Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 372
  1. #1
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278

    Prime Anticipation

    Great article on NSMB.

    The last thing MTBR needs is another 26 vs. 29'er debate, but I think this article does a great job covering the direction 29'ers are heading in, objectively. Gets me very excited for the Prime....

    Piledriver drop on a 29'er? That's ridiculous.
    Scared the living crap out of me on a 40lb, 26" FR bike....

  2. #2
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Good read, but I'd have to tend to agree with some of the comments posted that the riders mentioned are all pros or close enough, so what they can do with any bike is above what most will be able to do. One main example of utter BS is Wade Simmons, he clearly stated that 29ers could never ride the shore and would never ride one, that is until his sponsor started making them, then his tune changed - paid and full of **** is what he is.

    Me, I'm a 29er rider, through and through, I will never ride a 26" wheeled bike again. Am so looking forward to the Prime and for that matter all of the other AM/Trail bikes coming out for 2012, it proves that the market is there and the hype isn't just hype. My only concern, (but I committed, so I will stick with it) is getting the XL with a wheelbase 3" longer than anything I've ridden before. ETT is only 1/4" longer than my Paradox (although on the geo chart is says the reach is 26mm more) , so a stem length drop of somewhere between 30-40mm and nice wide bars should do the trick, but I'm guessing it'll take a bit more muscle to get around the tight stuff, but man oh man will it be stable on the fast descents
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  3. #3
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    Personally, I wouldn't call that BS...just one rider changing his mind as the result of the evolution of 29" bikes. He certainly could be riding a slayer if he preferred smaller wheels.

    There's a lot of things which have been missing from the 29'er spectrum which are pretty much mandatory for agressive riding... namely forks and wheels that aren't flexy, weak pieces of ****e. The industry is still behind the ball in a few areas, but I think people like Wade having been late adopters, is simply down to the fact that the previously offered 29'er packages mostly did suck for aggressive riding. Hence my excitement for the Prime.

  4. #4
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Again, full of it Wade Simmons Loves 29ers - YouTube says nothing of lack of advancements, just there's just no advantage - he rides what Rocky wants him to ride and help sell. Now Keith on the other hand is an honest guy who believes in this project, but still will stick to his guns and say he doesn't believe 29ers should go further than this AM/.Trail segment, and I respect him immensely for that - but look forward to the day he maybe changes his mind Same for Dave Turner, he said he wouldn't build a 29er, but then did and admitted he did it because it was just $tupid not to as too many people wanted one $$$$$.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Personally, I wouldn't call that BS...just one rider changing his mind as the result of the evolution of 29" bikes. He certainly could be riding a slayer if he preferred smaller wheels.
    What I will say is that I am looking forward to what riders like you and others on here and other sites, who have been 26er die-hards have to say when it's their own hard cash that has to purchase the bike and they're not a sponsored rider who benefits from giving props. Me personally, I think I represent the segment of the market of riders who really love riding, but who are not naturally gifted with the talent and have to work exceedingly hard just to even hang on the wheel of better riders - I'd guess it's a big segment, the weekend warriorish type. I've been told I do have the skill, but lack the positive attitude and confidence to use it and I can vouch for that, when you're self employed and haven't seen real work in forever and no medical insurance you ride very cautiously, but I'm hoping I can push the Prime a bit and provide some useful feedback on it .


    There's a lot of things which have been missing from the 29'er spectrum which are pretty much mandatory for agressive riding... namely forks and wheels that aren't flexy, weak pieces of ****e. The industry is still behind the ball in a few areas, but I think people like Wade having been late adopters, is simply down to the fact that the previously offered 29'er packages mostly did suck for aggressive riding. Hence my excitement for the Prime.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  5. #5
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    I dunno. That video of Wade was posted in May 2007. I think it's fair to say 29'ers (as complete bikes, not just the wheelsize) were useless for Wade's riding style at that time.

    Things have changed. Just because he's a sponsored pro, doesn't mean he can't change opinions as things progress.

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jncarpenter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    6,795
    IIRC...that video of Wade was to be viewed tongue in cheek. There were folks (in the know) at the time commenting that he was simply "having fun" with the soap opera level of drama involved with 29 versus 26 discussions. Rumor had it, at the time, he had spent significant time on the fruit hoops & was digging them (off the record, of course!).

    PS. Look-See...See, in particular, post #44


  7. #7
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    Thanks for posting JNC, that makes a lot more sense.

  8. #8
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    116
    Your average 5-6" 29er with any thing slacker then a 70 degree HA will be more then sufficient for most rolling, Shore trails. On Fromme where the ability to shuttle is unavailable I think there has been an evolution from your "Shore" bike to more pedal friendly all mountain bike. On a recent ride on Fromme ,out of six bikes, three were 29ers. Another one of the 26er riders has since purchased a 29er also. This would have been unheard only 18 months ago and will probably become more common as the new bunch of 29ers become available. Check out Lee Lau's videoes on Vimeo for lots of 29ers on the shore
    bikesonburke

  9. #9
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    1,764
    lol I am about 95% certain Wade is taking the piss with his comments in that video.

    You are reading too much into it LyNx. Wade loves to joke around.

  10. #10
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    I remember when Leel was first testing the RM Altitude and all those pics, but not that thread I took the video as it seemed and I may have a biased view on the FR crowd and just took the laughing for self pompus ******s the likes a lot of the PB kids on 29er wheels. The explanation makes it clearer and I'll taker back what I said, especially after reading this little bit from NSMB, but I still hold true that Wade saying they're great doesn't mean anything to me since as so many point out he could ride a 12" wheeled kids bike down those trails and make me or the avg rider look silly. That he gives them a nod will however maybe bring some of those PBesc type attitudes around to giving the 29" wheel a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    IIRC...that video of Wade was to be viewed tongue in cheek. There were folks (in the know) at the time commenting that he was simply "having fun" with the soap opera level of drama involved with 29 versus 26 discussions. Rumor had it, at the time, he had spent significant time on the fruit hoops & was digging them (off the record, of course!).

    PS. Look-See...See, in particular, post #44
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    476
    Not to 'come to his rescue', coz he's a bro, but Wade is genuinely stoked on the 29er. It is pretty much all he has been riding the past year or so. Although, he is much more of pedaller than shuttler than you'd think.

  12. #12
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    since as so many point out he could ride a 12" wheeled kids bike down those trails and make me or the avg rider look silly.
    Wade could ride a 12" wheeled bike up those trails and make the average rider look silly as well. But then... I look silly riding with no help from Wade, so it's a moot point.

    Anyways, back on topic!
    As mentioned in the first post, not looking to rehash the 26 vs 29 debate. But I am glad to see people opening their minds to the potential of 29'ers on more technical trails. Even semi-vertical donkey paths like Leel prefers to ride

    The prime delays have provided a little more time to squirell away parts and get stoked. Many rides on my Yelli have me missing the full squish, just as many rides on my Rune have me missing the bigger wheels.

    That is all.

  13. #13
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    I feel quite similar with the Paradox, except I have no squish to fall back on and while it is true I have a big grin after rides, I also am feeling it from the workout a HT gives you on rough/tech trails. As to 29ers in tech, I can honestly say that when I first switched from 26" FS to 29" FS I could not believe the climbs I was making that I'd had trouble making before on the 26" FS running Nevegals, while only running WTB Nanos on the 29er FS. Since getting the Paradox tech has become even more fun as it's just so nimble and easy to move around. Seems like maybe I need to visit where ever it is that Leel likes to ride/climb, as well honestly I think I prefer the challenge of a tech climb or pretty much flat/rolling trail to the descents, it's just that bit more challenging since fitness also plays a big part.

    So, what parts have you managed to squirrel away? Sadly my Paradox will be a donor of most of it's good parts to the Prime and then what ever I have around will go on the Paradox. Only thing I have really got for the Prime (and now want for all my bikes) is a 750mm wide FUNN Fatboy bar. Thinking I'm going to give a try with a nice 60mm Truvativ Hussefelt stem. Other than that it would be nice to have all new parts, but what parts I do have on the Paradox (wheels, drivetrain, cockpit etc) I am quite happy with, only other new thing I am signed up for is a new F34 fork.

    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    ..................Anyways, back on topic!
    As mentioned in the first post, not looking to rehash the 26 vs 29 debate. But I am glad to see people opening their minds to the potential of 29'ers on more technical trails. Even semi-vertical donkey paths like Leel prefers to ride

    The prime delays have provided a little more time to squirell away parts and get stoked. Many rides on my Yelli have me missing the full squish, just as many rides on my Rune have me missing the bigger wheels.

    That is all.



    ...and less we forget, they're to go on this ..........
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  14. #14
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    So, what parts have you managed to squirrel away?
    Well, I was going to grab parts off my Curtlo AM Hardtail (Wifes bike), but with the wait I've been finding some good deals on used stuff. Picked up some formula the ones (older versions), straitline stem, new set of sunline bars, king headset. It may come out pretty bling. Still stealing the wheels, cranks, pedals seat & post off my other bikes.

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation: qbert2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    3,226
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I remember when Leel was first testing the RM Altitude and all those pics, but not that thread I took the video as it seemed and I may have a biased view on the FR crowd and just took the laughing for self pompus ******s the likes a lot of the PB kids on 29er wheels. The explanation makes it clearer and I'll taker back what I said, especially after reading this little bit from NSMB, but I still hold true that Wade saying they're great doesn't mean anything to me since as so many point out he could ride a 12" wheeled kids bike down those trails and make me or the avg rider look silly. That he gives them a nod will however maybe bring some of those PBesc type attitudes around to giving the 29" wheel a try.
    you know lynx when you don't take 29er criticism to heart you are a much nicer guy. just realize not everyone drinks the 29er koolaid. everyone has their reasons for liking a particular bike or wheel size. we all ride mtb, what you ride it on means dick

  16. #16
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jncarpenter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    6,795
    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Wade could ride a 12" wheeled bike up those trails and make the average rider look silly as well. But then... I look silly riding with no help from Wade, so it's a moot point.

    Anyways, back on topic!
    As mentioned in the first post, not looking to rehash the 26 vs 29 debate. But I am glad to see people opening their minds to the potential of 29'ers on more technical trails. Even semi-vertical donkey paths like Leel prefers to ride

    The prime delays have provided a little more time to squirell away parts and get stoked. Many rides on my Yelli have me missing the full squish, just as many rides on my Rune have me missing the bigger wheels.

    That is all.
    It's great to have another proselyte!!!
    Keep the cult alive

    Seriously tho...I think DH'ers make the best converts, since we have been used to turning bikes with our hips & can easily take advantage of the upgrade in handling/traction in techy terrain. Seamlessly translating the 29er benefits, while easily overcoming any inherent shortcomings.

    My AM HT 29er rules the roost, but the Sultan is a welcome change of pace for the more challenging all day rides. Unfortunately, I wasn't selected for the Prime test group, but I look forward to throwing a leg over one at some point
    Last edited by jncarpenter; 11-02-2011 at 04:07 PM.


  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    389
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post



    Hussefelt stem is nice, until you look at the weight

    Best bang for the buck weight savings on my bike was to get rid of the 330gr lump of alu and replace it with 150gr instead

  18. #18
    mtbr member
    Reputation: darkslide18's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    1,065
    29er riders are worse than Baptists.

  19. #19
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Yeah, yeah, I know, also nicer when there's work and money to pay the bills etc I don't mind criticism, it's those who don't, or won't even give them a try yet seem to enjoy bashing them that get to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    you know lynx when you don't take 29er criticism to heart you are a much nicer guy. just realize not everyone drinks the 29er koolaid. everyone has their reasons for liking a particular bike or wheel size. we all ride mtb, what you ride it on means dick
    Yeah, I figure as much, but as with the current heavy OEM Cdale 90mm stem I have on the Paradox, it's there for fit (or for loaner bikes) and if it works didn't cost me a lot and I'll then get a nice one when the $$ allow it.
    Quote Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    Hussefelt stem is nice, until you look at the weight

    Best bang for the buck weight savings on my bike was to get rid of the 330gr lump of alu and replace it with 150gr instead
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  20. #20
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    29er riders are worse than Baptists.
    Perhaps... but as a whole, we are a lot more fun to drink beer with.

  21. #21
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    But not as bad as 7 days adventist and yes we'll drink a beer or other beverage with you, no matter what wheel size you chose to ride

    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Perhaps... but as a whole, we are a lot more fun to drink beer with.
    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    29er riders are worse than Baptists.
    Last edited by LyNx; 11-03-2011 at 12:22 PM.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    926
    I'm not in the market for a 29"er (or another bike) but I definitely like seeing videos of them on more tech terrain & the frames that are coming soon, DEFINITELY look better than all the XC bikes I've seen locally (Trek, Speesh mostly)!

    Alot of the riders on my local XC trails have said they like them because they roll over everything so easy which confused me because none of the trails have all that much to roll over...

    Seems like 29" would be best for those riders who are looking at 6 ft n' over. That's what I think whever I see the bikes....

  23. #23
    mtbr member
    Reputation: The Haunted's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    170
    Must... resist.... replacing....my aging 2010 FSR 29...
    When will the frame be available? Are they gonna be sold out within the first month?

  24. #24
    mtbr member
    Reputation: qbert2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    3,226
    Quote Originally Posted by The Haunted View Post
    Must... resist.... replacing....my aging 2010 FSR 29...
    When will the frame be available? Are they gonna be sold out within the first month?
    people are still waiting for the proto frames. i imagine 2012 before this sees production. maybe keith can chime in if earlier than that.

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    167
    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    people are still waiting for the proto frames. i imagine 2012 before this sees production. maybe keith can chime in if earlier than that.
    Darn, not what I wanted to hear. If that is the case, then I'm willing to bet that the production frame won't be available until September 2012

  26. #26
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Actually the frames are not really Protos, just pre-production because Banshee likes to make sure they get it right before the start production, so 60 or so lucky people get basically a production frame & shock for a nominal fee, including shipping about the world, instead of retail and all they need to do is ride them and provide feedback to Banshee. I think they'll give the testers about 3 months so they have good time to eval them and the production, which will already be tooled and setup will get rolling.

    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    people are still waiting for the proto frames. i imagine 2012 before this sees production. maybe keith can chime in if earlier than that.
    Quote Originally Posted by wheel-addict View Post
    Darn, not what I wanted to hear. If that is the case, then I'm willing to bet that the production frame won't be available until September 2012
    Last edited by LyNx; 11-04-2011 at 02:08 PM.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  27. #27
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    regardless, I really think it will be worth the wait. The Satori and Bandit 29'er look great (as does the Shinobi)... I would think the Prime probably is requiring more time and R&D, with the KS-link and more pivots, new axle system etc. I'm happy riding my current bikes till the prime comes out, since I think the KS link will ride significantly better.

    Stoked as I am, snow is falling in the mountains here, so it really doesn't matter if it comes next week or next spring, it's going to be next season before I can get it up here.

    (sorry to rehash these pics, they were highlights of my summer! )




  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation: qbert2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    3,226

    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Actually the frames are not really Protos, just pre-production because Banshee likes to make sure they get it right before the start production, so 60 or so lucky people get basically a production frame & shock for a nominal price including shipping about the world, instead of retail and all they need to do is ride them and provide feedback to Banshee. I think they'll give the testers about 3 months so they have good time to eval them and the production, which will already be tooled and setup will get rolling.
    I was on the list at one time after some emails with jay. Haven't heard much on delivery and I'm not sure I'm still in line anymore after being disappointed in my current Banshee's pivots having issues. I'd still like to see one as being a current owner who has had frame issues it'd be nice to compare the newer bearing setup against the old bushing system. Jay had said he had forwarded my name for the list to Keith but Keith still hasn't confirmed either way if I'm getting a Prime or not.

    As much as I'm pi$$ed at the current situation regarding the bushings I still want Banshee to do well and move on to better things and keep making good bikes. I'm giving the Trner a chance because I'm not thrilled with waiting for a fix that I'm not sure will solve the current gushing issues. I want a reliable ride and right now I can't say that about my Rune or spitty
    Last edited by qbert2000; 11-04-2011 at 02:45 PM.

  29. #29
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Holy crap, where exactly is that dude? Absolutely fantastic, would love to ride there someday. Think I might even give up pretty much year 'round riding if I had views like that to ride to.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    .......Stoked as I am, snow is falling in the mountains here, so it really doesn't matter if it comes next week or next spring, it's going to be next season before I can get it up here.
    (sorry to rehash these pics, they were highlights of my summer! )

    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  30. #30
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Holy crap, where exactly is that dude? Absolutely fantastic, would love to ride there someday. Think I might even give up pretty much year 'round riding if I had views like that to ride to.
    Angel's staircase, near Twisp, Wa.
    Lots of other great trails in that area, here are a few. This will all be prime prime territory

    That is the con of living here though, those rides are only snow-free for 8-12 weeks every year. But in the winter we have a lot more low-elevation stuff that is less XC and more flow style, all mountain, skills park stuff. It just gets wet, and I end up doing the majority of off-season riding at night (using off-season daylight hours for trail work).



    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10323561@N07/6202292343/" title="IMG_2463 by emailsucks98, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6152/6202292343_fe056bf0f6_b.jpg" width="807" height="1024" alt="IMG_2463"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10323561@N07/5070502948/" title="IMG_3608 by emailsucks98, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5070502948_60e18a78ff_b.jpg" width="768" height="1024" alt="IMG_3608"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10323561@N07/3921703910/" title="IMG_4761 by emailsucks98, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2520/3921703910_429c7eaed9_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_4761"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10323561@N07/3921706846/" title="pp3 by emailsucks98, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/3921706846_d759cfb7e0_b.jpg" width="1024" height="312" alt="pp3"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10323561@N07/4010200429/" title="IMG_4849 by emailsucks98, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2470/4010200429_6f3b57d7a6_b.jpg" width="1024" height="575" alt="IMG_4849"></a>

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation: eurospek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    5,458
    I'm jealous.
    konahonzo

  32. #32
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Nice, really nice FM, looks like a lot of trails that I'd like. Curious, the pic I quoted, you don't happen to have it without the bike and looking slightly to the right of the one with the bike? Would make an excellent desktop image.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  33. #33
    FM
    FM is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation: FM's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    9,278
    Sure thing, take your pic(k)!
    A few to choose from, look here and here. You can download the images in whichever size you like from Flickr.

  34. #34
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Thanks. My next trip away I think I'm going to have a heavy pack on some days and have to ride a bit more careful than usual as I'll be luggin my D7000 around to capture some images like those

    BTW, forgot to say, like the Curtlo, he does really nice work at some damn good prices. Have considered getting him to do me a steel AM geo HT, but with some couplers to make it travel-able
    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Sure thing, take your pic(k)!
    A few to choose from, look here and here. You can download the images in whichever size you like from Flickr.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  35. #35
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029

    New question here. 44mm, 48mm or 51mm offset???

    OK, so in anticipation have been doing a bit of digging since that damn Micro Ti 44 deal keeps coming up in threads and here's what I found and what I want to know.........The 44 Micro Ti uses a 44mm offset, the new Fox F34 uses a 51mm offset and my current Minute uses a 48mm offset So which direction should I go for more travel and slacker HA if I already like my Minute? I'm thinking the Fox will behave better than the 44 Ti and more like my 120 Minute on the Paradox. Anyone who actually gets the whole offset thing care to chime in?
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  36. #36
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    389
    If A-C Values are same the fork with longer offset is slacker.

    If you want exact values that would require maths and... well, cba, tbh.

  37. #37
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dunerinaz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    1,342
    Quote Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    If A-C Values are same the fork with longer offset is slacker.
    I think that's backwards. A further offset to the front would steepen the HA. The axle is raised since the fork is at an angle and the further the offset, the more the axle has to drop, steepening the HA. That how it appears to me anyways.
    "Don't feel bad. A lot of people have no talent"

  38. #38
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    389
    Er right, serves me right writing stuff too tired, meant to say _shorter_ offset is slacker, if a-c values are same, i think i got it right this time, maybe?

  39. #39
    I just let one RIP
    Reputation: Jwiffle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,184
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    OK, so in anticipation have been doing a bit of digging since that damn Micro Ti 44 deal keeps coming up in threads and here's what I found and what I want to know.........The 44 Micro Ti uses a 44mm offset, the new Fox F34 uses a 51mm offset and my current Minute uses a 48mm offset So which direction should I go for more travel and slacker HA if I already like my Minute? I'm thinking the Fox will behave better than the 44 Ti and more like my 120 Minute on the Paradox. Anyone who actually gets the whole offset thing care to chime in?
    You may want to ask in the shocks forum, but I went from a 41.5 mm offset on the minute to 48 mm on the same fork (new 20mm TA lowers) and liked the handling with the increased offset. I'm thinking with the slacker head angle, you'd want at least the 48mm offset if not more. You'll notice that longer forks usually have more offset due to being used on bikes with slacker head angles (39mm for a reba as opposed to 42 mm on a boxxer [both for 26
    ' forks - 29er reba has more offset]).
    Stop in at Element Sports. www.elementsport.com
    Get Out! Have Fun!

  40. #40
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Yeah I'm counting on that too, figure the extra 3mm offset should help "offset" the slacker geo and help keep the steering similar, but know it's not just the fork/HA/offset that determines how a bike handles, the roughly 3/4" longer than Paradox stays will also help to slow the bike down a bit in terms of handling speed I think, so maybe it'll require a bit more body english or will the much shorter stem I plan on running help compensate

    Yeah, I was a bit shocked when I move from the 100mm Reba with 38mm offset to the new 120mm Minute on the rip9 and the steering actually felt a bit faster even though I'd slacked out the HA about 3/4*- had not realised that the 20mm TA offset was 48mm as compared to the QR version 44mm. I also built the Paradox up initially with the old 100mm Reba and then the 120 Minute and again same thing as before, felt much better, more confidence steering, but a bit faster - some of this, actually probably alot can be attributed to the 20mm TA as compared to the QR on the Reba and getting immediate response and very little lag on input.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle View Post
    You may want to ask in the shocks forum, but I went from a 41.5 mm offset on the minute to 48 mm on the same fork (new 20mm TA lowers) and liked the handling with the increased offset. I'm thinking with the slacker head angle, you'd want at least the 48mm offset if not more. You'll notice that longer forks usually have more offset due to being used on bikes with slacker head angles (39mm for a reba as opposed to 42 mm on a boxxer [both for 26
    ' forks - 29er reba has more offset]).
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  41. #41
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    389
    I just bounced new WB Loop at LBS, very-very smooth for un-unsed fork, looks real nice in white, also i think offset on the Loop is 44mm.

  42. #42
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Tapered steerer? Stanchions any bigger than 32mm? What's the cost? AFAIK they're not far off the Foxs.

    Quote Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    I just bounced new WB Loop at LBS, very-very smooth for un-unsed fork, looks real nice in white, also i think offset on the Loop is 44mm.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  43. #43
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    389
    It is 32mm and the weight was 2kg on the mark with uncut steerer+axle, it didnt seem flexy... although these are the things when you only notice when you push the said item in trails real life.. i also liked the tapered axle system.

    I dunno, i'd say our lbs guy has them more of and RS price range than Fox, Fox is uber expensive here.

    And yup, tapered steerer, the adjustment knobs were nice solid alu like on Fox. Lower legs had tapered bulge on the where the bearings were etc.

  44. #44
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Well if you get a chance to actually ride on one, please report back.

    Quote Originally Posted by sakucee View Post
    It is 32mm and the weight was 2kg on the mark with uncut steerer+axle, it didnt seem flexy... although these are the things when you only notice when you push the said item in trails real life.. i also liked the tapered axle system.

    I dunno, i'd say our lbs guy has them more of and RS price range than Fox, Fox is uber expensive here.

    And yup, tapered steerer, the adjustment knobs were nice solid alu like on Fox. Lower legs had tapered bulge on the where the bearings were etc.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    389
    Will do!

    Oh yeah, the Aura does work as advertised, when you put the 'lock out' on you can hear the oil squished thru really slowly the damping circuit when moving the fork slow, when you give it sharp input the compression releases instant, no lag or delay which is very cool feature.

    I say 'lock out' because it really isn't really a lock out, but it turns up the slow speed compression to a crawl, until a hit opens the valving and it moves freely.

  46. #46
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029

    New question here. Headset

    OK, I'm officially getting seriously POd trying to find the right headset for the Prime, seems as though you can easily find a ZS44/49EC tapered headset, or ZS44/ZS56 tapered, or full external 1.125-1.5", but for the %$^@#&@ life of me I cannot easily find a ZS49 upper/EC49 lower headset, only solution I'm finding is to buy both headsets and use the top from one and bottom from another Anyone have links to anything? I know what I need - ZS49/EC49 - but seems not many/any carry them or at least where I look doesn't
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  47. #47
    mtbr member
    Reputation: qbert2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    3,226
    thought it was 44mm upper

  48. #48
    MTB B'dos
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    20,029
    Unless it has changed since the last time I talked to Keith, he said it would be a straight 1.5" (49/49) Traditional headtube like the Rune and that the production ones would maybe be 44/49 tapered like the Spitfire. All I'm finding easily in the ZS49/EC49 configuration is damned expensive anglesets. Only geo adjustments I plan on trying are those offered by the frame and running it with my Minute 120mm using a 49-30 crown race adapter.
    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    thought it was 44mm upper
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??
    MTB Barbados
    My Phantom pics

  49. #49
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dunerinaz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    1,342
    When I needed the same headset, Chad at Red Barn pieced together what I needed. He said Cane Creek will sell uppers and lowers separately.
    "Don't feel bad. A lot of people have no talent"

  50. #50
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    389
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Unless it has changed since the last time I talked to Keith, he said it would be a straight 1.5" (49/49) Traditional headtube like the Rune and that the production ones would maybe be 44/49 tapered like the Spitfire. All I'm finding easily in the ZS49/EC49 configuration is damned expensive anglesets. Only geo adjustments I plan on trying are those offered by the frame and running it with my Minute 120mm using a 49-30 crown race adapter.
    If all else fails:

    Nuke Proof Warhead 49IETS Headset 2011 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com

    Nukeproof 49IETS

Page 1 of 8 12345 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Roaring Creek is Prime, I tell you, Prime
    By bear in forum Pennsylvania
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 06-12-2011, 01:02 PM
  2. Anticipation...
    By rockyuphill in forum Rocky Mountain
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 12-16-2010, 05:20 AM
  3. Anticipation...
    By gotdirt in forum Colorado - Front Range
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: 12-20-2006, 07:44 PM
  4. Anticipation...
    By KgB in forum Passion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 04-07-2004, 06:45 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •