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    Yup, pics like that prove that is one of the nicest looking 29er frames around for sure.

    I <3 my Prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post

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    so you are running 10 speed shimano rear derailler with 9 speed sram shifters? any mods necessary to do that?

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    Finally got around to cleaning up my Prime for some pics, too busy riding and it was quite a mess, but yesterday was a rainy day off so did a bit of spit 'n polish. Took a while to build as my DBAir arrived d.o.a. (wasn't holding air), didn't realize it until I was able to build the bike which was a month after I had the frame...

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    Build spec;

    XL frame w/ DBAir
    Fox Float 34 (not CTD thankfully!)
    XT drivetrain
    RF Turbine 180mm cranks - 32/22 w/bash
    Hope EVO hubs w/ Project 321 green Flow rims
    Chromag 60mm stem w/ RF SixC bars - green
    Ergon cork grips
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    Thompson post while dropper is out for service
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    First one I've seen with green accents, looks pretty nice. I think a frame in that anodized green would look sweet Curious how tall are you Martin, can't remember exactly? Think you're somewhere a bit taller than me, running fairly similar cockpit fit. Sucks when you get new stuff and put it down waiting to use/build/work with it only to then find out it's defective and needs to be sent back.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinS View Post
    Finally got around to cleaning up my Prime for some pics, too busy riding and it was quite a mess, but yesterday was a rainy day off so did a bit of spit 'n polish. Took a while to build as my DBAir arrived d.o.a. (wasn't holding air), didn't realize it until I was able to build the bike which was a month after I had the frame...
    Build spec;

    XL frame w/ DBAir / Fox Float 34 (not CTD thankfully!)/XT drivetrain / RF Turbine 180mm cranks - 32/22 w/bash / Hope EVO hubs w/ Project 321 green Flow rims / Chromag 60mm stem w/ RF SixC bars - green / Ergon cork grips / CK Inset 2 headset - green / Thompson post while dropper is out for service / WTB Laser seat
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    I'm a bit over 6' 3", shorter legs for my height at 34" inseam.
    Yeah the shock issue was a bit of a pain, but the service centre in North Vancouver was pretty quick with the turnaround, but Canada Post decided to send it out on a bit of a tour (through Winnipeg, which is 3 provinces over from BC). Cane Creek apparently dynos each shock so it is very rare for them to have issues, mine was the first leaker they had seen with a brand new shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    so you are running 10 speed shimano rear derailler with 9 speed sram shifters? any mods necessary to do that?
    Correct. My ghetto drive train is working fabulously!
    10-spd Zee clutch der.
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    XT 9-spd 12-34 casette with ebay add-on 36t cog (removed the 13t? to keep it 9spd)
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    I'm a Clyde who rides xc trails that are just rough enough to make my back sore after a long ride. Don't do any big dh stuff, but I don't want to give up too much climbing ability (90% of climbs done well on my yelli ht).

    Would the prime be overkill for a 275 Lb Clyde looking for a beefy fs?

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    not necessarily. if you want a large and strong bike, the Prime surely is. you can keep it in the "steepest" setting for better xc handling (not remotely steep) and build the bike to your wishes. many people ride bikes that are ultimately more capable than they require but you seem like a good candidate. now if you said you were race oriented, clearly this wouldn't be a good choice. having said that a local racy clyde is currently using it as his only bike, and has been doing xc races on it. he's a former pro roadie and crazy strong and fit and does well, but obviously (and he knows it) it's not an xc race bike. enduro maybe, xc no.

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    If you don't want a frame that flexes under you, I'd say most definitely would make an excellent one bike. You could easily build it solidly <32lbs. I use mine for loads of climbing and yes a lighter frame would be nicer, but I know I can't break this thing and once there's none of those guys with S-Works/Ultimates in the 22-23lb range trying to out climb me and have me having to push to keep ahead, I don't mind FYI, I only weigh about 165lbs, 6'2".

    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I'm a Clyde who rides xc trails that are just rough enough to make my back sore after a long ride. Don't do any big dh stuff, but I don't want to give up too much climbing ability (90% of climbs done well on my yelli ht).

    Would the prime be overkill for a 275 Lb Clyde looking for a beefy fs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Correct. My ghetto drive train is working fabulously!
    10-spd Zee clutch der.
    9spd XO shifters & chain
    XT 9-spd 12-34 casette with ebay add-on 36t cog (removed the 13t? to keep it 9spd)
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    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I'm a Clyde who rides xc trails that are just rough enough to make my back sore after a long ride. Don't do any big dh stuff, but I don't want to give up too much climbing ability (90% of climbs done well on my yelli ht).

    Would the prime be overkill for a 275 Lb Clyde looking for a beefy fs?
    The Prime IS a full suspension Yelli I've had a Yelli and ride a Prime now for the exact same reason as you're stating; my back was always sore after a 2+ hr day on a hardtail so I moved on to full suspension. If you love your Yelli but want the back saving dual suspension, stop thinking and order one before they're all gone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I'm a Clyde who rides xc trails that are just rough enough to make my back sore after a long ride. Don't do any big dh stuff, but I don't want to give up too much climbing ability (90% of climbs done well on my yelli ht).
    I climb things on my Prime that I couldn't on my Yelli, or I make it farther before running out of gas. The longer rear center (i.e. chainstays) and tighter cockpit means better weight distribution when it gets really steep, and the great suspension helps when it's rough and/or loose. The only time I was faster on my Yelli was on moderate (middle ring country) and smooth climbs, despite the efficiency and lighter weight of a hardtail.

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    The prime is the yelli,'s fs cousin? I like the sound of that. I might have to look around for a nice used teams in the XML variety.

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    I'd have to concur, 'cept I had a Paradox and I thought it was absolutely the best climber, UNTIL I got the Prime. As Evasive said, only on smoother climbs did th4e Paradox beat the Prime, but once it gets chunky the Prime just gobbles it up. Also agree that while I loved my Paradox, anything linger than 2.5 hours and I felt it the rest of the day, body just isn't as young or nimble as it used to be, so having to use it as most of your suspension just wasn't happening for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I climb things on my Prime that I couldn't on my Yelli, or I make it farther before running out of gas. The longer rear center (i.e. chainstays) and tighter cockpit means better weight distribution when it gets really steep, and the great suspension helps when it's rough and/or loose. The only time I was faster on my Yelli was on moderate (middle ring country) and smooth climbs, despite the efficiency and lighter weight of a hardtail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I'd have to concur, 'cept I had a Paradox and I thought it was absolutely the best climber, UNTIL I got the Prime. As Evasive said, only on smoother climbs did the Paradox beat the Prime, but once it gets chunky the Prime just gobbles it up.
    Gotta agree 100%. It amazes me what my Prime claws it's way up.

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    Yup, Primes are great climbers. I leant my buddy my Prime during a ride because I kept out climbing him on his Spec Epic 29 (he's no slouch) which weighs about 5 - 6 lbs less. He was blown away, then I let him ride it down, he didn't want to give it back. All he asked was what I thought he could sell his Spec for...

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    Can any big fellas vouch for the climbing prowess of the prime? I just am afraid of bobbing up the hill if standing and mashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Can any big fellas vouch for the climbing prowess of the prime? I just am afraid of bobbing up the hill if standing and mashing.
    You can stop worrying.

    Mine is pre-production, so the kinematics aren't completely identical, but it's very efficient. I have a X-Fusion Vector Air HLR shock on mine, set up with very little low-speed compression damping. When riding on the road, the shaft barely moves. I hammer short climbs out of the saddle all the time, and it just takes off. I tend to be a seated climber for most sustained climbs, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Can any big fellas vouch for the climbing prowess of the prime? I just am afraid of bobbing up the hill if standing and mashing.
    Thought I just did!
    It will climb anything your legs can handle.

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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread

    My buddy just rode mine last week. We swapped bikes for about an hr. no fiddling with air pressures or anything. Straight across hand off. The Prime blew him away! He was amazed at the pedaling and plushness thru rough stuff. Oh...he came off an SB95 setup for him. He weighs 220 and u weigh 170. 50 pound difference in the shock setups and all he said was my front end was too soft

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Can any big fellas vouch for the climbing prowess of the prime? I just am afraid of bobbing up the hill if standing and mashing.
    I'm 6'2" and 250. I don't notice any significant bobbing. I have yet to feel like I'm being robbed of energy regardless of how I pedal up. It just goes and goes.

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    this is such a good looking frame. i think it fits what im looking for but its hard to commit with no local dealer to at least get a feel for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jab70 View Post
    this is such a good looking frame. i think it fits what im looking for but its hard to commit with no local dealer to at least get a feel for it...
    Same boat here. I've studied pretty carefully, and I think this is going to be my next bike. But it does take somewhat of a leap of faith to drop 2k without being able to ride one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKL View Post
    Same boat here. I've studied pretty carefully, and I think this is going to be my next bike. But it does take somewhat of a leap of faith to drop 2k without being able to ride one.
    For what its worth, its my One-bike, XC, trails, tech-stuff, alpine riding, done it all and never felt under-biked.

    I have completely shagged Ardent on back and only now i have traction problems... in mud.

    I like the balance of the bike myself for trail riding, its easy to handle on single track and its super fun to boost over roots and rocks.

    I don't have local dealer either but i dont foresee any problems with the frame for awhile since its stiff and sturdy.

    In short: Buy it.

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    People still test ride bikes????

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    I just am afraid of bobbing up the hill if standing and mashing.
    Can you clarify why you're worried about it? Is this your first full-suspension bike? First mini-link bike? I looked at your profile but it didn't tell me what you're riding now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Can you clarify why you're worried about it? Is this your first full-suspension bike? First mini-link bike? I looked at your profile but it didn't tell me what you're riding now.
    I appreciate you taking the time to look at what I am riding to get a better idea of my background. I will update my profile to make it easier for others.

    I currently ride a Yelli, a 9:ZERO:7, and a road bike. I have ZERO experience with FS bikes of any sort. I just know that my lbs has straight up said I will have a difficult time getting a FS bike setup correctly. Being a man of larger size, I have always experienced issues with fit, form, and function.

    I am just worried that my size will push the suspension settings to a point that they are not operating within their designed limits, and not perform correctly.

    Can you point out the advantages of mini-link?

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    Mini link bikes are usually stiffer. Shorter links flex less. Pretty straightforward The Prime in particular is VERY stiff! It's overbuilt and intended to be used for TRUE all mountain use. It most definitely is one of a few bikes that are "right" for you since you're a bigger guy. The only "issue" you would possibly run into is shock reliability. I don't think 250lbs is past the realm of possibility for the Fox air shock that comes with it but I've been wrong before.

    Honestly, you should message Keith and talk to him about your concern. He's a great guy and will try to help you and not just try to sell you something. Maybe ask him about swapping the air shock for a coil of some sort, OR, possibly buying the frame sans shock for a discount and buying the appropriate coil shock with the savings. His MTBR ID is builttoride...

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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread

    I'm generalizing and I'm far from an authority, but in general, mini link bikes are less prone to pedal-induced movement than some other designs. There are very few bad behaving bikes out there any longer though- they've pretty much been weeded out. And as noted, they're commonly stiffer. Also, if you look at the Prime and the other KS-Link bikes, the links are short, beefy, and most of the pivots are contained in the frame. I remember seeing FM mention that his Prime is stiffer than some 7" freeride bikes. All of that is good for a heavier rider.

    At 250 your issue may be getting a shock that has the right spring rate for you. I'm 230 and my X Fusion Vector Air is fantastic. If you go with the Prime, the Cane Creek is probably a better option than the CTD, but it's a shock with a LOT of adjustments. But CC seems to want to also work with customers who aren't seriously into tinkering, and they seem to offer pretty good support with stock settings and their own user forum (from my perspective at least; no direct experience).

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    Another tidbit of info...

    I've owned a Turner Sultan and a Pivot Mach429. I've extensively ridden a Yeti SB95, a Niner Rip9 and a Santa Cruz Tallboy. All five of those bikes are NOTORIOUSLY awesome pedaling bikes and some of the most popular on the market. The Prime, TO ME, pedals just as well as any of them and actually climbs better. The short rear end and overall better geometry along with modern AM geometry is simply awesome. I really have zero wandering thoughts about any other 29er on the market. I've never been able to say that before! The ONLY bike that would make me sell my Prime is...drum roll...a carbon Prime

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Another tidbit of info...

    I've owned a Turner Sultan and a Pivot Mach429. I've extensively ridden a Yeti SB95, a Niner Rip9 and a Santa Cruz Tallboy. All five of those bikes are NOTORIOUSLY awesome pedaling bikes and some of the most popular on the market. The Prime, TO ME, pedals just as well as any of them and actually climbs better. The short rear end and overall better geometry along with modern AM geometry is simply awesome. I really have zero wandering thoughts about any other 29er on the market. I've never been able to say that before! The ONLY bike that would make me sell my Prime is...drum roll...a carbon Prime
    Ok, you've convinced me! My first bike was an Ironhorse DW-Link bike, and I've done extensive demos of the 429 and Sultan. If it hangs with them in the pedaling dept., I'm good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JACKL View Post
    Ok, you've convinced me! My first bike was an Ironhorse DW-Link bike, and I've done extensive demos of the 429 and Sultan. If it hangs with them in the pedaling dept., I'm good to go.
    It pedals well enough that I've never even tried the C(climb) setting on my Fox CTD rear shock. It's on T(trail) 99% of the time. There's a few REALLY rocky downhills that my buddy and I like to stop, eat a snack, then tackle in the D(descend) setting just for sh!ts and grins

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    I'm on a pre-production and recently I've assembled and fitted several bikes including Giant AnthemX and TranceX and I have to say, that even though the suspension has been imrpoved upon for production, my PP Prime pedals better than either of them and yet still the small bump compliance is unreal. Right now running an older RP23, mostly with the Pro Pedal off except for road sections. After riding the TranceX just this morning I am seriously Jonesing for the Phantom sometime 2014>
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    My CCDBair is dialed nice and plush, with just enough low speed to give some nice bob resistance, I climb extensively with it fully active, best chunky tech climbing bike that I've even ridden. Just last night I picked up one of the new RS Pikes, looks like a really nice unit. It seems super smooth, I'm hoping that it's a better match for my shock than my F34 Talas is. It's going to be a few weeks until I can give a report though, I'm nursing a severe sprain and multiple fractured navicular from a ride gone wrong last weekend.

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    Against my better judgement, installed my Pike. I took it for a bit of a ride around my neighborhood, jumped some curbs, and got a nice feel for how smooth and plush this fork is. It has a similar feel as my DBair, not mushy by any means, but lots of smooth travel, firming up at the bottom.

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    sounds really good so far. what version it is? 140/150 or even dual position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkey View Post
    sounds really good so far. what version it is? 140/150 or even dual position?
    140mm, solo air. Just hard braking on the road, it feels pretty stiff in a forward/backward direction.

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    I think I need one!


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    Optimus, can you do some close ups of the arch clearance with the DHFs please? Thanks. Looks like there's SOME clearance, but not as much as I'd like. Is the DHF the biggest tyre you've had Optimus?
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    Optimus that is a great lookin ride, set up the way I been thinking with pike and dbair. Can't wait to get some feedback onk ur rides
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Optimus, can you do some close ups of the arch clearance with the DHFs please? Thanks. Looks like there's SOME clearance, but not as much as I'd like. Is the DHF the biggest tyre you've had Optimus?
    Yes, the DHF is my largest tire, and to be honest, I don't really see myself having any desire to go larger. Funny thing about the DHF/DHRII combo, it doesn't feel fast, or exciting, or even remarkable in any way. But, I either GPS or Strava all of my rides, and my times are averaging faster on anything flatish and substantially faster on anything downhill. Climbing is about the same, even though they're heavier tires, I think the increased traction makes up for it. I usually ride Specialized Butchers and Purgatories. These tires are my first experience with Maxxis, and so far, I really like them. They seem to be holding up really well in my desert terrain.

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    WHat size tire?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    WHat size tire?
    2.5 @ 28psi, on a Flow EX.

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    Very nice clearance then!


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    Thanks for the pics Dude, much better clearance than previous RS forks, that's for sure. Still though, I'm quite happy with my F34 right now and when I can afford a new fork it'll be the X-Fusion TRACE, because they're good product and cost about 2/3-3/4 the price of Fox/RS these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Yes, the DHF is my largest tire, and to be honest, I don't really see myself having any desire to go larger. .....These tires are my first experience with Maxxis, and so far, I really like them. They seem to be holding up really well in my desert terrain.
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    LyNx, I don't remember, is your F34 a Talas? Mine is, and what I've found, is to get mine to perform with a nice level of plushness, I have to adjust it such that I blow through all of my travel too easily. I probably never would have thought much about it, but then I started riding my DBair, and realized how smooth mtb suspension can feel. Now, I'll be the first to admit that there are probably many things that I do not know about suspension tuning, but I do know that my DBair with the HV can is amazing. I also know that I have not been able to get my Talas adjusted to the point where it feels as if it's working in a very similar fashion. I'm anxious to get out for a real ride on my Pike, because as I stated above, it's characteristics jumping off some curbs indicate that it may feel very similar in action to my shock. Or not, we'll see. And it also feels more "heavy duty", which should be right at home on a Prime frame. But, I like goofing around with new parts, searching for what works really well, for me. I looked briefly at the XFusion stuff, no particular reason why I didn't try it. I've always been a Fox guy, but I find this new Pike to be very interesting.

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    I got 2012 Float-FIT F34 before all this CTD crap started and i'm happy with it... although i think my crown has started to creak.

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    My Talas is pre CTD. I wonder if some of the "firmness" that I really can't seem to get adjusted out is because of the Talas function?

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    It's just the Float version, with FIT damper, feels very plush to me, uses travel well IMO. In all my readings have heard that the Talus feature adds stiction to Fox forks and you seem to be another confirming this. Wish I couls use all my travel on my F34, just doesn't send the o-ring any further than just above the Kashima logo on the stanchion.

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    LyNx, I don't remember, is your F34 a Talas? Mine is, and what I've found, is to get mine to perform with a nice level of plushness, I have to adjust it such that I blow through all of my travel too easily.
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    I got 2012 Float-FIT F34 before all this CTD crap started and i'm happy with it... although i think my crown has started to creak.
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    My Talas is pre CTD. I wonder if some of the "firmness" that I really can't seem to get adjusted out is because of the Talas function?
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    Case a four-footer. That'll do it; trust me.

    It's a little hard for me to say, a) because I'm not all that suspension- savvy, and b) I think the "use all your travel once on every ride" advice is BS, but I think I have my 34 Float set up tolerably. I don't think it sucks, it doesn't bother me, and it doesn't dive when it shouldn't. But I understand what Optimus is getting at with the instructive feel of the rear shock. I have gotten my X-Fusion Vector pretty dialed, and it's a couple orders of magnitude better than any experience I'd had before. I have been told that the Pike is really supportive through the middle portion of its travel, and stiffer than the 34. I hope to get one at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    ...I do know that my DBair with the HV can is amazing.
    Are you running any spacers in your XV can? I've been trying different configurations since I got the XV can and haven't found one I really like yet. First I tried the small spacer, and the shock just blew through its travel (13mm sag). Next I tried the larger spacer, same sag, and it was better but still a little soft for my tastes. This weekend I went back to the standard can with no spacers and liked the support, but I couldn't get all the travel.

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    Yeah, it's pretty awesome, me and three mates did 70 km really rough rooty and stony single track yesterday and it was my poor physique that gave in rather than the bike!

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    Still missing a new handlebar, drop post and saddle but the Tune-wheels and Ikon tyre handled the rough Swedish terrain beautifully!

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    No spacers, Marshall. I'm about 205-215 lbs riding weight, 3-4 ft drops max, lots of high speed basketball size chunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    They seem to be holding up really well in my desert terrain.
    I find the DHF on the front of the Prime to be a pretty amazing tire. Really like it thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    2.5 @ 28psi, on a Flow EX.
    Dang. I put 25 in it and probably let out 2-3 psi on today's ledgy ride. I am at least 5psi lower in the DHF than I used to run in a Bontrager FR3 (equivalent volume). I generally like firm tires also, but the DHF seems to hold its firmness at low pressures. I do not like it when tires get squiggly and will give up some comfort and traction and run a higher pressure to avoid that feeling.

    All that to say I usually run tires a bit hard, but the DHF can be run fairly low psi.
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    How much do you weigh Enel and are you running them tubeless and on what rims? I weigh anywhere from 175-195lbs geared to ride and find I hardly even run my front harder than 25PSI and that right now is the HR2 proto, normally when not so much gear I'm down around 21-22 PSI.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Dang. I put 25 in it and probably let out 2-3 psi on today's ledgy ride. I am at least 5psi lower in the DHF than I used to run in a Bontrager FR3 (equivalent volume). I generally like firm tires also, but the DHF seems to hold its firmness at low pressures. I do not like it when tires get squiggly and will give up some comfort and traction and run a higher pressure to avoid that feeling.

    All that to say I usually run tires a bit hard, but the DHF can be run fairly low psi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    All that to say I usually run tires a bit hard, but the DHF can be run fairly low psi.
    I did get in a few miles today for some test and tune on my new Pike, dropped the DHF to 27, DHRII to 29. Felt fine, I may go another 1 or 2 psi for my next ride. Fork is nice, plush at the top, firms up nicely at the bottom, with no really noticeable transition in between. I'm running 3 clicks from wide open for LSC, 3 clicks from full closed for rebound. I'm close only, and expect after a couple of ride to have to tweak it a bit. It seems to work very well for both lower speed chumkies, and also for high speed baby heads. I'm still farting around a bit with my HV can on my DBair. I though I about had it, but with this nice squishy fork, it's needing a little tweak also. I made a run down a .6 mile little techish dhish run near my house, missed my PR by 3 seconds. On an ankle that I fractured 2 weekends ago. My Prime made me do it.

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    I've pinch flatted my DHF in front twice now (tubes, MTX33s). Probably in the low 20s. I have the front at 28-29 now, but since I'm using the gauge on an old Performance pump, that's a guesstimate.

    The first one really surprised me, as I haven't had a front flat in years. The second was dumb- the rock was flatter than I realized, and I heard it hit the rim. One thing about these tires- the sidewalls are stiffer than I've used before, and they feel firmer at lower pressures. I really need to buy a gauge.

    According to OTE Hurricane's FB updates, they're starting to get the Conti TKs with Black Chil / ProTection. I don't know that I care anymore. The Minions are fantastic. I'll probably try TKs at some point, but the new Magic Mary will be the next big tire I try.

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    I'm thinking the Pike has 12 clicks compression, 20 clicks rebound. I'm at 75% open compression, 15% open rebound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    How much do you weigh Enel and are you running them tubeless and on what rims? I weigh anywhere from 175-195lbs geared to ride and find I hardly even run my front harder than 25PSI and that right now is the HR2 proto, normally when not so much gear I'm down around 21-22 PSI.
    Maybe 195-200 all geared up. Tubeless, Flow rims. Don't know what compound I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    I've pinch flatted my DHF in front twice now (tubes, MTX33s). Probably in the low 20s. I have the front at 28-29 now, but since I'm using the gauge on an old Performance pump, that's a guesstimate.
    Wow. I find that pretty shocking. Maybe the wider rim makes it easier to pinch? I usually just drop pressures til I hit rims then add a little. For tech that ends up usually 27 front 30 rear. The DHF is allowing me to go significantly lower.
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    I was petty surprised myself. I didn't think it was a pinch until I had time to look at the tube more closely (it happened on a timed leg of our local enduro series), but I did take the time to feel inside the tire, because I figured something had punctured it.

    I ran Dissents around 20-22, but had to increase my pressures for Hans Dampfs. I dropped again with the Minions (not as low), but have bumped back up a little. 28F/32-34R is about where I am now.

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    Slowly, slowly getting my stuff together for my Prime build (time off the bike due to a decent injury as a result of an altercation with a truck has not helped).
    Need some help.
    What Chris King headset do I need?
    What fork should I get?
    I am a cheapskate and the $1200 price for the Pike has scared me off (especially with the Aussie $ the way it is currently).
    Next best option is the Fox?

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    The Pike isn't cheap but it is way better than all the other forks I have tried.

    Are you going 140mm or 150mm ?

    If not the pike the X Fusion is a good option.


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    Slowly, slowly getting my stuff together for my Prime build (time off the bike due to a decent injury as a result of an altercation with a truck has not helped).
    Need some help.
    What Chris King headset do I need?
    What fork should I get?
    I am a cheapskate and the $1200 price for the Pike has scared me off (especially with the Aussie $ the way it is currently).
    Next best option is the Fox?
    I have a 6 Berth Motorhome that I rent out . It is based in Tauranga, New Zealand

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    The Pike does look like a great fork...but I did not want to wait...and the X-Fusion was much cheaper so I picked that up. So far I have really been liking it:

    The Mountain Bike Life: X-Fusion Trace RL2 - Product Preview

    I came from a Marz 55 RC3 that was custom valved and so far really do not notice a ton of difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    The Pike isn't cheap but it is way better than all the other forks I have tried.

    Are you going 140mm or 150mm ?

    If not the pike the X Fusion is a good option.
    Thinking 150mm.

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    For CK headsets you will need the Inset 2.
    If not the Pike, then have a good look at xfusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudpuppy View Post
    The Pike does look like a great fork...but I did not want to wait...and the X-Fusion was much cheaper so I picked that up. So far I have really been liking it:

    The Mountain Bike Life: X-Fusion Trace RL2 - Product Preview

    I came from a Marz 55 RC3 that was custom valved and so far really do not notice a ton of difference.
    Thanks for the link.
    Will have a read tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinS View Post
    For CK headsets you will need the Inset 2.
    If not the Pike, then have a good look at xfusion.
    Cheers

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    If you must use CK Chris King I2 44/56 ZS Tapered Headset > Components > Headsets and Spacers > Headsets | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    Fork wise, agree with MP on the X-Fusion TRACE, most definitely a much cheaper options compared to RS and Fox and definitely a nice fork for the $$.
    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
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    Need some help.
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    I am a cheapskate and the $1200 price for the Pike has scared me off (especially with the Aussie $ the way it is currently).
    Next best option is the Fox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudpuppy View Post
    The Pike does look like a great fork...but I did not want to wait...and the X-Fusion was much cheaper so I picked that up. So far I have really been liking it:

    The Mountain Bike Life: X-Fusion Trace RL2 - Product Preview

    I came from a Marz 55 RC3 that was custom valved and so far really do not notice a ton of difference.
    Any good leads for wher eto buy one of these?

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    Prime suitable for swedish DH - check!
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    Hey guys, lots of good looking bikes here, here's my prime. New to the forum and banshee. Build came together and more bits coming day by day. Best bike I've ever ridden, handles everything, and crushes enduros like a champ. cheers
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    hey Boberinoe, that's a great photo. is this in Idaho as per your location? tell us more about your bike. also, if that's you in your personal profile next to the water with your bike, i most definitely am in love with you. if it's your girlfriend, well, i love her!

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    Really digging the Pike so far. Big rocky descent yesterday and the pike really shined.

    Also went to a wolftooth 30t stepped ring- Now running shimano 10spd chain and zee clutch derailuer with Sram 9spd shifters and cassette- working awesome! Quiet with no lower chainguide!

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    +1 on the Wolftooth ring, much more secure with the alternating tooth thickness. I see you did the same decal removals on your DT and rear triangle. I think it looks better that way.

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    FM, 10 sp chain works ok with a 9sp cassette? I can't remember, you're 1x, or 2x? I knew that you'd like the fork. Did you get the 46mm offset, or a 51?

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    Nevermind about the 1x question, I just went on the wolf tooth website. Brings to mind another question though. You do all of that climbing with a 30 tooth ring, no granny on the front?

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    It is a 51mm offset 150mm Pike I believe.

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    I'd love to ride both, back to back, to see if I made a mistake buying the 140mm 46. But, it rides so much nicer than it did with the Fox, if it was any better I'd have to pull off the trail and pleasure myself.

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    Just some info that some maybe keen to know.

    On my wife's bike, she has a sram 10speed shifter & rear derailieur & I have put a XX1 cassette on it & use the 1st 10 gears 42 through to 11, With wolftooth front ring & it works great.

    With the X01 cassette coming out next month that could be a good option for some with a 1x setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I'd love to ride both, back to back, to see if I made a mistake buying the 140mm 46. But, it rides so much nicer than it did with the Fox, if it was any better I'd have to pull off the trail and pleasure myself.
    That pretty much sums up my experiences with the Pike vs. Fox.

    That could be their new slogan... "Rockshox Pike: So good that if it was any better you'd have to pull off the trail and pleasure yourself"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    You do all of that climbing with a 30 tooth ring, no granny on the front?
    I do a lot of pushing

    Yesterday we pushed up 4600' in ~3 miles- a granny gear wouldn't have helped me at all!
    Generally what I've noticed is that walking is faster than pedaling with a gear easier than a 30f/36r. With my gearing I walk more often, but ride a little faster too, compared to my 2x days.

    Muzzanic, thats good to know on the xx1!

    Yes, I went with the 51mm offset, I gather the difference is pretty minimal vs. the 46mm.
    Have to agree the pike is pretty phenomenal. 5700' or rocky DH yesterday... great day to tune it in.

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    Muzzanic, it would be safe to assume that you had to use the XD freehub body, or is there a way around that.

    I've been doing a little looking at some e*thirteen TRS single ring cranks, interesting, and they have a 28 tooth chainring, for those of us who don't have a XX1 42 tooth cog.

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    I've had good success with my X0 cranks, can run down to a 27T last time I checked.

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    I'll have to look into that, Colin. The only cranks that I've ever used besides Shimano is Race Face, one time, and I didn't care for them. I've never really looked at the Sram stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I'll have to look into that, Colin. The only cranks that I've ever used besides Shimano is Race Face, one time, and I didn't care for them. I've never really looked at the Sram stuff.
    Wolftooth are also making 24 & 26 tooth Gxp chain rings in September

    They allreay do 28,30, 32,34 etc
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    While I really liked my SLX M665 crankset, Shimano was never in consideration for my Prime build. I was only looking at cranksets with removable spiders so that I preserved the option of a 1x drivetrain. I'm completely satisfied with X9, although I would have chosen X0 if I hadn't been watching my bottom line. The X9 bashring is pretty much cosmetic, though, and I replaced it with an e13 straight away. Single ring drive trains have gotten more viable since then, and I don't think I'd ever buy a crankset that doesn't have a removable spider. YMMV.

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    I feel you on the removable spider cranks. I've got a X9 and X0 as well. I really want to bling out my SB95c and get the turquoise SixC crank, but I don't want to go back to chainring bolts. Even though I do think you can run down to a 30T on the new Race Face narrow/wide rings.

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    Does anyone tried a RS Vivid Air? I'm not really satisfied with the Fox CTD shock on my Prime and thinking about the Vivid or the DB. On the DB I'm confused about the air can as the XV is recommended by the CaneCreek FitFinder, but the frames seem to be fitted with the normal air can?

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    Hi Guys,
    Ive been running the prime since January now and its been great ride. I am now however getting some squeeking noisies from the rear end and I think it might be time to replace the bearings, does anyone have a list of which to obtain or if there is a kit available. I looked on the UK distributors website and couldnt see anything listed for the V2 frames or an exploded diagram on the banshee website.
    Any info would be great.
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    Before changing bearings I'd check that everything was greased and tight. So dissassemble the pivots and grease the axles, rotate the inner race of the bearings by hand 240 degrees and reassemble to torque.

    The bearings should last a lot longer than 6 months (mine are 2 years old and still going strong) unless they have been contaminated.

    If you do need to replace the bearings then you need the following:

    Lower 2 pivots: 6001 2RS
    Upper 2 pivots: 608 2RS

    I recommend using INA quality bearings or equivalent.
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    Still collecting parts.
    Any other suggestions for blue headsets aside from King?
    Anything a little cheaper?

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    Thanks Keith, I will do as you suggested, living in yea old Wales Iíve put about 2000km on it in some truly awful conditions and itís just something that Iíve noticed in the last week. Of course it could be something like the DU bushings Iíll take it apart this weekend and have a bash, I still love riding it and gets me in and out of trouble all the time, its crazy how fast you can go with it. I wanted to take it on the Megavalanche but I wasnít quite happy with the fork for such a task. maybe Marz will bring out a 29er Ti coil, or perhaps thatís just wishful thinking!

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    Ha, yeah, I guess 2000km in Welsh mud is the equivalent of several years of riding in most places. Has been a while since I rode in wales, but the mud down there is certainly a bit different to scottish mud, seemed more gritty and less slippy to me. Fun times!

    Regarding forks... Dennis hear at banshee has been testing the new pikes and is very happy with them, and I personally can also recommend the Xfusion Trace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Still collecting parts.
    Any other suggestions for blue headsets aside from King?
    Anything a little cheaper?
    I think Cane Creek 110 series is available in blue. I have CC 40's in all my bikes, no complaints.

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