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    Hmmm... That Prime looks vaguely familiar.


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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread-0301141453.jpgProduction Prime Photo/Build thread-0301141530.jpgProduction Prime Photo/Build thread-0301141454a.jpgProduction Prime Photo/Build thread-0301141453a.jpgProduction Prime Photo/Build thread-0301141542a.jpgProduction Prime Photo/Build thread-0301141542.jpgProduction Prime Photo/Build thread-0301141452a.jpg


    As you can see from the suspension O-rings, it was a good ride

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    Hum looking nice, as usual. Is that a new hydration pack to match the grips or new grips to match the pack? If those are your regular trails, then I think I'd tend to agree, that like me the Phantom will be a good choice. As to the o-ring, going by what you used on the Pike compared to the DB, I'd say add 10-15 PSI to the Pike, if one of the two are going to use full travel, I'd rather it be the shock over the fork.
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    As you can see from the suspension O-rings, it was a good ride
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    Yeah, trying to decide if I need less in the shock or more in the fork. Sag is 25% on both, might need to put a token in the Pike.

    That's an access trail, so it's pretty tame, but still would be a great fit for a Phantom. That's the plan.

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    The grips are Turquoise from my Yeti, I thought it was a nice obnoxious touch. The pack is ENDURO blue, of course

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    I NEVER set fork SAG, only ever set shock SAG as it's very hard to get yourself up and balanced on the pedals where you need to be to set fork SAG. Also as you brake, your weight tends to be propelled forward and changes the whole weight balance making setting SAG on the fork not really accurate, I go by a rough bounce test of putting all my weight on the fork and pushing down, if I can get it to about 40% travel, then that's my starting point, I adjust from there. I'd think that unless you hit some drops on this ride, then the shock is good and the fork wants air so you have something left if you did come across a drop, if you happened to have hit a decent drop and landed nose heavy, then maybe the other way around, but I'm guessing what I said first.


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    Yeah, trying to decide if I need less in the shock or more in the fork. Sag is 25% on both, might need to put a token in the Pike.

    That's an access trail, so it's pretty tame, but still would be a great fit for a Phantom. That's the plan.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but proper Prime sag on the shock is 13mm. I set my shock right to the recommendation, and also my fork to RS recommended PSI for my riding weight. I then twiddle with the gizmos to get it to ride the way that I prefer. I am 205ish fully geared, have the HV can on my CC, rarely fully bottom the shock but I rarely go over 3' to flat, and occasionally bottom my fork but never can feel when I do. I may be a complete idiot where bike suspension setup is concerned, but my Strava times downhill through some of the nastiest AZ chunk indicate that I am doing something right. And it just "feels" right, and fast.

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    two tokens made a big improvement in my Pike. Before that it felt great, but occasionally let me down while cornering, like there wasn't enough mid stroke support. I had tried increasing compression damping but then the fork started spiking (spiky pike!). adding tokens created more midstroke support with less compression damping.

    As for sag, my experience is that sag is totally relative to how progressive your suspension is. 30% sag can be too much if your suspension is too linear, or not enough if it's super progressive.

    Riding style is a huge factor too. I know what works for my riding style, might not be optimal for anyone else. I generally prefer suspension that rides firm and progressive with minimal compression damping and moderately fast rebound, so it's active but efficient and only uses full travel when I'm in trouble!

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    I had no complaints on the ride yesterday. Might tweak some here and there, but overall I was very pleased.

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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread

    From my ride today. I thought I would post a pic that actually has mountains in it instead of the usual "propped against a tree" look.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post

    That's an access trail, so it's pretty tame, but still would be a great fit for a Phantom. That's the plan.
    Phantom? Is this something I should know about?
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    Phantom? Is this something I should know about?
    Not sure how relevant it will be to you, but:
    Let's speculate about the new Banshee 29er!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Not sure how relevant it will be to you, but:
    Let's speculate about the new Banshee 29er!

    Actually extremely relevant. I think the Prime is a whole lotta bike for most things.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Actually extremely relevant. I think the Prime is a whole lotta bike for most things.

    Thanks.
    Word. That's the reason I moved away from the Lenz. Looking forward to a no compromises(slackish geo, 150mm rear hub, piggyback shock) short travel trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Word. That's the reason I moved away from the Lenz. Looking forward to a no compromises(slackish geo, 150mm rear hub, piggyback shock) short travel trail bike.
    So wait, you no longer have the "best ever" punkass Behemoth?
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    That is correct, built up the yellow prime with it's remains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    That is correct, built up the yellow prime with it's remains.
    A bit confused: They are essentially the same travel? Prime is lower and a lot longer (and heavier).
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    Adding photos because bored photo cred all to Mikesee:























    And, yes, I would be just peachy with a 100mm bike for that stuff.
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    In regards to redundancy, I found a great deal on a brand new Prime frame in my favorite color so I took the leap. Moving down from a size large to a medium this time around makes a big difference as well in the right direction.

    So I figured I'd ride the Prime until the Phantom becomes available and transfer all the parts over, sans fork/shock.

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    Nice stuff Enel, love that rock crawlin Did you make that move in the 2nd pic, looks awfully big and tall? Very surprised you hadn't heard about the Phantom until now, very surprised.
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    Nice stuff Enel, love that rock crawlin Did you make that move in the 2nd pic, looks awfully big and tall? Very surprised you hadn't heard about the Phantom until now, very surprised.
    Yes. I do it regularly on the Jones as well. Just takes some commitment. I have also wrecked on it.

    In retrospect I had heard about the phantom, but it was so long ago I had forgotten about it
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    Sweet. Yeah, it's one of those commit or eat it type moves I guessed, just no experience with slickrock, so no idea of the amount of grip. Is it a straight up, pedal at it, pop the front and keep pedaling type moves or pedal, pop the front and throw the bike up? Video of the move would be very cool.
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    Yes. I do it regularly on the Jones as well. Just takes some commitment. I have also wrecked on it.

    In retrospect I had heard about the phantom, but it was so long ago I had forgotten about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Sweet. Yeah, it's one of those commit or eat it type moves I guessed, just no experience with slickrock, so no idea of the amount of grip. Is it a straight up, pedal at it, pop the front and keep pedaling type moves or pedal, pop the front and throw the bike up? Video of the move would be very cool.
    It is a timing move. you have all your speed to clear it before entering. Here is an old video on the FSR, and it looks like the move was easier back then.

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    Here is a similar, steeper up on the Jones.


    Momentum plus timing. No trials skills needed.

    As an aside: these moves are very stressful to the frame and it was a similar move that eventually broke my Milk Money in half.
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