenty of testosterone to spare. Drinking beer and hanging on Pinterest and Etsy help me to get in touch with my feminine side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hpirx View Post
    Um, living a reasonably healthy lifestyle, not swilling enormous amount of cheap beer,
    enjoying the good stuff in moderation, not fretting too much!
    I totally agree! With all the great beers out there, there is ZERO reason to drink anything but the good stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas_martel View Post
    Who is bugged about the deleterious effect of beer on testosterone? Do you guys just ignore this fact?
    Don't bother. As you can see from the responses, bringing up any of the negative health facts about beer will get you personally attacked and there will be weak and laughable attempts to try to brand you as a troll. The true believers over-worshiping daily at the the Altar of the Golden Hops just don't want to see, hear or speak anything bad about their true love: beer.
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    ^^Oh snap! Right on time. Seems tl1 has a new playmate to help disseminate anti-beer propaganda in the BEER forum. Good show!

    As for my testosterone level, I find a good night out on the town chasing skirts and fighting cops while choking lions for sport seems to align the planets enough that I don't worry too much. Though I am a bit concerned that I have taken to crossing my legs in a feminine fashion as of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    Don't bother. As you can see from the responses, bringing up any of the negative health facts about beer will get you personally attacked and there will be weak and laughable attempts to try to brand you as a troll. The true believers over-worshiping daily at the the Altar of the Golden Hops just don't want to see, hear or speak anything bad about their true love: beer.
    TL1 I hope you do not feel that I have personally attacked you....personally.

    My suggestion to you would be to reduce your headstrong fervor against beer in a sub-forum that is specifically devoted to it. Its not your opinion that result in you being branded "troll" its the imprudent persistence, and obstinate refusal to let bygones be bygones . You do present some interesting facts, and I can respect for your undauntable drive to educate us on the health risks of beer; but I fail to comprehend why MTBR's BEER sub-forum is the ground on which you chose to make your stand.

    You will not convince me, and probably most others; to stop drinking beer because of these studies. Loosen up a bit and these threads won't be blown as out of proportion.

    Think of us as your crazy buddies that are fun to hang out with, but you probably aren't going to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    Don't bother. As you can see from the responses, bringing up any of the negative health facts about beer will get you personally attacked and there will be weak and laughable attempts to try to brand you as a troll. The true believers over-worshiping daily at the the Altar of the Golden Hops just don't want to see, hear or speak anything bad about their true love: beer.
    First off...I think you're swell.

    Secondly, I would imagine if there was a "toothpaste" forum on these boards, you'd be wreaking havoc over there as well. Right?
    Heavy metals, pesticides, fluoride, chlorine and estrogen-mimicking chemicals are...and have been...manipulating the receptor sites in our endocrine systems for decades.
    These days, the average testosterone level of an adult male is 400-500 ng/dL (nano grams per deciliter), with the total possible range between 200-800ng/dL, barring outliers. However, these numbers are shockingly low when you realize that barely 100 years ago, the range of testosterone in adult males was 800-2000 ng/dL.
    Trust me...moderate recreational beer drinking is not the issue...human nature and bad consumerism is.
    I'm with you on being a proponent of a "healthy" lifestyle, but you're barking up the wrong tree by attacking beer. Anyone with enough of a drinking problem in which beer alone is sapping estrogen levels is a farce, at that point it's an overall lifestyle issue, beer is just fractional component.

    I'm not sure if you were touched by beer inappropriately as a young child, but it would explain a bit.

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    We (heart) you, TL1!

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    Think of us as your crazy buddies that are fun to hang out with, but you probably aren't going to change.
    Or maybe, in keeping with the holiday spirit, you can think of us as your drunkles who tell really funny jokes then pass out on your front lawn after dinner.



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    I'm not sure if you were touched by beer inappropriately as a young child, but it would explain a bit.
    And maybe we touched you just a little bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    TL1 I hope you do not feel that I have personally attacked you....personally.

    My suggestion to you would be to reduce your headstrong fervor against beer in a sub-forum that is specifically devoted to it. Its not your opinion that result in you being branded "troll" its the imprudent persistence, and obstinate refusal to let bygones be bygones . You do present some interesting facts, and I can respect for your undauntable drive to educate us on the health risks of beer; but I fail to comprehend why MTBR's BEER sub-forum is the ground on which you chose to make your stand.

    You will not convince me, and probably most others; to stop drinking beer because of these studies. Loosen up a bit and these threads won't be blown as out of proportion.

    Think of us as your crazy buddies that are fun to hang out with, but you probably aren't going to change.
    Oh brother. Here's a fact for your perusal: the more the people here deny the facts and try to brand people presenting health facts about beer as "anti-beer", or "tin-foil hat wearers" and so on, the more it activates my desire to present the facts. That's because "everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” If that annoys anyone here that is their problem not mine. I'm not trying to stop anyone from drinking beer or trying win converts or to make beer drinking friends or outlaw alcohol or "make a stand" or whatever else the fevered imaginations around here come up with. I'm simply presenting the information.

    I'm not "anti-beer", I'm drinking one right now. I'm basically just saying that it's another straw on the camel's back among all the other carcinogens and endocrine disruptors we're continually exposed to when you consume beer at levels greater than the drinking guidelines based on the latest information. There are many carcinogens and endocrine disruptors that can't be avoided, this one can. To me it doesn't seem to be something that should provoke the backlash of hysteria that it does, but it does. I could care less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    TL1 I hope you do not feel that I have personally attacked you....personally.
    Almost forgot. No I don't think you attacked me personally. Others have though and that was probably after they had a few beers and their thinking ability had been shut down.

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    ^^^ tl1, I got bad news for you, we all die. You just choose the path to get there. My path is not your path. I don't need you telling me how to get there.

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    We're not annoyed by the facts. We're annoyed by you constantly pointing out the facts in every thread that has the least bit touch on health. We get it, more than1-2 beers a day is deleterious to our health; we choose to make choices that negatively affect our health, you do not. Congrats, now, run along Sally, the adults are trying to have a conversation about one of our favorite things and don't need to keep being reminded that it's killing us since we already have a pretty good idea about it.
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    Sure the beer might slow me down a bit.... but a nice bottle of wine for MojoWife and she starts to warm up. It's all good, Baby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton55 View Post
    ^^^ tl1, I got bad news for you, we all die. You just choose the path to get there. My path is not your path. I don't need you telling me how to get there.
    Exactly where did I tell you or anyone to do anything? The fevered imaginations are at work again, have another beer pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    Almost forgot. No I don't think you attacked me personally. Others have though and that was probably after they had a few beers and their thinking ability had been shut down.
    I dunno about that, but I think your thinking ability was shut down when you came in to the beer forum trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas_martel View Post
    Who is bugged about the deleterious effect of beer on testosterone? Do you guys just ignore this fact?
    I just drink strong beer (<7%+ ABV) daily (I simply will NOT drink cheap-ass swill brew ) and do lots of Z3/Z4 riding when not drinking. Oh, and I eat well (cannot remember the last time I ate junk/fast food—it’s been a number of years) too—lots of fresh vegetables and fruits. My d¡ck is still in proper working condition—I’m only 42—perhaps time will tell a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I just drink strong beer (<7%+ ABV) daily (I simply will NOT drink cheap-ass swill brew ) and do lots of Z3/Z4 riding when not drinking. Oh, and I eat well (cannot remember the last time I ate junk/fast food—it’s been a number of years) too—lots of fresh vegetables and fruits. My d¡ck is still in proper working condition—I’m only 42—perhaps time will tell a different story.
    It's your chin I would worry about
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    This thread makes me want to cry in my beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O View Post
    This thread makes me want to cry in my beer.
    Or "rub one out" in some Debbie Downer's Cheerios.



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    (p.p.s.,for those not-in-the-rub-one-out-know, this article may help)
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    ^^This post brought to you by the letter Deschutes and the number 10Barrels in conjunction with at least two truck stop growlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I just drink strong beer (<7%+ ABV) daily
    You consider less than 7% to be strong beer?

    "Or did you mean >7%"

    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerJoe View Post
    It's your chin I would worry about
    did the beer cause the ummmmmm DROP



    Still in the top 10 avatars in my opinion
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    Couple of things: I don't think alcohol content has anything to do with the affect on T levels. How many beer devotes also race? My understanding is that beer is unique among alcoholic beverages.

    The main reason I started this thread was due to the oddity of having a beer forum here in the first place. I suppose this site consist of a VERY broad range of members. The sites I compare it to are primarily MMA\MA\boxing and weight lifting sites. Those sites take a very critical stance on beer all due to the negative affects associated with pursuit of the sport(s) in question. I just find it interesting the number of people herein that don't care about the outcome of beer consumption.

    I don't give a darn if you guys drink every day. That's just me, I don't care if you smoke, drink, ram each other in the ass etc and so on. Just an observation that I find it odd so many herein drink beer and seem to also aspire to be fast on a bike. I suppose that last point is where I got off track. How many of you are in the upper echelon of your peers
    on race day and still are OK with regular consumption of beer?

    PS: Why don't some of you sling some more derogatory insults my way, my self esteem is high enough that your "insults" roll right off my back.

    PS2: To the person giving me a negative rep and the comment "dbag dingleberry" over starting this thread. Come on, are you so small minded you can't endure discourse on this topic without resorting to name calling? Why aren't you man enough to set me straight and tell me where I am wrong? I started this thread with serious intent. You might want to get a hormone panel and see if all that beer has caused you a problem.
    Nobody cares...........

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    Most of the fastest people around me are the heavy drinkers. I drink as much or more and still can't seem to keep pace. YMMV.
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    Sometimes I ride faster because I can't wait to crack a beer at the end of my ride. I don't race so I really can't answer the real question.

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    While competition is certainly a part of mountain biking, I think having fun, is an equally large part of it,
    and many of us cherish this part of it to the exclusion of racing. Beer is also fun, so has a cross-connection on this site.

    While MMA and Lifting might be fun for some, I think the competitive aspect of these is a much greater draw and interest for their "devotees" than the "fun" aspect. I'm sure websites for these sports have sections which would leave most of us scratching our heads.

    I'm not knocking the importance of having competition in our lives,(I meself prefer the grueling strain of Pub Darts) but it might explain to you why practitioners of a seemingly intense athletic endeavor,
    might also like to crack a cold one now and again. And blather on about it in our own little corner of the bar. If it puts a stupid, happy grin on your face it might be discussed on MTBR.com. Beer and biking both kinda fit the bill.

    And isn't laughter the best medicine?

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    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    You consider less than 7% to be strong beer?

    "Or did you mean >7%"

    Just saying.
    Uh, well, I was under the influence of alcohol (16% Schmaltz Brewing’s “Jewbelation 16”) at the time I typed that. I did actually mean at least rather than less than.
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    maybe I will give up beer than
    I has some mead this summer that was delicious and would lay you on your ars








    never mind I cant afford that and it would cut into my bike budget



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    Quote Originally Posted by chas_martel View Post

    The main reason I started this thread was due to the oddity of having a beer forum here in the first place. I suppose this site consist of a VERY broad range of members. The sites I compare it to are primarily MMA\MA\boxing and weight lifting sites. Those sites take a very critical stance on beer all due to the negative affects associated with pursuit of the sport(s) in question. I just find it interesting the number of people herein that don't care about the outcome of beer consumption.

    Why is it so odd?
    Ever notice how even a lot of bike shops sell beer?
    Bikes and beer go hand in hand.
    It has nothing yo do with health, but in the beginning neither did riding bikes.
    Even today, it has nothing to do with health for some people and for them, it just happens to be a good side affect.

    For me it is part health, part fun.
    I do it for a fun way to to get a little healthier so I can make the unhealthy choices in my life without turning in to a big blob.

    You can choose to deny yourself all the simple pleasures in life so you can live longer or you can choose to enjoy them and just live.

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    chas - you have a strange way about you. You certainly judge others by your own (obviously incredibly high) standards. It isn't your standards or your views that are annoying people here, but the fact you are judging them.

    I've met a lot of people in the fighting and lifting worlds who imbibed far more nasty and mood-changing substances than beer, so your comparison there is a little flawed - they have different poisons.

    Why is racing the only thing one does on a bike? I don't race, I don't like it, it does nothing for me, it doesn't flick my switch. I like riding a bike. I like exploring on a bike, sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly. I like to pass the time of day with those fellow cyclists when we do ride together, I like to stop and admire where I am, I sometimes ride and stop off at a pub (in England we can do these things). It doesn't make me a lesser man to most, but they don't judge me on my podium places or how many of my per group I can beat down.

    I like cake too. We sometimes take home made cake and flapjack out and share it when we stop on a ride. Cake is for winners, even winners who race.

    I'm such a bad person. I think the other bad people here do care about the potential effects of alcohol (not just beer) consumption. However, they can put it in context and seem to get along just fine and are happy with their station in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas_martel View Post
    I don't care if you...ram each other in the ass etc and so on.
    Whew...I feel better about this whole thing now.
    Thanks.
    A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill

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