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    More to come, the forum and my pics aren't getting along.
    Hmmm... That Prime looks vaguely familiar.


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    As you can see from the suspension O-rings, it was a good ride

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    Hum looking nice, as usual. Is that a new hydration pack to match the grips or new grips to match the pack? If those are your regular trails, then I think I'd tend to agree, that like me the Phantom will be a good choice. As to the o-ring, going by what you used on the Pike compared to the DB, I'd say add 10-15 PSI to the Pike, if one of the two are going to use full travel, I'd rather it be the shock over the fork.
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    Yeah, trying to decide if I need less in the shock or more in the fork. Sag is 25% on both, might need to put a token in the Pike.

    That's an access trail, so it's pretty tame, but still would be a great fit for a Phantom. That's the plan.

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    The grips are Turquoise from my Yeti, I thought it was a nice obnoxious touch. The pack is ENDURO blue, of course

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    I NEVER set fork SAG, only ever set shock SAG as it's very hard to get yourself up and balanced on the pedals where you need to be to set fork SAG. Also as you brake, your weight tends to be propelled forward and changes the whole weight balance making setting SAG on the fork not really accurate, I go by a rough bounce test of putting all my weight on the fork and pushing down, if I can get it to about 40% travel, then that's my starting point, I adjust from there. I'd think that unless you hit some drops on this ride, then the shock is good and the fork wants air so you have something left if you did come across a drop, if you happened to have hit a decent drop and landed nose heavy, then maybe the other way around, but I'm guessing what I said first.


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    Yeah, trying to decide if I need less in the shock or more in the fork. Sag is 25% on both, might need to put a token in the Pike.

    That's an access trail, so it's pretty tame, but still would be a great fit for a Phantom. That's the plan.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but proper Prime sag on the shock is 13mm. I set my shock right to the recommendation, and also my fork to RS recommended PSI for my riding weight. I then twiddle with the gizmos to get it to ride the way that I prefer. I am 205ish fully geared, have the HV can on my CC, rarely fully bottom the shock but I rarely go over 3' to flat, and occasionally bottom my fork but never can feel when I do. I may be a complete idiot where bike suspension setup is concerned, but my Strava times downhill through some of the nastiest AZ chunk indicate that I am doing something right. And it just "feels" right, and fast.

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    two tokens made a big improvement in my Pike. Before that it felt great, but occasionally let me down while cornering, like there wasn't enough mid stroke support. I had tried increasing compression damping but then the fork started spiking (spiky pike!). adding tokens created more midstroke support with less compression damping.

    As for sag, my experience is that sag is totally relative to how progressive your suspension is. 30% sag can be too much if your suspension is too linear, or not enough if it's super progressive.

    Riding style is a huge factor too. I know what works for my riding style, might not be optimal for anyone else. I generally prefer suspension that rides firm and progressive with minimal compression damping and moderately fast rebound, so it's active but efficient and only uses full travel when I'm in trouble!

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    I had no complaints on the ride yesterday. Might tweak some here and there, but overall I was very pleased.

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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread

    From my ride today. I thought I would post a pic that actually has mountains in it instead of the usual "propped against a tree" look.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post

    That's an access trail, so it's pretty tame, but still would be a great fit for a Phantom. That's the plan.
    Phantom? Is this something I should know about?
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    Phantom? Is this something I should know about?
    Not sure how relevant it will be to you, but:
    Let's speculate about the new Banshee 29er!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Not sure how relevant it will be to you, but:
    Let's speculate about the new Banshee 29er!

    Actually extremely relevant. I think the Prime is a whole lotta bike for most things.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Actually extremely relevant. I think the Prime is a whole lotta bike for most things.

    Thanks.
    Word. That's the reason I moved away from the Lenz. Looking forward to a no compromises(slackish geo, 150mm rear hub, piggyback shock) short travel trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Word. That's the reason I moved away from the Lenz. Looking forward to a no compromises(slackish geo, 150mm rear hub, piggyback shock) short travel trail bike.
    So wait, you no longer have the "best ever" punkass Behemoth?
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    That is correct, built up the yellow prime with it's remains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    That is correct, built up the yellow prime with it's remains.
    A bit confused: They are essentially the same travel? Prime is lower and a lot longer (and heavier).
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    Adding photos because bored photo cred all to Mikesee:























    And, yes, I would be just peachy with a 100mm bike for that stuff.
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    In regards to redundancy, I found a great deal on a brand new Prime frame in my favorite color so I took the leap. Moving down from a size large to a medium this time around makes a big difference as well in the right direction.

    So I figured I'd ride the Prime until the Phantom becomes available and transfer all the parts over, sans fork/shock.

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    Nice stuff Enel, love that rock crawlin Did you make that move in the 2nd pic, looks awfully big and tall? Very surprised you hadn't heard about the Phantom until now, very surprised.
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    Nice stuff Enel, love that rock crawlin Did you make that move in the 2nd pic, looks awfully big and tall? Very surprised you hadn't heard about the Phantom until now, very surprised.
    Yes. I do it regularly on the Jones as well. Just takes some commitment. I have also wrecked on it.

    In retrospect I had heard about the phantom, but it was so long ago I had forgotten about it
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    Sweet. Yeah, it's one of those commit or eat it type moves I guessed, just no experience with slickrock, so no idea of the amount of grip. Is it a straight up, pedal at it, pop the front and keep pedaling type moves or pedal, pop the front and throw the bike up? Video of the move would be very cool.
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    Yes. I do it regularly on the Jones as well. Just takes some commitment. I have also wrecked on it.

    In retrospect I had heard about the phantom, but it was so long ago I had forgotten about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Sweet. Yeah, it's one of those commit or eat it type moves I guessed, just no experience with slickrock, so no idea of the amount of grip. Is it a straight up, pedal at it, pop the front and keep pedaling type moves or pedal, pop the front and throw the bike up? Video of the move would be very cool.
    It is a timing move. you have all your speed to clear it before entering. Here is an old video on the FSR, and it looks like the move was easier back then.

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    Here is a similar, steeper up on the Jones.


    Momentum plus timing. No trials skills needed.

    As an aside: these moves are very stressful to the frame and it was a similar move that eventually broke my Milk Money in half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Here is a similar, steeper up on the Jones.
    Nice!

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    Agreed, that one on the Jones is sick, absolute commitment. Didn't realise the first had some rocks building the angle to it from the photo you posted, had seen that video a while back when you posted it, didn't realise it was the same place. Thinking the Prime will hold up to this sort of stuff, or at least I'd put money on my pre-production holding up for sure.
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    Here is a similar, steeper up on the Jones. Momentum plus timing. No trials skills needed.

    As an aside: these moves are very stressful to the frame and it was a similar move that eventually broke my Milk Money in half.
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    Nice, Enel. I was up there toward the end of last September, had a blast. Your Constellation trail system is a hoot too, although not as technical as the Dells. I want to get up there again before it gets too hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Nice, Enel. I was up there toward the end of last September, had a blast. Your Constellation trail system is a hoot too, although not as technical as the Dells. I want to get up there again before it gets too hot.
    Both the vids were from Constellation. We call it the beginner loop;0 Ping me next time you come up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Both the vids were from Constellation. We call it the beginner loop;0 Ping me next time you come up.
    I was thinking Dells, didn't recognize it from Constellation. I rode a loop counter clockwise around most of the outside of Constellation, but once I started heading back toward the TH I kinda shot down the center. Spent a day farting around in the Dells too. It's riding that is definitely worth the driving time it takes to get there from the valley.

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    Has anyone ridden a Manitou ISX 6 on the prime?

    I have tried a coil again, this time a CCDB on the prime, and at least for my weight and riding style, the coil shock and large volume air are not performing well, blowing through the travel.
    From what i can see, the manitou has adjustable air volume, as well as 2 air pressures (a lot like a fox dhx air), but instead of propedal I can tinker with 2 compressions. Any feedback? Save my money for a Monarch Plus?
    I have a big bike for the lift days, so the prime has to be able to be ridden on full day enduro rides, or even the odd 40-80km marathon; therefore I'd like to keep a lightweight shock, but maintaining performance to stick with people on 160mm 26er. I find the ctd awesome at climbing, but has very low small bump sensitivity, blows through mid travel very fast and rebound isn't consistent... I'm trying to fix all those by changing shock.

    Also, has anyone gone from a Marzo 44 Micro Air Ti (those chainlove ones) to a pike? Worth it?
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    In regards to the Marz to Pike, totally worth it. The difference in stiffness is night and day, not to mention the actual suspension improvements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    In regards to the Marz to Pike, totally worth it. The difference in stiffness is night and day, not to mention the actual suspension improvements.
    Totally agree. Never quite got on with the TST damper.

    In back- I think getting the right tune is more critical than anything else. The Elka that felt awesome on my rune, didn't feel very good on the Prime due to the different leverage ratio (with a different spring of course). In my experience the Prime feels best with very light compression damping, since it has a low leverage ratio. Of course that also depends on rider weight.

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    Main problem is fork upgrade is a lot more expensive than getting a used rear shock. I can't seem to find used pikes, due to being so recent. And they aren't cheap either, nor can I easily sell the marzo to make up for the cost.
    The removal of foam rings and cutting a spacer is what I'll probably do to the 44, and try to solve the rear first. I am by no means unhappy with the 44, I like it a lot more than the rear CTD for sure
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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread

    Just saw a Pike in the MTBR classifieds a little while ago. (Not mine) Didn't even look at the price, but you might want to take a look.

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    Anyone have opinions on Manitou Tower PRO 140mm vs. Pike?

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    No personal experience comparing those two, but I did have a Minute 120mm w/ 20mm TA and then F34 and now Trace and the difference between the Minute and the 34mm stanchions forks is definitely noticeable, even at my paltry ready to ride weight of about 180lbs. Will say that the Minute only had a straight steerer and a tapered steerer will help with stiffening things up, but where I could easily and clearly see the difference was in For/Aft flex, def less on the 34mm stanchions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Anyone have opinions on Manitou Tower PRO 140mm vs. Pike?
    Yes, Well kind of.

    The Manitou Tower Pro 140mm fork isn't a bad fork & works quite well compered to some of the forks that have been out there.

    I have done a bit of ridding on my friends Rip9 with a Tower Pro 140 on it, Although it isn't life changing it isn't that bad either, A little flexy & lacking some bump compliance.

    I have the X Fusion Trace 140 on 1 of my bikes & 140mm Pike on another.

    The X Fusion is quite a bike step up from the Tower Pro in both the Stiffness & bump compliance, The pike is another step again.

    If you can afford the Pike by it, It's a great fork.

    But don't try to convince yourself that the cheaper & lesser fork is as good, It just isn't.
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    Thanks for the feedback!! I love the Tower PRO 120mm on my N9, but have not tried anything else. I can understand the opinion about the difference in stiffness between the two forks, but reserve my thoughts on the bump compliance of the PRO.

    PRO's are going for $250 right now, which is 1/4 the price of the pike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Thanks for the feedback!! I love the Tower PRO 120mm on my N9, but have not tried anything else. I can understand the opinion about the difference in stiffness between the two forks, but reserve my thoughts on the bump compliance of the PRO.

    PRO's are going for $250 right now, which is 1/4 the price of the pike.
    That is a good deal for sure.

    However when you have ridden the same bike, with the same setup & tried 3 or different forks on it, It highlights just how important the fork is to the overall fun & just how hard you can ride the bike.

    No one likes spending more than they have to, But in most cases you get what you pay for.

    Best fork for your bike IMO is the Pike, Best fork for the price, X Fusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    However when you have ridden the same bike, with the same setup & tried 3 or different forks on it, It highlights just how important the fork is to the overall fun & just how hard you can ride the bike.
    Totally agreed. as much as I HATE spending $7-800 on a fork, forks are the last place I would look to save money on a build. Especially on the Prime, the frame is so capable, the fork easily ends up being the limiting factor (other than us riders LOL)

    If I was on a tight budget I'd got with a used Fox 34 with a tapered steerer and have it serviced if needed. And I'd save money on drivetrain, pedals, rear shock or wheels if the fork was a stretch.

    That said, I haven't ridden an x-fusion or a manitou. I did bump my Pike up to 160mm today, though!

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    Agree with FM and Muzz, the fork, especially on a bike like the Prime and especially for someone your size, is not the place to skimp. As FM suggested, look for a used F34, there must be loads out there with everyone switching to the Pike, or go for a new Trace.
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    As far as the F34 goes, it's plenty stout enough, and the ride control was just fine until RS released the Pike. When I ebayed my F34 it sold for $600 and only had maybe 10 rides on it, virtually new yet.

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    Yep a well-used one can be had for $400....

    On another note, I'm still digging this photo!
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    That is a nice pic!!

    I know it's really not the place for it, but the F34 can handle my 250ish (hope to be below 220# sooner than later) girth w/o a problem. And by "hanlde", I mean not be spikey or loose performance because of the weight.

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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread

    Finally pulled the trigger on a new shock. Installed my new Vector air HLR on the Prime tonight. Now I just need some good weather to go riding in.

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    Let me know how you like it, I'm tempted to swap the DBair out for it since I already have one sitting on my bench.

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    Revelation RCT3 (may invest in Fox 34 if the forks show not to match the frames studiness), Black Flag Pro wheels, XT drivetrain (Zee RD), Formula The One brakes, Thomson hardware, RF Atlas 780mm bars.
    Tires are Rocket Rons for damp and muddy danish forests, Ardent 2.4s for riding rocks in the Alps. Reverb will be mounted for those trips as well.




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    Listen, I now you feel bad having that shock just sitting there, not being used, send it down to me and I'll test it for you while you wait for winter to end and while I wait for the Phantom to become available
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    Finally pulled the trigger on a new shock. Installed my new Vector air HLR on the Prime tonight. Now I just need some good weather to go riding in.
    Really don't understand when people say stuff like this, have a shock sitting there, but prefer to hear what someone else thinks Everyone is different and has different likes and dis-likes, so while AOK may like it, he may like different stuff to you. Personally I'd just throw it on there and have a go myself, that way I know what it's like.
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    Let me know how you like it, I'm tempted to swap the DBair out for it since I already have one sitting on my bench.
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