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    it is real !
    after 9 long months of anticipation, it finally delivered.
    looks great. will post more during the next day.
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    Nice!

    That DHX Air looks weird.. low air volume sleeve 2010/11?

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    SWEEET!!! Congrats!
    Is that the Float 34? Surprised it's black...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Is that the Float 34? Surprised it's black...
    Yeah, I thought it's Float = white and Talas = black. Maybe that's only for the 2012s.

    Is that a headset and crown race already installed? Looking forward to your build pictures!

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    Lookin' good. Mazal Tov

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    Green with ENVY! please keep the pics coming and ride reports!!!
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    Hmm, a non-kashima DHX Air? Might be a good thing though, those tend to blow through their mid-stroke pretty easily as it is, the kashima might make that worse.

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    is that a medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Yeah, I thought it's Float = white and Talas = black. Maybe that's only for the 2012s.

    Is that a headset and crown race already installed? Looking forward to your build pictures!
    I wonder if it is like when I got my Spitfire frame, it was listed as coming with a Revelation Dual Air and I got a U-Turn. Maybe the frames will have a TALAS 34 (is there a crossed fingers emoticon soemwhere?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclekittykiller View Post
    is that a medium?
    Based on the hardtail in the background, I'm guessing it's an XL

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    its a M

    Hey guys
    The black fox float was a surprise as like as the non kashima dhx5.
    it also built like a dh rig and weigh accordingly (9lb on a home scale).
    the headset was installed first thing at my LBS just after I got the frame.it a superstar headset.
    hhmmm, the hardtail on the back is a 18" ragley bagger 288 which I converted it to a 69er ss.
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    well, time to get back to bed
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    Actually sounds about right on the weight, considering a .4lb headset and 1lb shock are included- that puts the bare frame right around the target weight of 7.5lbs.
    Not light but should be a sweet ride. Thanks for the pics and keep us posted!

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    iscg what ?

    no blackspire for you
    installed a bb mount 2 chain guide by blackspire. still dont have the front der so have no insights of that issue.
    16 kg complete (no frontder and shifter) with saint brakes 203 f+r,
    shimano hone rear hub+rear der = a lot of weight but no shuttered der and der hanger
    blunt rims. slx crank and front hub. xt cassete , shifter and pedals.
    should have been white fork. will change the stem nd bar for black.
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    That's hot!

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    super nice looking! can't wait for a ride report

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    Yeah, looks great!
    I wonder if some dremel work would resolve the chainguide issue?
    I have an MRP G2 waiting, and I'm a little skeptical if will fit, we'll see.

    Ditto on the black fork totally throwing of my color coordination

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    Kinda glad that the forks are black, pretty tired of white forks myself.
    Looks Great!

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    Put a Talas on my Paradox, simply because it was black, I never use the 100mm setting. Sure wish you prototype types would stop goofing around and get these frames thrashed out so the rest of us can get one.

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    That's one sick looking bike!

    Nice mod on the Bagger too. I wonder if my PigX will take a 29er fork as well. Hmmm....
    Hey man, wanna go for a klunk?

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    So what size frame is that? Or did I miss it somewhere in this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    So what size frame is that? Or did I miss it somewhere in this thread?
    He stated it is a medium.

    Nice looking bike! Built pretty beefy...when they finally become publicly available, looks like I'll be able to build it fairly light without having to use any crazy light parts (thinking around 30-31 lbs).
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    AWESOME........field test field test...heheheh

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    Lookin good!

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    Thanks for sharing Guyg! A couple more questions for you: 1) I presume you aren't located in the US? I'm able to be happy for you and not insanely jealous under the presumption that you live in a location either closer to the mfg site and/or a country with less restrictive import duty red tape? 2) What size are those tires? They look a tight fit...do you think mud might pack up in the BB area or near those struts?

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    Thanks for sharing Guyg! A couple more questions for you: 1) I presume you aren't located in the US? I'm able to be happy for you and not insanely jealous under the presumption that you live in a location either closer to the mfg site and/or a country with less restrictive import duty red tape? 2) What size are those tires? They look a tight fit...do you think mud might pack up in the BB area or near those struts?

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    To the OP, I'm damn jealous, wish mine would ship or show - not sure if it's shipped and I don't know, they did this to me with my Paradox, just showed up one day when I wasn't expecting it so soon. Trails here are in superb condition as we are getting a bit of rain nearly every night and good sunshine during the day and temps are nice and cool between 26-28C Also just got my tyres for it and gave them a whirl on the steepest, slickest DH trail we have and they worked fantastic. Headset and few other goodies for it are in the mail, should be here maybe this week.

    On the fork, I asked Jon/Keith what colour they'd be and they said black So don't worry about getting a white one.
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    Ardents F+R

    rear - lust 2.25
    front - exo 2.4
    I have also a 2.35 rampage on hold. there is relatively alot of space as shown in the attached pics. I think that the middle brace will be your mud shedding device.

    I live on the other side of the mfg - TEL AVIV ISRAEL.
    It was sent on the 23 - received on the 30. here we have only Vat on bike stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    I wonder if some dremel work would resolve the chainguide issue?
    Looks like a Hammerschmidt is out of the question??


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Looks like a Hammerschmidt is out of the question??
    If it pedals anything like the Spitfire, I can guarantee you that regardless of fit you would not want to run a Hammerschmidt on this frame.

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    Guyg, tell the frame price)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valamorn View Post
    Guyg, tell the frame price)
    The current batch of Primes are essentially prototypes, the retail price probably hasn't been set yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    If it pedals anything like the Spitfire, I can guarantee you that regardless of fit you would not want to run a Hammerschmidt on this frame.
    Is that a good or a bad thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaintPeelinPbody View Post
    Is that a good or a bad thing?
    Neither really, it's just that the Hammerschmidt doesn't work well with most linkage bikes. They are designed to work best around an average middle ring diameter (32 -36T), the Hammerschmidt is pretty small and works best with bikes with a low pivot point in relation to the bottom bracket - many single pivot bikes and some horst links. If Sram made the 'schmidt with a larger chainring diameter that would change things.

    Edit; Just wondering if SRAM is still actually manufacturing the 'Schmidt, it was hard to find in their 2012 website and they have no changes since 2009 - graphics are still the same even. I'd be guessing that they are just selling off what they have left, I know all the guys that I know that ran them have ditched them due to the constant drag and extra weight.
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    The Prime is designed to work best around 30-32tooth range due to the fact that it is a 29er so in general smaller chainrings will be used. But yes, the hammerschimdt is not a good design for any bike with a rearward axle path because the chain stretch gives more pedal kickback with a smaller chainring. The Prime does't have as much chain stretch as rune or spitfire, so it will work better with hammerschimdt, but personally I don't recommend it as I don't personally like hammerschmidt (half for the pedal kickback reasons, and half for the drag / weight / cost).
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    So is that to say that the Prime may not be a good granny gear climber?

    EDIT: I think its meant to be a 1x9 or similar, not that I look at it. Which is fine, considering I've been riding and love 1x9 for the last 3 years.

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    Another way to look at it, is that most suspension designs will require a compromise in suspension performance in order to play well with the hammerschmidt....most people don't desend in their granny gear

    I am considering building a prime with this;




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    Thanks for the shots from these angles--yes, definitely a lot of room for the rear tire. Checking my doorstep every day! Cannot wait!

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    Hey GuyG, you've had your Prime for 4+ days now, any initial impressions?

    You know, I honestly don't doubt that you might give this a go I'm just going to be happy when I get mine as I have everything I need for it to build and be rideable (headset and hub end caps just arrived). Will have to run it 1x for the time being until I get an FD for it or just manually switch between rings like I've done before, while again, awaiting an FD for a bike.


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    Another way to look at it, is that most suspension designs will require a compromise in suspension performance in order to play well with the hammerschmidt....most people don't desend in their granny gear

    I am considering building a prime with this;
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    Hey what stem lenth are you Med frame guys planning on running? Thanks..CF.

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    Hey Fred,
    I am going to run this sweet Generic 1 1/8" Threadless Mountain Road Comfort Bike Stem 11.5cm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Hey Fred,
    I am going to run this sweet Generic 1 1/8" Threadless Mountain Road Comfort Bike Stem 11.5cm!
    HOLY *****!!!! I was thinking bout running the very same thing...............CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZY FRED View Post
    Hey what stem lenth are you Med frame guys planning on running? Thanks..CF.
    I'm running this stem (50mm). I've decided to go with black, though. Would you like my blue one?



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    I think CF has more than enough of that sort of stuff lying around, you should send it down south to a needed "3rd worlder" Nice stem BTW, what length is that, 50mm? [edit, NM, it's marked on it] Don't think I could go that short, but then again I never thought I'd use a stem under 100mm either


    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell View Post
    I'm running this stem (50mm). I've decided to go with black, though. Would you like my blue one?



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    I'm really liking this frame, but why not 140mm? As a described AM/FR type frame, wouldn't 140mm be more appropriate? It's a good match for the current 140mm forks, but longer travel models are in the works from Fox (and possibly others) for 2013.

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    CS length i'd imagine.

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    If it's anything like Banshee's other minilink bikes....the suspension will feel deeper than the numbers suggest. The 150mm travel rune suspension feels comparable to 170mm SP bikes I have owned previously in the rough... however it pedals a lot better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    If it's anything like Banshee's other minilink bikes....the suspension will feel deeper than the numbers suggest. The 150mm travel rune suspension feels comparable to 170mm SP bikes I have owned previously in the rough... however it pedals a lot better.
    don't know what you mean by their other mini link bikes. my spitfire felt like a 5" travel bike. it's low and slack but it certainly never felt like it had more than 5" of travel. as far as the rune, it feels like a 6" bike too. i can still bottom it out and it can get overwhelmed on big stuff. nothing is magical about the suspension. it's good, pedals well outside of the granny but it feels like what it is.

    i doubt the prime is going to feel like it has way more than 130mm of travel. they went with that because its what they chose to do. i imagine after its release if people are still wanting more travel they'll make another model or revision. let's let them get the prime to production and actually get some reviews on it before we clamour for more travel and changes

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    Feels like 5", 6", relative to what? Feel is subjective and totally depends on shock choice, set-up and personal preference. Essentially what I was getting at below is that ANY bike with anti-squat will feel firmer while pedaling, saving the bottom half of the travel for bigger hits, compared to a bike with less anti-squat.

    To me, that makes a bike "feel deeper than the numbers suggest". Some people like that anti-squat feel and others don't, I happen to like it personally. YMMV.

    I agree there's not much point anylizing a bike which hasn't been ridden yet.
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    Because your description does not match Keith's description of what the bike is According to Keith the Prime is a Trail/AM bike, no where in there is this bike meant for FR and he's said that good few times. As to why, I believe he felt that too many compromises had to be made to go longer and that this segment of the market is the most popular as far as 29ers go, so good place to start, as well as not many fork options for longer.

    As to feeling like more, the big wheels will add to this feeling and while nothing can replace actual travel, then milder angle of attack a 29er has really does help smooth things out a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    I'm really liking this frame, but why not 140mm? As a described AM/FR type frame, wouldn't 140mm be more appropriate? It's a good match for the current 140mm forks, but longer travel models are in the works from Fox (and possibly others) for 2013.
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    Dead on, Lynx. FR= jumping... Not a strong point for 29'ers, although they can handle it with the right wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    don't know what you mean by their other mini link bikes. my spitfire felt like a 5" travel bike. it's low and slack but it certainly never felt like it had more than 5" of travel. as far as the rune, it feels like a 6" bike too. i can still bottom it out and it can get overwhelmed on big stuff. nothing is magical about the suspension. it's good, pedals well outside of the granny but it feels like what it is.

    i doubt the prime is going to feel like it has way more than 130mm of travel. they went with that because its what they chose to do. i imagine after its release if people are still wanting more travel they'll make another model or revision. let's let them get the prime to production and actually get some reviews on it before we clamour for more travel and changes
    agree

    Hi Banshee's man, I ride the Rune and now i ride the prime for two weeks, I prefer the feeling of suspension on the prime, the setting is easy, and the suspension with 130mm run better than on the Rune, more progessive (with an air shock) and more sensitive on small bump.

    The prime is fast in rought terrain and you can go as fast as a very good 160mm 26inch bike, i ride faster on the Prime than on the Rune.

    When i ride the Rune with a DHX air HV i feel the suspension too much linear and quit difficult to tuned, if you want progressivity the sensitivity is less and if you want more sensitivity the progressivity is worth, on rought terrain you use all the travel and you arrive to have a very good feeling but if you have a drop or a compession you go in full stoke very quicky.

    The Prime with a DHX air LV is very sensitive (for an air spring) and work very well on 80% of stroke and end of stroke is progressive, you can take drop 1.5m without sensation of hitting full stroke, for all mountain or enduro use the feeling is better than a 150mm in 26 inch

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    man, this stallion does not want to be mounted with a FD

    First, I came back from a 3 days of riding in the deep desert. I can tell you that it outperformed any bike that I have ridden. It was confidence inspiringand rolled over loose rocks like it was pavement . technical stuff was no issue at all.

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    although they warned us on the FD thing, the sram X7 s3 didnt fit the frame. lucky thing that the frame is a down pull so I just cutted the cradle of the FD top pull and it now perform well. other thing, there is no room for an hex to tighten the cable bolt.
    I've done it with visagrip at the end.
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    another shot

    still with no FD.
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    Good info guys, thanks for the pics GuyG.

    Any ride time with the F. Der mounted? Curious if the rear tire will hit it under full suspension compression.

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    NO problem with a 2.25 ardent.

    I think that larger volume tires will also fit.
    as for the travel - It's sure fills like a 160 26er. feels deep and endless.

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    and 3 days with the FD

    worked flawlessly

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    I use an SRAM XX 26/39 S3 without problem and without cutting somethink


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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Good info guys, thanks for the pics GuyG.

    Any ride time with the F. Der mounted? Curious if the rear tire will hit it under full suspension compression.
    I ride with the FD, no problem in full compression I try it before (SRAM XX), so an XT doesn't match he hit the frame so i use an SRAM XX

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    And no feeling of kickback on 22T

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    X9 S3 Bottom-Pull is way smaller than X7 on that part so you dont need to cut it.. im guessing the X7 is one model for top and bottom pull?

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    Looking at the X9 39T I've got it should be similar to the XX...
    I have heard that SRAM is working on smaller profile front dearailleurs too - maybe a 36T. I wonder if that will give a bit more tire clearance too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinS View Post
    Looking at the X9 39T I've got it should be similar to the XX...
    Yep- No frame to confirm with yet, but here's a pic of an X9 S3 I had sitting around. Based on Cyril's and GuyG's posts, I think this one will work on the prime without modifications since it doesn't have the extra top-pull arm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril_88 View Post
    I use an SRAM XX 26/39 S3 without problem and without cutting somethink

    I had to file the lower pivot too on the X7. (as you can see in the pictures )
    the problem is on the big chainring at full compression.
    you can see some marks on your frame cyrill, or maybe its just dirt ?

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    I think so, he look like my XX bottom pull.

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    Just got my tracking number in SMS... incoming on 12th!

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    Very good news for you ;-)

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    Thanks for the info guys... Please keep the recommendations coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril_88 View Post
    I use an SRAM XX 26/39 S3 without problem and without cutting somethink

    What bash is that? Nice and thin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    What bash is that? Nice and thin.
    it's a Truvative mount on Stylo OCT 2.2 crank arm

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    Bleeding brakes tomorrow, then its gonna be on the frosty trails.

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    nice set up.

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    Thanks! Levers/controls are not properly adjusted yet, had to stop for the night but had to post something!

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    lol, didn't notice the ice spikers. you weren't kidding when you said you would be hitting the frosty trails.

    i see you are in finland. icy trails make a lot of sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    Thanks! Levers/controls are not properly adjusted yet, had to stop for the night but had to post something!
    OK Guys, I'm getting CRAZY jealous. Those of you who have received your frames...any of you in the US? My wife is getting tired of me calling home asking if a big box arrived on the doorstep. FM, you're a fellow Washingtonian...you hear anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch F. Fletch View Post
    FM, you're a fellow Washingtonian...you hear anything?
    Nope, patiently waiting. And riding, skiing and working. Lots of distractions!

    Edit- my headset spacers did just show up though
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    Dig the WB Loop!
    Nice shop too

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Dig the WB Loop!
    Nice shop too
    thanks!

    The lbs owner says thanks on the shop comment also.

    Its snowing like crazy but now i gotta go ride some, been waiting on this!

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    I'm guessing us North Americans will be getting them all at once, I'd assume they will be in one crate shipped to Trident and then on to us.
    Seem to be on a slow boat from Tiawan though, hope it doesn't sink....

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    Martin got it in a oner. Trident will ship them out as soon as they get through customs... should be really soon.
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    Got first ride in... was gonna do quick 1hr run, it ended up being 3hr run because i was like

    Nailed the riding position on first try, only niggle was creaking seat rails, that's it, very good and trouble free shakedown!


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    Nice build there.

    Can't wait to see FM's come together. Sure to be one sturdy, plush and good looking giner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeachesN'Cream View Post
    Can't wait to see FM's come together. Sure to be one sturdy, plush and good looking giner.
    Haha! You & me both!
    The protracted wait has definitely led to a budget-bling parts kit.
    First ride is guaranteed to be a slopfest though....

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    @sakucee: awesome bike...really like to see those Primes out in the wilderness
    however, keep an eye on your rear fender!
    I installed same mucky nuts bender fender on my fully.
    on the rear its much less angled in regard to the wheel and it really bends fast.
    so, i hit a branch which stucks to the tire, bended the fender 180° and
    locked my wheel...
    happy trails!

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    Best looking 29er I've seen. I like those beefy seat-chain stays. Looking forward to seeing more builds & reading ride reports!

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    Anyone wanna show off their XL frame they wanna show off yet?

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    Believe me Dude, AS SOON as I get my XL pics will be up and then I'll be off for a ride. Most likely will be the quickest bike build ever
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    Anyone wanna show off their XL frame they wanna show off yet?
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??

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    So for those of you who have ridden a Prime already, can you give us any feedback on how the bike handles / suspension behaves in the slacker vs steeper setting? Thanks!
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    Anybody heard an ETA for US testers receiving their frames?

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    Keiths twitter feed had mysterious message so i'd hazard a guess, not for long.

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    Apparently they have cleared customs and are at the distributor being sorted out now. I'd guess they will be getting shipped out early next week.

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    I just wish it was a better looking bike [/sarcasm]

    Damn...

    What size is it?

    Is that an RP23 on there...I think it matches better than the new DHX.

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    I believe that is a Large... but when designing the frame I tried to make it so that all sizes look in proportion and had similar lines, so difficult to tell at first glance.
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    It's crazy...does not even look like a 29er. I bet the XL looks even better.

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    That brushed alu looks way better live than in pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    That brushed alu looks way better live than in pics
    Anxious to see what stock anodized colors will it be given when its released. Hopefully something laid back like this, something loud like this and keep the raw version too for peeps who like that sort of finish too.
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    Patiently waiting to let you know first hand. Stand over looks crazy low to me (yes it's a L) wondering how much the XL has. Yes that's a an RP23, Banshee Jon said he wanted to test the frame out with one since most of the rest of the testers would be using the DHX which they're shipping with. Me personally am looking forward to giving the DHX a try since I've never used a shock with a piggy back, but do have the right length RP23 sitting in the parts bin and it will go on at some point to test just how good the new KS Link suspension is - shocks' Pro Pedal is shot, so no dampening on it at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by mudpuppy View Post
    It's crazy...does not even look like a 29er. I bet the XL looks even better.
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    Just got a UPS tracking #...

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