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    Rune V2- what is your wishlist?

    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I'm hoping that we will have a the Rune V2 ready sooner than initially planned as a reaction to this thread, as we want our customers to be happy.
    Now that Banshee has acknowledged they're working on a the next generation of Runes, what would be your wishlist of new features for the V2?


    Here's mine:

    - High quality sealed bearings like the Prime
    - Increased strength (gusseting) around the bottom bracket
    - Slightly longer top tube
    - Replaceable rear dropouts (w/ ability to run multiple rear hub setups)
    - Adjustable geometry like the spitfire
    - 10-15mm more of rear travel
    - Beefed up frame- I honestly don't mind a slightly heavier frame if it means the Rune can be ridden that much harder
    - Carbon offering
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    You forgot shorter chainstays
    Hey man, wanna go for a klunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
    Immediate release
    Good call... I'd like to add 29" wheels....and maybe a name change to differentiate it from the 26" version.


    sounds promising!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    - High quality sealed bearings like the Prime
    - Increased strength (gusseting) around the bottom bracket
    - Slightly longer top tube
    - Replaceable rear dropouts (w/ ability to run multiple rear hub setups)
    - Adjustable geometry like the spitfire
    - 10-15mm more of rear travel
    - Beefed up frame- I honestly don't mind a slightly heavier frame if it means the Rune can be ridden that much harder
    - Carbon offering
    Well you started out great, especially with the longer top tube (and resultant slightly longer wheelbase), but I have no use for more travel nor a beefed up frame (tho carbon fiber would be stronger and lighter but certainly pricier); just ride smoother! I think the frame will be fine as long as it finally gets the BB gusset which is a no-brainer. I also like bailouts suggestion - needs 17" chainstays. But the biggest two things it needs, by far, are a slacker HTA (66 or even 65.5) and lower BB (13.75" would be nice) IMHO!

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    Dropouts like the prime with the ajustable geo and different axle options 10x135 12x135 and 12x142

    Keep the bushing if they can design a seal and a system that can't be over torqued, like turner.

    Internal cable routing like the commencal meta am

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    This thread is pretty interesting... I've just about finished the V2 rune design, just fine tuning design now... just as well I seem to have done just about everything rght according to suggestions on this thread!
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    If you got that accurate Magic 8 ball what people need, can i borrow it?

    Would be really useful in the world of IT crap.

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    haha, not sure about magic 8 ball... more a cross between what I personally want to ride, and what I saw previously on a thread a bit like this.
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    Damn, does this mean that I'll want to buy the Rune V2 to replace my Rune V1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    This thread is pretty interesting... I've just about finished the V2 rune design, just fine tuning design now... just as well I seem to have done just about everything rght according to suggestions on this thread!
    Super cool.
    My own personal wish list:
    • some sort of invisibility cloaking
    • scabard for my galactic sword
    • cupholders


    Seriously- great suggestions here. Although I can say from experience, internal cable routing SUCKS. It makes hydraulics very difficult to bleed, requires thicker tubes (more weight), provides another way for water and crap to get inside the frame, and means swapping out a busted hydraulic brake or seatpost can't be done without dis assembly.

    Maybe OK for road bikes, but no good on a mountain bike that might be shuttled, crashed, and have frequent crash damage to hydraulic brake levers and remotes...

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    FM, I couldn't agree more regarding internal cable routing. I think that anyone who has ever had to work on a bike with internal cables will agree. I've had to go through this hell a few times, and I've been driven mad by it every time.. Yeah they look clean, but to me function has to come before form.
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    Lots of great suggestions here. I still have the Rune in my stable, although the wifey has long since claimed it as her own and loves it. Every once in a while I get to throw a leg over it but mostly it's her rig now. I'll chime in with a couple thoughts.

    - Dropped top tube - I have to run my levers at a weird angle to keep them from hitting the top-tube when doing x-ups.
    - Shorter chainstays - The Rune is almost too planted, especially when running angle cups. A slightly more playful feel and easier manuals would be appreciated
    - Obviously a revised bushing/bearing system
    - 142x12 rear axle
    - A touch lower BB, but lets not make this into a sled
    - Top links that use narrow shock mounting hardware
    - Any small strength enhancements that do not come with a serious weight penalty


    Some things to specifically keep
    - 150 mm rear travel
    - Short head tube
    - ISCG mounts
    - Seat tube lengths
    - Tire clearance
    - Long top-tube (22, 23, 24... or greater, no 22.75/22.8 Mediums)

    And lets face it a carbon version of the Rune at around 6 lbs would be killa. I'm sure it has long since been on Banshee's radar, but just restating that it needs to happen.

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    Man I can't wait to see the new V2! I'm pretty much in agreement with everything suggested here.

    Love the idea of the ability to run multiple rear hub setups. I'm also glad to hear there will be no internal cable routing, what a pain in the ass!

    Any idea of release date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Although I can say from experience, internal cable routing SUCKS. It makes hydraulics very difficult to bleed, requires thicker tubes (more weight), provides another way for water and crap to get inside the frame, and means swapping out a busted hydraulic brake or seatpost can't be done without dis assembly.

    Maybe OK for road bikes, but no good on a mountain bike that might be shuttled, crashed, and have frequent crash damage to hydraulic brake levers and remotes...
    Yeah, I'm cool with internal or partial internal for shifter but not for brakes. If you do go internal for shifter, it's important to make certain the finishing on the holes is very clean or uses a grommet so that the housing doesn't shred on sharp metal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    Yeah, I'm cool with internal or partial internal for shifter but not for brakes. If you do go internal for shifter, it's important to make certain the finishing on the holes is very clean or uses a grommet so that the housing doesn't shred on sharp metal.
    There's just no good reason to do it though. Even if executed well, putting unnecessary holes in the side of head/top/downtubes is bad structural engineering.

    This year at Mountain Bike Oregon, they had a bike toss... Todd from HLC took second. The donor bike was a Huffy- with internal cable routing! The day after the event, a few of us ended up spending some more quality time with this bike. Nobody was surprised when the frame failed, and the first area to go was the top and down tubes, exactly at the internal cable routing holes. Not really ideal spots to put holes in a bike.

    It took about 4 tosses for the frame to fail (crease) at these points.. and about 25 more tosses before serious problems happened anywhere else. Food for thought.

    On a positive note, the internal cable routing did hold the frame together, when the front separated off completely, cracking clear through at the internal cable routing holes!

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    What I would like to see:

    ISCG mount compatible with 2x front setups ( basically - tabs recessed 2.5-3mm from the 73mm shell plane )
    Slightly slacker
    THe same length of headtube for each size
    Longer. I am 6'6 and would like to use 40mm stem, not 60mm. I use 60mm on 635mm bike.
    BIG bearings in the suspension. I am thinking 62001 bearings.
    Bearings in shock mounts.
    Lastly 150mm rear and 73mm front ( friendly chainline rocks ). Or interchangeable dropouts.

    Basically - move the bike away from Spitfire

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    Funny how the trend is now lower and slacker. Far cry from the old SC Bullit!

    For me...

    1) ST could be a hair longer as I have a long inseam and dropper posts BARLEY work. (although less of an issue)

    2)Thru axle rear

    3)Travel is good. Maybe a hair more.

    4)Bushings/Bearings (deadhorse)

    5)Any sort of "stiffening" is always welcomed.

    6)Carbon would be cool, but realistically, I doubt I'd pay the upcharge.

    7)I always have to run a Setback Post and the rune is no different. While I realize I am in the minority here, I wonder if a slacker ST would remedy this.

    8)Since I ride a setback and consequently ride it a little further back, I actually like the CS length for climbing. Low Long and Slack.

    So really, not a whole heck of a lot. Just got my Rune this rear. And assuming feedback is good for V2 and mine hold up, a rune v2 would be high on my list. Unless I get sucked into a ~5inch 9er of sorts - wich seem to be coming more and more common!

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    I guess my suggestion for internal cable routing was a bad idea. I will take advice from people with experience with it and avoid it. I have had no experience with it at. It just that those dropper seat post with the hidden hose look so clean. I can see this is one of those "form follows function" situations.

    The biggest thing I would like to see is the prime dropouts! I like the ability to ajust geo. it could be one of those things like my talas fork that I never use, I am so dam lazy. It looks really innovative.

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    Lower BB: No more than 13.5" w/170 fork and external HS. The Rune rides fairly high in it's travel with <30% sag that it can go much lower and why the Spitty rips with a 13.1" BB. I had my fork stuck down to 115mm for a couple of weeks resulting in about 13.3" BB on my Rune w/160 fork external fork and it railed on trail with mixed terrain with no pedal strikes at all.

    BB gusset

    160mm rear travel

    Lower standover: 30" max for a large, so drop it at least an inch from current sizing

    12mm thru axle compatible

    Revised bushing or implement bearing pivot system as needed of course

    Shorter CS's: 16.9-17.1"

    Ideal sizing for 5'11" rider with longer inseam: 23.5" TT, 18" ST, 30" SO,

    Slacker stock HTA: I am currently running a 65.5 HTA w/170 fork and slacker cups and I am still able to climb pretty much everything I did before then when I rode it with an adjustable fork and steeper HTA. The bike just rails better and more stable for the descents now, uplifting it's super bike potential!

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    I understand all you guys that want a low BB, but don't forget about the people who live in areas where a super low BB isn't ideal. Here in AZ, a low BB is just a magnet for pedal strikes on rocks. We have no shortage of rocks here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    (tho carbon fiber would be stronger and lighter but certainly pricier); G MAN
    When you look at current companies that offer frames in both Carbon and Alum normally the price difference is only around $400. The 2012 Rune with Monarch is selling for $1600, so a Carbon version should be around $2k. Compare that new Knollys new AM Chilcotin which stores are advertising for $2450 W/ Fox Kashima RP23 here in Canada and that is not Carbon. Compared to that the Banshee seems like a steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    I understand all you guys that want a low BB, but don't forget about the people who live in areas where a super low BB isn't ideal. Here in AZ, a low BB is just a magnet for pedal strikes on rocks. We have no shortage of rocks here.
    So an adjustable geo feature like on the Spitty would be the way to go then. One setting for low and slack and one for steeper and higher for you "rockheads" and slacken with head angleset as needed. I live in buff singletrack land in OR with only some roots and rocks, that a lower BB with this supsension design will work great!
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    Just put adjustable geo into dropouts, like in Prime.

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    It will have 3 position adjustable geometry at the dropout with is independant of suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    I understand all you guys that want a low BB, but don't forget about the people who live in areas where a super low BB isn't ideal. Here in AZ, a low BB is just a magnet for pedal strikes on rocks. We have no shortage of rocks here.
    Yeah but you have a bad taste in your mouth because of my Spitty and Tim's problems with it in your area. Keep in mind my bike has a 12.9" BB height compared to a 13.68-13.75" BB that we're asking for on the new Rune. You'll be just fine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    When you look at current companies that offer frames in both Carbon and Alum normally the price difference is only around $400. The 2012 Rune with Monarch is selling for $1600, so a Carbon version should be around $2k. Compare that new Knollys new AM Chilcotin which stores are advertising for $2450 W/ Fox Kashima RP23 here in Canada and that is not Carbon. Compared to that the Banshee seems like a steal.
    I'm a supplier of resins to the cf/advanced materials industry and, just as with everything else, you can do it the cheap way or you can do it the right way. I wouldn't want to ride a cf Rune that only costs $400 more - would NOT last, trust me. Double that figure and you'd be getting closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Yeah but you have a bad taste in your mouth because of my Spitty and Tim's problems with it in your area. Keep in mind my bike has a 12.9" BB height compared to a 13.68-13.75" BB that we're asking for on the new Rune. You'll be just fine!

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    Bad taste? Not at all. I didn't have the same issues that Tim did. I didn't experience any of the wear problems or pedal strikes. My only complain about the Rune was the pedal feedback. In our rough terrain, it just didn't work for me. Sucks too, because I've never felt better on a bike as far as geometry is concerned.
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    I wonder how long before we see the prototype design show up on Pinkbike....

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    Still a while before you see anything, not finished the design quite yet...
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    I'd love to hear what the plans are for the Scythe (or whatever the next bigger bike than the rune will be).

    With the spitfire, prime, and rune, the trailbike area is pretty well covered...

    I'd love to see a 160-170mm, ~66 head angle, designed for use with a 180mm fork bike... basically a Scythe with the KS link. More of a Park/Shuttle bike than the rune....but with the square-edge performance of a mini-link...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Yeah but you have a bad taste in your mouth because of my Spitty and Tim's problems with it in your area. Keep in mind my bike has a 12.9" BB height compared to a 13.68-13.75" BB that we're asking for on the new Rune. You'll be just fine!

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    Hey leave me out of this! I'm happy as heck with my 13.8 BB on the Enduro, 170 Lyrik. No pedal kickback either and I can run a granny gear. I also checked the bolts the other day that hold all the pivots. Most maintenance I've done on pivots since I sold the....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    I'm a supplier of resins to the cf/advanced materials industry and, just as with everything else, you can do it the cheap way or you can do it the right way. I wouldn't want to ride a cf Rune that only costs $400 more - would NOT last, trust me. Double that figure and you'd be getting closer.

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    Really? Pivot's new Mach 5.7 Carbon is only $400 more then their Alum and they have a ton of experince with CF in their BH road bikes. I doubt they are doing anything to cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    It will have 3 position adjustable geometry at the dropout with is independant of suspension.
    Very nice! Looking forward to the new design with some of the modifications and extra adjustments, bike should rip!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Hey leave me out of this! I'm happy as heck with my 13.8 BB on the Enduro, 170 Lyrik. No pedal kickback either and I can run a granny gear. I also checked the bolts the other day that hold all the pivots. Most maintenance I've done on pivots since I sold the....
    Yup, 13.75ish is perfect in my book. Glad you're liking the Enduro as much as I'm liking the Spitty! I've been running a granny with very little pedal feedback. Not sure if that's due to the PUSHED RT-AM or that I'm running only 25% sag or just spinning smoother but I don't notice it and that was one of my fears when considering it as you may recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    Bad taste? Not at all. I didn't have the same issues that Tim did. I didn't experience any of the wear problems or pedal strikes. My only complain about the Rune was the pedal feedback. In our rough terrain, it just didn't work for me. Sucks too, because I've never felt better on a bike as far as geometry is concerned.
    Well that was my point, maybe wrongly worded (I didn't mean your experience with your Rune but rather Tim's with the Spitty affecting your thinking of lower BB's in general). Cornering really improves from my experience and 13.75" would still allow for plenty of rock clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Really? Pivot's new Mach 5.7 Carbon is only $400 more then their Alum and they have a ton of experince with CF in their BH road bikes. I doubt they are doing anything to cheap.
    Yeah, new is the key word. Lets see how they hold up long term. There is a learning curve FWIW, not to mention raw material costs have gone up over 50% in the past year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Yup, 13.75ish is perfect in my book. Glad you're liking the Enduro as much as I'm liking the Spitty! I've been running a granny with very little pedal feedback. Not sure if that's due to the PUSHED RT-AM or that I'm running only 25% sag or just spinning smoother but I don't notice it and that was one of my fears when considering it as you may recall.

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    Bring it to PHX. If you don't noticed it after a day of climbing what we do. I'll say it was just my imagination. I'm by no means a perfect climber though. I can sure tell a huge difference in the way the Enduro pedals compared to the Spitfire.

    Bottom line is we both ended up with a bike we enjoy. I just have less maintenance now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Well that was my point, maybe wrongly worded (I didn't mean your experience with your Rune but rather Tim's with the Spitty affecting your thinking of lower BB's in general). Cornering really improves from my experience and 13.75" would still allow for plenty of rock clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    Nah, I'm a big boy and can decide for myself whether I feel a BB is too low or not.
    Correct on both counts.
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    Agreed on the 23.5" top tube for a medium!!!! most people at 5'11" are tweeners currently. Slightly less pedal feedback would be solid too along with a 13.75 BB (so with a Lyrik DH with a straigh 1.5" steerer and 170mm travel the BB isn't too high) and lastly an easier to maintain bushing system. CS length is fine IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Agreed on the 23.5" top tube for a medium!!!! most people at 5'11" are tweeners currently.
    I gotta represent for those of us that fall right in the center of Banshee's recommended sizing: The current top tube & seat lengths are prefect for the intended usage.

    Maybe making the sizes slightly smaller - so you tweeners could happily ride a Large?

    Or get some platform shoes....
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    I went medium with 70mm stem - should have gone large with 50mm stem...I had a Large DW 5 spot with 23.6 ETT prior to the Rune and that fit me really well. So either slightly smaller or larger for a given size would work for me! But a lot of companies are 22" 23" 24" for S M L and it's no deal breaker but I never got to test ride the Rune before buying it (No dealers close to me)....If I had I would have tried both sizes and messed around with stems

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Still a while before you see anything, not finished the design quite yet...
    When are you looking at having a proto built?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    I gotta represent for those of us that fall right in the center of Banshee's recommended sizing: The current top tube & seat lengths are prefect for the intended usage.

    Maybe making the sizes slightly smaller - so you tweeners could happily ride a Large?

    Or get some platform shoes....
    Tweener sizes are just plain hard to make work (came off a SC BLT which never worked for me). I'm 5'9" which is considered the US average height for a male so it needs to be smack in the middle as it is with the Spitty if you want to play averages and make the most possible riders happy. :

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    Nah, I'm a big boy and can decide for myself whether I feel a BB is too low or not.
    Oh I'm sure you can but 14.1" BB height? Really? REALLY? Me thinks you need to improve your pedal leveling skills; from the responses so far you've been over-ruled!
    Actually if the new interchangeable dropout system will be anything like Intense's system, I think there will be options that will make us both happy campers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acme54321 View Post
    When are you looking at having a proto built?
    Yeah and who better to test than me?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Bring it to PHX. If you don't noticed it after a day of climbing what we do. I'll say it was just my imagination. I'm by no means a perfect climber though. I can sure tell a huge difference in the way the Enduro pedals compared to the Spitfire.

    Bottom line is we both ended up with a bike we enjoy. I just have less maintenance now!
    Are you using lockout or propedal when climbing? My buddy has your same bike and I found I needed to flip his propedal switch on or it was bobbing noticably. When it was on light (propedal) it worked flawlessly tho for both the ups and downs.

    Would love to ride with you and Steve when I get down there on business (now that I finally have a job again ) which should be before the end of the year. Probably rent a bike tho as it's quite the expense to fly your bike down these dayz! Is there a place to rent a decent bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Are you using lockout or propedal when climbing? My buddy has your same bike and I found I needed to flip his propedal switch on or it was bobbing noticably. When it was on light (propedal) it worked flawlessly tho for both the ups and downs.

    Would love to ride with you and Rob when I get down there on business (now that I finally have a job again ) which should be before the end of the year. Probably rent a bike tho as it's quite the expense to fly your bike down these dayz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    I went medium with 70mm stem - should have gone large with 50mm stem...I had a Large DW 5 spot with 23.6 ETT prior to the Rune and that fit me really well. So either slightly smaller or larger for a given size would work for me! But a lot of companies are 22" 23" 24" for S M L and it's no deal breaker but I never got to test ride the Rune before buying it (No dealers close to me)....If I had I would have tried both sizes and messed around with stems
    Yeah, I am 5'11" w/shoes and longish inseam and the large is just about perfect sizing for me, but run it with 45mm stem (could easily go 35mm), bars rolled in a bit and saddle pushed all the way forward to max position, so a shorter ETT would be nice at around 23.5". The 18" ST is just about ideal for me, could maybe go 17.5" at the smallest even when using platform shoes already. Ideally, the SO could drop about an inch, BB at least a 1/3" drop (my Rune's BB is currently 13.85" with 2.3 tires, slacker angled cups, 170 fork w/external HS and feels a bit on the high side even with 30% sag, especially since going up to bigger fork from 160 w/13.7" BB all of last year with approx. 27% sag).

    BTW, for "dunerinaz", I did a bunch of riding while on trip this past spring to the SW (Sedona, PHX). I rode all the major techy stuff and never felt the BB was too low at 13.7" with my set-up at the time (it was actually lower to about 13.3" when I would frequently drop the fork "on the fly" to 115mm for all of the trail climbs or any techy inclines for that matter with no strikes, problems or pedal feedback whatsover with ISX-6 air shock, tubeless tires, 13.7" BB at 27% sag on 215lb rider fully geared. Unless running >30% on super linear shock and very low psi in tires at heavy rider weight in very chunderish terrain, would I feel a <13.5" BB possibly being too low. Bikes with BB near 14" or definitely above is just too high for all kinds of riding, IMO and why it is more common to see full on DH bikes these days with even much lower BB's than they used to be. Lower bikes ride faster and are more fun to ride, plain and simple, unless you are the type who frets hitting your pedals on things all the time or don't ride with pedals in the leveled, paralleled position when cruising at high speed through chunk.
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    that's fine

    in which case (Keith) can we have the lower rear derailleur cable mounting point angled slightly out so that the cable is routed towards the outside of the dropouts, rather than to the centre of the cassette....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    I'd love to hear what the plans are for the Scythe (or whatever the next bigger bike than the rune will be).

    With the spitfire, prime, and rune, the trailbike area is pretty well covered...

    I'd love to see a 160-170mm, ~66 head angle, designed for use with a 180mm fork bike... basically a Scythe with the KS link. More of a Park/Shuttle bike than the rune....but with the square-edge performance of a mini-link...
    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Patience FM...
    I know this is about the Rune, but I would love to see a slacker Scythe with a lower BB. Don't worry about the KS link, I think the suspension is dialed. Great climber, unreal on the DH.
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    This is such an easy question.

    Take the Prime frame. Shrink it a bit. Give it the same dimensions as the present frame. Beef it the hell up. Slap a 1.5 HT on it. Give it adjustable stays for Geo tweaks and walla! The Rune V2.

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    I didn't see this til now, Guess I thought it was the original one. Since we are all chiming in again I will do the same...

    keep it 150mm rear travel
    17" chainstays or shorter
    Better leverage curve to work with coil shocks (also progressive feel so its a lively, fun bike to ride)
    13.75ish BB
    Lower standover (like the spitfire or even lower)
    Keep the 18" seat tube on the large
    Slacker - 66 degrees stock with a 160mm fork and zero stack, make it compatible with forks up to 180mm
    BEARINGS!!!!!!!!
    Slightly beefier - Maybe Rampant tubing, something that can handle Freeride abuse all day

    oh, and release it in black ano, raw and then maybe bright yellow

    If its even close to this then I will be on a list to get one. My wife loves her spitty and i enjoyed mine (minus the few issues). Also loved my legend (just a tad small for me). Feeling the urge to get back on another banshee

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    It is compatible with forks up to 180mm just not dual crowns.

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    Are the prototypes out and RUNE v2 ready for take off or why does nobody write its wishes any longer?

    Maybe I am far too late, but here are my thoughts coming from the wildcard.

    1. lower standover
    2. variable rear travel 130/150 or 130/160 like on the wildcard
    3. bearings
    4. 1 degree slacker or 1.5 for angle set
    5. shorter chainstay but same short wheelbase

    That´s it...

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    Would be good for an update on this
    Bearings are top of my list, I have not been able to ride my Rune for nearly a year due to pivot ware :/ So what ever needs to be done to combat that!
    Sawpable dropouts sound like a good idea too

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    I have heard there are Protos floating around. When are we going to see the product?!? I am very excited!!

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    Longer top tube! and pivot system that are / or nearly maintenance free!

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    Some type of deal for all the Rune 1and 1.5 owners that are having bushing issues!

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    I've seen the photos and specs for the new Rune, and I am sure you will all be very pleased. Plus there is one surprise that nobody has requested, but will excite everyone.

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    Good to hear NS-NV! any idea of timescales?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NS-NV View Post
    I've seen the photos and specs for the new Rune, and I am sure you will all be very pleased. Plus there is one surprise that nobody has requested, but will excite everyone.
    Where did you find those photos and specs? Shouldn´t they be Top Secret...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NS-NV View Post
    Plus there is one surprise that nobody has requested, but will excite everyone.
    Int(f)ernal cable routing?

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    Finally, insulated cupholders

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    If memory serves... Early fall for the Rune. Keep in mind, these were casual chats from a while back... Timelines may have changed.

    And yes, 1 cup holder big enough for a Big Gulp (the real kind like the ones that are illegal in NYC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NS-NV View Post
    And yes, 1 cup holder big enough for a Big Gulp (the real kind like the ones that are illegal in NYC).
    Thank god! No more of this unsafe 1-handed drinking while riding BS.....remember, safety is everybodies job!


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    What a pity, I hoped the surprise would be a heated saddle for winter riding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NS-NV View Post
    I've seen the photos and specs for the new Rune, and I am sure you will all be very pleased. Plus there is one surprise that nobody has requested, but will excite everyone.
    Looking forward to the unveiling. I don't have a hard time imagining what I think is a very good guess as to your surprise.

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    I'm guessing the surprise is optional drop outs for fitting 650B. If so I may be investing in anew frame and a wheel set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    I'm guessing the surprise is optional drop outs for fitting 650B. If so I may be investing in anew frame and a wheel set.
    This

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    Quote Originally Posted by NS-NV View Post
    I've seen the photos and specs for the new Rune, and I am sure you will all be very pleased. Plus there is one surprise that nobody has requested, but will excite everyone.
    Puuhhhh, would be awesome if it comes with two wheels again ...

    In the real world I hope it will get a complete Suspension-Redesign and some benefits from the Prime:
    - KS-Link
    - changeable Dropouts for different Axle-standards, Angles, Chainstay-lengths, combined with:
    - changeable Dropouts for different Wheelsizes (26"/27,5")
    - Two Travelsettings, lets say 140/160 mm or 150/170 mm
    - Even more aggressive Geometry towards the low&slack for being bang on for european Enduro-Races. Shorter Chainstays, steeper Seatangle, longer Toptube/Reach, even more slacker Headangle if possible.

    That would be my personal reference to a newborn modern Trailbike, no matter if it´s called Rune or Prime 650B

    Which one is first: Eurobike or Interbike?
    Somehow it seems unusual for Banshee to revise a Bike without giving any hint ... what´s up with that "from riders for riders"-thing ...

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    Oh My that does look lovely, fingers crossed it wont be much longer!

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    awesome 650b compatible......koool aid

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    Rumors make the world go round...

    I am sure banshee will surprise us at the end with a bunch of amazing new trail rockets...

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    Well, this is a game changer: new bearing system, 650b compatible, more rear travel and new graphics (yet to come)... If Banshee manage to keep their low prices we are looking at some serious success.

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    WOW,
    that looks very nice indeed.
    Are there any specs available and geometry?
    Do i see it correctly and do the Rune and Spitfire get a tapered headtube?

    I was looking for some other frame to replace my 2008 Rune but if this one will be a bit longer in Large i wait for the release of this one. WOW
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    Hell yeah, worship the Lord - Banshee has heard all my prayers in the past!
    This is nothing but amazing!!!

    If this is true, and I bet it is (!), things are going to turn in the direction I have mentioned and expected for some time now - nothing but pure porn!

    Switching from V4FB to the KS-Link on all Trail/AM/Enduro-Bikes seems like the next logical Step-Up in Suspension-Performance and Frame-Design, at least for me. Plus the fact that both Rune and Spitfire will come with two Wheelsize-Options: 26ers and 650Bs - just brilliant.
    Word that maybe Rampants and Scythes (and maybe Wildcards) will follow for the hard shredders in the future, except Banshee will keep the mighty and proven TNT-Faux-Bar for this purpose!

    What can I say? This year I´m going to try harder than ever to get to the Eurobike this year! Just to meet the guys, shake hands, have some drinks and to check my coming Bike for the next five or ten or so Years, which will definitely still be a Banshee again - yeah man!!!

    Cheers Keith, Jon and Jay,
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    That looks sweet. I can't wait to see geo numbers and hope it comes in carbon.

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    Hmm I hope its not a taper steer! will render my forks usless

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    Same here. Practically brand new 1.5 Lyrik on my current Rune and the thought of taking a huge loss on the fork to buy a tapered version is a huge bummer.

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    It makes no sense to my to put anything but a 1.5 HT on this bike. I really hope they don't do the stupid tapered HT. Just keep it at a 1.5 and let people decide what fork they want to put on it.

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    The best move in "keeping Standards" is simply going with 1 11/8 steerer anytime ...

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    Rune and Spitfire - assuming both are true - look great. However - I see a tapered headtube on a rune which is a HUGE bummer.

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    it is too bad that the Scythe did not get any updates. it could really benefit from lower and slacker geometry.
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    You know that you can run a 1 1/8" straight steerer in tapered headtubes right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    You know that you can run a 1 1/8" straight steerer in tapered headtubes right?
    but not straight 1.5" which some are saying they already have and there are some killer deals on straight 1.5" forks (although that won't last forever as i think most fork manufacturers have killed that option). plus not as many or any offset cup options in tapered compared to 1.5". with all the existing rune guys who run offset cups, would have been nice to see that option continue

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    Aye a straight 1.5" on my Lyriks. Maybe I will try and fit them into a HT frame of sorts and wind the travel down. to be honest, the trend is to go taper so I guess it was bound to happen. lets wait and see and with a bit of luck they will be rolling off shop floors very soon

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    You can get external top headset cups to fit 1.5" steerers in 1 1/8" ZS (44mm) headtubes. (although for now you may have to by a complete headset and just take top cup, as I'm not sure if any suppliers are yet making individual tops and bottoms for these.)

    here is an example... Nukeproof 44EEOS Headset | To fit 1.5 fork in 44mm OD Headtube
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    Well I did not know that! Thanks for the heads up, fingers crossed my steer tube isnt too short

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    SOLD!
    my old rune ist getting a rebuild for my gilrfriend once the new rune is available...

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    Keith,

    When can we see some actual geo numbers on the Rune? Are top tubes, head tubes, chain stay lengths changing any?

    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    You can get external top headset cups to fit 1.5" steerers in 1 1/8" ZS (44mm) headtubes. (although for now you may have to by a complete headset and just take top cup, as I'm not sure if any suppliers are yet making individual tops and bottoms for these.)

    here is an example... Nukeproof 44EEOS Headset | To fit 1.5 fork in 44mm OD Headtube

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    I ran into Jon out on the trails last night. He was riding the new Rune.

    It looks great. Sounds like a bit slacker, bit lower, and a bit lighter even maybe. Multiple geo settings via the rear drop-outs.

    Bike looked hot in bright yellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    I ran into Jon out on the trails last night. He was riding the new Rune.

    It looks great. Sounds like a bit slacker, bit lower, and a bit lighter even maybe. Multiple geo settings via the rear drop-outs.

    Bike looked hot in bright yellow.
    Was it a tapered HT? Maybe I am being a whiny little girl about this, but that is a make or break factor for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CeeJay View Post
    Was it a tapered HT? Maybe I am being a whiny little girl about this, but that is a make or break factor for me.
    I think I'll hold back on any details. Jon was mentioning a launch in the works. I'd hate to be some blabber mouth that looses a riding buddy by leaking info.

    Jon and Keith both read on here, they'll let out full details when they are ready.

    I just wanted to say the bike looks great. My girlfriend is due for a new frame in this category and either a Rune or Spitfire has shot to the top of the list.

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    Rune V2 is looking wicked. Addresses all my complaints AND hopes. Excited for the official launch to see more details.

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    looks like they nailed it so far; geo judgement pending

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