• 10-05-2012
    DFYFZX
    Production Prime Photo/Build thread
    Here's mine:thumbsup: Apologies in advance for the not so good pictures. My wife decided to let my camera go on an African safari with my mother-in-law without letting me know so all I had was my iPhone and a dark garage:madman:

    Frame: Raw medium
    Fork: Fox34 Float set at 140mm
    Crankset: XO with 28t spiderless MRP BlingRing and RaceFace boots
    Chainguide: E13 LG1+ modified to fit 28t ring
    Bottom Bracket: Hope ceramic
    Pedals: Spank Spike
    Seatpost: KS LEV
    Seat: brown Chromag Trailmaster
    Bars: ENVE AM
    Grips: brown ODI Rogue with blue ODI lock ons
    Stem: Chromag Ranger
    Headset: CaneCreek 40 Series
    Brakes: XTR Trail with Hope Saw rotors(7" F/6" R)
    Shifter: X9
    Derailleur: short cage X9 with KCNC sealed bearing jocky wheels
    Cassette: Sram 1070 12-36
    F Hub: American Classic 15mm
    R Hub: DT 240s with 36t upgrade and Hadley thru bolt
    Spokes: Sapim CXRay
    Rims: LightBicycle carbon AM with Bontrager Rhythm rimstrips and Stan's valves
    Tires: Specialized Ground Control 2.3
    Chain: KMC X10SL
    Seatpost Clamp: Salsa LipLock

    Weight = 29.5 pounds:thumbsup:

    I still have lots of adjusting and trimming to do and I didn't get to ride her:mad: Can't wait to get her out in the woods and see what all the hype is about!

    FYI for all of those who helped decide on the Medium frame... THANKS! I'm long and lanky but the Medium with the 70mm stem and post just about all the way out felt REALLY good on the neighborhood loop:thumbsup: I can already tell I won't be too cramped and there's still room for adjustment. I'm also strongly considering going to wider bars but I figured I'd ride her a few times before I drop the coin.

    Without further delay...








  • 10-05-2012
    FM
    WOW. That's a sweet build, very nicely done!
    Great choices on the specs....you obviously know how to build a bike.

    Is that the steepest setting on the dropouts? Would love a WB measurement
  • 10-05-2012
    DFYFZX
    Thanks! Glad you like it.

    It is indeed the steepest setting. My buddy is dropping it off at the shop tomorrow to get the brake hoses shortened and the wheels tensioned. When I get back from my work trip and have her in hand again I'll get you a wheelbase measurement;) Probably Monday...
  • 10-05-2012
    FM
    You're gonna love it:D
  • 10-06-2012
    Optimus
    Dammit!! I paid for mine in April, I was supposed to be the first. Dammit, dammit, dammit!! :D

    Nice build DFY, too bad you have to work, you should be out thrashing it.:)

    With luck, I'll be seeing mine next week. My wife has already been informed, when the frame gets here, family life goes on hold for, oh, 3 months or so. I'm going to ride, ride, ride. It's just starting to cool off here in Phoenix, the weather will be perfect for epics very soon.
  • 10-06-2012
    LyNx
    Nice to see them in peoples hands. Have to agree with FM, think you'll be super happy with the decision to purchase this frame ;) Nice build, nice weight considering the pretty burly build. Will say though, don't wait, order the wider bar so when you get home from your trip it's waiting for you - best move I ever did was buy my FUNN 750mm wide bar, the the topper, buying the DH 785mm wide bar which resides on my Prime :D
  • 10-06-2012
    Optimus
    I recently went from 711mm to 750mm on my Paradox, took me all of 15 minutes to forget all about the 711's. Now I've got 2 carbon and 1 aluminum Haven collecting dust on my bench and boxes from my 3 new Havocs over in the corner of the garage.
  • 10-06-2012
    DrF035
    Sick bike !!

    How tall are you?
  • 10-07-2012
    DFYFZX
    I'm 5'11" with a 34" inseam.

    I ordered up a set of 740mm wide bars I found for cheap. Time to see what the fuss is all about;)
  • 10-07-2012
    LyNx
    I think you'll like the bit extra width, hope you don't have a whoile stable of bikes with narrower bars though, cause it could prove expensive :D BTW, if you want to try wider, I can attest to these bars being <300g, strong and sweet, but again, could prove expensive if you've got a few bikes ;)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    I'm 5'11" with a 34" inseam.

    I ordered up a set of 740mm wide bars I found for cheap. Time to see what the fuss is all about;)

  • 10-07-2012
    DFYFZX
    Luckily, the Prime is my only bike until this winter when I build my fatbike:) I actually have two other parts bin bikes for my wife and best friend but they don't need modern, fancy stuff. They're fine with lightly used fancy stuff;)
  • 10-07-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    I'm 5'11" with a 34" inseam.

    I ordered up a set of 740mm wide bars I found for cheap. Time to see what the fuss is all about;)

    740mm is not wide. ;)
  • 10-07-2012
    DFYFZX
    It is when I'm not wide;) I'm 5'11" and weigh 160lbs so I'm not a burly, wide guy. I was looking for something wider with the intent of cutting them down if needed but got a deal on these. They're almost 2" wider than my ENVE bars which already feel really wide to me so we'll see;)
  • 10-07-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    It is when I'm not wide;) I'm 5'11" and weigh 160lbs so I'm not a burly, wide guy. I was looking for something wider with the intent of cutting them down if needed but got a deal on these. They're almost 2" wider than my ENVE bars which already feel really wide to me so we'll see;)

    Just teasing, I'm 6'4" and I won't go below Chromag's 785mm bars, and I tried to get my brother on the wide movement, but at 5'10" I finally stopped trimming his bars to a comfortable width of 720mm.
  • 10-07-2012
    FM
    height/weight has little to do with it...bar width is all about leverage on the front wheel. I can't think of any situations where less leverage is an advantage.

    Narrow bars seem like a good idea for tight trails, but you are sacrificing bike control for clearance....

    Both my prime and rune have 30" bars....28" is as narrow as Ill go. 28's on my wife's bike (my old curtlo 26" am hardtail). The narrow bars bug me every time I get on that bike.

    So yeah, 740mm is good, but don't cut em!
  • 10-07-2012
    highrustler
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    I'm 5'11" with a 34" inseam.

    I ordered up a set of 740mm wide bars I found for cheap. Time to see what the fuss is all about;)

    And you're on a MED? I was just advised by Keith that a large would fit me best and I've got a 32" inseam. Hmmmm.
  • 10-07-2012
    LyNx
    Remember, sizing a bike is based on more than just inseam or height, but also intended usage and your body proportions. Stand over on the Primes is insane, I've let guys who should ride a SM or M ride mine and they had no issues what so ever with straddling the bike with room to spare, so maybe Keith went by other factors which are more important - ST length is the least important I think in sizing a bike. I like more stability, have Gibbon long arms and legs and love my XL, even though I'm only 6'2.25" tall, running it with a 70mm stem and 785mm wide bar - to each their own.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    And you're on a MED? I was just advised by Keith that a large would fit me best and I've got a 32" inseam. Hmmmm.

  • 10-07-2012
    DFYFZX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FM View Post
    height/weight has little to do with it...bar width is all about leverage on the front wheel. I can't think of any situations where less leverage is an advantage.

    Narrow bars seem like a good idea for tight trails, but you are sacrificing bike control for clearance....

    Both my prime and rune have 30" bars....28" is as narrow as Ill go. 28's on my wife's bike (my old curtlo 26" am hardtail). The narrow bars bug me every time I get on that bike.

    So yeah, 740mm is good, but don't cut em!

    I agree with all the benefits of wide bars but there comes a point, with narrower shoulders, that the wrists will be uncomfortably angled. My current bars are 700mm wide with a 9 degree sweep and I'm going to 740mm with a 12 degree sweep. I'm guessing I'll like it a lot;)
  • 10-07-2012
    Optimus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    And you're on a MED? I was just advised by Keith that a large would fit me best and I've got a 32" inseam. Hmmmm.

    5'11" is the med/lg break point. A lot of us 6 footers have been debating long and hard on whether to go larger or smaller. When you look at DFY's height vs inseam, he's all legs, from the waist up the medium probably fits him just fine, he's just pretty much maxxed on his seat post extension. LyNx on the other hand, has longer arms, he prefers the xl, and of course has the ability to run his seat post a bit shorter than what may be "typical" for an xl. Me, I'm 6' even, 32" inseam, my medium should be here this week, I expect to be running close to max seat post extension on my post of choice, the reach should be about perfect, but for my terrain and riding style I was looking for that flickability. I also ride a ride a lg Paradox, and I know that I could be comfortable on a med on that frame as well. You of course have the ability to affect cockpit length through saddle adjustments, stem length, and bar width. Depends on whether you like being stretched out or not, it's all rider preference, while of course paying appropriate attention to the manufacturers recommendations, and opinions from those with hands on experience. Of course, this is only my opinion and interpretation of others opinions. :)
  • 10-07-2012
    DFYFZX
    Yea! What he said:)

    Am I really the only person with one built??? I figured being in MO I'd be way behind you west coasters on getting my hands on one.
  • 10-07-2012
    Optimus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Am I really the only person with one built???

    :cryin::cryin::cryin::cryin:
  • 10-08-2012
    20.100 FR
    Nice build.

    What is the weight of the bare frame ?
  • 10-08-2012
    DFYFZX
    My M, raw frame with shock and 135x10mm dropouts was 7.9lbs.
  • 10-08-2012
    Optimus
    What kind of terrain are you abusing those Ground Controls on? I have them on my single speed, and they grab pretty well, but I thought they appeared a tad narrow for a 2.3, and felt a little light weight for where I do my more adventurous riding. The new Butcher will be out soon, awesome front tire.
  • 10-08-2012
    DFYFZX
    Lots of rocks and roots. Really technical but nothing particularly sharp or pointy;) I got them for $35 each so I thought I'd give them a shot. I have an FR3, some Rampages, a pair of Dampfs, Ardents, etc. lying around and may switch if these don't hold up. I'm also pretty light and a smooth rider so don't usually have tire durability issues. If I were taking an epic AZ trip, or something, I wouldn't trust the Ground Controls just yet.

    By the way, the best front tire I've ever used, IMHO, is the FR3 Team Issue;) If it weren't so dang heavy...
  • 10-09-2012
    20.100 FR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    My M, raw frame with shock and 135x10mm dropouts was 7.9lbs.

    Thanks

    I prefer the Hans Dampf in the front to the FR3. FR3 knobs don't have enough support and roll under side load.

    Best front tire for me is the WTB dissent, if it wasn't 1.4 Kg !
  • 10-09-2012
    DFYFZX
    The Dampf is undoubtedly an awesome tire but I shredded it to a pile of rubbish in only a few hundred miles. For that kind of $$$ I expected much longer life! My FR3 praise is based on price, longevity, performance, etc. I'll admit that shear traction vs traction, Dampf wins;) Every other category...
  • 10-10-2012
    jncarpenter
    First opportunity to post a pic of mine (travel safe!).
    ;)

  • 10-10-2012
    DrF035
    Beatiful !!!
    Is it medium size ?
  • 10-11-2012
    LyNx
    Guessing you've only just received it and haven't had time to strip it yet :D

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    First opportunity to post a pic of mine (travel safe!).
    ;)


  • 10-11-2012
    G_g
    Guess you can't help me out on this one. Are the decals under the clearcoat?

    Thinking black ano, black stickers saying banshee only. I'd say anodized frames don't need clearcoating. Anyways, distributor here has cheaper pricing on raw frame, which has too many decals for my likings anyway. So, can you just peel them off?

    Fot those who have ridden the fox CTD, how does it fare? Worth keeping or plan imediate upgrade to better air shock (monarch or ccdb, even BOS)?
  • 10-11-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Guessing you've only just received it and haven't had time to strip it yet :D

    Actually, that was sitting in The Barn...it shipped two days ago :D
  • 10-11-2012
    DFYFZX
    Decals are clear coated on. No removing them.
  • 10-11-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Decals are clear coated on. No removing them.

    That is not what Banshee told me originally. They said they are a heat transfer, but would require a pressure washer to remove.
  • 10-11-2012
    LyNx
    Have to agree with JNC, when asked they said they were heat transferred on, over the clear coat. Let's hope that's still true and they can be removed by those who wish.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Decals are clear coated on. No removing them.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    That is not what Banshee told me originally. They said they are a heat transfer, but would require a pressure washer to remove.


    So you should have it built by Friday night latest then :D You dump the Turner yet, or waiting to see how the Prime performs first?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Actually, that was sitting in The Barn...it shipped two days ago :D

  • 10-11-2012
    FM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    That is not what Banshee told me originally. They said they are a heat transfer, but would require a pressure washer to remove.

    I think that may be the case for the black ano frames only?

    Either way I am stoked to see your build JNC!
  • 10-11-2012
    eurospek
    So is the yellow then painted or ano finish?
  • 10-11-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    You dump the Turner yet, or waiting to see how the Prime performs first?

    Sold the Sultan to a gentleman in Russia (in less than a day)....prior to ordering! ;)
  • 10-12-2012
    sakucee
    So how well the production version pedals?
  • 10-12-2012
    LyNx
    You know what would be very cool, if one of the testers also got one of the production versions and could report back how they compare, what the improvements did etc ;) Now I'm sure one of the Pros who tested the protos or pre-productions will get to do this, but I'm talking one of the avg Joes, you know, a rider like all of us here on MTBR.

    I plan to somewhat do this is at least testing the new geo setting and rear tri as I have issues with my size 48 shoes rubbing the stays on the pre-production rear right now. Also would just like to have the 3 angle setting available and have the steep setting with shortest stays instead of reverse I currently have. Also the option to drop a few grams would be nice and to see the flip chip design.
  • 10-12-2012
    sakucee
    Aaaaactually... i do have production version coming up.

    :D
  • 10-12-2012
    LyNx
    Lucky bugger :p What made you decide to get it and are you keeping the pre-production one as well? Any idea on when you'll be getting it?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    Aaaaactually... i do have production version coming up.

    :D

  • 10-12-2012
    sakucee
    142 dropouts, weight, had money to burn. Should be leaving dealer as we speak, maybe week or two?

    idk.
  • 10-12-2012
    LyNx
    Oh you're def a lucky bugger, wish I had the $$ to spare to do it as well :( 142mm dropouts don't sway me either way as I have some coordination and can easily line up and install a wheel without needing guides :D The weight drop and other refinements though are def worth it if you've got the coin to do it. When you get it is it going to be a completely new build so you have both to ride back to back or will you be stripping the Pre for parts?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    142 dropouts, weight, had money to burn. Should be leaving dealer as we speak, maybe week or two?

    idk.

  • 10-12-2012
    sakucee
    Gonna use old parts, no point, they still work, even had the DHX-A custom tuned for my weight so no sense losing that and i had no issues with it.

    Biggest reason i want 142mm is bolt through 12mm axle, not the notches for wheel lineup :D , also the 3 geo setting on production frame doesn't hurt.

    Don't know what i'm gonna do to the old frame, maybe hang it up to a wall?
  • 10-12-2012
    FM
    I'm eager to see some wheelbase measurements for the different geometry settings for the production Prime.

    :) :D
  • 10-12-2012
    builttoride
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FM View Post
    I'm eager to see some wheelbase measurements for the different geometry settings for the production Prime.

    :) :D

    From the listed geometry, the wheelbase goes up by about 3mm in slack mode, and down by about 3mm in steep mode.
  • 10-12-2012
    sakucee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    From the listed geometry, the wheelbase goes up by about 3mm in slack mode, and down by about 3mm in steep mode.

    Prime geometry formatting with Chrome is all messed up by the way, wall of text!
  • 10-12-2012
    builttoride
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    Prime geometry formatting with Chrome is all messed up by the way, wall of text!

    Thanks for the heads up!
  • 10-12-2012
    sakucee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Thanks for the heads up!

    Not counting CCDB-Air (price, too many friggin knobs and need tools to turn 'em) as option, which one of these for production frame?

    1) RS Vivid Air
    2) X-Fusion Vector Air HLR

    And which tune?

    (I think i'll build another shock for big mountain days and another for general trail riding)
  • 10-12-2012
    builttoride
  • 10-12-2012
    LyNx
    I'd have to say the X-Fusion Vector Air HLR going by what the couple guys who got them for their PP Primes have said about them and in general what others have said about the shock. I'm also tossing up between getting the Vector Air or an 02 RLX/RCX - know the Vector would be the best choice, but don't really do any drops or get much air, so don't think I'd really benefit from the piggyback, however, having High and Low speed compression control would give you an absolutely dialed shock IMHO.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    Not counting CCDB-Air (price, too many friggin knobs and need tools to turn 'em) as option, which one of these for production frame?

    1) RS Vivid Air
    2) X-Fusion Vector Air HLR

    And which tune?

    (I think i'll build another shock for big mountain days and another for general trail riding)

  • 10-12-2012
    LyNx
    Keith, out of curiosity for those of us who don't know $hit about such things, could you explain the difference between the Pre and Production ratios? If I have even an inkling reading them it would seem the production ramps up even higher at the end and doesn't go as low/soft when it bottoms:confused:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by builttoride View Post

  • 10-13-2012
    builttoride
    The pre production frames are actually slightly mre progressive than the production ones. The main reason for this was shock compatibility, as we wanted this frame to work well with the DBair, and we found that the pre production frames were a little too progressive for the shock. The curve shape is very similar really, although production frames are a little more linear, and have slightly lower leverage ratio across mid stroke range. So they shold pedal slightly better with stock shocks. Of course the shocks that we offer with the frames are always tuned to match that frame.

    The leverage curve s not all the story either, that is just what is useful for referance when trying to tune a shock to match, there are a number of other linkage kinematic characteristics that all have an effect on the way the suspension works such as antisquat and chainstretch which can make bikes with the same leverage curve feel more or less progressive with the same shock tune.
  • 10-13-2012
    G_g
    Keith, or anyone from banshee, or even anyone who has seen a black ano prime in first hand.

    Are the decals under a layer of clearcoat in the black ano frame?

    I already know about the raw frame, but I'd like intel about the black ano. It doesn't make much sense to clearcoar a anodized frame, hence my belief on heat gun stickered decals. If this is true, I guess they can "easily" be removed (just heat it up again and peel them away). Is this true?
  • 10-13-2012
    DrF035
    ^^
    Looks like nobody likes the new graphics
  • 10-13-2012
    qbert2000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DrF035 View Post
    ^^
    Looks like nobody likes the new graphics

    can't blame them, they are hideous imho. overbearing.
  • 10-13-2012
    G_g
    Being the owner of a V1 Rune, whose styling was neat and clean, I do find the v2 version a bit over the top in terms of decals. If they came in a sheet so we could apply them, fine. The brand name is ok to have under the clearcoat.

    It is just all those stripes and lines that I think are dependant on everyone's taste...

    I think the big brand name in diagonal tube and small model name on horizontal worked fine, but that's just me
  • 10-13-2012
    qbert2000
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by G_g View Post
    Being the owner of a V1 Rune, whose styling was neat and clean, I do find the v2 version a bit over the top in terms of decals. If they came in a sheet so we could apply them, fine. The brand name is ok to have under the clearcoat.

    It is just all those stripes and lines that I think are dependant on everyone's taste...

    I think the big brand name in diagonal tube and small model name on horizontal worked fine, but that's just me

    i agree 100%
  • 10-14-2012
    sakucee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DrF035 View Post
    ^^
    Looks like nobody likes the new graphics

    Nah, i like 'em.
  • 10-14-2012
    DFYFZX
    I don't mind them. Not in love with them...don't hate them...
  • 10-16-2012
    20.100 FR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The pre production frames are actually slightly mre progressive than the production ones. The main reason for this was shock compatibility, as we wanted this frame to work well with the DBair, and we found that the pre production frames were a little too progressive for the shock. The curve shape is very similar really, although production frames are a little more linear, and have slightly lower leverage ratio across mid stroke range. So they shold pedal slightly better with stock shocks. Of course the shocks that we offer with the frames are always tuned to match that frame.

    The leverage curve s not all the story either, that is just what is useful for referance when trying to tune a shock to match, there are a number of other linkage kinematic characteristics that all have an effect on the way the suspension works such as antisquat and chainstretch which can make bikes with the same leverage curve feel more or less progressive with the same shock tune.

    I would be very interested in the antisquat curve.
    As it changed compared to picture based model antonio made last year ?
  • 10-16-2012
    G_g
    Portuguese distributor is asking me to make a decision on frame finish, but i need an answer to the following: Are the decals under a layer of varnish/clearcoat/whatever in the black ano frame, or can i just heat them lightly and peel them off?

    If i can remove some of those stripes, getting black ano, otherwise, undecided between raw and bright neon yellow
  • 10-16-2012
    DrF035
    ^^
    I am in the same boat.

    I have a Black ano Rune 2008 and she does NOT have any clear coat over the black anodized surface. The white letters and graphics are paint over the Black anodized, but I removed with a strong chemical liquid.
    But I am NOT shure about the new version finish.
  • 10-16-2012
    Optimus
    I intend to ride the Prime graphics with pride. No, they're not my favorite, but I'm not building the bike because of how attractive I find the appearance. I'm building it because it is hands down the most badass AM 29er available.
  • 10-16-2012
    LyNx
    Well I could be wrong (highly doubt it) but I've NEVER seen an anodized frame with clear ontop and would assume that the anodized Primes will be no different.
  • 10-16-2012
    helimech
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I intend to ride the Prime graphics with pride. No, they're not my favorite, but I'm not building the bike because of how attractive I find the appearance. I'm building it because it is hands down the most badass AM 29er available.

    :thumbsup: You should come up to Ptown and shred that Prime in the Dells. Can't wait till my Rune shows up just for the same purpose!
  • 10-16-2012
    FM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I intend to ride the Prime graphics with pride. No, they're not my favorite, but I'm not building the bike because of how attractive I find the appearance. I'm building it because it is hands down the most badass AM 29er available.

    Couldn't agree more.

    No carpet queens in my garage!
  • 10-16-2012
    Optimus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    :thumbsup: You should come up to Ptown and shred that Prime in the Dells. Can't wait till my Rune shows up just for the same purpose!

    I've been wanting to get up there, I just can never seem to find the time. I hiked a bit out in the Dells back in the spring, I really want to ride there. Once I'm dialed in and ready to thrash I'll make a greater effort to drive up.
  • 10-16-2012
    helimech
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I've been wanting to get up there, I just can never seem to find the time. I hiked a bit out in the Dells back in the spring, I really want to ride there. Once I'm dialed in and ready to thrash I'll make a greater effort to drive up.

    Sweet, I'll give ya a tour when your ready. If ya want?
  • 10-16-2012
    Optimus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    Sweet, I'll give ya a tour when your ready. If ya want?

    Sounds like a plan, I'll give you a shout when I'm ready. Do the Dells get snowed in, or only the higher elevations?
  • 10-17-2012
    builttoride
    Ano frames do not have any clearcoat, the decals are heat tranfers.
  • 10-17-2012
    G_g
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Ano frames do not have any clearcoat, the decals are heat tranfers.

    Thanks Keith, all I wanted to know. I would get a prime, the decals just change if I can go Stealth Black or neon Yellow. (I like pretty bikes, but they must perform, no showroom cr@p, but if they can look nice, why not?)

    Now, since I have a DHX Air and a Van R in 200x57 (van R is on the Rune), CCDB Air or the CTD for the Prime? I mean, the prime is supposed to take the longer days on the saddle, where the Rune will be more descent oriented. I like the idea of low weight of the Fox CTD, but on the other hand, the performance of the CCDB is on another level... Maybe just sell my DHX Air and get a RP23 or anything similar for the pedally/XC/marathin days, and keep the CCDB Air on the prime? What you think?
  • 10-17-2012
    AdrianoMTB
    In my case with the rune I decided to go with a fox ctd (low weight and good performance for the whole year except summer time...) and then come to a vivid coil ( in your case would be a vivid air).

    Is not excesive price to spend in a second shock (coil or ccdb air or vivid air) for dark days or bikeparks.

    I think itīs the best option.

    Such everybody knows... a lighter frame would be more comfortable than a heavy one... and in overall I think itīs not worth it go to a ccdb air regarding the really good performance that the new rp23 ctd is currently showing....
  • 10-17-2012
    sakucee
    Gonna buy Vivid Air for my frame Low Comp, Med rebound tune.
  • 10-17-2012
    DrF035
    1 Attachment(s)
    New Prime in Large

    Attachment 731270

    :thumbsup:
  • 10-17-2012
    phat-ant
    Looking great! How does it ride?
  • 10-17-2012
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by phat-ant View Post
    Looking great! How does it ride?

    That's The Path Bike Shop's demo ride.
  • 10-17-2012
    helimech
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Sounds like a plan, I'll give you a shout when I'm ready. Do the Dells get snowed in, or only the higher elevations?


    Yes the Dells get snow, but alot of the trail is on rock and its no big deal. WooHoo.
  • 10-17-2012
    Enel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    :thumbsup: You should come up to Ptown and shred that Prime in the Dells. Can't wait till my Rune shows up just for the same purpose!

    Waaay too much bike;) Your Spitty is almost perfect.
  • 10-18-2012
    helimech
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Waaay too much bike;) Your Spitty is almost perfect.

    You said the magic word = almost. My nomad, 2 spitty's and a supper shuttle have cracked from the Dells? Ya the spitty was fun, but it was getting to much abuse. The Prime and the Rune should be beefy enough to handle the Dells for awhile? You know you want 1 :thumbsup:.
  • 10-18-2012
    Enel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    You said the magic word = almost. My nomad, 2 spitty's and a supper shuttle have cracked from the Dells? Ya the spitty was fun, but it was getting to much abuse. The Prime and the Rune should be beefy enough to handle the Dells for awhile? You know you want 1 :thumbsup:.

    Quit riding like a caveman! I have only killed one frame out there so far and it was a very lightweight XC frame.

    I did not know about the Spitfire deaths (or the gonad for that matter).

    Check your text messages.
  • 10-18-2012
    jncarpenter
    Just a mock up...but I couldn't wait to break out the tape measure :D

  • 10-18-2012
    FM
    Lookin' awesome JNC! :D

    PS- thanks for the package
  • 10-18-2012
    Optimus
    Last time I pay for a bike 6 months early. They'll be obsolete by the time mine gets here. One of you guys take an extra ride, for me, please. ;)

    Hey, the Butcher29's are available. Get em' while they're hot. Got one on my Paradox front and 2 extras on my bench. Awesome tire for AZ conditions.
  • 10-18-2012
    PeachesN'Cream
    Finally a 29" DHF!
    I'm sure I'll want a set, a front at minimum, but best to worry about the whole need a frame and fork thing first : )
  • 10-19-2012
    LyNx
    Hey JNC, what size is that? Ask as I see you have a setback post, find it strange that someone needs a setback post for a Prime - looks like needs as saddle is past 1/2 back on the rails. I've always needed setback posts on all bikes prior to the Prime, but not on the Prime, only reason I'm running one on it is for the post length - 350mm they send is just too short for me. Know you said it's a mockup,, just curious how "mock" ? :D

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Just a mock up...but I couldn't wait to break out the tape measure :D


  • 10-19-2012
    builttoride
    That is a medium prime I believe.
  • 10-19-2012
    sakucee
    Which Q factor from XX1 cranks is appropriate 168mm?
  • 10-19-2012
    builttoride
    Yup, the 168mm Q factor option is required for all Banshee frames.
  • 10-19-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Hey JNC, what size is that? Ask as I see you have a setback post, find it strange that someone needs a setback post for a Prime - looks like needs as saddle is past 1/2 back on the rails. I've always needed setback posts on all bikes prior to the Prime, but not on the Prime, only reason I'm running one on it is for the post length - 350mm they send is just too short for me. Know you said it's a mockup,, just curious how "mock" ? :D

    Yup...medium. I am trying to squeeze onto a medium for maximum schralp-ability ;)
    Surprisingly, there is only 1/4" difference in cockpit length from my HT 29er (Stickel) with 24" ETT. I am going to try both the offset & 0 offset Thomson posts...since I would like to go with a dropper post at some point, and there are none of those with offset I am interested in.

    "Mock'd up", as in, no headset installed yet (arrived today :D)...but I wanted to measure up a few data points. From what I can gather, this might be my best fitting FS 29er yet! Tomorrow will reveal all! I will be starting off with the lowest/slackest setting...and go from there! :thumbsup:
  • 10-20-2012
    jncarpenter
    Barely enough time to build after work tonight...shakedown ride tomorrow!

    Frame weight: 7.95 lbs

    Final Weight: 31.08 lbs


  • 10-20-2012
    FM
    Pimp!
  • 10-20-2012
    jncarpenter
    The thing is a wheelie machine! I can't wait to properly flog it! :D
  • 10-20-2012
    Optimus
    Looks nice, jnc. Get one of the new Butcher29's, you'll like it better than that Purg on the front, guaranteed.
  • 10-20-2012
    Optimus
    I'm not seeing any chain guide, jnc, but I won't argue that I could be blind. I'll be interested in hearing any chain drop issues during the flogging. I haven't decided on any chain guide yet, I plan to ride a bit and see if hopefully I can get away with just a stinger.
  • 10-20-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I'm not seeing any chain guide, jnc, but I won't argue that I could be blind. I'll be interested in hearing any chain drop issues during the flogging. I haven't decided on any chain guide yet, I plan to ride a bit and see if hopefully I can get away with just a stinger.

    I'll have to check out the B29...been too busy!

    I run a short cage rear der./ short-ish chain & never drop chains. :thumbsup:

    I am toying with the idea of stealing the Hammerschmidt from the Stickel! Imagine that with the new Sram XX1 rear :D
  • 10-20-2012
    Optimus
    Once I swap my big ring for a bash guard, pretty much mandatory for where I ride, I always swap to a medium cage. Never tried a short with 2 chain rings. Speaking of Hammerschmidts, I had half a crazy thought of building a Hammerschmidt dinglespeed.
  • 10-20-2012
    muzzanic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Oh you're def a lucky bugger, wish I had the $$ to spare to do it as well :( 142mm dropouts don't sway me either way as I have some coordination and can easily line up and install a wheel without needing guides :D The weight drop and other refinements though are def worth it if you've got the coin to do it. When you get it is it going to be a completely new build so you have both to ride back to back or will you be stripping the Pre for parts?

    Maybe wait for the carbon version.
  • 10-20-2012
    Optimus
    I ran Eskar fronts until you couldn't get them anymore, switched to 2.4 Purgatory, way better. I'm now riding the B29 front, way better again, the 2 spares laying on my bench weigh in at 811g and 833g. Not much heavier than a Purg, softer rubber, a touch thicker sidewall, feels just as good as the 26" version, maybe even a touch better because of the bigger diameter.