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    Prime Participation

    it is real !
    after 9 long months of anticipation, it finally delivered.
    looks great. will post more during the next day.
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    Nice!

    That DHX Air looks weird.. low air volume sleeve 2010/11?

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    SWEEET!!! Congrats!
    Is that the Float 34? Surprised it's black...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Is that the Float 34? Surprised it's black...
    Yeah, I thought it's Float = white and Talas = black. Maybe that's only for the 2012s.

    Is that a headset and crown race already installed? Looking forward to your build pictures!
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    Lookin' good. Mazal Tov

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    Green with ENVY! please keep the pics coming and ride reports!!!
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    Hmm, a non-kashima DHX Air? Might be a good thing though, those tend to blow through their mid-stroke pretty easily as it is, the kashima might make that worse.

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    is that a medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Yeah, I thought it's Float = white and Talas = black. Maybe that's only for the 2012s.

    Is that a headset and crown race already installed? Looking forward to your build pictures!
    I wonder if it is like when I got my Spitfire frame, it was listed as coming with a Revelation Dual Air and I got a U-Turn. Maybe the frames will have a TALAS 34 (is there a crossed fingers emoticon soemwhere?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclekittykiller View Post
    is that a medium?
    Based on the hardtail in the background, I'm guessing it's an XL

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    its a M

    Hey guys
    The black fox float was a surprise as like as the non kashima dhx5.
    it also built like a dh rig and weigh accordingly (9lb on a home scale).
    the headset was installed first thing at my LBS just after I got the frame.it a superstar headset.
    hhmmm, the hardtail on the back is a 18" ragley bagger 288 which I converted it to a 69er ss.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/650b-69er-new...st8844814.html
    well, time to get back to bed
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    Actually sounds about right on the weight, considering a .4lb headset and 1lb shock are included- that puts the bare frame right around the target weight of 7.5lbs.
    Not light but should be a sweet ride. Thanks for the pics and keep us posted!

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    iscg what ?

    no blackspire for you
    installed a bb mount 2 chain guide by blackspire. still dont have the front der so have no insights of that issue.
    16 kg complete (no frontder and shifter) with saint brakes 203 f+r,
    shimano hone rear hub+rear der = a lot of weight but no shuttered der and der hanger
    blunt rims. slx crank and front hub. xt cassete , shifter and pedals.
    should have been white fork. will change the stem nd bar for black.
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    That's hot!

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    super nice looking! can't wait for a ride report

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    Yeah, looks great!
    I wonder if some dremel work would resolve the chainguide issue?
    I have an MRP G2 waiting, and I'm a little skeptical if will fit, we'll see.

    Ditto on the black fork totally throwing of my color coordination

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    Kinda glad that the forks are black, pretty tired of white forks myself.
    Looks Great!

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    Put a Talas on my Paradox, simply because it was black, I never use the 100mm setting. Sure wish you prototype types would stop goofing around and get these frames thrashed out so the rest of us can get one.

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    That's one sick looking bike!

    Nice mod on the Bagger too. I wonder if my PigX will take a 29er fork as well. Hmmm....
    Hey man, wanna go for a klunk?

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    So what size frame is that? Or did I miss it somewhere in this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    So what size frame is that? Or did I miss it somewhere in this thread?
    He stated it is a medium.

    Nice looking bike! Built pretty beefy...when they finally become publicly available, looks like I'll be able to build it fairly light without having to use any crazy light parts (thinking around 30-31 lbs).
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    AWESOME........field test field test...heheheh

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    Lookin good!

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    Thanks for sharing Guyg! A couple more questions for you: 1) I presume you aren't located in the US? I'm able to be happy for you and not insanely jealous under the presumption that you live in a location either closer to the mfg site and/or a country with less restrictive import duty red tape? 2) What size are those tires? They look a tight fit...do you think mud might pack up in the BB area or near those struts?

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    Thanks for sharing Guyg! A couple more questions for you: 1) I presume you aren't located in the US? I'm able to be happy for you and not insanely jealous under the presumption that you live in a location either closer to the mfg site and/or a country with less restrictive import duty red tape? 2) What size are those tires? They look a tight fit...do you think mud might pack up in the BB area or near those struts?

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    To the OP, I'm damn jealous, wish mine would ship or show - not sure if it's shipped and I don't know, they did this to me with my Paradox, just showed up one day when I wasn't expecting it so soon. Trails here are in superb condition as we are getting a bit of rain nearly every night and good sunshine during the day and temps are nice and cool between 26-28C Also just got my tyres for it and gave them a whirl on the steepest, slickest DH trail we have and they worked fantastic. Headset and few other goodies for it are in the mail, should be here maybe this week.

    On the fork, I asked Jon/Keith what colour they'd be and they said black So don't worry about getting a white one.
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    Ardents F+R

    rear - lust 2.25
    front - exo 2.4
    I have also a 2.35 rampage on hold. there is relatively alot of space as shown in the attached pics. I think that the middle brace will be your mud shedding device.

    I live on the other side of the mfg - TEL AVIV ISRAEL.
    It was sent on the 23 - received on the 30. here we have only Vat on bike stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    I wonder if some dremel work would resolve the chainguide issue?
    Looks like a Hammerschmidt is out of the question??


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Looks like a Hammerschmidt is out of the question??
    If it pedals anything like the Spitfire, I can guarantee you that regardless of fit you would not want to run a Hammerschmidt on this frame.

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    Guyg, tell the frame price)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valamorn View Post
    Guyg, tell the frame price)
    The current batch of Primes are essentially prototypes, the retail price probably hasn't been set yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    If it pedals anything like the Spitfire, I can guarantee you that regardless of fit you would not want to run a Hammerschmidt on this frame.
    Is that a good or a bad thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaintPeelinPbody View Post
    Is that a good or a bad thing?
    Neither really, it's just that the Hammerschmidt doesn't work well with most linkage bikes. They are designed to work best around an average middle ring diameter (32 -36T), the Hammerschmidt is pretty small and works best with bikes with a low pivot point in relation to the bottom bracket - many single pivot bikes and some horst links. If Sram made the 'schmidt with a larger chainring diameter that would change things.

    Edit; Just wondering if SRAM is still actually manufacturing the 'Schmidt, it was hard to find in their 2012 website and they have no changes since 2009 - graphics are still the same even. I'd be guessing that they are just selling off what they have left, I know all the guys that I know that ran them have ditched them due to the constant drag and extra weight.
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    The Prime is designed to work best around 30-32tooth range due to the fact that it is a 29er so in general smaller chainrings will be used. But yes, the hammerschimdt is not a good design for any bike with a rearward axle path because the chain stretch gives more pedal kickback with a smaller chainring. The Prime does't have as much chain stretch as rune or spitfire, so it will work better with hammerschimdt, but personally I don't recommend it as I don't personally like hammerschmidt (half for the pedal kickback reasons, and half for the drag / weight / cost).
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    So is that to say that the Prime may not be a good granny gear climber?

    EDIT: I think its meant to be a 1x9 or similar, not that I look at it. Which is fine, considering I've been riding and love 1x9 for the last 3 years.

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    Another way to look at it, is that most suspension designs will require a compromise in suspension performance in order to play well with the hammerschmidt....most people don't desend in their granny gear

    I am considering building a prime with this;




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    Thanks for the shots from these angles--yes, definitely a lot of room for the rear tire. Checking my doorstep every day! Cannot wait!

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    Hey GuyG, you've had your Prime for 4+ days now, any initial impressions?

    You know, I honestly don't doubt that you might give this a go I'm just going to be happy when I get mine as I have everything I need for it to build and be rideable (headset and hub end caps just arrived). Will have to run it 1x for the time being until I get an FD for it or just manually switch between rings like I've done before, while again, awaiting an FD for a bike.


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    Another way to look at it, is that most suspension designs will require a compromise in suspension performance in order to play well with the hammerschmidt....most people don't desend in their granny gear

    I am considering building a prime with this;
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    Hey what stem lenth are you Med frame guys planning on running? Thanks..CF.

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    Hey Fred,
    I am going to run this sweet Generic 1 1/8" Threadless Mountain Road Comfort Bike Stem 11.5cm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Hey Fred,
    I am going to run this sweet Generic 1 1/8" Threadless Mountain Road Comfort Bike Stem 11.5cm!
    HOLY *****!!!! I was thinking bout running the very same thing...............CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZY FRED View Post
    Hey what stem lenth are you Med frame guys planning on running? Thanks..CF.
    I'm running this stem (50mm). I've decided to go with black, though. Would you like my blue one?



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    I think CF has more than enough of that sort of stuff lying around, you should send it down south to a needed "3rd worlder" Nice stem BTW, what length is that, 50mm? [edit, NM, it's marked on it] Don't think I could go that short, but then again I never thought I'd use a stem under 100mm either


    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    I'm running this stem (50mm). I've decided to go with black, though. Would you like my blue one?



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    I'm really liking this frame, but why not 140mm? As a described AM/FR type frame, wouldn't 140mm be more appropriate? It's a good match for the current 140mm forks, but longer travel models are in the works from Fox (and possibly others) for 2013.

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    CS length i'd imagine.

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    If it's anything like Banshee's other minilink bikes....the suspension will feel deeper than the numbers suggest. The 150mm travel rune suspension feels comparable to 170mm SP bikes I have owned previously in the rough... however it pedals a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    If it's anything like Banshee's other minilink bikes....the suspension will feel deeper than the numbers suggest. The 150mm travel rune suspension feels comparable to 170mm SP bikes I have owned previously in the rough... however it pedals a lot better.
    don't know what you mean by their other mini link bikes. my spitfire felt like a 5" travel bike. it's low and slack but it certainly never felt like it had more than 5" of travel. as far as the rune, it feels like a 6" bike too. i can still bottom it out and it can get overwhelmed on big stuff. nothing is magical about the suspension. it's good, pedals well outside of the granny but it feels like what it is.

    i doubt the prime is going to feel like it has way more than 130mm of travel. they went with that because its what they chose to do. i imagine after its release if people are still wanting more travel they'll make another model or revision. let's let them get the prime to production and actually get some reviews on it before we clamour for more travel and changes

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    Feels like 5", 6", relative to what? Feel is subjective and totally depends on shock choice, set-up and personal preference. Essentially what I was getting at below is that ANY bike with anti-squat will feel firmer while pedaling, saving the bottom half of the travel for bigger hits, compared to a bike with less anti-squat.

    To me, that makes a bike "feel deeper than the numbers suggest". Some people like that anti-squat feel and others don't, I happen to like it personally. YMMV.

    I agree there's not much point anylizing a bike which hasn't been ridden yet.
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    Because your description does not match Keith's description of what the bike is According to Keith the Prime is a Trail/AM bike, no where in there is this bike meant for FR and he's said that good few times. As to why, I believe he felt that too many compromises had to be made to go longer and that this segment of the market is the most popular as far as 29ers go, so good place to start, as well as not many fork options for longer.

    As to feeling like more, the big wheels will add to this feeling and while nothing can replace actual travel, then milder angle of attack a 29er has really does help smooth things out a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    I'm really liking this frame, but why not 140mm? As a described AM/FR type frame, wouldn't 140mm be more appropriate? It's a good match for the current 140mm forks, but longer travel models are in the works from Fox (and possibly others) for 2013.
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