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    Parodox build tips please

    Hi All,

    I normally live on the Niner forum but I have just bought a Banshee Paradox V2 frame to liven the stable up a bit. The Paradox will replace my Santa Cruz Chameleon 26'er which is set up 1x9 and 120mm/20mm axle fork.

    I have a few existing parts for the build and I have a few ideas but I would like to hear what sort of spec. others have built their Paradox's too.

    I only ride a mix of XC including some endurance rides (which I have the 100mm dually for). I am looking for this build to ride my local singletrack with loads of grip and a bit more confidence on the small drops and steeper downhill pinches. So weight is not so important.

    My first question is I have a pair of Stan's Arch rims on XT hubs (20mm front) that are currently on my Jet 9 dually. Would these be suitable or should I look for something stronger and wider, more like the Stan's Flow rims? There are some locally on ebay right now which could fit the bill. If the Arches are suitable I will probably build a lighter and whiter wheelset for the white Jet 9.

    My second question is whether to go single chainring or dual chainring. I have both options easily available with an SLX 22/36 double crankset and an E13 chainguide currently on the Chameleon (BB mount though)? I rode most of my local trails this morning with a 40 tooth front ring and only bailed to the 27 twice, so I can ride 95% with a single 36 front ring.

    Finally what fork options are people using? Would a Revelation dual position 140mm/110mm be too much fork when not in the climbing position (110mm)?

    Thanks in advance for the advice

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    Ozy, I personally don't know your trails or riding preference, but I'll give my $0.02.

    When I built my Paradox the HA was 69* using a 120mm fork and this was one of the things I thought needed changing to 68* and this was done with the V2, so for me I don't think I'd want it any slacker than that with a 140mm fork. That being said, if you get the 110-140 Talaus/Dual position fork, then if you rode it @ 110M your HA would be about 68.5*, which would actually be fairly sweet for most Xc and trail riding and then you'd have the option to go to 140mm and slack the HA out to 67.5* roughly for the descents, so best of both worlds I guess.

    As to double or triple, only you can answer that, but given that you already have the double I'd opt for that to start, then if you notice you're not using the granny, ,then consider dropping it, or maybe consider increasing the ring size to get a higher, high gear and taller granny.

    As to the wheels, if you don't plan on running anything above 2.2" tyres then I'd prob use the Arch wheelset and build the lighter set for racing/XC. If you do plan to go above 2.2" width, then something a bit wider like the Flow or MTX33 would be a benefit in getting a better/truer profile on the tyre. Personally am looking for a new wheelset when $$ allow and I'm seriously considering some of those Chinese carbon rims laced to hubs of choice.
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    +1 for LyNx's input.

    Also. If you do go with new wheels, look at WTB i23 Frequency (or i19's). Similar to Flow's/Arches, IMO stronger because of the internal rib, and they can be found for cheaper. I recently built a set and have been running the front on my Paradox V1 while I wait for my new frame which it will be going on. Nice rim.

    I run 2x9 and have never dropped a chain, and with an X0 rear mech in VERY chunky terrain have very little chain slap. So, IMO, your chain guide is not necessary. Wrap some inner tube around your drive side chain stay and you'll be good to go.

    I ride a Fox 120mm Talas and it "feels" right, for me. I've only used the travel adjust once, I just ride at 120mm. Climbs great, descends greater, smooth or chunky doesn't matter, for a hard tail this bike really gobbles up trail nastiness.

    This bike will have you riding everything that you're man enough to ride, and even some stuff that you're not, you're in for a treat.

    I've include 2 videos of where I typically ride, the second one is kind of long. The Banshee regulars have seen them from a Prime thread. For reference, I have a very nice 26" AM FS that hangs in my garage while I chose my Paradox for these rides, I like the handling of the Paradox that much.


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    Thanks for the feedback Lynx and Optimus, I will watch the videos this evening when I get some time.

    Lynx re the travel that is what I was thinking, run the Revelation in the low setting and then have 140mm available for knarly descents? I have heard that the TALAS though is not designed to run in the low position for long periods so it would have to be 120 with occasional 95 on ascents.

    Lynx, you missed my point on the chainrings, I am considering either the SLX double or run it single ring. I only have a triple on my dually which has to be able to climb anything. I am pretty comfortable going a single 36 tooth front ring on this build.

    Lynx, I am thinking of around 2.25/2.35 tyres and as weight is not a major concern, I just put a bid in on the flow wheels on ebay. I already run flows on my rigid SS with 2.4's.

    Optimus, thanks for the feedback on the 2x9, it gives me a bailout gear and if there are no chain retention problems then it might be worth having the extra front derailleur and shifter on the bike for flexibility. Also the chainguide is overkill for my kind of riding so I don't mind dropping it.

    Optimus, TALAS 120/95 fork is definitely under consideration. Interesting that you don't need/use the 95. It might come down to cost for me and I might end up with a 120mm fork with no travel adjust. I do like the idea of travel adjust though and my son now rides my old Epic with a U Turn Reba.

    Re type of riding etc. My local trails are not that challenging but I find the Niner hardtails to be very XC focussed (steep head angle in particular). So I have built my Air 9 light and fast and am thinking of even putting a rigid fork and semi slicks on it and limiting the places I ride it to fast fire roads and mixed dirt/bitumen rides. The Paradox build needs to be more of an all round trail bike but it doesn't need the big ring for long or fast rides.

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    Ozi, if the budget comes tight and you can only do a normal travel 120mm fork, know this, the bike is ace using a 120mm fork, absolutely spot on, you'll enjoy it and be surprised that you don't wish for less, even on the steepest climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Ozi, if the budget comes tight and you can only do a normal travel 120mm fork, know this, the bike is ace using a 120mm fork, absolutely spot on, you'll enjoy it and be surprised that you don't wish for less, even on the steepest climbs.
    Thanks for the tip. Ironically I just bought a Reba XX 120-20 tapered fork for my Jet 9 and put a 20mm spacer in to drop it to 100mm travel. Apart from being white rather than black it would make a great fork on the raw Paradox. I just have to see how the wheel and fork options pan out. If I get the Flows I bid on the Hope front hub can go to 15mm or 20mm opening up the fork options.

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    ozy, to be completely honest with you, the fact that a Talas is black and an RLC white is the only reason that I used a Talas. If I ever have to send it in for service, I may have it converted to an RLC.

    Even though a Paradox is a very heavy duty frame, it doesn't ride that way. It's very nimble, and it's fast through the twisties. It's going to have you seeking out new lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    ozy, to be completely honest with you, the fact that a Talas is black and an RLC white is the only reason that I used a Talas. If I ever have to send it in for service, I may have it converted to an RLC.

    Even though a Paradox is a very heavy duty frame, it doesn't ride that way. It's very nimble, and it's fast through the twisties. It's going to have you seeking out new lines.
    hahaha love the vanity

    I am looking for a black fork too and then some blue highlights on the bike.

    My next question is that CRC have a couple of black Talas options

    Fox Suspension 32 Talas 29 120 Terralogic FIT 2011 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com

    Fox Suspension 32 Talas 29 120 RLC FIT 2011 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com

    The first one is Terralogic and about $100 cheaper than the RLC FIT model. Ignore the description on the website, it doesn't match the product name and I let them know about it.

    It is also about $100 more than a 140mm Revelation dual position on ebay but free freight reduces most of that difference so call it even.

    So would I regret saving a few $ on the the Terralogic ?

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    Also what if I could get a set of near new Cobalt 2 wheels for half new price? The value is good, 15mm axle to go with Fox forks, but are the rims strong and wide enough?

    EDIT forget that. Just did my own research. 19mm same as Arch rims. Designed for XC and 175lb rider limit. I would need to find some Iodines on special.
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    Ozy, I'd consider ordering from a US based online store to be quite honest, those prices on CRC are just insane I'm sure that even with shipping you can land the same fork from a US based online store for less than the cost of one of those two forks Places I shop, Jenson, Price Point, A E Bike.

    Have you considered other brands besdies RS and Fox? Don't forget Manitou (had about 3 years of good service from my Minute, 1.5 of those on the Paradox) and X-Fusion, lot cheaper than RS or Fox and very good reviews and construction seems to be top notch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Ozy, I'd consider ordering from a US based online store to be quite honest, those prices on CRC are just insane I'm sure that even with shipping you can land the same fork from a US based online store for less than the cost of one of those two forks Places I shop, Jenson, Price Point, A E Bike.

    Have you considered other brands besdies RS and Fox? Don't forget Manitou (had about 3 years of good service from my Minute, 1.5 of those on the Paradox) and X-Fusion, lot cheaper than RS or Fox and very good reviews and construction seems to be top notch?
    I will check out some US shops before I buy. CRC build the freight into their prices. Freight from the US to Oz is more expensive and takes longer than from the UK. I have previously bought from Jenson and Speedgoat and probably others in the US.

    I haven't forgotten Manitou or Marzocchi and I don't know enough about X-Fusion so I hadn't considered them. If I forget travel adjust and go for a simple 120mm travel fork that will probably open a few more options up.

    One of my cheapest options right now is to buy a Manitou 100mm for my Jet 9 and put the brand new white Reba XX 120mm onto the Paradox. I just have to take the 20mm spacer back out to restore the full travel.

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    Personally, Oz, I'd skip the travel adjust, I really don't think that it's necessary on this frame. Again personally, I'd avoid the Terralogic, it's just more stuff that can go wrong. If your trails aren't really that rugged, an RL type fork will probably suit you fine. If you get a little chunkier, an RLC type would be nice. Thing is, it's a hardtail, it's never going to be "plush", so you can get away with avoiding all of the "bells and whistles". With everybody getting more and more advanced with their suspensions, it's getting harder to find a meat and potatoes fork. I'm getting close to starting a new build and I bought my fork maybe 6 months ago, just so I wouldn't have to be stuck with the 2013 Fox CTD 3 position stuff. (it's another Talas, because it's black, haha)

    I agree with LyNx that you may want to consider some of the "off" brands. There's lots of decent reviews for forks other than Fox and Rockshox.

    As far as the white Reba goes, I bet that it would work great for you. You can always paint it, as long as you scuff the finish good first, some quality hardware store spray paint should work acceptably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Personally, Oz, I'd skip the travel adjust, I really don't think that it's necessary on this frame. Again personally, I'd avoid the Terralogic, it's just more stuff that can go wrong. If your trails aren't really that rugged, an RL type fork will probably suit you fine. If you get a little chunkier, an RLC type would be nice. Thing is, it's a hardtail, it's never going to be "plush", so you can get away with avoiding all of the "bells and whistles". With everybody getting more and more advanced with their suspensions, it's getting harder to find a meat and potatoes fork. I'm getting close to starting a new build and I bought my fork maybe 6 months ago, just so I wouldn't have to be stuck with the 2013 Fox CTD 3 position stuff. (it's another Talas, because it's black, haha)

    I agree with LyNx that you may want to consider some of the "off" brands. There's lots of decent reviews for forks other than Fox and Rockshox.

    As far as the white Reba goes, I bet that it would work great for you. You can always paint it, as long as you scuff the finish good first, some quality hardware store spray paint should work acceptably.
    I agree with you completely about this being a hardtail and not needing all the bells and whistles. The Reba XX I just bought was a 2011 model because I wanted 20mm to match my wheels. The new Reba's are all 15mm axle.

    Re the painting, my eyes hurt reading your suggestions. I have a compressor and spray gun thank you, a rub down with probably 320 grade wet and dry and it would be ready for a semi professional overcoat. I would prefer not to do that though, just leave it white.

    I won the Flow's on ebay this morning and the frame should be posted tomorrow. So I will focus on the fork hunting now. I do have to part out and sell off the Chameleon to pay for all this though.

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    Well here is a couple of more realistically costed options from Jenson.

    Manitou Tower Pro 29 Fork 2011 > Components > Forks > Suspension Forks | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    Under $400 delivered but no tapered steerer

    Manitou Tower Pro 120 29" Fork 2012 > Components > Forks > Suspension Forks | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    Marzocchi Corsa SL 29" Fork 2012 > Components > Forks > Suspension Forks | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    Both around $600 delivered

    All of them are white, but I guess I am going to have to live with that or repaint them black, maybe after they get a few scratches.

    Here is the Revelation Dual Position on ebay

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    Which is close to $800 delivered

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    Ozy, give these 2 links a browse and then do some research on their contents, I think you might be impressed by what you find/read.

    Universal Cycles -- Forks - MTB Suspension > X-Fusion Forks
    X-Fusion Slide RL2 29er Suspension Fork 100mm 1-1/8" Black - AEBike.com - Thousands of bicycle parts and accessories - Shipped Worldwide
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    I spotted those myself, just forgot to add Universal Cycle to the list of suggested places to shop. I deal with Universal a lot, no problems. $400-$440 for a brand new, nicely equipped fork looks like a really good deal. Also, at Universal, with an order over $300 you can get 15% off. They're black, tapered steerer, only 9mm axle, but if you use the DT Swiss 9mm axle thingy it should be stronger than a skewer. Looks like it could be a win.

    ozy, in a previous life I used to paint cars, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to change color. But I'm also a bit lazy these days, I'd actually just buy the color if it was available, even if it was a Talas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    ozy, in a previous life I used to paint cars, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to change color. But I'm also a bit lazy these days, I'd actually just buy the color if it was available, even if it was a Talas.
    Haha glad I said I would only do a semi professional job of it myself then hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Thanks, that is a very good price, just wish I could find a black one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Ozy, give these 2 links a browse and then do some research on their contents, I think you might be impressed by what you find/read.

    Universal Cycles -- Forks - MTB Suspension > X-Fusion Forks
    X-Fusion Slide RL2 29er Suspension Fork 100mm 1-1/8" Black - AEBike.com - Thousands of bicycle parts and accessories - Shipped Worldwide
    Sorry but the 9mm is now a show stopper for me. I can live with the wretched new standard (like we needed another one) 15mm but my preference is for 20mm so at least I can swap wheelsets between my Jet 9 dually and this bike if required.

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    They do do 15mm TA as well, just take a look about and you'll find it, if not contact them directly and ask a question.
    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    Sorry but the 9mm is now a show stopper for me. I can live with the wretched new standard (like we needed another one) 15mm but my preference is for 20mm so at least I can swap wheelsets between my Jet 9 dually and this bike if required.
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    OK some key decisions have been made and pretty much all the parts for the build are ordered and on their way to the land of Oz.

    Fork will be the white Manitou Tower Pro 120mm tapered steerer with 20mm through axle.

    Wheels have arrived from a local ebay seller, Flows on Hope front hub and X9 rear hub.

    1x9 or 2x9 is about the only question to resolve. I have ordered the direct mount SLX FD in case I go 2x9. If I go 1x9 my existing chainguide uses a BB mount and won't make use of the ISCG tabs on the frame. I am looking into whether I can get a replacement backing plate only to convert the chainguide to ISCG.

    Here are the wheels with more photos to come as the build progresses.


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    Nice wheels, going to be a nice bike. I considered 1x10 on my new build, but decided on 2x. I don't granny often, but it is nice when you need to.
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    Another Aussie Paradox

    Hi Oz

    Good to see another Paradox down under. My bike of choice, it does it all from the rough rocky trails to 50km enduros. Awesome bike.

    My build Medium V1,
    120mm RL Fox Fork, all you need.
    Slx triple cranks
    x9 geartrain
    Cheapo DT swiss wheels for training and general trail riding.
    Arches on hope hubs for racing.
    Hardtails are for the road, Full Sus is for the dirt. Guess what...PARADOX... Its wrong that a Hardtail can be this much..FUN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Nice wheels, going to be a nice bike. I considered 1x10 on my new build, but decided on 2x. I don't granny often, but it is nice when you need to.
    Yes the double makes the bike more usable in more conditions. I really haven't decided yet. I rode most of my local trails with the 40 tooth front ring on my Air 9 hardtail 2x9 last weekend. I am looking for the Air 9 and Paradox to be contrasting builds. I am thinking rigid carbon fork and semi slicks on the Air 9. They are both raw frames and I have the white carbon fork sitting on a shelf at home, it was on a commuter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floydo View Post
    Hi Oz

    Good to see another Paradox down under. My bike of choice, it does it all from the rough rocky trails to 50km enduros. Awesome bike.

    My build Medium V1,
    120mm RL Fox Fork, all you need.
    Slx triple cranks
    x9 geartrain
    Cheapo DT swiss wheels for training and general trail riding.
    Arches on hope hubs for racing.
    Thanks for the encouragement.

    I love your signature.

    It looks like this bike will be something to look forward to riding.

    What part of Oz are you from?

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    From Sydney. What about yourself?

    The Paradox is that good , I prefer to ride it over my 5" Dually Banshee Spitfire.

    I'm over 40, this bike is just so much fun to ride , The trails I usually ride are rough and rocky. This bike just eats it up. Short ribbed chainstays make this bike rail through tight single track and climb rough rocky pinch climbs with ease.

    My brother has just built up a Divinci atlas 29er dually which has even shorter chain stays keen to ee how this rides.
    Hardtails are for the road, Full Sus is for the dirt. Guess what...PARADOX... Its wrong that a Hardtail can be this much..FUN

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    Floydo is yet one more person with that attitude toward the Paradox. I can't recall ever seeing a post of anybody not liking it, although I'm sure that some don't. My 6 1/2" FS rarely gets ridden, and I've got some very chunky terrain right out my door, Paradox is the bike of choice.

    Ozy, when you get yours built, you will not be satisfied riding it on 40 tooth trails. You WILL seek out chunkier stuff, guaranteed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floydo View Post
    Hi Oz

    From Sydney. What about yourself?
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    I am from Brisbane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Floydo is yet one more person with that attitude toward the Paradox. I can't recall ever seeing a post of anybody not liking it, although I'm sure that some don't. My 6 1/2" FS rarely gets ridden, and I've got some very chunky terrain right out my door, Paradox is the bike of choice.

    Ozy, when you get yours built, you will not be satisfied riding it on 40 tooth trails. You WILL seek out chunkier stuff, guaranteed.
    Yeah I have bought the Paradox frame on reputation, although they are a bit of a well kept secret by the limited number of reviews out there. I just reread all 8 mtbr reviews yesterday.

    I do have one dually in the stable although I already find that a 29er hardtail or even rigid can handle most trails where I ride and often be more fun. I had a 2007 s works epic 26er set up very light which my oldest son now won't let me ride. I had a 2008 enduro with 150mm travel which is one of the few bikes I regret selling. It got replaced by a RIP9 when I got the frame below wholesale cost at a close out sale. I found the RIP to be too much bike and I recently did an almost cost neutral "downgrade" to a Jet9 which gets its first ride today.

    The Jet9 is intended to be my do it all kind of bike with the suspension providing comfort on long enduro rides and the triple providing a full range of gearing for all conditions. 22/32/44 front and 12-36 rear 3x9. It's also a bike where the technology lets me be a bit lazy and let the bike do the work.

    This allows the Paradox to be built more focussed on just having fun on my local trails, even if I have to push it up the odd steep hill. It may well end up being my favourite daily ride. It's also about getting back to basics and being a better rider. So like my rigid SS this one will start off with flat pedals. It's also getting chunkier rubber than my other more efficient bikes.

    So yes I expect I will switch the dropper post from my dually to the Paradox and seek out the knarlier and steeper local trails.

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    Frame has arrived

    Yesterday the frame arrived by courier. Still new and unused in its original box.



    All the other parts are now ordered and on their way, unless I decide to upgrade the X7 rear derailleur, the deals on the X0 10 speed are looking good right now, with matching blue highlights.

    I am almost certainly going single chainring now. I checked my existing setup and it is an E13 SRS with ISCG05 and an adaptor plate (which I am currently using on the Chameleon). Without the adaptor plate it should bolt straight on to the Paradox.

    Here is a teaser photo, I am thinking a progressive reveal as the bike gets built up. You know, like a striptease in reverse.


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    Just got to find a place to tuck a dollar bill.
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    Nah, just post up the damn thing built already, who likes a tease
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    Yup, it is definitely coming along nicely. 👏

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    Heres a couple more, apologies for the quality, tomorrows daylight photos should be better.

    Rear brake X0 blue logo.


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    X7 RD, SLX crankset with E13 chainguide and blue pedals.


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    So because Lynx can't wait for the slow reveal, here she is finished in the garage, ready for tomorrow's shakedown ride. Note the HTFU drink bottle.


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    Here is the fork, Manitou Tower Pro 120mm with 15 QR axle.


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    And the cockpit featuring XO brakes and gripshifter, Thomson 70mm stem in silver with blue faceplate and Chris King Inset 3 headset in blue sotte voce, try finding that one in a catalog


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    White saddle offsets the white fork, just enough blue, looks very nice. I think that it was only 50% LyNx couldn't wait, the other 50% was ozy couldn't wait. How late were you up finishing it? Allow plenty of time for your shakedown, you won't want to stop riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    White saddle offsets the white fork, just enough blue, looks very nice. I think that it was only 50% LyNx couldn't wait, the other 50% was ozy couldn't wait. How late were you up finishing it? Allow plenty of time for your shakedown, you won't want to stop riding.
    The white and blue saddle came off my white Chameleon donor bike. The other option is a spare black saddle with silver writing. I think the white and blue saddle finishes it off nicely and ties the whole white and blue theme together. Maybe not being able to find black forks was not such a bad thing after all. It has forced me to be more creative.

    I was only up till about 10pm local time. I had to get some sleep before getting up at 6am for a 7am ride start with one of the local social groups. The build photos were taken in sequence, but the finished build was posted first for the impatient types. Ride report and pictures to come.

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    First ride photos


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    First ride report

    Wow this bike is a lot of fun to ride. It actually rides like a hoped the similarly specced 26er Chameleon would.

    Set up was 110psi in the forks and I measured 109mm of travel used so close enough to perfect setup. Tyres were 20psi front and 25psi rear (both tubed). Lots of traction and grip and no pinch flats or spongy feeling, so again pretty much right first time.

    The chain guide makes a bit of whirring and rubbing noise all the time. On the positive side no chain slap on the frame which is good because I forgot to put the lizard skin on yet.

    The gearing was fine for riding the local single tracks which is what this bike was setup by me for riding. The front chainring is an FSA 36 tooth single speed ring. With no granny ring a few of the climbs were done out of the saddle with no excessive bob from the forks or slip from the rear tyre. I didn't even try the fork settings or lockout.

    The bike is playful to ride, the front feels light and able to be lofted easily. It also feels nimble for a 29er and there were only a few tight corners where it was awkward to get around. I think as I gain confidence in the wheel/tyre combination I will be able to get the cornering speeds up a bit. I was still taking it easy today but always felt like I had tons of grip in reserve. This is in contrast to my normally more XC oriented bikes which tend to have lighter faster rolling tyres on them at higher pressures on narrower rims.

    Build weight is 13.8kg from the bathroom scales (about 30lbs).

    In summary, absolutely no regrets about this bike at all. I always have the 2x9 option to play with if I get bored. Banshee have absolutely nailed how a fun 29'er hardtail should ride.

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    Was going to comment yesterday on the pics, but figured you'd be impatient and post up the first thoughts today Sounds like you managed to get everything right, right out the door, good for you. Now don't just settle for it feels good straight up, right everything down and go experiment and see if you can improve any I'm gona throw one monkey wrench in for fun because I can This bike would look even better with white Flows
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Was going to comment yesterday on the pics, but figured you'd be impatient and post up the first thoughts today Sounds like you managed to get everything right, right out the door, good for you. Now don't just settle for it feels good straight up, right everything down and go experiment and see if you can improve any I'm gona throw one monkey wrench in for fun because I can This bike would look even better with white Flows
    Thanks Lynx, yeah I will try some fine tuning of pressures and stuff.

    White flows, it ain't going to happen any time soon. I am not that big on white wheels with black tyres.

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    ozy, your first ride impression doesn't surprise me one bit, I still feel the same way after almost 2 years on mine. My ride today was only about 14 miles, a little over 1300 ft of chunky climbing, but an awesome 1100 ft bomb run down through a pretty rocky 2 mile long canyon, on my Paradox. I wish I had taken my helmet cam.
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    Another Paradox with gripshifters love it

    Hey ozy

    Great job on the build. Knew you would like it.
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    I was just looking at these on jenson, makes me want it to be my next bike so bad. sounds perfect for what I do.... I am tired of all the "kinks" here and there with FS... want the simplicity of the hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shugarbear View Post
    I was just looking at these on jenson, makes me want it to be my next bike so bad. sounds perfect for what I do.... I am tired of all the "kinks" here and there with FS... want the simplicity of the hardtail.
    If you want a white medium, that $510 price they have is pretty good. Even though the V2 is "new and improved", for a savings of $150 you would have no complaints with the V1, guaranteed.
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    Banshee Paradox Comp Bike 2012 > B > Banshee Bikes | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    I am thinking of just purchasing the complete bike.... I might have a hook up to purchase it. Seems like a good build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post

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    That is a really sweet ride. Blue matches chrome so bad
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    Sorry to drag up an old thread, but unfortunately my pathetic post-count prevents me from starting my own.
    Anyhow, do any of you Paradox owners have any thoughts about the fairly short "reach" measurement on that frame? Disregarding the fact that it comes with a pretty short stem, do you feel that it's at all cramped, especially while seated? The whole reach & stack method of bike measurements has me confused a bit, and I have trouble visualizing how this translates to actual bike fit.
    I'm hoping to build one up as a sort of aggressive XC machine in the very near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tayphoo View Post
    Sorry to drag up an old thread, but unfortunately my pathetic post-count prevents me from starting my own.
    Anyhow, do any of you Paradox owners have any thoughts about the fairly short "reach" measurement on that frame? Disregarding the fact that it comes with a pretty short stem, do you feel that it's at all cramped, especially while seated? The whole reach & stack method of bike measurements has me confused a bit, and I have trouble visualizing how this translates to actual bike fit.
    I'm hoping to build one up as a sort of aggressive XC machine in the very near future.
    Its perfect for what you want. It would not make a great XC race bike with a long inverted stem.

    I am running a 50mm stem and with the short stem and short chainstays the bike is very playful on the trails. Always wants to sit up and beg for more

    I have set mine up as a robust fun bike for my local trails which don't have many challenging hills. So I am running a 120mm fork set up plush, flat pedals, 1x9 with chain guard and a beefy 2.35 nobby nic up front. I run low 20's psi for the front and mid 20's psi for the rear and the bike has tonnes of grip and stability.

    I think my pics are up earlier on this thread.

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    Thanks for the feedback, and your build looks quite slick!
    At this point, I should admit that I'm a card carrying cross-country nerd, though I tend to get a little silly when there are downhills to be bombed or things to launch off of. Not long ago, I test rode a Kona Honzo, complete with super short stem. At first sight, I wasn't sure what to make of it, but I've concluded that this sort of geometry as applied to 29ers is really the way to go for the trails we have in the northeast US; tight, twisty, rocky and nasty. Everything else I tested that day (at NEMBAfest) handled like a dump truck by comparison. So, I'm now on a mission to figure out a good build for a race-able AM hardtail that also puts a smile on my face when I'm not wearing a number plate. My LBS just so happens to carry Banshee.

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    My other geared hardtail is a Niner Air 9 scandium and it is hardly getting ridden on the trails at all. To differentiate it further from the Banshee I put a rigid carbon fork and semi slick tyres on it for fire trail gravel road riding.

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    typhoo. i've been riding my new paradadox v2 frame since december and absolutely love it. i like to race xc but when im not racing i spend loads of time on my back wheel and am constantly look for air, steep decents and drops which is why i went for the more aggressive geometry.

    I am 6'0 ride a L.At first it felt short to me and i hit my knees quite a bit standing on climbs, i have a 70mm on it right now and was thinking of going to 90-100 for xc races. i raced it for the first time on sunday (short 15M of loops wet conditions with one very steep hill climb) and now that i'm used to it dont think i need the longer stem. It climbed great and i was railing the tech decents and one drop that had more xc oriented bikes braking. very little front wheel drift even with my upright set up.

    bottom line the bike is tons of fun and xc worthy if your not afraid of an extra couple of extra pounds!

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    ozinigma i remember seeing those pics when i was doing my research , great looking build! mine was stock from jenson with the comp build, not the prettiest set up but i almost have it looking like i want it too and have managed to drop a pound from the stock 30LBS. Will post some pics once i have all my new shiny bits on and maybe some action and race shots too.

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    Thanks! I imagine I'll just buy one of the Banshee spec'd builds and mod to taste. The triple chainrings are getting tossed right off the bat. I think either a 1x or 2x will do for where I'm rolling. If I can get the thing in the mid-high 20s weight wise, I'll be pretty happy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steineken View Post
    ozinigma i remember seeing those pics when i was doing my research , great looking build! mine was stock from jenson with the comp build, not the prettiest set up but i almost have it looking like i want it too and have managed to drop a pound from the stock 30LBS. Will post some pics once i have all my new shiny bits on and maybe some action and race shots too.
    Thanks mate, I enjoy building and riding my bikes and I like them to look good too.

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    Tayphoo thats my goal too. Will post a pic this week but im in the 29 range. The stock wheels on the complete build are solid but not tubeless and not light. Next year i plan to upgrade wheels and crank from x5 and hopefully get down to 26ish

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    Re: Parodox build tips please

    Sorry for repostong these pics... Just doing so because i said i would post them here and typho is interested in factory build spec.

    Stock comp build vs some upgrades. Saddle, tires, grips, bash, 36middle ring and bling.





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    Thank you! Much appreciated.

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