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    I'd have to say the X-Fusion Vector Air HLR going by what the couple guys who got them for their PP Primes have said about them and in general what others have said about the shock. I'm also tossing up between getting the Vector Air or an 02 RLX/RCX - know the Vector would be the best choice, but don't really do any drops or get much air, so don't think I'd really benefit from the piggyback, however, having High and Low speed compression control would give you an absolutely dialed shock IMHO.

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    Not counting CCDB-Air (price, too many friggin knobs and need tools to turn 'em) as option, which one of these for production frame?

    1) RS Vivid Air
    2) X-Fusion Vector Air HLR

    And which tune?

    (I think i'll build another shock for big mountain days and another for general trail riding)
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    Keith, out of curiosity for those of us who don't know $hit about such things, could you explain the difference between the Pre and Production ratios? If I have even an inkling reading them it would seem the production ramps up even higher at the end and doesn't go as low/soft when it bottoms

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    The pre production frames are actually slightly mre progressive than the production ones. The main reason for this was shock compatibility, as we wanted this frame to work well with the DBair, and we found that the pre production frames were a little too progressive for the shock. The curve shape is very similar really, although production frames are a little more linear, and have slightly lower leverage ratio across mid stroke range. So they shold pedal slightly better with stock shocks. Of course the shocks that we offer with the frames are always tuned to match that frame.

    The leverage curve s not all the story either, that is just what is useful for referance when trying to tune a shock to match, there are a number of other linkage kinematic characteristics that all have an effect on the way the suspension works such as antisquat and chainstretch which can make bikes with the same leverage curve feel more or less progressive with the same shock tune.
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    Keith, or anyone from banshee, or even anyone who has seen a black ano prime in first hand.

    Are the decals under a layer of clearcoat in the black ano frame?

    I already know about the raw frame, but I'd like intel about the black ano. It doesn't make much sense to clearcoar a anodized frame, hence my belief on heat gun stickered decals. If this is true, I guess they can "easily" be removed (just heat it up again and peel them away). Is this true?

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    ^^
    Looks like nobody likes the new graphics

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrF035 View Post
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    Looks like nobody likes the new graphics
    can't blame them, they are hideous imho. overbearing.

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    Being the owner of a V1 Rune, whose styling was neat and clean, I do find the v2 version a bit over the top in terms of decals. If they came in a sheet so we could apply them, fine. The brand name is ok to have under the clearcoat.

    It is just all those stripes and lines that I think are dependant on everyone's taste...

    I think the big brand name in diagonal tube and small model name on horizontal worked fine, but that's just me

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    Quote Originally Posted by G_g View Post
    Being the owner of a V1 Rune, whose styling was neat and clean, I do find the v2 version a bit over the top in terms of decals. If they came in a sheet so we could apply them, fine. The brand name is ok to have under the clearcoat.

    It is just all those stripes and lines that I think are dependant on everyone's taste...

    I think the big brand name in diagonal tube and small model name on horizontal worked fine, but that's just me
    i agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrF035 View Post
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    Looks like nobody likes the new graphics
    Nah, i like 'em.

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    I don't mind them. Not in love with them...don't hate them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The pre production frames are actually slightly mre progressive than the production ones. The main reason for this was shock compatibility, as we wanted this frame to work well with the DBair, and we found that the pre production frames were a little too progressive for the shock. The curve shape is very similar really, although production frames are a little more linear, and have slightly lower leverage ratio across mid stroke range. So they shold pedal slightly better with stock shocks. Of course the shocks that we offer with the frames are always tuned to match that frame.

    The leverage curve s not all the story either, that is just what is useful for referance when trying to tune a shock to match, there are a number of other linkage kinematic characteristics that all have an effect on the way the suspension works such as antisquat and chainstretch which can make bikes with the same leverage curve feel more or less progressive with the same shock tune.
    I would be very interested in the antisquat curve.
    As it changed compared to picture based model antonio made last year ?
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    Portuguese distributor is asking me to make a decision on frame finish, but i need an answer to the following: Are the decals under a layer of varnish/clearcoat/whatever in the black ano frame, or can i just heat them lightly and peel them off?

    If i can remove some of those stripes, getting black ano, otherwise, undecided between raw and bright neon yellow

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    ^^
    I am in the same boat.

    I have a Black ano Rune 2008 and she does NOT have any clear coat over the black anodized surface. The white letters and graphics are paint over the Black anodized, but I removed with a strong chemical liquid.
    But I am NOT shure about the new version finish.

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    I intend to ride the Prime graphics with pride. No, they're not my favorite, but I'm not building the bike because of how attractive I find the appearance. I'm building it because it is hands down the most badass AM 29er available.
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    Well I could be wrong (highly doubt it) but I've NEVER seen an anodized frame with clear ontop and would assume that the anodized Primes will be no different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I intend to ride the Prime graphics with pride. No, they're not my favorite, but I'm not building the bike because of how attractive I find the appearance. I'm building it because it is hands down the most badass AM 29er available.
    You should come up to Ptown and shred that Prime in the Dells. Can't wait till my Rune shows up just for the same purpose!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I intend to ride the Prime graphics with pride. No, they're not my favorite, but I'm not building the bike because of how attractive I find the appearance. I'm building it because it is hands down the most badass AM 29er available.
    Couldn't agree more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    You should come up to Ptown and shred that Prime in the Dells. Can't wait till my Rune shows up just for the same purpose!
    I've been wanting to get up there, I just can never seem to find the time. I hiked a bit out in the Dells back in the spring, I really want to ride there. Once I'm dialed in and ready to thrash I'll make a greater effort to drive up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I've been wanting to get up there, I just can never seem to find the time. I hiked a bit out in the Dells back in the spring, I really want to ride there. Once I'm dialed in and ready to thrash I'll make a greater effort to drive up.
    Sweet, I'll give ya a tour when your ready. If ya want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    Sweet, I'll give ya a tour when your ready. If ya want?
    Sounds like a plan, I'll give you a shout when I'm ready. Do the Dells get snowed in, or only the higher elevations?
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    Ano frames do not have any clearcoat, the decals are heat tranfers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Ano frames do not have any clearcoat, the decals are heat tranfers.
    Thanks Keith, all I wanted to know. I would get a prime, the decals just change if I can go Stealth Black or neon Yellow. (I like pretty bikes, but they must perform, no showroom cr@p, but if they can look nice, why not?)

    Now, since I have a DHX Air and a Van R in 200x57 (van R is on the Rune), CCDB Air or the CTD for the Prime? I mean, the prime is supposed to take the longer days on the saddle, where the Rune will be more descent oriented. I like the idea of low weight of the Fox CTD, but on the other hand, the performance of the CCDB is on another level... Maybe just sell my DHX Air and get a RP23 or anything similar for the pedally/XC/marathin days, and keep the CCDB Air on the prime? What you think?

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    In my case with the rune I decided to go with a fox ctd (low weight and good performance for the whole year except summer time...) and then come to a vivid coil ( in your case would be a vivid air).

    Is not excesive price to spend in a second shock (coil or ccdb air or vivid air) for dark days or bikeparks.

    I think its the best option.

    Such everybody knows... a lighter frame would be more comfortable than a heavy one... and in overall I think its not worth it go to a ccdb air regarding the really good performance that the new rp23 ctd is currently showing....

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    Gonna buy Vivid Air for my frame Low Comp, Med rebound tune.

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    New Prime in Large

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    Looking great! How does it ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phat-ant View Post
    Looking great! How does it ride?
    That's The Path Bike Shop's demo ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Sounds like a plan, I'll give you a shout when I'm ready. Do the Dells get snowed in, or only the higher elevations?

    Yes the Dells get snow, but alot of the trail is on rock and its no big deal. WooHoo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    You should come up to Ptown and shred that Prime in the Dells. Can't wait till my Rune shows up just for the same purpose!
    Waaay too much bike Your Spitty is almost perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Waaay too much bike Your Spitty is almost perfect.
    You said the magic word = almost. My nomad, 2 spitty's and a supper shuttle have cracked from the Dells? Ya the spitty was fun, but it was getting to much abuse. The Prime and the Rune should be beefy enough to handle the Dells for awhile? You know you want 1 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    You said the magic word = almost. My nomad, 2 spitty's and a supper shuttle have cracked from the Dells? Ya the spitty was fun, but it was getting to much abuse. The Prime and the Rune should be beefy enough to handle the Dells for awhile? You know you want 1 .
    Quit riding like a caveman! I have only killed one frame out there so far and it was a very lightweight XC frame.

    I did not know about the Spitfire deaths (or the gonad for that matter).

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    Just a mock up...but I couldn't wait to break out the tape measure



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    Lookin' awesome JNC!

    PS- thanks for the package

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    Last time I pay for a bike 6 months early. They'll be obsolete by the time mine gets here. One of you guys take an extra ride, for me, please.

    Hey, the Butcher29's are available. Get em' while they're hot. Got one on my Paradox front and 2 extras on my bench. Awesome tire for AZ conditions.
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    Finally a 29" DHF!
    I'm sure I'll want a set, a front at minimum, but best to worry about the whole need a frame and fork thing first : )

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    Hey JNC, what size is that? Ask as I see you have a setback post, find it strange that someone needs a setback post for a Prime - looks like needs as saddle is past 1/2 back on the rails. I've always needed setback posts on all bikes prior to the Prime, but not on the Prime, only reason I'm running one on it is for the post length - 350mm they send is just too short for me. Know you said it's a mockup,, just curious how "mock" ?

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    Just a mock up...but I couldn't wait to break out the tape measure

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    That is a medium prime I believe.
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    Which Q factor from XX1 cranks is appropriate 168mm?

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    Yup, the 168mm Q factor option is required for all Banshee frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Hey JNC, what size is that? Ask as I see you have a setback post, find it strange that someone needs a setback post for a Prime - looks like needs as saddle is past 1/2 back on the rails. I've always needed setback posts on all bikes prior to the Prime, but not on the Prime, only reason I'm running one on it is for the post length - 350mm they send is just too short for me. Know you said it's a mockup,, just curious how "mock" ?
    Yup...medium. I am trying to squeeze onto a medium for maximum schralp-ability
    Surprisingly, there is only 1/4" difference in cockpit length from my HT 29er (Stickel) with 24" ETT. I am going to try both the offset & 0 offset Thomson posts...since I would like to go with a dropper post at some point, and there are none of those with offset I am interested in.

    "Mock'd up", as in, no headset installed yet (arrived today )...but I wanted to measure up a few data points. From what I can gather, this might be my best fitting FS 29er yet! Tomorrow will reveal all! I will be starting off with the lowest/slackest setting...and go from there!


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    Barely enough time to build after work tonight...shakedown ride tomorrow!

    Frame weight: 7.95 lbs

    Final Weight: 31.08 lbs




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    The thing is a wheelie machine! I can't wait to properly flog it!


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    Looks nice, jnc. Get one of the new Butcher29's, you'll like it better than that Purg on the front, guaranteed.
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    I'm not seeing any chain guide, jnc, but I won't argue that I could be blind. I'll be interested in hearing any chain drop issues during the flogging. I haven't decided on any chain guide yet, I plan to ride a bit and see if hopefully I can get away with just a stinger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    I'm not seeing any chain guide, jnc, but I won't argue that I could be blind. I'll be interested in hearing any chain drop issues during the flogging. I haven't decided on any chain guide yet, I plan to ride a bit and see if hopefully I can get away with just a stinger.
    I'll have to check out the B29...been too busy!

    I run a short cage rear der./ short-ish chain & never drop chains.

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    Once I swap my big ring for a bash guard, pretty much mandatory for where I ride, I always swap to a medium cage. Never tried a short with 2 chain rings. Speaking of Hammerschmidts, I had half a crazy thought of building a Hammerschmidt dinglespeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Oh you're def a lucky bugger, wish I had the $$ to spare to do it as well 142mm dropouts don't sway me either way as I have some coordination and can easily line up and install a wheel without needing guides The weight drop and other refinements though are def worth it if you've got the coin to do it. When you get it is it going to be a completely new build so you have both to ride back to back or will you be stripping the Pre for parts?
    Maybe wait for the carbon version.
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    I ran Eskar fronts until you couldn't get them anymore, switched to 2.4 Purgatory, way better. I'm now riding the B29 front, way better again, the 2 spares laying on my bench weigh in at 811g and 833g. Not much heavier than a Purg, softer rubber, a touch thicker sidewall, feels just as good as the 26" version, maybe even a touch better because of the bigger diameter.
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