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    I guess I need to throw up some pics of my yellow demon now that I have the Enve AM's and DBair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    it's too bad it looks like sun only uses stan's bead hook design on their complete wheelsets. it may be hard to keep them from burbing without that
    You're right, I completely missed that. We'll see what a few more wraps of tape will do. Worst case, I buy some Flow EX's. Cool thing about building your own wheels, doesn't cost much as long as you're reusing your hub.

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    Banshee Prime, Medium
    CCDBair
    Fox Float 34, 140mm
    Bars: Enve DH, 29.5"
    Stem: Thomson 50mm
    Brakes: XTR
    Shifters: X0
    Ft. Derailleur: X0
    Rear Derailleur: X9 type2
    Cranks: XT, 175mm, Gamut bash guard
    Pedals: eThirteen
    Seatpost: KS Lev, 125mm
    Seatpost clamp: Thomson
    Saddle: Chromag
    Wheels: King/Enve AM
    Tires: F - Hans Dampf 2.35, R - Nobby Nic 2.25, tubeless

    Weight: 32 lbs
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    Nice looking Prime Marshall, would have expected it to be less weight though with those carbon rims, bar and general build, makes me not feel too bad about my pre-production siting right around 34lbs with Pro2/Flow wheels and full XT build. Wanted to get one of those Hans Dampf tyres so bad, glad I didn't waste the $70-90 though as they don't last worth $hit on our coralstone - guy came down with his own bike, had one on the front, knobs started to rip off when we were out on the cliff edge "rock crawlin", Nobby Nic on his friends bike held up just fine.
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    New RS 2014 Pike

    A new fork is out that I think will complement the burliness of the Prime.
    Riding RockShox's New 2014 Pike - First Look - Pinkbike

    35mm stanchions and 140mm to 160mm of travel. And, it'd look sweet fully blacked out on the black Prime frame.




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    I like that idea. I'm digging my murdered look bike, kinda wish I could get my marzocchi in the old school all black look. I still have a Pike, lowered to like 70-110mm travel (u-turn version). I can't manage to kill it, 6 seasons on the street hardtail, some time on the XC/all-mountain hardtail (on 140mm mode), open 2 times, change oil, ride again. I like the concept of closed dampers, but on real life, I still love the simplicity of open bath
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    We all knew it was coming, took longer than I expected. Nice to have another fork with bigger stanchions, but it still looks like RS is following their thinking that no one rides in the mud and muck as I don't see much clearance with the tyres they were running to allow for mud - hated this about all of my previous RS forks, no such issue with the Fox.
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    A new fork is out that I think will complement the burliness of the Prime.
    Riding RockShox's New 2014 Pike - First Look - Pinkbike

    35mm stanchions and 140mm to 160mm of travel. And, it'd look sweet fully blacked out on the black Prime frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    A new fork is out that I think will complement the burliness of the Prime.
    Riding RockShox's New 2014 Pike - First Look - Pinkbike

    35mm stanchions and 140mm to 160mm of travel. And, it'd look sweet fully blacked out on the black Prime frame.




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    This pertains to my interests. Thanks for posting.

    Edited to add: No 20mm option? How freaking lame is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    This pertains to my interests. Thanks for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    There's no way around it, a 29'er will almost always have a longer wheelbase than a 26'er with similar geometry & features. That is what I meant by "ride bigger" and why I said "When in doubt, downsize" on a 29'er.

    I try to separate bike fit from bike handling. Smaller bikes generally handle better, which is why 4x/slalom racers generally size down, right? But many people prefer the fit of longer cockpits for longer rides. It's personal preference. Me, I value bike handling over bike fit... also I find I don't need a long top tube or long stem to keep the front wheel down while climbing on a 29'er... so for me, I like my 29'ers a bit smaller than my 26" bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    No 20mm option? How freaking lame is that.
    No 20mm option and no coil option. I was hoping for that.

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    Thanks Enel

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    If anyone has a xl frame they want to sale shoot me a pm. No shock is fine.

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    definitely want the Pike on my bike, maybe the next one if not current (Prime is the er, prime candidate) but i do question the clearance on the bridge, wow, why so tight??

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    In the 9 years I've been MTBing it seems that that is the RS way They make great forks, but clearance is always an issue with them, for either big rubber or mud That's why I like my current F34 and X-Fusion forks, they have gobs of clearance for big tyres AND mud.
    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    definitely want the Pike on my bike, maybe the next one if not current (Prime is the er, prime candidate) but i do question the clearance on the bridge, wow, why so tight??
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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread-img_0006.jpgtah-dah
    The yellow beast has finally landed on my sofa.
    has been 2 month long journey, so she's pretty tired,
    will have some days rest before taking her to action.

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    what size ?

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    Large

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    Prime time

    Here's a redundant post, but I thought the prime should show itself here too.

    Well my Prime got hear yesterday. After a brief issue with the headset she's up and running. Our first romp in the dirt is tomorrow. If my initial impressions hold true I'm in for a wild ride . Here are the build specs.

    Frame: large raw
    Fork: fox float 34mm 140mm
    Rear shock: fox ctd
    Components: shimano xt 2x10
    Crank: race face atlas 175mm 26x38
    Wheels: Stan's flow ex
    Hubs: industry 9 torch
    Stem: race face atlas 50mm
    Bars: race face atlas 785mm (probably going to cut these down a bit)
    Seat post: reverb
    Pedals: black spire
    Weight: just shy of 32lbs

    More insights to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    Large
    sure looks like a XL, judging from that seat post gusset and comparing with RedRiver's large..

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    there must be some weight discrepancy in the frames. a size large with that build and flows and big rubber, a dropper post, and in just shy of 32 pounds? seems dam light compared to some of the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    there must be some weight discrepancy in the frames. a size large with that build and flows and big rubber, a dropper post, and in just shy of 32 pounds? seems dam light compared to some of the others.
    I was at the dealer last week ordering my new Spitfire frame and they had a new yellow Prime frame hanging on the wall. Stunning for sure! I asked them to weigh it for kicks and giggles. Just the frame, no shock (just the support bar), no axle, no flip chips or dropouts, no head cups or anything. Size large was 7lbs 10oz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofoed View Post
    sure looks like a XL, judging from that seat post gusset and comparing with RedRiver's large..
    My size large yellow frame looks just like his. I think it's the angle of the pic that makes the gusset look different.

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    My Prime:

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    It's size large and I'm 189/94cm. On picture is a 30mm Syntace stem, but after 2 rides I'm not sure to keep it or change to 50mm. For real slow tech riding the short stem feels good, but for faster trails and uphill the 50mm will be better. I have to test.

    The Prime really loves challenging trails, up & down. Don't miss my FR bike and got a used Legend instead for DH. I like how the Prime doesn't feel sluggish neither at accelerating nor laying the bike from side to side and even the front is easy to lift considering the long chainstays (compared to 26").

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    that black bike looks stunning. wow. XTR cranks, nothing spared eh mate? what wheelset? please bore us geeks with the necessary (not) weight as well. nice photo over all, the terrain in the background looks very Prime-centric. looks like the north shore corridor, but i could be way off of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by cunningstunts View Post
    that black bike looks stunning. wow. XTR cranks, nothing spared eh mate? what wheelset? please bore us geeks with the necessary (not) weight as well. nice photo over all, the terrain in the background looks very Prime-centric. looks like the north shore corridor, but i could be way off of course.
    You are only a little off - this is in europe, austrian alps, where I live.

    Weight is approx. 14,5 kg - not super light due to the "strong" frame and built as a do-it-all bike (except DH). A lot of parts I've taken from my previous bike:

    - Banshee Prime size L
    - Fox 34 Float
    - Selfbuild wheels: CK ISO 142, e13 TRS+, Flow EX, Sapim CX-Ray
    - Schwalbe HansDampf 2.35 mounted tubeless with Stan's
    - Shimano XTR Trail brakes 203/180mm
    - Shimano XTR cranks (old) 24/36/bash
    - Syntace no. 9 pedals
    - Shimano XT 11-36 cassette
    - Sram X.9 medium cage rear der.
    - Sram X.9 S3 3x10 front der.
    - Sram X.0/X.9 trigger
    - Bionicon C-Guide (commercial ghetto chain guide)
    - Syntace Megaforce 30mm stem
    - Renthal Fatbar 20/750mm
    - ODI rough grips
    - KindShock LEV 150 hydraulic seatpost
    - WTB Devo saddle

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    that's a light build, impressive. i would have guessed European alps, looks amazing. must be quite the trail network nearby, very nice. looks steep! a nice slack 29er territory!

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    Anybody knows if it's possible to use this QR axle on Prime's 142x12 dropouts ?

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    No that axle will not work as it uses syntace standard (Conical on non drive side end). The 142 dropouts use Maxle standard, which has a square end profile.
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    Thanks.
    I will use the original now and with time I will see if a QR is really needed.

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    It has arrived, not quite finished yet though..
    XL frame
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    Straitline 50m stem
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    LIKE Man, when you stand next to it it seems so big huh in the XL size, even to us tall guys, I referred to mine as Beast when I first built it, but when you take photos or just step back, it just looks so natural and balanced in proportion to the 29" wheels. How tall are you? What inseam? I think I finally settled on 65mm as the ideal stem length for me with my FUNN 785mm Fatboy DH bar.
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    It has arrived, not quite finished yet though..
    XL frame...............your basic sweet build
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    6'3'' (192 cm), 34 inseam
    So glad I didn't went with the large.
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    Your build list states XL, your post says L, which is it?
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    6'3'' (192 cm), 34 inseam
    So glad I didn't went with the large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Your build list states XL, your post says L, which is it?
    The frame is a XL, I was in doubt about which size to get - but the XL is spot on, just glad i did not buy it in a size large.

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    Sorry, your english got me and I misread, my bad. Yeah, the XL looks small on you even. Curious what bike(s) you had before and what you think of this, especially in the XL size with the 48" WB?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kofoed View Post
    The frame is a XL, I was in doubt about which size to get - but the XL is spot on, just glad i did not buy it in a size large.
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    been riding this for a while, approx same head angle and reach as the Prime. (it's an Ari cycles custom steel frame + WB 150 fluid).
    It is now being converted to singlespeed, so I don't go and get to lazy on the fully
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofoed View Post
    6'3'' (192 cm), 34 inseam
    So glad I didn't went with the large.
    I'm the same dimensions, the XL fits perfect with a 60 mm stem. I'd be so cramped on a L...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofoed View Post
    been riding this for a while, approx same head angle and reach as the Prime. (it's an Ari cycles custom steel frame + WB 150 fluid).
    It is now being converted to singlespeed, so I don't go and get to lazy on the fully
    Good idea, Kofoed. Although the Prime responds very well to short standing bursts to get up through a little tech, it can be a little mushy for sustained standing climbs, you will start sitting more. On the other hand, for sustained climbs, even very chunky and steep climbs, as long as you have legs enough, low gear seated grinding WILL get you through just about everything. Hands down, my Prime is the most capable allround bike that I have ever ridden.

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    First real ride tomorrow, sooooo looking forward to it.. (sadly I have to work all sunday:-S)
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    You're right, I completely missed that. We'll see what a few more wraps of tape will do. Worst case, I buy some Flow EX's. Cool thing about building your own wheels, doesn't cost much as long as you're reusing your hub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Optimus: any update on your tubeless experience?
    Yes, as a matter of fact, after a few rides now, they are still burping. I was sort of hoping that after the tires had been mounted a while, the bead would kind of "stick". The more that I think about it though, the less thrilled that I am about cobbling these rims to get them to work for me. I'm a little disappointed with myself for not realizing that these are not fully tubeless compatible rims before I bought them, because otherwise I think that they are a very nicely manufactured and heavy duty rim. My last ride, which was a pretty chunky descent, I found myself being very conscious of the fact that my tires were not seated optimally, and I was riding in an appropriately subdued manner. I'll probably order some new rims today, probably some Flow EX's.

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    Production Prime Photo/Build thread-p4pb9474661.jpg

    Chainguide is off, North Shore billet ring and clutch mech take care of that. (and the ring isn't even xx1 style).

    Bontranger rhytim tubeless strips let me run the light-bicycle.com carbon rims like a true tubeless, no more burping.

    The more I ride it, the better it feels. It deserves a shorter stem, and I wanted bottle cage mounts.

    Also considering getting an angle slacker headset. I like the high position a lot, but the head angle needs to be like the low/slack one.

    Is there any place I can drill my frame for stealth cable routing without voiding warranty xD ? I wouldn't mind much sending it back to have that done. This is mostly due to the new 150mm reverb only coming in stealth. I can't get my hands on a 150mm KS Lev, which should do the job fine (I don't live in US, and getting stuff from there usually ends up in 45-60% taxes, and that would bring a seatpost to 600$ range xD )
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    Thanks for the reply. I've never tried tubeless, and from what I'd read so far, my MTX-33s aren't the way to start out, even ghetto.

    G_g, that looks awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I've never tried tubeless, and from what I'd read so far, my MTX-33s aren't the way to start out, even ghetto.

    G_g, that looks awesome!
    The bontranger strips are different to most other options, they have a set of inner lips, creating a ust rim profile. I pumped up the hans dampf on the front with a mini pump (my mini pump is the size of a co2 cartridge, it serves dual purpose as I can use it with or without the co2. Since I only used the co2 once, and never ever used that again, I'm always using that in the hand pump mode). I never thought that would be possible without true ust rims and tires...

    I'll be making phantom'esque decals for my prime, black on black.
    At least now I have practice removing the stock white ones, so cleaning the head tube one and the small part that says prime should be an half an hour job.
    I kinda want a black reveb and the new Rock Shox pike (all black) xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I've never tried tubeless, and from what I'd read so far, my MTX-33s aren't the way to start out, even ghetto.

    G_g, that looks awesome!
    Just discovered this morning that WTB is to be releasing a Frequency i25, I would consider rolling that as opposed to a Flow. I had no issues with the i23's that I built, other than the fact that I could feel them flexing just a bit, but otherwise a very nice rim, still dented kind of easy though even with their "different" alloy.

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    I have a couple of questions, I'm thinking getting a prime frame but want to know if I get the 142x12 rear axle option does it come with the axle? And what head set have you guys been using.
    It's go time

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    Yes it comes with an axle.
    I'm running a CK inset 2, CC headsets are great too or if $$ are an issue go with Banshees house brand.

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