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    Rune V2- what is your wishlist?

    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I'm hoping that we will have a the Rune V2 ready sooner than initially planned as a reaction to this thread, as we want our customers to be happy.
    Now that Banshee has acknowledged they're working on a the next generation of Runes, what would be your wishlist of new features for the V2?


    Here's mine:

    - High quality sealed bearings like the Prime
    - Increased strength (gusseting) around the bottom bracket
    - Slightly longer top tube
    - Replaceable rear dropouts (w/ ability to run multiple rear hub setups)
    - Adjustable geometry like the spitfire
    - 10-15mm more of rear travel
    - Beefed up frame- I honestly don't mind a slightly heavier frame if it means the Rune can be ridden that much harder
    - Carbon offering
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    You forgot shorter chainstays
    Hey man, wanna go for a klunk?

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    Immediate release
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
    Immediate release
    Good call... I'd like to add 29" wheels....and maybe a name change to differentiate it from the 26" version.


    sounds promising!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    - High quality sealed bearings like the Prime
    - Increased strength (gusseting) around the bottom bracket
    - Slightly longer top tube
    - Replaceable rear dropouts (w/ ability to run multiple rear hub setups)
    - Adjustable geometry like the spitfire
    - 10-15mm more of rear travel
    - Beefed up frame- I honestly don't mind a slightly heavier frame if it means the Rune can be ridden that much harder
    - Carbon offering
    Well you started out great, especially with the longer top tube (and resultant slightly longer wheelbase), but I have no use for more travel nor a beefed up frame (tho carbon fiber would be stronger and lighter but certainly pricier); just ride smoother! I think the frame will be fine as long as it finally gets the BB gusset which is a no-brainer. I also like bailouts suggestion - needs 17" chainstays. But the biggest two things it needs, by far, are a slacker HTA (66 or even 65.5) and lower BB (13.75" would be nice) IMHO!

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    Dropouts like the prime with the ajustable geo and different axle options 10x135 12x135 and 12x142

    Keep the bushing if they can design a seal and a system that can't be over torqued, like turner.

    Internal cable routing like the commencal meta am

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    This thread is pretty interesting... I've just about finished the V2 rune design, just fine tuning design now... just as well I seem to have done just about everything rght according to suggestions on this thread!
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    If you got that accurate Magic 8 ball what people need, can i borrow it?

    Would be really useful in the world of IT crap.

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    haha, not sure about magic 8 ball... more a cross between what I personally want to ride, and what I saw previously on a thread a bit like this.
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    Damn, does this mean that I'll want to buy the Rune V2 to replace my Rune V1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    This thread is pretty interesting... I've just about finished the V2 rune design, just fine tuning design now... just as well I seem to have done just about everything rght according to suggestions on this thread!
    Super cool.
    My own personal wish list:
    • some sort of invisibility cloaking
    • scabard for my galactic sword
    • cupholders


    Seriously- great suggestions here. Although I can say from experience, internal cable routing SUCKS. It makes hydraulics very difficult to bleed, requires thicker tubes (more weight), provides another way for water and crap to get inside the frame, and means swapping out a busted hydraulic brake or seatpost can't be done without dis assembly.

    Maybe OK for road bikes, but no good on a mountain bike that might be shuttled, crashed, and have frequent crash damage to hydraulic brake levers and remotes...

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    FM, I couldn't agree more regarding internal cable routing. I think that anyone who has ever had to work on a bike with internal cables will agree. I've had to go through this hell a few times, and I've been driven mad by it every time.. Yeah they look clean, but to me function has to come before form.
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    Lots of great suggestions here. I still have the Rune in my stable, although the wifey has long since claimed it as her own and loves it. Every once in a while I get to throw a leg over it but mostly it's her rig now. I'll chime in with a couple thoughts.

    - Dropped top tube - I have to run my levers at a weird angle to keep them from hitting the top-tube when doing x-ups.
    - Shorter chainstays - The Rune is almost too planted, especially when running angle cups. A slightly more playful feel and easier manuals would be appreciated
    - Obviously a revised bushing/bearing system
    - 142x12 rear axle
    - A touch lower BB, but lets not make this into a sled
    - Top links that use narrow shock mounting hardware
    - Any small strength enhancements that do not come with a serious weight penalty


    Some things to specifically keep
    - 150 mm rear travel
    - Short head tube
    - ISCG mounts
    - Seat tube lengths
    - Tire clearance
    - Long top-tube (22, 23, 24... or greater, no 22.75/22.8 Mediums)

    And lets face it a carbon version of the Rune at around 6 lbs would be killa. I'm sure it has long since been on Banshee's radar, but just restating that it needs to happen.

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    Man I can't wait to see the new V2! I'm pretty much in agreement with everything suggested here.

    Love the idea of the ability to run multiple rear hub setups. I'm also glad to hear there will be no internal cable routing, what a pain in the ass!

    Any idea of release date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Although I can say from experience, internal cable routing SUCKS. It makes hydraulics very difficult to bleed, requires thicker tubes (more weight), provides another way for water and crap to get inside the frame, and means swapping out a busted hydraulic brake or seatpost can't be done without dis assembly.

    Maybe OK for road bikes, but no good on a mountain bike that might be shuttled, crashed, and have frequent crash damage to hydraulic brake levers and remotes...
    Yeah, I'm cool with internal or partial internal for shifter but not for brakes. If you do go internal for shifter, it's important to make certain the finishing on the holes is very clean or uses a grommet so that the housing doesn't shred on sharp metal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    Yeah, I'm cool with internal or partial internal for shifter but not for brakes. If you do go internal for shifter, it's important to make certain the finishing on the holes is very clean or uses a grommet so that the housing doesn't shred on sharp metal.
    There's just no good reason to do it though. Even if executed well, putting unnecessary holes in the side of head/top/downtubes is bad structural engineering.

    This year at Mountain Bike Oregon, they had a bike toss... Todd from HLC took second. The donor bike was a Huffy- with internal cable routing! The day after the event, a few of us ended up spending some more quality time with this bike. Nobody was surprised when the frame failed, and the first area to go was the top and down tubes, exactly at the internal cable routing holes. Not really ideal spots to put holes in a bike.

    It took about 4 tosses for the frame to fail (crease) at these points.. and about 25 more tosses before serious problems happened anywhere else. Food for thought.

    On a positive note, the internal cable routing did hold the frame together, when the front separated off completely, cracking clear through at the internal cable routing holes!

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    What I would like to see:

    ISCG mount compatible with 2x front setups ( basically - tabs recessed 2.5-3mm from the 73mm shell plane )
    Slightly slacker
    THe same length of headtube for each size
    Longer. I am 6'6 and would like to use 40mm stem, not 60mm. I use 60mm on 635mm bike.
    BIG bearings in the suspension. I am thinking 62001 bearings.
    Bearings in shock mounts.
    Lastly 150mm rear and 73mm front ( friendly chainline rocks ). Or interchangeable dropouts.

    Basically - move the bike away from Spitfire

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    Funny how the trend is now lower and slacker. Far cry from the old SC Bullit!

    For me...

    1) ST could be a hair longer as I have a long inseam and dropper posts BARLEY work. (although less of an issue)

    2)Thru axle rear

    3)Travel is good. Maybe a hair more.

    4)Bushings/Bearings (deadhorse)

    5)Any sort of "stiffening" is always welcomed.

    6)Carbon would be cool, but realistically, I doubt I'd pay the upcharge.

    7)I always have to run a Setback Post and the rune is no different. While I realize I am in the minority here, I wonder if a slacker ST would remedy this.

    8)Since I ride a setback and consequently ride it a little further back, I actually like the CS length for climbing. Low Long and Slack.

    So really, not a whole heck of a lot. Just got my Rune this rear. And assuming feedback is good for V2 and mine hold up, a rune v2 would be high on my list. Unless I get sucked into a ~5inch 9er of sorts - wich seem to be coming more and more common!

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    I guess my suggestion for internal cable routing was a bad idea. I will take advice from people with experience with it and avoid it. I have had no experience with it at. It just that those dropper seat post with the hidden hose look so clean. I can see this is one of those "form follows function" situations.

    The biggest thing I would like to see is the prime dropouts! I like the ability to ajust geo. it could be one of those things like my talas fork that I never use, I am so dam lazy. It looks really innovative.

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    Lower BB: No more than 13.5" w/170 fork and external HS. The Rune rides fairly high in it's travel with <30% sag that it can go much lower and why the Spitty rips with a 13.1" BB. I had my fork stuck down to 115mm for a couple of weeks resulting in about 13.3" BB on my Rune w/160 fork external fork and it railed on trail with mixed terrain with no pedal strikes at all.

    BB gusset

    160mm rear travel

    Lower standover: 30" max for a large, so drop it at least an inch from current sizing

    12mm thru axle compatible

    Revised bushing or implement bearing pivot system as needed of course

    Shorter CS's: 16.9-17.1"

    Ideal sizing for 5'11" rider with longer inseam: 23.5" TT, 18" ST, 30" SO,

    Slacker stock HTA: I am currently running a 65.5 HTA w/170 fork and slacker cups and I am still able to climb pretty much everything I did before then when I rode it with an adjustable fork and steeper HTA. The bike just rails better and more stable for the descents now, uplifting it's super bike potential!

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    I understand all you guys that want a low BB, but don't forget about the people who live in areas where a super low BB isn't ideal. Here in AZ, a low BB is just a magnet for pedal strikes on rocks. We have no shortage of rocks here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    (tho carbon fiber would be stronger and lighter but certainly pricier); G MAN
    When you look at current companies that offer frames in both Carbon and Alum normally the price difference is only around $400. The 2012 Rune with Monarch is selling for $1600, so a Carbon version should be around $2k. Compare that new Knollys new AM Chilcotin which stores are advertising for $2450 W/ Fox Kashima RP23 here in Canada and that is not Carbon. Compared to that the Banshee seems like a steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    I understand all you guys that want a low BB, but don't forget about the people who live in areas where a super low BB isn't ideal. Here in AZ, a low BB is just a magnet for pedal strikes on rocks. We have no shortage of rocks here.
    So an adjustable geo feature like on the Spitty would be the way to go then. One setting for low and slack and one for steeper and higher for you "rockheads" and slacken with head angleset as needed. I live in buff singletrack land in OR with only some roots and rocks, that a lower BB with this supsension design will work great!
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    Just put adjustable geo into dropouts, like in Prime.

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    It will have 3 position adjustable geometry at the dropout with is independant of suspension.
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    My magic 8 ball wins. This time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    I understand all you guys that want a low BB, but don't forget about the people who live in areas where a super low BB isn't ideal. Here in AZ, a low BB is just a magnet for pedal strikes on rocks. We have no shortage of rocks here.
    Yeah but you have a bad taste in your mouth because of my Spitty and Tim's problems with it in your area. Keep in mind my bike has a 12.9" BB height compared to a 13.68-13.75" BB that we're asking for on the new Rune. You'll be just fine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    When you look at current companies that offer frames in both Carbon and Alum normally the price difference is only around $400. The 2012 Rune with Monarch is selling for $1600, so a Carbon version should be around $2k. Compare that new Knollys new AM Chilcotin which stores are advertising for $2450 W/ Fox Kashima RP23 here in Canada and that is not Carbon. Compared to that the Banshee seems like a steal.
    I'm a supplier of resins to the cf/advanced materials industry and, just as with everything else, you can do it the cheap way or you can do it the right way. I wouldn't want to ride a cf Rune that only costs $400 more - would NOT last, trust me. Double that figure and you'd be getting closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Yeah but you have a bad taste in your mouth because of my Spitty and Tim's problems with it in your area. Keep in mind my bike has a 12.9" BB height compared to a 13.68-13.75" BB that we're asking for on the new Rune. You'll be just fine!

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    Bad taste? Not at all. I didn't have the same issues that Tim did. I didn't experience any of the wear problems or pedal strikes. My only complain about the Rune was the pedal feedback. In our rough terrain, it just didn't work for me. Sucks too, because I've never felt better on a bike as far as geometry is concerned.
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    I wonder how long before we see the prototype design show up on Pinkbike....

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    Still a while before you see anything, not finished the design quite yet...
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    I'd love to hear what the plans are for the Scythe (or whatever the next bigger bike than the rune will be).

    With the spitfire, prime, and rune, the trailbike area is pretty well covered...

    I'd love to see a 160-170mm, ~66 head angle, designed for use with a 180mm fork bike... basically a Scythe with the KS link. More of a Park/Shuttle bike than the rune....but with the square-edge performance of a mini-link...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Yeah but you have a bad taste in your mouth because of my Spitty and Tim's problems with it in your area. Keep in mind my bike has a 12.9" BB height compared to a 13.68-13.75" BB that we're asking for on the new Rune. You'll be just fine!

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    Hey leave me out of this! I'm happy as heck with my 13.8 BB on the Enduro, 170 Lyrik. No pedal kickback either and I can run a granny gear. I also checked the bolts the other day that hold all the pivots. Most maintenance I've done on pivots since I sold the....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    I'm a supplier of resins to the cf/advanced materials industry and, just as with everything else, you can do it the cheap way or you can do it the right way. I wouldn't want to ride a cf Rune that only costs $400 more - would NOT last, trust me. Double that figure and you'd be getting closer.

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    Really? Pivot's new Mach 5.7 Carbon is only $400 more then their Alum and they have a ton of experince with CF in their BH road bikes. I doubt they are doing anything to cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    It will have 3 position adjustable geometry at the dropout with is independant of suspension.
    Very nice! Looking forward to the new design with some of the modifications and extra adjustments, bike should rip!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Hey leave me out of this! I'm happy as heck with my 13.8 BB on the Enduro, 170 Lyrik. No pedal kickback either and I can run a granny gear. I also checked the bolts the other day that hold all the pivots. Most maintenance I've done on pivots since I sold the....
    Yup, 13.75ish is perfect in my book. Glad you're liking the Enduro as much as I'm liking the Spitty! I've been running a granny with very little pedal feedback. Not sure if that's due to the PUSHED RT-AM or that I'm running only 25% sag or just spinning smoother but I don't notice it and that was one of my fears when considering it as you may recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    Bad taste? Not at all. I didn't have the same issues that Tim did. I didn't experience any of the wear problems or pedal strikes. My only complain about the Rune was the pedal feedback. In our rough terrain, it just didn't work for me. Sucks too, because I've never felt better on a bike as far as geometry is concerned.
    Well that was my point, maybe wrongly worded (I didn't mean your experience with your Rune but rather Tim's with the Spitty affecting your thinking of lower BB's in general). Cornering really improves from my experience and 13.75" would still allow for plenty of rock clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Really? Pivot's new Mach 5.7 Carbon is only $400 more then their Alum and they have a ton of experince with CF in their BH road bikes. I doubt they are doing anything to cheap.
    Yeah, new is the key word. Lets see how they hold up long term. There is a learning curve FWIW, not to mention raw material costs have gone up over 50% in the past year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Yup, 13.75ish is perfect in my book. Glad you're liking the Enduro as much as I'm liking the Spitty! I've been running a granny with very little pedal feedback. Not sure if that's due to the PUSHED RT-AM or that I'm running only 25% sag or just spinning smoother but I don't notice it and that was one of my fears when considering it as you may recall.

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    Bring it to PHX. If you don't noticed it after a day of climbing what we do. I'll say it was just my imagination. I'm by no means a perfect climber though. I can sure tell a huge difference in the way the Enduro pedals compared to the Spitfire.

    Bottom line is we both ended up with a bike we enjoy. I just have less maintenance now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Well that was my point, maybe wrongly worded (I didn't mean your experience with your Rune but rather Tim's with the Spitty affecting your thinking of lower BB's in general). Cornering really improves from my experience and 13.75" would still allow for plenty of rock clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    Nah, I'm a big boy and can decide for myself whether I feel a BB is too low or not.
    Correct on both counts.
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    Agreed on the 23.5" top tube for a medium!!!! most people at 5'11" are tweeners currently. Slightly less pedal feedback would be solid too along with a 13.75 BB (so with a Lyrik DH with a straigh 1.5" steerer and 170mm travel the BB isn't too high) and lastly an easier to maintain bushing system. CS length is fine IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Agreed on the 23.5" top tube for a medium!!!! most people at 5'11" are tweeners currently.
    I gotta represent for those of us that fall right in the center of Banshee's recommended sizing: The current top tube & seat lengths are prefect for the intended usage.

    Maybe making the sizes slightly smaller - so you tweeners could happily ride a Large?

    Or get some platform shoes....
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    I went medium with 70mm stem - should have gone large with 50mm stem...I had a Large DW 5 spot with 23.6 ETT prior to the Rune and that fit me really well. So either slightly smaller or larger for a given size would work for me! But a lot of companies are 22" 23" 24" for S M L and it's no deal breaker but I never got to test ride the Rune before buying it (No dealers close to me)....If I had I would have tried both sizes and messed around with stems

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Still a while before you see anything, not finished the design quite yet...
    When are you looking at having a proto built?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    I gotta represent for those of us that fall right in the center of Banshee's recommended sizing: The current top tube & seat lengths are prefect for the intended usage.

    Maybe making the sizes slightly smaller - so you tweeners could happily ride a Large?

    Or get some platform shoes....
    Tweener sizes are just plain hard to make work (came off a SC BLT which never worked for me). I'm 5'9" which is considered the US average height for a male so it needs to be smack in the middle as it is with the Spitty if you want to play averages and make the most possible riders happy. :

    Cheers,

    G
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz View Post
    Nah, I'm a big boy and can decide for myself whether I feel a BB is too low or not.
    Oh I'm sure you can but 14.1" BB height? Really? REALLY? Me thinks you need to improve your pedal leveling skills; from the responses so far you've been over-ruled!
    Actually if the new interchangeable dropout system will be anything like Intense's system, I think there will be options that will make us both happy campers.

    Cheers!

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    Last edited by Gman086; 10-20-2011 at 01:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acme54321 View Post
    When are you looking at having a proto built?
    Yeah and who better to test than me?!
    "There's two shuttles, one to the top and one to the hospital" I LOVE this place!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Bring it to PHX. If you don't noticed it after a day of climbing what we do. I'll say it was just my imagination. I'm by no means a perfect climber though. I can sure tell a huge difference in the way the Enduro pedals compared to the Spitfire.

    Bottom line is we both ended up with a bike we enjoy. I just have less maintenance now!
    Are you using lockout or propedal when climbing? My buddy has your same bike and I found I needed to flip his propedal switch on or it was bobbing noticably. When it was on light (propedal) it worked flawlessly tho for both the ups and downs.

    Would love to ride with you and Steve when I get down there on business (now that I finally have a job again ) which should be before the end of the year. Probably rent a bike tho as it's quite the expense to fly your bike down these dayz! Is there a place to rent a decent bike?

    Cheers,

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    Last edited by Gman086; 10-23-2011 at 01:40 PM.
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