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    Hi Guys,
    Loving the reviews! please keep your ride thoughts coming, pics and vids if you got them

    I have a medium Prime coming soon, and I am really looking forward to it!

    Currently riding a Medium NomadC around with 66's on it and its a bit of a handful for my neck of the woods, so I am hoping the Prime will make a better all day ride, for our little trails around south Wales

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    Not sure what stay clearance is like on the Nomad, but for sure that's something you'll love about the Prime; room enough for 2.4" Ardent and still loads of room for mud and muck. FYI, I just measured my pre-production chain and seat stays yesterday 83 & 86mm wide Oh and you'll love the general feel and ride of it as well, great all rounder , especially if you're biased to the bigger DHs.
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    Hi Guys,
    Loving the reviews! please keep your ride thoughts coming, pics and vids if you got them

    I have a medium Prime coming soon, and I am really looking forward to it!

    Currently riding a Medium NomadC around with 66's on it and its a bit of a handful for my neck of the woods, so I am hoping the Prime will make a better all day ride, for our little trails around south Wales
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    I won't bore you guys with what I'll be doing tonight. Pictures soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I won't bore you guys with what I'll be doing tonight. Pictures soon.
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    Fall weather/ riding! What could be better?!



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    At midnight I realized that I didn't have the little end cover thingies for my cables, so I called it a night. I'll finish it today. I'll tell you what though, I have my KS LEV right at the minimum insertion line to get the extension that I ride, may have to violate it just a bit.

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    [QUOTE=Optimus;9820767I'll tell you what though, I have my KS LEV right at the minimum insertion line to get the extension that I ride, may have to violate it just a bit.[/QUOTE]

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    Kind of a crappy pic, better ones to follow. But anyway, taddah!!
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    Congrats!
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    Just finished shortening the hoses, back was a breeze, front was a real pita. Going out to wrap my chain stay, maiden voyage in the morning.

    Banshee peoples- very nice quality. Appearance and finish are excellent, welds are very nice, all mechanical features smooth and free, trouble free assembly. This is my second Banshee frame, and I am very pleased to this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Just finished shortening the hoses, back was a breeze, front was a real pita. Going out to wrap my chain stay, maiden voyage in the morning.

    Banshee peoples- very nice quality. Appearance and finish are excellent, welds are very nice, all mechanical features smooth and free, trouble free assembly. This is my second Banshee frame, and I am very pleased to this point.
    Much easier when the frame isn't built up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Much easier when the frame isn't built up.
    5 minute job regardless, ready to rock and roll.

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    5 hour shake down cruise this morning.

    Initially, it felt tall, felt firm. As I got warmed up to it and started to understand how it likes to work, I started to like the firmness for general purpose trail pedalling. I played around with the CTD settings, I used T for everything except downhill chunky. I'm sure that once the suspensions breaks in it will feel a bit softer. One of my biggest complaints with my Firebird has always been that it's overly plush for my liking, so the Prime is fine. Down hill, through the chunk, shock on D, this bike rips. All thoughts of firm went away, I hammered thru all kinds of rock and drops of 2 foot or so and the Prime gobbled it all up. In places where I normally slow down and pick my way thru, I just leaned back a bit and stayed off the brakes, this bike held it's line superbly and plowed through with complete confidence. I even found myself taking new lines simply because I knew this beast would eat it up. In a nut shell, I LIKE IT!!!

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    I'm 6' tall, I have absolutely no doubts after today that for my terrain and riding desires a Medium was the way to go. Although, my KS is right at the minimum insertion line. Also, I normally ride Specialized LoPro2 pedals, the Saints have a bigger platform and I like them better.
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    Glad to hear that you made the right decision on the frame size! Looks great.
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    Sweet Optimus! That build is looking very clean. So its a SOMO shredder and did you climb up Natty? Bring it up to Ptown for some Dells fun.
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    No National today helimech, I wanted to get a good feel for the handling before I go up for a serious thrashing. I did though take it on Corona de Loma and Beverly Canyon, which both have some fairly fast and chunky descents, not to mention some challenging climbs. Didn't take long though to get comfortable on it and really let it rip. Probably National next weekend, maybe the following weekend I can make it up your way, on the 10th.

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    Optimus, looks great, very nice, solid build, even with a dropper post 2.5lbs lighter than mine. When you get out with some riding buddies and get to snap some pics, don't forget to post them up, especially curious to see a side shot of you on the bike - still can't picture someone only 2.25" shorter than me on a Medium and not Large.
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    LyNx, I shot some video today, as soon as I get that edited I'll post it up.

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    I apologize for the crappy quality, this came from a 4 megapixel camera from back when 4 megapixel was top of the line. Can you even get 4 meg anymore?

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    Looks great Optimus!
    That's a 5" Lev yes? Looks proportional to me. Nice to know you could run a 6" dropper if/when they come available

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Just finished shortening the hoses, back was a breeze, front was a real pita. Going out to wrap my chain stay, maiden voyage in the morning.

    Banshee peoples- very nice quality. Appearance and finish are excellent, welds are very nice, all mechanical features smooth and free, trouble free assembly. This is my second Banshee frame, and I am very pleased to this point.
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    Put some clear tape to protect the swingarm where cables/hoses go over/near the top pivot point, most of cable rub happens there.

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    There is actually a secret cable guide in that area!

    see below.... you can run a ziptie around the swingarm vert support, run it just above the gusset on the backside, which keeps it in place. The ziptie can't slide upwards, since the support gets wider....

    One of the things I love about the prime is the clean full length cables (no sharp bends!) and the ability to run a good fender. Ive got this simple DIY one that goes all the way up from the BB, and still clears a 2.4 tire packed with mud.
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    In the 8 months I've had mine I can't say as I've noticed any actual abrasion to the frame from cable rub and I've been riding it in some pretty nasty conditions, probably about 700-800 miles so far on mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    In the 8 months I've had mine I can't say as I've noticed any actual abrasion to the frame from cable rub and I've been riding it in some pretty nasty conditions, probably about 700-800 miles so far on mine.
    Might have some clear coat missing there then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    No National today helimech, I wanted to get a good feel for the handling before I go up for a serious thrashing. I did though take it on Corona de Loma and Beverly Canyon, which both have some fairly fast and chunky descents, not to mention some challenging climbs. Didn't take long though to get comfortable on it and really let it rip. Probably National next weekend, maybe the following weekend I can make it up your way, on the 10th.
    I'll note the 10th in my calendar. But, there is talk of a goatcamp romp that sat. You should try the prime on on this romp . Will keep ya posted. I want my V2 now .
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    There is actually a secret cable guide in that area!

    see below.... you can run a ziptie around the swingarm vert support, run it just above the gusset on the backside, which keeps it in place. The ziptie can't slide upwards, since the support gets wider....
    That's pretty much what I did...except I put my ziptie below the horizontal support (on the vertical still tho), and added another small looping ziptie that contains the brake/ der. cable with some range of motion added


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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    I'll note the 10th in my calendar. But, there is talk of a goatcamp romp that sat. You should try the prime on on this romp . Will keep ya posted. I want my V2 now .
    If you're meaning Goat Camp in the White Tanks, I had my a$$ handed to me big time there about 2 years ago. I'll have a nice crease in my left quad forever where the muscle will never grow back right. Went OTB over a drop and onto some rocks, bad. Walked and coasted down, but took a while to heal. Yeah, maybe.

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    I did that last night, on a feature I've ridden dozens of times, if not hundreds. Sometimes you get stupid, I guess. I was just taking the dog out for a quick lap on the mountain across the street, so was still in street clothes. Landing on your knee without pads when you've gotten used to wearing them is painful. My knee is pretty stiff and swollen, and I jacked my shoulder up a bit, although I didn't actually separate it.
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    LyNx, here is the side shot that you requested. I had my wife snap it quick out front as I was putting my gear away from a ride yesterday morning.

    Speaking of riding yesterday morning, I've been out on the Prime twice, and I've taken it of coarse to places that I ride regularly to get a feel for it. I know that you all said that the Prime climbs great, but I am still shocked by how well it actually does. You would think that with the hta, sta, and the fact that this bike is light in the front, that it would be tough to control on the ups. I find that it takes very little effort to keep the front down, and as long as I've got legs, it'll dig in and claw its way up. It climbs substantially better than my Paradox, and I think that the Paradox climbs great. Downhill, oh boy!! This bike comfortably goes WAY too fast through soccer ball sized chunk, does 2 ft drops like they're not even there, and inspires huge confidence that it WILL get you through whatever lies ahead. One thing that I find kind of ironic, when you're just pedaling down the trail, you have no indication that you're on a monster.

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    Oops, forgot to attach the pic.
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    Glad to hear you're loving the Prime and finding out exactly what I did in comparison to the Paradox. Our proportions look quite similar, but I could never ride a bike that small, might squeeze on a L, but no way a Medium. Looking at your pic your back is very rounded and not flat, something I've found I do if I'm on a too small bike and feel cramped.

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    LyNx, here is the side shot that you requested. I had my wife snap it quick out front as I was putting my gear away from a ride yesterday morning.

    Speaking of riding yesterday morning, I've been out on the Prime twice, and I've taken it of coarse to places that I ride regularly to get a feel for it. I know that you all said that the Prime climbs great, but I am still shocked by how well it actually does. You would think that with the hta, sta, and the fact that this bike is light in the front, that it would be tough to control on the ups. I find that it takes very little effort to keep the front down, and as long as I've got legs, it'll dig in and claw its way up. It climbs substantially better than my Paradox, and I think that the Paradox climbs great. Downhill, oh boy!! This bike comfortably goes WAY too fast through soccer ball sized chunk, does 2 ft drops like they're not even there, and inspires huge confidence that it WILL get you through whatever lies ahead. One thing that I find kind of ironic, when you're just pedaling down the trail, you have no indication that you're on a monster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Looking at your pic your back is very rounded and not flat, something I've found I do if I'm on a too small bike and feel cramped.
    I've got pics and camelbakless vids somewhere on my L Firebird, L Paradox, and L El Mariachi all with the same rounded back. I think it's just me. If I get too stretched out, my neck gets really sore and I get killer headaches.

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    Yeah, I think your reach looks about spot-on for this type of bike.
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    On average my bikes are 8cm shorter in reach than they were in the 90's (not to date myself ). Trails have also gotten steeper and more technical and my priorities have changed- but the rides have only gotten longer


    It's partially a compromise, smaller bikes generally handle better. Traditional "road" rules of fit prioritize pedaling efficiency over handling. Lots of riders do big climbs and long rides on smaller fitting bikes, it just requires more core strength since you can't just "lean on the bars and pedal".

    Optimus, your fit looks great to me.
    I actually feel that my medium proto is just a bit longer than I would like, I offered that feedback to Keith and I am pleased to see the production frames are slightly tighter fitting.

    Also of interest... my med. canfield yelli screamy was listed as a 23.75" TT, but actually felt smaller than the med. prime. Numbers don't tell the whole story!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Also of interest... my med. canfield yelli screamy was listed as a 23.75" TT, but actually felt smaller than the med. prime. Numbers don't tell the whole story!
    I've noticed the same thing with mine, both larges. ETT is 0.5" longer on my Yelli.
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    Yeah, my Prime "feels" good. Interesting about numbers, you guys know that I analyzed the crap out of this frame size. My math indicated that a 50mm stem on my Prime should provide a cockpit very close to my Paradox with a 70mm. I put the Prime together with a 50mm, got to the end of the driveway, went right back into the garage and put the 70mm from my Paradox on it, perfect.

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    Leafy fall goodness!



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    A non-black bike from you just looks odd.

    We've had a great week of consistently tacky trails, and I've been making the most of it while it lasts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    LyNx, here is the side shot that you requested. I had my wife snap it quick out front as I was putting my gear away from a ride yesterday morning.

    Speaking of riding yesterday morning, I've been out on the Prime twice, and I've taken it of coarse to places that I ride regularly to get a feel for it. I know that you all said that the Prime climbs great, but I am still shocked by how well it actually does. You would think that with the hta, sta, and the fact that this bike is light in the front, that it would be tough to control on the ups. I find that it takes very little effort to keep the front down, and as long as I've got legs, it'll dig in and claw its way up. It climbs substantially better than my Paradox, and I think that the Paradox climbs great. Downhill, oh boy!! This bike comfortably goes WAY too fast through soccer ball sized chunk, does 2 ft drops like they're not even there, and inspires huge confidence that it WILL get you through whatever lies ahead. One thing that I find kind of ironic, when you're just pedaling down the trail, you have no indication that you're on a monster.
    So... weekend ride reports? I assume you didn't waste the weekend on a bunch of household chores. JNC?
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    I have had several rides in the slackest setting at this point, and decided to try the steepest for a couple rides this weekend. It definitely feels like a different bike in the steepest setting...more xc/trail-ish than the more trail/AM orientation. I guess if I was going to use it more for xc riding it would be ok...but still a heavy xc bike. I am hoping to get out again today and try the middle setting, but suspect I will likely leave it in the slackest for the majority of my riding.

    I am enjoying the bike thus far...the fit is spot on for me! I have to admit I am pretty underwhelmed by the fox CTD shock. It just seems a bit more harsh than the pushed Monarch on the Sultan. I can't keep the thought of adding an Avalanche Chubie out of my head...I may just have to splurge to find true nirvana


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    I have had several rides in the slackest setting at this point, and decided to try the steepest for a couple rides this weekend. It definitely feels like a different bike in the steepest setting...more xc/trail-ish than the more trail/AM orientation. I guess if I was going to use it more for xc riding it would be ok...but still a heavy xc bike. I am hoping to get out again today and try the middle setting, but suspect I will likely leave it in the slackest for the majority of my riding.

    I am enjoying the bike thus far...the fit is spot on for me! I have to admit I am pretty underwhelmed by the fox CTD shock. It just seems a bit more harsh than the pushed Monarch on the Sultan. I can't keep the thought of adding an Avalanche Chubie out of my head...I may just have to splurge to find true nirvana
    My frame is getting shipped... i'm thinking of Vivid Air... mmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    I am pretty underwhelmed by the fox CTD shock.
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    After a minor saddle adjustment, it is the identical setup to my HT Stickle. In fact, it truly rides like the FS version of such! Enjoying the fall flow!


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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    So... weekend ride reports?
    Went out to do some climbing Saturday morning, felt kind of strung out from a long work week, didn't climb particularly well. Found one of my favorite close to home drops to bomb, did pretty good. Went back out Saturday night to try out my new lights, rode extremely well, ripped down another favorite at 10:30 at night in the same exact time as my best ever run in the day light. I really do feel that the Prime is a superb climber, especially for being 33 lbs, but every time that I point it down hill it simply amazes me. It easily handles all of the chunk and drops and turns that I have balls enough to throw it into. I like it full slack, it's fast and stable and reassuring. I'm going to get hurt, I just know it.

    This is my Saturday morning downhill. I think you guys have seen this trail, but never from my Prime, drops 235 ft in .3 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Also of interest... my med. canfield yelli screamy was listed as a 23.75" TT, but actually felt smaller than the med. prime. Numbers don't tell the whole story!
    I couldn't figure out why the eff. TT on the Prime looked so short until I saw the eff. seat angle of 75deg~76deg. Banshee must be measuring the angle from BB to the centre of the top of the real seat tube. Canfield's Yelli, on the other hand, the "effective"(virtual?) seat angle is taken from the hypothetical position of where the saddle would be. Measuring a Yelli the way Banshee does it for the Prime gives, on a medium Yelli, a seat angle of 75.4deg and an ETT of 575mm/22.7in... which is indeed just a teeny bit shorter than a Prime in a medium...
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    We measure the effective top tube length and seat angle the officially recognised way.

    So ETT is top dead center of the headtube horizontally to the center of the seatpost at that height.

    Seat Angle is the angle between the horizontal plane and the line between the BB and the center point of seatpost horizontal to top dead center of head tube (ETT line).
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    Anyone have/looking to sell a Butcher tire or a pair? If so, PM me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    We measure the effective top tube length and seat angle the officially recognised way.

    So ETT is top dead center of the headtube horizontally to the center of the seatpost at that height.

    Seat Angle is the angle between the horizontal plane and the line between the BB and the center point of seatpost horizontal to top dead center of head tube (ETT line).

    And all this discussion is another point proving that ETT is a useless value to indicate fit with the modern (bent and offset) seatubes.

    Reach and Stack are the value that matters !
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    Hey Prime owners, I'd love to see pics of your homebrew mudguards for some inspiration.

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    Any more new builds floating out there in the wild? Seems like mine will be a few more months away need some pics to keep me going!

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