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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinS View Post
    Yes it comes with an axle.
    I'm running a CK inset 2, CC headsets are great too or if $$ are an issue go with Banshees house brand.
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    Has anyone rode with both the RP23 CTD and the CC DB Air? I was set to just get the CTD, I liked the idea of changing the shock characteristics on the fly...but hear that the CC is a much better shock, so I wanted to ask if any of you would be able help with this decision, have you ridden both and if so what can you tell me about the differences?

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    G_g, what size is your Prime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudpuppy View Post
    Has anyone rode with both the RP23 CTD and the CC DB Air? I was set to just get the CTD, I liked the idea of changing the shock characteristics on the fly...but hear that the CC is a much better shock, so I wanted to ask if any of you would be able help with this decision, have you ridden both and if so what can you tell me about the differences?
    If ridden both but i rode the CTD not that long and the CC since change from CTD only ~5 times. Stillts needs some more setup.
    But for what i can tell i like the DB Air. First i thought it could be hard with steep climbs when there is no propedal but the DB Air is doing really fine. What i love about this shock so far is: setup and forget. Not like the CTD where you have always turn some knobs ... cant tell you that more because im not that experienced

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.P. View Post
    G_g, what size is your Prime?
    Large. Phantom'esque stickers should be here sometime during next week. 150mm travel seatpost on it's way. Apart from that, changing tires to less cumbersome and trying a super short stem and should be it
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkey View Post
    First i thought it could be hard with steep climbs when there is no propedal but the DB Air is doing really fine.
    I think that the kind of trail where ProPedal is a benefit is also one that puts a bike like the Prime at a disadvantage. The kind of climb that the Prime really excels at is the kind of climb where you also benefit from having an active suspension; rocky, rooty, loose, etc. When I had a DHX-A on mine, I only ever used the ProPedal on the road and never for singletrack climbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G_g View Post
    Large. Phantom'esque stickers should be here sometime during next week. 150mm travel seatpost on it's way. Apart from that, changing tires to less cumbersome and trying a super short stem and should be it
    Thanks, if you dont mind sharing, what's your height/inseam?

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    1,79m height.

    Inseam, I'll have to re-measure, never remember that one xD
    To be honest, if you don't want to use a 35-50mm stem and you are my height, go for a Medium. I like the longer top tube and super short stem, reminds me of the moto-x position. ATM I am using a 50mm stem, due to the 40mm being on the dh bike. As soon as I get a decent stem for the dh bike, the 40mm will get back on the prime.
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    So it looks like the CCDB Air is what everybody seems to be leaning towards or using. I too am not happy with the Fox CTD, but cannot decide which rear shock to go with. I was thinking of switching to a coil but am not sure if that's the way to go with the KS link. If Keith would be so kind as to chime in on our dilemma that would be much appreciated.

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    no Monarch Plus RC3's for new Banshee designs?

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    Trying out some lighter (10x135) wheels Hope/Flow, instead of mine Chris King/freedom disc (12x150).
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    I'll be building a pair of the Flow EX's onto my Hive hubs today. The MTX's are very nice, but I don't want to use tubes, and I can't 100% trust them not to burp when tubeless. They're like new, only a few blemishes, maybe 6 rides, if anybody is interested.

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    Hi to all!
    This is my first post!
    I just bought a black L prime frame with 150 mm and I'm going to define the components....the assembly will lake long time

    I have a terrible doubt about the chainline (considered as theory says, i.e. the line parallel to the frame axis from middle cassette to the middle chainrings).
    1) the chainline theoretically starts to be defined by the rear cassette position (considering the wide dropout solution). So: is the absolute position of rear cassette the same for all the 150 mm rear hubs which are on the market? If "yes", what is such measurement? (I looked at many forums/site but no details, datasheet with this measurement). If "no" it means that every 150 mm hub define the bike chainline, but such measure should be a basic parameter on each hub manufacturer site....but it is not.
    2) With the 73 mm bb, I expect it is not possible to have the correct chainline (parallel, middle to middle). I know that there are adapters (like raceface) or maybe there are longer crank spindle (128 mm) compatible with 73 mm. Did anybody used this on their prime? Am i wrong?
    3) At this point, I expect it is not possible to install any 2x or 3x (except the saint one) solution, as far as I didn't find any 2x or 3x crankset compatible with 83 mm, unless a "non perfect" chainline.
    4) Even if I find this, anyway is it possible to introduce some derailler spacers to shift it outside?

    Anybody who could answer to these questions or refer what is the situation in his prime about chain line, hub and so could really help me.

    Please, I love this frame!

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    tofinofin, Shimano XT 3x10 crankset spaced appropriately for 73mm shell, on the middle ring I have very good chainline with the 4th cog down on the 10 sp cassette. I have a 150mm e*thirteen LG1+ hub. I do most of my riding in the middle to largest cogs, and my X9 front mech shifts well enough that I don't hesitate to change from small to middle chain ring, I run a bash guard in place of a big ring. I have absolutely zero issues with this set up.

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    may i ask a silly question. why are some opting to use 150mm hubs? i've never even seen one, i thought they were strictly a DH thing. even my Reign X1 came with 135 rear axle. every AM bike i can think of on the market (Enduros, Reigns, Nomads, Runes, Slash, etc, from big to boutique) uses 142x12. what is the appeal and benefit of 150 for this bike, seems like an anomaly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    may i ask a silly question. why are some opting to use 150mm hubs? i've never even seen one, i thought they were strictly a DH thing. even my Reign X1 came with 135 rear axle. every AM bike i can think of on the market (Enduros, Reigns, Nomads, Runes, Slash, etc, from big to boutique) uses 142x12. what is the appeal and benefit of 150 for this bike, seems like an anomaly.
    Because it allows you to build a wheel with no offset...thus much stronger/stiffer laterally. I notice a big difference between the 135mm and 150mm rear wheels on my Prime.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Because it allows you to build a wheel with no offset...thus much stronger/stiffer laterally. I notice a big difference between the 135mm and 150mm rear wheels on my Prime.
    Exactly.

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    As they said. You can also use a 135mm SS hub and fit as many gears as you can on it and can also achieve a dishless wheel, just with 6, 7 or maybe 8 cogs depending on your drivetrain preference and how much work you want to put into getting more gears on there. I run an SS/Trials Hope Por2 rear with 6 cogs on my Prime and it's been on the previous 2 bike before that, works a charm.
    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Because it allows you to build a wheel with no offset...thus much stronger/stiffer laterally. I notice a big difference between the 135mm and 150mm rear wheels on my Prime.
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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread

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    tofinofin, I have a X9 double crankset and zero issues with a 150mm rear hub. I use every cog from my biggest ring, and the largest 3-4 from the small ring.
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    Finished building up my Flow's Monday night, got my fatty Minions today, oooh boy!

    Oh, and I popped for a 150mm LEV, it just got here today also.

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    you're killing us here. full large pics expected when she's done. not that this bike could ever be a she eh? saw a bloke ride past my office window on a red Banshee undetermined model (new Spitty i reckon) and if it wasn't for the client in front of me, i would have chased him down!

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    Well, I can help with some pics! Sunday:

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    No Primes in this shot, but I'm stoked with the photo:
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    Nice pics!
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    Makes me want to go ride, FM, right now. First pic is scary awesome.


    Minions. Garage only, I might get in a ride tomorrow after work.

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    Looks good. Finally some worthy tires. I can't wait. I was fortunate enough to get a pair of hand-me-down Dissents for my last couple desert trips, but the side knobs are pretty worn down, so cornering up here is a little sketchy. I'll get a second wheelset up and running in the next month or so and make my initial foray into tubeless with Stans FR rims as my 'light duty' every day wheelset. When the dual-ply Minions come out, I'll mount them on the MTX-33s for the big days in the mountains or desert rocks. Smashy smashy.
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    Front tire is big, , looked like a motocross tire when I was riding around in front of my house. I can hardly wait until it stretches out. Knobs are very chunky, as soft as my Control Butchers, sidewalls feel nice and thick. Easiest floor pump mount ever on Flows. Oooh, I'm gonna beat these tires this weekend!!!

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    Ripped a quick little chunky downhill on my new Maxxis tires, felt slow, even had to slow down a couple of times because I got a little discombobulated. Set a PR, 26th out of 196. Holy sh!t, guess I wasn't slow.

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    I have read that (i think it was) NoStyle is using the 26" dropouts with 650b LRS on his Spity. So would it also be possible to use 650b dropouts on the Prime?

    Im running a Bronson 2.2" at rear wheel and it seems there is really much tire clearence ... so i think running them at least at dry conditions should be without problems?

    how much mm shorter CS would the prime have with the 650b dropouts?

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    The Prime uses the equivalent of 26" dropouts from the rune as standard. So 650B dropouts on the prime would increase CS length and tire clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The Prime uses the equivalent of 26" dropouts from the rune as standard. So 650B dropouts on the prime would increase CS length and tire clearance.
    ok thanks.

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    I ordered my frame yesterday and received a few of the new bits of bike bling from Spank the other day....man I can't wait to get this bike built up:

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    I sold my V1 Rune and am now waiting for all the bits to come in for this build...it's taking far too long...lol. I rode my buddies Paradox on the weekend and loved it so I can't wait to get the Prime and just monster truck over everything....

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    Hi,

    Newcomer from Malaysia here, I've just built the 2d Prime in the country and I'd like to share a few pictures, especially for those interested in the XL frame...

    Riding mostly jungle singletraks with lots of rocks and roots so it's far from a light built ! Since I'm 1.98m and 91kg, the weight doesn't bother me that much, even uphill. The Park Tool scale having turned pretty much useless since I weighted some (too) heavy luggage so I can't tell about the weight... Have to take it to a bike shop.

    Specs:

    - XL frame raw
    - Marzocchi 44 Micro Switch TA 29er fork
    - XTR M980 crankset, 3rd ring removed to fit a Hope bashring
    - XTR M985-E2 front derailleur, XTR M986 Shadow+ rear
    - Formula R1 brakes (203/180)
    - Time Attac XC6 pedals
    - Answer Pro Tapper 710 carbon bar
    - Easton Haven stem 55mm
    - KS Lev 150mm dropper post (not pictured)
    - ZTR Flow EX 29er rims
    - Hadley hubs
    - Maxxis Ardent 2.25 ghetto tubeless w/ yellow tape
    - weight: TBA

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    This bike is a monster... I've been riding a Lapierre Zesty 514 (650b) for the past 3 years in Bukit Kiara, the mecca of mountain biking right in the center of Kuala Lumpur but this one beats everything in speed. Surefooted, massively stiff, excellent at rolling over almost every root or rock, 8 of the best times on Strava fell the very first ride... Now the dangers lies in forgetting to pick lines...

    Lines? What line?

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    Although it's a big bike - even though she doesn't look that big in XL size, I'm overly impressed: stiff, nimble, fast... just a great bike!

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    Oh man that is a nice looking bike, I just got off the phone with XFusion and have some Trace forks on the way...the frame arrived at the shop yesterday and the wheels I want are on backorder....the last part...ugh....

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    Sweet build Yup, biggest problem for me on my Prime, thing's just a Monster Truck and seems to be able to plow over/through anything, have to remember to watch lines though
    Quote Originally Posted by Elpanzer View Post
    Hi, Newcomer from Malaysia here, I've just built the 2d Prime in the country and I'd like to share a few pictures, especially for those interested in the XL frame..................
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    This bike is a monster...... Now the dangers lies in forgetting to pick lines... Lines? What line?

    Although it's a big bike - even though she doesn't look that big in XL size, I'm overly impressed: stiff, nimble, fast... just a great bike!
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    is anyone 5'9" about 32" inseam riding a large?

    I typically like short stems 60mm or less.

    I ride a large 26 FS with 24" ETT right now with a 35mm stem. I feel great on it. My old medium 26 FS with 23" ETT with a 60mm felt crammed.



    I can't wrap my head around why the reach on the prime is shorter than my large FS bike and why is the wheelbase around in inch longer than other similar 130mm 29er FS bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THATmanMANNY View Post
    is anyone 5'9" about 32" inseam riding a large?
    Solid medium territory!

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    As FM said, solid M territory, especially on a bike with the sort of design/intended usage. Curious what width bar you've been using on these Large frames with 60mm stems? Also what bike(s)?
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    Solid medium territory!
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    is anyone 5'9" about 32" inseam riding a large?
    I typically like short stems 60mm or less.
    Not sure what bike you have now, but my guess would be the Prime is slacker and/or your current FS is a 26er, and/or it has less travel than the Prime. FYI, the nicest "little" thing I've found about Banshee is the measurements they state are bang on, unlike a lot of other bike manufacturers where #s just don't match up.
    Quote Originally Posted by THATmanMANNY View Post
    I can't wrap my head around why the reach on the prime is shorter than my large FS bike and why is the wheelbase around in inch longer than other similar 130mm 29er FS bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THATmanMANNY View Post
    is anyone 5'9" about 32" inseam riding a large?
    Agree with FM an LyNx, medium. With your 32" inseam though, watch your seat post minimum insertion length. I have a 32" inseam also, I was using a 125mm KS dropper on my medium, right at minimum insertion and the bottom of it was right at the point where the top tube joints the seat tube. I recently upgraded to a 150mm KS and now have plenty of insertion. I'm 6' and am plenty comfortable on a medium, with a 70mm stem and 750mm bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THATmanMANNY View Post
    I can't wrap my head around why the reach on the prime is shorter than my large FS bike and why is the wheelbase around in inch longer than other similar 130mm 29er FS bikes?
    I agree that medium sounds like the best choice for you.

    Curious about what you meant by "reach" in your post, because it seems like sometimes people use that word casually without realizing that there is a geometry measurement called "reach" as in "reach and stack." I ask because you referenced ETT measurements of other bikes. With the half-dozen or so frames I've compared, the Prime generally has a longer reach for a given size. The ETT however, is often shorter.

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    Reach is what you feel and what you notice when you're off the saddle, and IMO, that's what you buy a bike like the Prime for anyway. The Prime's ETT is shorter because of the steep seattube angle, which I like. It gives me a more upright posture and centers me better for climbing. I frequently read advice on MTBR like "ETT is the only measurement that matters" and I really disagree with that when it comes to sizing an AM bike.
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    I would rather get a better fitting frame size and run a shorter stem. I am 6'4" and just ordered a XL, but have a 35mm stem to go on it. I will let you know how it feels after I get it built up.

    Oh yeah...I ride wide bars (780mm) as well...this makes a difference.
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    mtbr is being pretty awful. I see all the replies and then I log in and they disappear...

    Anyways…

    -sold 2008 Medium ReignX, 60 stem, stock bar (probably not wide enough at the time), little setback post, 23.2” ETT, 72 SA, 67 HA, 44.9” WB, 160mm+ travel

    I always felt crammed especially at the park and the WB wasn't long enough for stability


    -ride now 2011 Large Stumpy FSR, 35 stem no spacers, 745 bar (was thinking bout trimming down to 720 because there’s some tight trees here), straight post, 24.29” ETT, 74.5 SA, ~67 HA (running 160 talas), 45.16” WB, 140/160 travel

    I honestly feel the Stumpy is on point with the “reach” with my arms. And the bike’s stack 594 (23.36”) and reach 452 (17.8”). Yes I know what reach/stack dimensions are. The large Prime’s reach is 440 which is probably because of the 75 SA.

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    Manny, I’d be cautious making any decisions based off 26” bikes you’ve owned. The medium prime wheelbase is pushing 46” in slack mode, and the bigger wheels are way more stable, etc… it’s nearly endo proof. But you’ll also want to consider how your fit options affect cornering and getting the front end up.

    We are nearly the same dimensions- I’m 5-9” with a 32” inseam on my Levi’s, my saddle height is 29” from BB center to top of seat. 30” bars and a 50mm stem on mine. The medium frame is perfect with a 150mm drop Kindshock dropper post. On a large you’d be limiting your dropper post options to 5” or less. Fit is personal preference, but I really think you’d be compromising DH & technical handing to go large at your height.

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    Hey Guys,

    Former Rune rider, looking at getting into the Prime as an Aggressive trail/AM bike.

    Just curious what kind of weights you guys are getting on your builds?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmike9699 View Post
    Hey Guys,

    Former Rune rider, looking at getting into the Prime as an Aggressive trail/AM bike.

    Just curious what kind of weights you guys are getting on your builds?

    Thanks!
    -Mike
    I have mine down to 29.6 lbs. Should be able to get it down to 29 with the new Pike and XTR Trail brakes.

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    I had my size large at 30.1 with a CC dbAIR and Hans Dampfs, the frame is currently for sale in the classifieds if you are looking for a size large yellow.

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    L fox ctd, RS revelation, hope stem, carbon bar, ks 125 remote,
    Slx double trasmission, avis juicy 7 200-180, hope proII hubs, pacenti tl28 rims, nobbynik 2.25 and rubber Q 2.2 tires.

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    'had to post that I have finally got a second test ride in on a large (edit), and after my second day on the L, I am now changing my mind to the XL... I'm 6' 2.5" tall, and wear 34 inseam jeans. Since this is the production prime photo thread, I'll be sure to post photos once I have it....looking forward to the build
    Last edited by C.P.; 05-19-2013 at 11:46 AM.

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    Hey Guys,

    Ordering my Prime on Tuesday (Monday's a holiday up here in Canada). Does the bike come with the extra drop outs (particularly the 12x142)? The shop seemed to think the Expert build has the 135 rear end..??.. I'll have to wait till Tuesday to find out for sure I guess, but just curious if anyone knows.

    Thanks!

    -Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmike9699 View Post
    Hey Guys,

    Ordering my Prime on Tuesday (Monday's a holiday up here in Canada). Does the bike come with the extra drop outs (particularly the 12x142)? The shop seemed to think the Expert build has the 135 rear end..??.. I'll have to wait till Tuesday to find out for sure I guess, but just curious if anyone knows.

    Thanks!

    -Mike
    you will have to splash out extra Cash for the 142 and 150x12 dropout-kit.
    (the 150x12 kit came with it's own through-axle, not sure about the 142x12 though..)
    extra flip chips are included..

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    Rode about 40 km single/doubletrack last saturday with my ratty Prime. Love it and the feeling of the bike both ascending and descending.

    Will pimp it a bit later on! Photo taken in the commuter train station ready to board the train south to the train head. Finishing off 3 km from the appartment is really nice!
    Production Prime Photo/Build thread-banshee-handen-hellas.jpg

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