• 10-20-2012
    jncarpenter
    ...but they're listed as 2.3"? The Purg is a 2.4". Are they worth the loss of volume?
  • 10-20-2012
    Optimus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    ...but they're listed as 2.3"? The Purg is a 2.4". Are they worth the loss of volume?

    They are to me. I also run a 2.3 Butcher on the front of my 26er. I hammer through loads of nasty rock and have never really thought that they should be fatter. I think that the little heavier sidewall/casing makes up for a bit of the loss of volume.
  • 10-20-2012
    Optimus
    Just did a quick measure, on Flows, 2.3 Butcher is only .6mm or .025" narrower than the 2.4 Purg, radially from the bead to the outside diameter the Butcher is only .4mm or .015" shorter. Not much change in volume after all.
  • 10-20-2012
    MartinS
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I'm not seeing any chain guide, jnc, but I won't argue that I could be blind. I'll be interested in hearing any chain drop issues during the flogging. I haven't decided on any chain guide yet, I plan to ride a bit and see if hopefully I can get away with just a stinger.

    I don't think chain dropping hasn't been an issue with the proto's, no prob's personally with a double/bash set-up and an XT GS cage. I have just switched to an XT Shadow+ and it only gets quieter...
  • 10-21-2012
    LyNx
    JNC, is the post in "mock up" position or is that the actual height you run your saddle? Curious, as if that is the height you run interested to hear how it climbs the steeps with what looks like the bar quite a bit higher than the saddle.

    chain dropping - I had not much issues running a 2X setup without FD for a couple months, chain dropped a few times, had to watch not to pedal while taking a hard hit to the suspension but once I got the FD, not a drop since. Did have some chain suck issues, mostly when the drive-train was very dirty and we'd be in a lot of mud AND when I was double shifting, i.e. shifting both the front (to the granny) and rear at the same time - only happened a few times, but could also be my rings which aren't new.

    Muzz, I really, honestly hope Banshee never does step into that realm, I do not trust carbon for the type of riding this bike is intended for or the rocks we have here that I love so, just don't have the $$ if I wrecked on them and scratched it up, too easy to compromise the integrity. 1.5lbs dropped from the pre-production is a load and I'm accustomed to riding XL frames and paying that slight weight penalty, plus as I work my way back towards decent fitness it gets lighter and lighter :D
  • 10-21-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    JNC, is the post in "mock up" position or is that the actual height you run your saddle? Curious, as if that is the height you run interested to hear how it climbs the steeps with what looks like the bar quite a bit higher than the saddle.

    No...it was just slammed after a neighborhood play session :D
  • 10-21-2012
    LyNx
    :D LMAO :D I must say, there was a very wide range of people testing the Prime, but I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it since you're someone who's "familiar" to me and the variety and amount of bikes you've been through since I joined here 8 years ago is, well, to be honest astounding :D

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    No...it was just slammed after a neighborhood play session :D

  • 10-21-2012
    jncarpenter
    1 Ride down...time to reflect! ;) :D

  • 10-21-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Once I swap my big ring for a bash guard, pretty much mandatory for where I ride, I always swap to a medium cage. Never tried a short with 2 chain rings. Speaking of Hammerschmidts, I had half a crazy thought of building a Hammerschmidt dinglespeed.

    Been there...;)
  • 10-21-2012
    muzzanic
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Muzz, I really, honestly hope Banshee never does step into that realm, I do not trust carbon for the type of riding this bike is intended for or the rocks we have here that I love so, just don't have the $$ if I wrecked on them and scratched it up, too easy to compromise the integrity. 1.5lbs dropped from the pre-production is a load and I'm accustomed to riding XL frames and paying that slight weight penalty, plus as I work my way back towards decent fitness it gets lighter and lighter :D

    It's all about how it's built, We ran carbon fibre guard on the rally cars with rocks hitting them at upto 140 MPH & they were in far better shape than what the tin ones used to be.

    But yes the under side of the down tube would need to be built strong.
  • 10-21-2012
    FM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Muzz, I really, honestly hope Banshee never does step into that realm, I do not trust carbon for the type of riding this bike is intended for

    Carbon is the real deal. I've got many friends riding carbon nomads, I've gone to carbon rims and got a carbon road bike this year..stiff, light and quiet. I also suspect it's easier to manufacture to tight tolerances with carbon. Manufacturing has progressed to a point where there are very few reasons not to do it....
  • 10-21-2012
    MartinS
    Carbon is also pretty easy and reasonable to repair. I've got an old friend that works at Robert's Composites in Vancouver ( :: roberts composites :: ) and he says it is just as strong (in some cases much stronger depending on frame quality) as before the failure, and cheaper than repairing Al.
    That being said, there are a few big brands who's carbon bikes I wouldn't go near from the stories I've heard from him...
  • 10-21-2012
    LyNx
    Well, don't know about "tin", but my weight weenie brother trying to save weight on his "Mazda3" rally car used a Kevlar/Carbon mixed sump and side panel guards, but they looked beat to hell after a few gravel runs with how the front tyres threw rocks at them. Def were lighter, but didn't hold up nearly as well as checker plate alu.

    I've had a rock about 1/2 the size of a rugby ball kicked up on an alu frame and hit the frame where there were bearings and it dented it real good, if that was carbon I'd not have ridden that bike again without worrying if it would fail.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    It's all about how it's built, We ran carbon fibre guard on the rally cars with rocks hitting them at upto 140 MPH & they were in far better shape than what the tin ones used to be.

    But yes the under side of the down tube would need to be built strong.

  • 10-21-2012
    Optimus
    In a previous life, I worked as a Tool & Die Maker for General Motors in their steering plant. We experimented with some prototype carbon fiber tie rod ends, but ended up going with steel instead. But then again, that was almost 15 years ago.
  • 10-21-2012
    G_g
    It is about time someone gets to use Z-pin reinforced composites in the MTB industry. Problem might be the cost...

    I mean, good engineered carbon will be stronger than aluminium with the same weight, or as strong as, but lighter. It just requires more effort to design and produce, and with that costs increase (not even talking about the materials).

    When someone decides to use composites that can withstand the flying rocks and all that stuff falling on rocks damage (read Z-pins, big tough kevlar layers or whatever solution they find), then the majority will realise that carbon can withstand damage. I think most people don't want to pay the price that this would imply any ways, so there should be little market (because it would end up more expensive and heavier).

    Rant over, as I am not expecting to see a prime carbon in my roster soon. (i would buy if it was available, and with the same burly and stiff mentality banshee has costumed us with
  • 10-22-2012
    evasive
    RE: chainguides. I've dropped my chain maybe half a dozen times since March. I have an e-13 DRS sitting on the bench in my friend's shop (need to put it on the drill press and adjust the alignment with the proto frame's tabs) but it hasn't been enough of an issue for me to worry about it. (2x10, mid-length RD)

    Putting it in perspective, that's almost the number of times a rock has gotten caught between my front derailleur's body and cage, 'locking out' my granny ring. I don't worry about that too much, either.
  • 10-22-2012
    evasive
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    They are to me. I also run a 2.3 Butcher on the front of my 26er. I hammer through loads of nasty rock and have never really thought that they should be fatter. I think that the little heavier sidewall/casing makes up for a bit of the loss of volume.

    I saw one on a shop floor on my recent road trip. I also saw one of the new batch Minion protos. Granted I didn't see them side-by-side, but the knobs on the Minion looked huge, and the Butcher not so much. I was a little disappointed, actually. However, given the relatively cheap price of Spec rubber, I may buy a pair with an eye towards them ending up on my Yelli.

    Unfortunately for me, gas prices spiked during my 3,000-mile drive, so since I don't have any immediate need for new tires I won't be buying any until spring.
  • 10-22-2012
    Optimus
    Oh, I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for the Minion, but for bang for the buck it's hard to beat Specialized tires, IMO. :)
  • 10-22-2012
    FM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Oh, I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for the Minion, but for bang for the buck it's hard to beat Specialized tires, IMO. :)

    I switched from Purgatories to Schwalbes this summer (hans dampf/NN). We went like 60 days without rain so I haven't had the schwalbes in proper mud yet, but for dry conditions I liked the purgatories much better.
  • 10-23-2012
    Optimus
    Ooh boy, ooh boy, frame should be here Thursday. :D
  • 10-23-2012
    Crash-VR
    Hello, I'm new here, but not to mountain biking. I currently have a Pivot 429 and I'm thinking of selling it to get the Prime. How well does the Prime pedal/climb. I live and ride in New Mexico and its not uncommon to do 3-4 hour technical climbs for our descents. The Pivot excels at the climbs but suffers on the way back down. Would the Prime climb well enough to be worth it?
  • 10-23-2012
    eurospek
    Can't wait to see some yellow Prime builds. So stoked on this color selection by Banshee for it.

  • 10-23-2012
    evasive
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    Hello, I'm new here, but not to mountain biking. I currently have a Pivot 429 and I'm thinking of selling it to get the Prime. How well does the Prime pedal/climb. I live and ride in New Mexico and its not uncommon to do 3-4 hour technical climbs for our descents. The Pivot excels at the climbs but suffers on the way back down. Would the Prime climb well enough to be worth it?

    Based on my proto, absolutely. It won't sprint up like a XC bike (not the way I built mine, anyway), but it's a capable climber. Our big alpine climbs go that long although they aren't necessarily that technical, and the Prime climbs nicely. I was a little uncertain about climbing in desert chunk since the BB is lower than what I'd ridden before, but a week in Moab and Grand Junction put that fear to rest.

    The production frames probably climb a little easier with the weight loss and suspension tweaks.
  • 10-23-2012
    MartinS
    Yup, I agree with evasive. It is a capable climber, as long as your legs last it will keep traction. The big bonus is on the dh's, it would leave the 429 in the dust, way more plush and stable.
  • 10-23-2012
    Crash-VR
    Thanks, that's what I thought. I do like to sprint certain rough sections out of the saddle. Decisions... Decisions... Angle Fire does have lift access to some crazy good trails though...
  • 10-23-2012
    disjointed
    Will those that have ridden the Turner Sultan (dw-link) compare it to the Prime?
  • 10-23-2012
    evasive
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    Thanks, that's what I thought. I do like to sprint certain rough sections out of the saddle

    Oh, so do I, although I'm not enough of a gazelle to keep it up too long.
  • 10-23-2012
    evasive
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by disjointed View Post
    Will those that have ridden the Turner Sultan (dw-link) compare it to the Prime?

    I don't have much time on a Sultan, just a demo ride. My take is that although there's only 10mm difference in travel, one is a trail bike and the other is an AM bike. Both nice bikes, but in different categories, IMO.
  • 10-23-2012
    eurospek
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  • 10-23-2012
    LyNx
    Have to agree with Evasive and MartinS, Prime climbs unreal, once you have the legs to keep it going, but that seems to feel lesser/less effort the more tech it gets and the more the suspension comes into play and you have to be moving about the cockpit clearing the climb. Love to climb myself, the more tech the better. Think the little diet Keith put the production version on should also help nicely on long climbs.

    If you're wanting something that'll kill the downs and still kill the climbs, def the Prime, but as Evasive said, not an XC light bike, so legs will get work, but it's efficient.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    Hello, I'm new here, but not to mountain biking. I currently have a Pivot 429 and I'm thinking of selling it to get the Prime. How well does the Prime pedal/climb. I live and ride in New Mexico and its not uncommon to do 3-4 hour technical climbs for our descents. The Pivot excels at the climbs but suffers on the way back down. Would the Prime climb well enough to be worth it?

  • 10-24-2012
    sakucee
    I had no problems grinding up +30min fire road grinds on Dolomites, with 28t front ring and 36 cassette, on downs kept up with 160mm trail bikes, all good. :)
  • 10-24-2012
    Crash-VR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Have to agree with Evasive and MartinS, Prime climbs unreal, once you have the legs to keep it going, but that seems to feel lesser/less effort the more tech it gets and the more the suspension comes into play and you have to be moving about the cockpit clearing the climb. Love to climb myself, the more tech the better. Think the little diet Keith put the production version on should also help nicely on long climbs.

    If you're wanting something that'll kill the downs and still kill the climbs, def the Prime, but as Evasive said, not an XC light bike, so legs will get work, but it's efficient.

    Sounds good to me. My Pivot must be 30ish lbs anyway. You can just really hammer on it out of the saddle and it launches up hills. When things start going down though that 72degree head angle keeps things a little sketchy... I'm 6'4" 200 lbs with a 34" inseam and love a slack bike. I grew up on dirt bikes so I'm always launching off of everything. The pivot just jumps a little weird, but 29" wheels on an XL bike does feel like I finally found a bike that fits. The Prime is just the first one I've seen that is set up like I would have a 26er.
    To me XL 26ers just look wrong. Very ill proportioned.
  • 10-24-2012
    LyNx
    I know the feeling and my friends comment to me the first time he saw me on my first 29er always sticks with me, "Hey Lynx, you finally have a bike your size, if they were to scale up my bike to the right size for you, that'd be it". Attached a pic of me and "The Beast" , more can be found here :D

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    Sounds good to me. My Pivot must be 30ish lbs anyway. You can just really hammer on it out of the saddle and it launches up hills. When things start going down though that 72degree head angle keeps things a little sketchy... I'm 6'4" 200 lbs with a 34" inseam and love a slack bike. I grew up on dirt bikes so I'm always launching off of everything. The pivot just jumps a little weird, but 29" wheels on an XL bike does feel like I finally found a bike that fits. The Prime is just the first one I've seen that is set up like I would have a 26er.
    To me XL 26ers just look wrong. Very ill proportioned.

  • 10-24-2012
    MartinS
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    Sounds good to me. My Pivot must be 30ish lbs anyway. You can just really hammer on it out of the saddle and it launches up hills. When things start going down though that 72degree head angle keeps things a little sketchy... I'm 6'4" 200 lbs with a 34" inseam and love a slack bike. I grew up on dirt bikes so I'm always launching off of everything. The pivot just jumps a little weird, but 29" wheels on an XL bike does feel like I finally found a bike that fits. The Prime is just the first one I've seen that is set up like I would have a 26er.
    To me XL 26ers just look wrong. Very ill proportioned.

    Sounds like you are my clone, dimensionally speaking...
    Although I still love my 26er!
    A 72 HA sounds ridiculous to me, maybe that is why I wasn't overly enthusiastic about the 429 when I tried one.
  • 10-25-2012
    Crash-VR
    Has anyone been able to compare the Prime to a Yeti SB95? They actually seem like the most comparable of the AM 29ers at the moment...
  • 10-25-2012
    evasive
    Short answer- the Prime is much stiffer.

    I rode one for ~30 minutes at Outerbike. Despite being a 29er guy, I preferred the coil-sprung SB66. I thought I'd really like the SB95 but I didn't. I liked the Tallboy LTc much more. Great thing about demos...

    IMO the AM 29er class is still small: WFO9, Lunchbox, maybe the Tracer29, the Prime, and soon the Covert 29. There are some major differences between those frames, but I don't think anything else is as burly, which to me is the major difference between trail and AM in the 29er world where suspension travel is more limited. I see a trail bike as something I would ride if I had more rolling terrain, but here we do big climbs for big descents. Whether you agree or find that useful is your call, however. Opinions on this vary widely.
  • 10-25-2012
    Crash-VR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Short answer- the Prime is much stiffer.

    I rode one for ~30 minutes at Outerbike. Despite being a 29er guy, I preferred the coil-sprung SB66. I thought I'd really like the SB95 but I didn't. I liked the Tallboy LTc much more. Great thing about demos...

    IMO the AM 29er class is still small: WFO9, Lunchbox, maybe the Tracer29, the Prime, and soon the Covert 29. There are some major differences between those frames, but I don't think anything else is as burly, which to me is the major difference between trail and AM in the 29er world where suspension travel is more limited. I see a trail bike as something I would ride if I had more rolling terrain, but here we do big climbs for big descents. Whether you agree or find that useful is your call, however. Opinions on this vary widely.

    I have rolling terrain in my back yard, but do big climbs for big descents on a regular basis. I have it narrowed down to the SB66c, Prime, and Turner Burner... It's a great time to be a mountain biker, but there are some hard decisions when it comes to bike choice...
  • 10-25-2012
    DFYFZX
    I had a Sultan this past season and it's a great bike. I actually kept it around to make sure I'd like the Prime THAT much before I sold it;)

    My opinion on the Sultan versus Prime is, the Prime is more "ME". I like chunk. 3-4' drops, rocky descents, etc. I never worried about the Sultan breaking on me but it wasn't made exclusively for Whistler type conditions. The Sultan can take a ton of abuse but the geometry wasn't designed for it. The Prime IS an all mountain/light downhill bike and you can tell. The geometry and stiffness scream for MOAR the second you jump on it! The thing is so easy to manual, pop off small trail obstacles, taking rocky chutes in non-advisable speeds... Just a blast!

    Here's a +/- comparo:

    Stiffness: Prime
    Flickability: Prime
    Climbing: tie
    Descending: Prime
    Hucking: Prime
    Jumping: Prime
    Weight: Sultan
    Build quality: Sultan
    Resale: Sultan
    Sexiness: Prime
    Out of saddle pedaling: tie
    All day enduro comfort: Sultan
    Versatility: Prime
    Ingenuity: Prime
    Raising the bar: Prime

    In a simple, non-professional wrap up... The Prime is more fun!

    Now to the SB95... My best riding buddy actually has one and I'm not a huge fan from an AM perspective. It's an incredible bike but, to me, the geo doesn't match the personality of the bike. What I mean is, the numbers would suggest it's clearly an AM bike but the pedal platform and overall feel of the bike leans more toward a stiff, efficient trail bike. The Sultan, to me, is more AM than the SB95 even though the SB has the Sultan whipped in the aggressive AM geo category. I like the SB but it's more in the RIP9, Tallboy, Mach 429 league even though it's really slack. It's not stiff enough or plush enough to be considered an AM bike. It is, however, the king of the trail bike category if you ask me;) I would actually buy one if all I rode was flowy, buff singletrack. I think it would beat the crap out of me on my normal riding spots.

    I'll have a Butcher as a front tire review coming pretty soon;) My LBS has been hooking me up with all kinds of new goodies recently:p
  • 10-25-2012
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    I had a Sultan this past season and it's a great bike. I actually kept it around to make sure I'd like the Prime THAT much before I sold it;)

    My opinion on the Sultan versus Prime is, the Prime is more "ME". I like chunk. 3-4' drops, rocky descents, etc. I never worried about the Sultan breaking on me but it wasn't made exclusively for Whistler type conditions. The Sultan can take a ton of abuse but the geometry wasn't designed for it. The Prime IS an all mountain/light downhill bike and you can tell. The geometry and stiffness scream for MOAR the second you jump on it! The thing is so easy to manual, pop off small trail obstacles, taking rocky chutes in non-advisable speeds... Just a blast!

    Here's a +/- comparo:

    Stiffness: Prime
    Flickability: Prime
    Climbing: tie
    Descending: Prime
    Hucking: Prime
    Jumping: Prime
    Weight: Sultan
    Build quality: Sultan
    Resale: Sultan
    Sexiness: Prime
    Out of saddle pedaling: tie
    All day enduro comfort: Sultan
    Versatility: Prime
    Ingenuity: Prime
    Raising the bar: Prime

    In a simple, non-professional wrap up... The Prime is more fun!

    Now to the SB95... My best riding buddy actually has one and I'm not a huge fan from an AM perspective. It's an incredible bike but, to me, the geo doesn't match the personality of the bike. What I mean is, the numbers would suggest it's clearly an AM bike but the pedal platform and overall feel of the bike leans more toward a stiff, efficient trail bike. The Sultan, to me, is more AM than the SB95 even though the SB has the Sultan whipped in the aggressive AM geo category. I like the SB but it's more in the RIP9, Tallboy, Mach 429 league even though it's really slack. It's not stiff enough or plush enough to be considered an AM bike. It is, however, the king of the trail bike category if you ask me;) I would actually buy one if all I rode was flowy, buff singletrack. I think it would beat the crap out of me on my normal riding spots.

    I'll have a Butcher as a front tire review coming pretty soon;) My LBS has been hooking me up with all kinds of new goodies recently:p

    After a handful of rides...I would offer my thoughts on the Sultan/ Prime comparo as such:

    Stiffness: A wash...after 3 years on the dw sultan, I expected the Prime to blow it away...but it didn't. BOTH are very stiff 29er frames.
    Flickability: Prime (yup)
    Climbing: Sultan takes this one unless it is seriously techinical...otherwise the Prime tends to be a bit less pedal feedback under really steep climbs.
    Descending: Prime (yup)
    Hucking: Prime (duh)
    Jumping: Prime (close tho)
    Weight: Sultan
    Build quality: Sultan (definitely)
    Resale: we shall see ;)
    Sexiness: Both
    Out of saddle pedaling: Sultan is a much more firm platform out of saddle...tho the Prime can handle it's own.
    All day enduro comfort: Untested as of yet...stay tuned!
    Versatility: Prime
    Ingenuity: ??? I think the Sultan having at least 3 years of pushing the 29er bar would give it the nod here.
    Raising the bar: OK...I can agree; Prime :D
  • 10-25-2012
    DFYFZX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    After a handful of rides...I would offer my thoughts on the Sultan/ Prime comparo as such:

    Stiffness: A wash...after 3 years on the dw sultan, I expected the Prime to blow it away...but it didn't. BOTH are very stiff 29er frames.
    Flickability: Prime (yup)
    Climbing: Sultan takes this one unless it is seriously techinical...otherwise the Prime tends to be a bit less pedal feedback under really steep climbs.
    Descending: Prime (yup)
    Hucking: Prime (duh)
    Jumping: Prime (close tho)
    Weight: Sultan
    Build quality: Sultan (definitely)
    Resale: we shall see ;)
    Sexiness: Both
    Out of saddle pedaling: Sultan is a much more firm platform out of saddle...tho the Prime can handle it's own.
    All day enduro comfort: Untested as of yet...stay tuned!
    Versatility: Prime
    Ingenuity: ??? I think the Sultan having at least 3 years of pushing the 29er bar would give it the nod here.
    Raising the bar: OK...I can agree; Prime :D

    I will add that my Sultan was a L and my Prime is a M. Also, they have different shocks and I seriously doubt I had them tuned the same:p

    I gave ingenuity to the Prime SOLELY because of the adjustable/replaceable dropouts that change angles and axle standards:thumbsup:

    I can't argue with you one bit! They're both excellent bikes and opinions are like arse holes:D
  • 10-25-2012
    Optimus
    Cheese heads screwed up my address, my Prime's floating around somewhere in UPS limbo, I may not get it until next week now. Jeez.
  • 10-25-2012
    evasive
    Oh man, that sucks. I would be so worked up after all the anticipation.

    I'm friends with my UPS man, so if it makes it onto his truck, I'm golden.
  • 10-25-2012
    Optimus
    Tracking now shows tomorrow delivery, but it said that yesterday for today. 150 drop outs are out a few weeks or so yet, so I bought the 135's also, I'll ride that back until the 150's get here. Probably handy to have both anyway. It's been a long wait, which I knew up front, but it really irritated me to have it get screwed up not 10 miles from my eager hands.
  • 10-25-2012
    DFYFZX
    Is yours coming with 142mm dropouts??? I'm trying to get a set if you want to sell them;)
  • 10-25-2012
    evasive
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    I can't argue with you one bit! They're both excellent bikes and opinions are like arse holes:D

    Definitely, although you and I seem to be of similar minds, except I liked the Tallboy LTc a lot more than I liked the SB95. Didn't expect that to be the case.
  • 10-25-2012
    Optimus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    Is yours coming with 142mm dropouts??? I'm trying to get a set if you want to sell them;)

    No, coming with 135, I'll be running 150 as soon as they are manufactured.
  • 10-25-2012
    DFYFZX
    I'm afraid to test ride a Tallboy LTc. Might end up costly:/

    By the way, I was referring to the regular Tallboy, NOT the LT in my review;)
  • 10-25-2012
    DFYFZX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    No, coming with 135, I'll be running 150 as soon as they are manufactured.

    :bluefrown:

    I'm waiting on the 142s...
  • 10-25-2012
    FM
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    I'm afraid to test ride a Tallboy LTc. Might end up costly:/

    The tallboy is curious to me, on paper at least.... steeper head angles and longer chainstays, compared to the prime....yet people seem to love it. I am sure it's a great bike, I'll have to try one someday.

    Today I really enjoyed my Prime though :)
  • 10-25-2012
    DFYFZX
    Honestly, the ONLY thing that intrigues me about the LTc would be the possibility of a 26lbs heavy duty bike;) The geo doesn't speak to me at all...