• 01-08-2013
    Znarf
    Sorry to bump again.

    Still no info about warranty and 150mm (or even 160mm) 29er forks on the Prime?

    I am so tempted to buy one :D


    Greetings Znarf
  • 01-09-2013
    Kreisel
    Are there 29er forks with 160mm?
  • 01-09-2013
    LyNx
    No single crown forks, unless they're prototypes that are being tested. You can get the Dorado, which I think when limited for 29er gets 170mm, but the warranty clearly states no dual crown forks for the Prime. There are the 26" F36 160mm forks with arch mods that some are using, not sure on if travel needs to be limited on those or warranty - Enel is running one on his Prime.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    Are there 29er forks with 160mm?

  • 01-09-2013
    Znarf
    No 160mm "official big brand" 29er forks - yet!

    Iīve read several times that one will be released by a big brand in summer 2013.

    @Lynx:
    Maybe I am blind (or stupid), but I canīt find warranty information on the prime on the Banshee site. Do you happen to have a link?
    Would be very thankful =)

    Greetings Znarf
  • 01-09-2013
    LyNx
    Yeah, I heard that rumor too and I guess at Sea Otter we'll find out - although that was the rumor last year as well though :skep:

    On the warranty, guess maybe it's that I've been talking with Keith about the Prime since early days and he's repeatedly stated it's not designed for such a fork and warranty would not cover dual crown forks. Best bet is to e-mail them and ask them directly.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    No 160mm "official big brand" 29er forks - yet!

    Iīve read several times that one will be released by a big brand in summer 2013.

    @Lynx:
    Maybe I am blind (or stupid), but I canīt find warranty information on the prime on the Banshee site. Do you happen to have a link?
    Would be very thankful =)

    Greetings Znarf

  • 01-09-2013
    builttoride
    Fork limit for the Prime is a 160mm single crown. If you run a double crown, or anything over 160mm then warranty will be void.

    Thanks,
    Keith
  • 01-10-2013
    Enel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    No single crown forks, unless they're prototypes that are being tested. You can get the Dorado, which I think when limited for 29er gets 170mm, but the warranty clearly states no dual crown forks for the Prime. There are the 26" F36 160mm forks with arch mods that some are using, not sure on if travel needs to be limited on those or warranty - Enel is running one on his Prime.

    Travel on my 36 fork is limited to 130mm, and A-C is identical to any 140mm 29" fork.

    After riding the Prime a bit I realize probably the only fork on the market stiff enough to match the frame is a Dorado.
  • 01-10-2013
    Znarf
    Great,

    Tranks for the Input, Keith!

    That will be my Park bike then :-)
  • 01-10-2013
    Enel
    I rode the Prime Back to back on a well known to me trail loop with my 2010 Stumpy FSR yesterday and it was eye opening.

    These bikes are identical except for:

    Fork: Reba 140 on the Stumpy and modded Fox 36 on the Prime;
    Wheels: 150mm X12 rear with 36 spoke wheels on the Prime compared to 135 bolt on rear and 32 spoke wheels on the Stumpy;
    Drivetrain: The stumpy has stump pulling low range supergranny drivetrain allowing gearing down to 20X26, the Prime is standard 32X22 front and 11/34 rear
    Weight: The Prime is about three pounds heavier between the wheels, fork and frame.

    Terrain was slow chunk/finesse stuff with a section of moderate speed (11-12mph), but very chunky descent. Climbs were similarly short, but chunky and quite steep at times requiring standing bursts and momentum to crest.

    The bikes ride/perform very similarly as they should given the numbers. I was no more capable or faster on one versus the other. This is good to me because I have been very pleased with the Specialized. However: these two bikes/builds could not feel more different from the standpoint of flex and general solidity. The Prime is hands down the stiffest frame I have ever ridden in any category. (Note: No time on serious DH or Freeride rigs).

    The difference is similar to the difference between a thin tubed steel rigid frame and a burly tubed aluminum frame. I felt like I had to have a bit more body english/anticipation of the flex with the Stumpjumper. It was not bad or unmanageable, it just felt completely different. If you have spent any time back to back on a burly longer travel AM bike versus a cross country race type bike, you will know exactly what I am talking about. I think the differences would be even more obvious at higher speeds as the stress on the frames increases.

    The Prime felt simply better planted than the Stumpy in all terrain and conditions. I think I had a wee bit more traction. It wasn't a mind blowing difference, but it was different. I am looking forward to dialing it in more, but I am quite comfortable on the Prime after only two rides.

    I played with the CCDB air and ended up at 25% sag (for me near 200 lbs geared up it was 110 psi), 80% (20 clicks) low speed rebound, 80%(20 clicks) low speed compression damping, zero HSC and about 15% (3/4 turn) HSR damping. After my trail ride, I am going to dial in a touch more HSR and HSC damping. I am getting pretty close.

    I hope to get the Prime down to South Mountain in Phoenix this weekend for a real thrashing.

    For now, I would absolutely recommend the Prime, especially if you weigh over 200lbs and/or have had issues with flex in other 29" frames. I am not sure a lighter primarily XC rider really needs what this frame offers (along with the associated weight penalty).
  • 01-10-2013
    jncarpenter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    I rode the Prime Back to back on a well known to me trail loop with my 2010 Stumpy FSR yesterday and it was eye opening.

    These bikes are identical except for:

    Fork: Reba 140 on the Stumpy and modded Fox 36 on the Prime;
    Wheels: 150mm X12 rear with 36 spoke wheels on the Prime compared to 135 bolt on rear and 32 spoke wheels on the Stumpy;
    Drivetrain: The stumpy has stump pulling low range supergranny drivetrain allowing gearing down to 20X26, the Prime is standard 32X22 front and 11/34 rear
    Weight: The Prime is about three pounds heavier between the wheels, fork and frame.

    Terrain was slow chunk/finesse stuff with a section of moderate speed (11-12mph), but very chunky descent. Climbs were similarly short, but chunky and quite steep at times requiring standing bursts and momentum to crest.

    The bikes ride/perform very similarly as they should given the numbers. I was no more capable or faster on one versus the other. This is good to me because I have been very pleased with the Specialized. However: these two bikes/builds could not feel more different from the standpoint of flex and general solidity. The Prime is hands down the stiffest frame I have ever ridden in any category. (Note: No time on serious DH or Freeride rigs).

    The difference is similar to the difference between a thin tubed steel rigid frame and a burly tubed aluminum frame. I felt like I had to have a bit more body english/anticipation of the flex with the Stumpjumper. It was not bad or unmanageable, it just felt completely different. If you have spent any time back to back on a burly longer travel AM bike versus a cross country race type bike, you will know exactly what I am talking about. I think the differences would be even more obvious at higher speeds as the stress on the frames increases.

    The Prime felt simply better planted than the Stumpy in all terrain and conditions. I think I had a wee bit more traction. It wasn't a mind blowing difference, but it was different. I am looking forward to dialing it in more, but I am quite comfortable on the Prime after only two rides.

    I played with the CCDB air and ended up at 25% sag (for me near 200 lbs geared up it was 110 psi), 80% (20 clicks) low speed rebound, 80%(20 clicks) low speed compression damping, zero HSC and about 15% (3/4 turn) HSR damping. After my trail ride, I am going to dial in a touch more HSR and HSC damping. I am getting pretty close.

    I hope to get the Prime down to South Mountain in Phoenix this weekend for a real thrashing.

    For now, I would absolutely recommend the Prime, especially if you weigh over 200lbs and/or have had issues with flex in other 29" frames. I am not sure a lighter primarily XC rider really needs what this frame offers (along with the associated weight penalty).

    Cool! :thumbsup:
    I figured you'd dig the uber-stiff chassis of the Prime. Now...if we could only get a suitable fork! :madman:
  • 01-10-2013
    Enel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Cool! :thumbsup:
    I figured you'd dig the uber-stiff chassis of the Prime. Now...if we could only get a suitable fork! :madman:

    Agreed. Imagine that. This frame really deserves a production fork worthy of it.
  • 01-10-2013
    sakucee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Enel View Post

    The bikes ride/perform very similarly as they should given the numbers. I was no more capable or faster on one versus the other. This is good to me because I have been very pleased with the Specialized. However: these two bikes/builds could not feel more different from the standpoint of flex and general solidity. The Prime is hands down the stiffest frame I have ever ridden in any category. (Note: No time on serious DH or Freeride rigs).

    Tomorrow i'm bolting on last XX1 bits, and then i have winter vacation at gravel-pit called Tenerife and a volcano called Teide, last time i was there with prime proto it kicked ass there, now i have 12mm bolt thru axle on rear and production frame...
  • 01-11-2013
    Enel
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    I got to ride an extremely fun ride called Goat Camp in Phoenix today.

    It starts with a steady 9 mile 2500 ft climb. The Prime proved a competent steady climber. I finally noticed the mechanical help the suspension gives in the pedaling department: with standing uphill spring type moves, the bike just squirts forward with minimal wallow. Not XC stiff, but it is nice.

    I like that the frame achieves this without so much stiffening that it loses traction on loose stuff. I personally prefer more traction with some pedal bob over great pedaling characteristics with traction loss.

    Anyhoo, it's a decent climber and took care of switchbacks and chunky sections as well as I could.

    The downhill on this ride is relentless, slow, chunky, loose, steep tech for three miles. I hesitate to show the video because it really can't do justice to the terrain. If slow tech is your thing, ride this trail. The Prime had no bad habits I could find under braking and rolling steep things into chunk.

    On the lower 1/2 mile of the descent I was finally able to open it up speed wise on smooth mixed with small chunk and that was a hoot.

    I have officially determined that the Specialized is out of a job. The Prime does everything just as well, and a few things decidedly better.
  • 01-12-2013
    Optimus
    Nice job on Goat Camp, Enel. Doesn't surprise me that you nailed the staircase, considering the type of riding that you typically do. :thumbsup: You are right, that video does not even come close to portraying that section accurately. There is a whole lot of serious pucker on Goat Camp.

    I'm finding similar with my newly installed DBair, lots of low speed dialed in, very little high speed, DBair is WAY better than the CTD.
  • 01-12-2013
    FM
    Enel, good to hear you're diggin' the bike- especially as I haven't ridden a SJ.

    Good review of the Prime in the new Bike magazine bible. Although I am a little confused by their apparent bias towards 26" trail/xc bikes over 29" AM bikes. Personal preference!

    Just threw a KS Lev 150 on my Prime. Breaking in a new local feature- we tweaked the run-in after this so more speed can be carried (basically fast walking speed shown here).

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10323561@N07/8328579256/" title="IMG_4925 by emailsucks98, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8219/8328579256_1a52edc489_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="IMG_4925"></a>
  • 01-12-2013
    eurospek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by FM View Post

    Good review of the Prime in the new Bike magazine bible.

    Got mine yesterday, and while a ton of bike is reviewed, I somewhat enjoyed last year's Bible a whole lot more.
  • 01-12-2013
    Enel
    Finally got time to upload another GC vid from Friday's ride.

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  • 01-12-2013
    Enel
    Need more pics in this thread. Keep it up.
  • 01-12-2013
    Optimus
    Good stuff Enel, and FM. :thumbsup:
  • 01-13-2013
    Enel
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    Big bro versus little bro.

    I bounced a bit on the Rune and it is sweet. Mikey sez it pretty much blows his Nomad away. I am very jealous if the Lyric fork.
  • 01-14-2013
    evasive
  • 01-14-2013
    FM
    Thanks for posting that, much more detail than the magazine copy. Good review!
  • 01-14-2013
    Znarf
    Nice pictures, nice bikes and beautiful trails!


    @Enel:
    I currently ride a 2011 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er, which is identical frame wise to your 2010 as far as I know. I'd be very interested in the weight difference between those two frames.

    You didn't weigh the frames by chance? ;-)

    Does the Prime climb as good at the Stumpjumper?

    Thanks a lot for all the good intel so far!


    Greetings Znarf
  • 01-14-2013
    Enel
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    Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    Nice pictures, nice bikes and beautiful trails!


    @Enel:
    I currently ride a 2011 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er, which is identical frame wise to your 2010 as far as I know. I'd be very interested in the weight difference between those two frames.

    You didn't weigh the frames by chance? ;-)

    Does the Prime climb as good at the Stumpjumper?

    Thanks a lot for all the good intel so far!


    Greetings Znarf


    Prime climbs just as well and more planted in chunk. I don't know the weight difference. But I imagine it is around a pound. Weight below includes dropouts and CCDBa shock.

    I don't think the Prime will change your life over the Stumpy, but it is a nice upgrade. The lighter you are the less difference you will notice, IMO.
  • 01-14-2013
    Znarf
    Thanks!

    Yeah, my Stumpjumper is actually doing great. I keep saying to myself that I will "upgrade" in 2014.

    I see some sort of new bike in 2013 though =)

    Greetings Znarf