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    Trying to figure out my drivetrain for new Paradox frame build and could use a bit of help.

    I'd like to get a Race Face Turbine crankset, 2x10 with a nice low granny gear. Which model should I get? I'd like to run a bash guard with it too. I think I can just order a separate Race Face guard to cover the bigger of the 2 rings, but I'm not entirely sure.

    I'm going to use an xt or xtr rear derailleur shadow plus and xt or xtr front. What size cage and what FD do you recommend using?

    I've got everything else sorted out. Going to be a cool ride when done.

    Thanks for any assistance, I appreciate it.

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    Well for me I always have liked the short cage RDs from Shimano, even running a triple crank setup (just need to be a bit more careful with setup and shifting), and for sure going for a 2X setup I'd definitely get the short cage version.

    Can't help you with the RF Turbine crank, but I could point you to a steal of a deal on a 10spd SLX crank. You'll need to have or buy the BB for it though, but they're pretty cheap. Take a peak about that site and you can find loads more of that OEM SLX stuff for pennies

    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    Trying to figure out my drivetrain for new Paradox frame build and could use a bit of help.

    I'd like to get a Race Face Turbine crankset, 2x10 with a nice low granny gear. Which model should I get? I'd like to run a bash guard with it too. I think I can just order a separate Race Face guard to cover the bigger of the 2 rings, but I'm not entirely sure.

    I'm going to use an xt or xtr rear derailleur shadow plus and xt or xtr front. What size cage and what FD do you recommend using?

    I've got everything else sorted out. Going to be a cool ride when done.

    Thanks for any assistance, I appreciate it.
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    shimano doesn't make a true short cage except in saint. the rest of them are medium cage, they are no where near as short as sram shortcage rear deraillers and i wouldn't run a true sram short cage with a triple set up and even a double is a stretch on a full sus bike

    most shimano stuff is designated gs(medium) and sgs(long) the saint comes is ss(short) and now the zee group does too, but it's hard to find any other shimano mtb rear in ss. in the past before saint the dh guys ran road cassettes and road rear deraillers with short cages if they were shimano guys

    The picture lynx has put up is a medium cage rd, not a short. Medium is what to run with a double up front. Slx is the best value crankset out there. I'd go that over race face. Just my 2cents on it. I think the slx double with bash and bb is about $130 from crc
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    What type of FD are you using?
    I had a Shimano XT 9-speed direkt mount an there is not enough space between tire and the FD, in my opinion. On my 2soulscycles SlimJim it was ok. Is the Sram FD different. I think about to modify the Shimano and cut of the down pull thing... then it will fit I think.

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    Yeah, that's the fix for those FDs. Sadly the damn manufacturers seem to think it's a great idea to build and introduce a zillion different designs and confuse the living hell out of consumers - there's something like 40 or 50 different FDs out there in terms of design and fit
    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    What type of FD are you using?
    I had a Shimano XT 9-speed direkt mount an there is not enough space between tire and the FD, in my opinion. On my 2soulscycles SlimJim it was ok. Is the Sram FD different. I think about to modify the Shimano and cut of the down pull thing... then it will fit I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    What type of FD are you using?
    I had a Shimano XT 9-speed direkt mount an there is not enough space between tire and the FD, in my opinion. On my 2soulscycles SlimJim it was ok. Is the Sram FD different. I think about to modify the Shimano and cut of the down pull thing... then it will fit I think.
    When I first built up my bike I fitted a XT nine speed. The nine speed is designed for a three ring crankset and therefore has a fairly long cage which got very close to the rear tire. I then fitted a XT 10 speed derailleur which is designed for two rings. I use it with a 9 speed front shifter and it works well. It does take a bit more adjustment though. I would also recommend cutting off the down-pull lever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    Here it is:
    Veery nice. The waiting was worthy!!!

    Please tell us, what build you think to put on this bike?
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    @LyNx and Ronnie: Many thanks for your answers.
    I have both XT FDs, the 9 speed and also the 10 speed. On my SlimJim I used the 9 speed but I thought about to take the 10 speed, it would fit much better.

    @Helmetless and all:
    For me the build is very easy. I only have to put the parts from the SlimJim to the Paradox:
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    Fork: RS Reba RLT TI 140 mm (with option to change to 120mm)
    Headset: Hope
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    Brakes: Avid Juicy 5
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    Crankset: Shimano XT triple, 22/32 + Truvativ Stylo AM Bashguard
    Cassette: Shimano XT 9 speed 11-34
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    FrontD: Shimano XT 9 speed or 10 speed (as recommended)
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    What's wrong with your 2Souls Slim-Jim? That's one frame I'm still lusting after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    What's wrong with your 2Souls Slim-Jim? That's one frame I'm still lusting after.
    Everything is ok with the SlimJim but in the moment I believe that the Paradox fits just a bit more. I will test it in the next time. Here in my region of Germany I ride more AM than EN/FR. Thatīs the reason why I also try the Paradox...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    Everything is ok with the SlimJim but in the moment I believe that the Paradox fits just a bit more. I will test it in the next time. Here in my region of Germany I ride more AM than EN/FR. Thatīs the reason why I also try the Paradox...
    Very well, looking forward to your review comparison. What size what your SJ? Large?
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    Itīs an XL.
    With my 188cm I was between large and xlarge.
    And because of my riding style (more or less AM) I thought the xlarge would be perfect, and it nearly is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    Itīs an XL.
    With my 188cm I was between large and xlarge.
    And because of my riding style (more or less AM) I thought the xlarge would be perfect, and it nearly is...
    Seems like you're in between again for the Paradox L and XL lol.

    The Paradox will definitely be a smaller bike, looking at the geometry, the L Paradox will be about 25mm shorter in reach and ETT from the XL SJ.
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    Yes, your right. But I think that the large Paradox would fit perfect.

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    POLL:

    Cable color for black Paradox? Black,white, or silver?

    Running white Tower pro fork, white saddle, white charger pro rims, xt silver drivetrain and brakes, red Race Turbine handlebars,silver water cage.

    Thank you fashionmeisters !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    POLL:

    Cable color for black Paradox? Black,white, or silver?

    Running white Tower pro fork, white saddle, white charger pro rims, xt silver drivetrain and brakes, red Race Turbine handlebars,silver water cage.

    Thank you fashionmeisters !
    Just a humble opinion here... my vote is White!!!

    btw blue does look good matching a black frame. Mine has brand new jagwire ripcords in SID blue color and looks nice
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    I prefer black...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    I prefer black...
    word. colored housing is gay

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    word. Colored housing is gay
    +1111
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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    word. colored housing is gay
    What this one supposed to mean? Is it scientically proven or you wanted to pronounce
    out loud how male you are (got some issues?)
    or you wanted to ridicule those who like colored housing
    but non the less are straight while off the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrisuta View Post
    What this one supposed to mean? Is it scientically proven or you wanted to pronounce
    out loud how male you are (got some issues?)
    or you wanted to ridicule those who like colored housing
    but non the less are straight while off the bike?
    He meant this
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    ha, didn' t mean to create such an uproar with my poll. Seriously, I guess I am out of touch when it comes to bicycle accessorizing. I thought white or silver cables might be a fun change of pace, but I don' t want to jeopardize my heterosexuality. It' s just not worth the risk, especially if my wife found out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    ha, didn' t mean to create such an uproar with my poll. Seriously, I guess I am out of touch when it comes to bicycle accessorizing. I thought white or silver cables might be a fun change of pace, but I don' t want to jeopardize my heterosexuality. It' s just not worth the risk, especially if my wife found out.
    it'd be worse if you rode with no seat

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    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    word. colored housing is gay
    Myth.

    In my personal case must say I am an ocd biker, or fashion biker in a way (if you wanna call me that), but my pants are always behind the skirts!!!!
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    Day one of build done...need more parts

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    Hey Guys

    Just got myself a Banshee Paradox V2 frame and I'm in the process of building her up.
    Ive got all the parts except the Fork.
    Im gunna have full XT 10 speed drivetrain with SLX brakes,Sunringle Black flag pro wheelset,fat tyres short stem and wide bars. Plus I might use either a reverb or KS dropper seatpost.
    About the fork im not sure what to get.
    Ive narrowed it down to these three.
    # rockshox Sid RCT3 120mm
    #Fox Float 29 120mm CTD
    #Manitou Tower pro 120mm

    All are a 2013 model and have a tappered steerer and a 15mm thru axle.
    Im not concerned about the price Im just after the best matching one for this bike.
    What do you guys think would be best?
    My riding style is more on the aggressive side of XC but Im not a very heavy guy only weigh 160 pounds. I like to pop off all manner of terrain and often hit 2-3 foot drops. This bike will be my "XC' bike.
    I have a 6 inch dually that I use for the more rocky technical stuff.
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    I'm not cheap, but I don't like paying more than I need to for a product, hence out of those I'd say the Tower (Minute) would be my choice - loads of clearance in the arch, great damepening, much lower price tag than the others. This being said I'd also suggest you check out the X-Fusion stuff, for great bang for your $$. The new TRACE fork comes with 34mm stanchions and a slick ano coating, can be run anywhere from 140mm down to 80mm through internal travel adjust or you can get an external DLA model to do 140/110 and there's even a Uni-Crown version for a bit more $$, which should shave a bit of weight an eliminate any possibility of a squeaky crown/steerer interface. First Look! 2013 X-Fusion Forks, Hilo SL Dropper Post and the 165g Microlite Rear Shock! - Bike Rumor
    Quote Originally Posted by DanoXC View Post
    Hey Guys

    Just got myself a Banshee Paradox V2 frame and I'm in the process of building her up.
    Ive got all the parts except the Fork.
    Im gunna have full XT 10 speed drivetrain with SLX brakes,Sunringle Black flag pro wheelset,fat tyres short stem and wide bars. Plus I might use either a reverb or KS dropper seatpost.
    About the fork im not sure what to get.
    Ive narrowed it down to these three.
    # rockshox Sid RCT3 120mm
    #Fox Float 29 120mm CTD
    #Manitou Tower pro 120mm

    All are a 2013 model and have a tappered steerer and a 15mm thru axle.
    Im not concerned about the price Im just after the best matching one for this bike.
    What do you guys think would be best?
    My riding style is more on the aggressive side of XC but Im not a very heavy guy only weigh 160 pounds. I like to pop off all manner of terrain and often hit 2-3 foot drops. This bike will be my "XC' bike.
    I have a 6 inch dually that I use for the more rocky technical stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I'm not cheap, but I don't like paying more than I need to for a product, hence out of those I'd say the Tower (Minute) would be my choice - loads of clearance in the arch, great damepening, much lower price tag than the others. This being said I'd also suggest you check out the X-Fusion stuff, for great bang for your $$. The new TRACE fork comes with 34mm stanchions and a slick ano coating, can be run anywhere from 140mm down to 80mm through internal travel adjust or you can get an external DLA model to do 140/110 and there's even a Uni-Crown version for a bit more $$, which should shave a bit of weight an eliminate any possibility of a squeaky crown/steerer interface. First Look! 2013 X-Fusion Forks, Hilo SL Dropper Post and the 165g Microlite Rear Shock! - Bike Rumor
    Hey LynX

    Thanks for the quick reply mate.

    Yeah, the X-fusion Trace forks were my original choice but my Bike parts supplier informed me that prodution models have been knocked back further. So theres no proper estimated time for release.
    I was steering towards buying the Manitou Tower fork because ive read nothing but glowing reviews on them but they just didnt have the fancy big brand name behind them.
    But at the end of the day its all about the performance on the trail and with the cash I'll save I'll probably get a dropper post.
    Cheers,
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    Waiting (impatiently) for spokes/nipples now

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    Re: Paradox Updated for 2012

    Mr 68 and danon, looks like both of you have some awesome builds going. I got a complete build but just put some bling on it. Check pics from stock to now, pretty happy with how she looks for now but have a couple small ideas. Red zips for cable housing, removing rim stickers....

    Danon the tower rocks, im 195lbs use it for racing xc and hit drops up to 4ft so far no problems. Anno red cap might not go with your blue theme tjough...

















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    Re: Paradox Updated for 2012

    Mr 68 and danon, looks like both of you have some awesome builds going. I got a complete build but just put some bling on it. Check pics from stock to now, pretty happy with how she looks for now but have a couple small ideas. Red zips for cable housing, removing rim stickers....

    Danon the tower rocks, im 195lbs use it for racing xc and hit drops up to 4ft so far no problems. Anno red cap might not go with yout blue theme though....







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    Nothing wrong with the Manitou Tower 120mm.

    Check out my build pictures.

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    I just got a set of wide Blackspire riser bars in PC white. I think I will cut them down the same width as the current Race Face bars which are pretty much the right width.

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    Snagged a ver2 Paradox the other day, starting to stockpile parts for the build but really just need a front fork and front wheel that will take a thru axle.
    Looking like it's going to be the same mixed XT/X9 build that I've got on my Access9r, Thomson cockpit, Truvativ boobars. Went really cheap on the Access build to see if I'd dig 29ers so having a nice new frame will no doubt further the upgradeitis.

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    Bike looks great Steineken. I see alot of guys running the Tower forks on the Paradox but I think I'll try something different. I'm gunna go with a 2013 Rockshox Sid RCT3 120mm.

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    XTR FD-M986-D (direct mount 2X10) rubs bad with 2.35 Nobby Nics. Plenty of frame clearance though.

    Any ideas/confirmed 2X10 Shimano FD's that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. 68 Hundred View Post
    :|

    XTR FD-M986-D (direct mount 2X10) rubs bad with 2.35 Nobby Nics. Plenty of frame clearance though.

    Any ideas/confirmed 2X10 Shimano FD's that work?
    I think I've posted this picture before. I've got a XT 786 with a Nobby Nic 2.25. I cut the arm for bottom pull fitting of with a Dremel and there is sufficient space. I've never tried a 2.35 on the back. I'd like to but is does look a bit tight. Not so much in the frame but as far as the derailleur spacing is concerned.

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    Thanks Ronnie for the quick response. I just cut the arm off the derailleur and now the center knobs have plenty of space but the side knobs are still hitting the coil spring/spring cover around the lowest pivot. I thought about cutting off/down all the right side knobs but figured there might be a time or two I'd like to turn right.

    I definitely want to keep the 2.35's, and I wouldn't mind having space for the new 2.5" Minions for rough trails. 99% sure I'm going to just suck it up and go 1 X 10. I'm bummed about loosing the range I would have gotten with the 26/38, but I think I'll be able to live with a 32T.

    Maybe I can give up 2.35's on the Paradox when I get my 6" full squish...
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    I suggest that if you're running an external BB crankset to just add a 2.5mm spacer to the drive side to space the cranks out further and give the FD a bit more room. If you're running a double there's absolutely nothing bad to this as it will actually improve the chainline for the 2X setup, if it's a tripple will have to watch you Big Ring combos for cross chaining.

    Also if I'm not mistaken, some of the 2X specific cranksets already have this built it to put the spiders further outboard, think SLX.

    The new Direct Mount FD design helps in some ways, but hinders in others. I have the original Paradox and am using an old XT M750 FD and it has decent clearance with the 2.55" WW LT outback, I also do the extra 2.5mm spacer thing as well which adds a bit more.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. 68 Hundred View Post
    Thanks Ronnie for the quick response. I just cut the arm off the derailleur and now the center knobs have plenty of space but the side knobs are still hitting the coil spring/spring cover around the lowest pivot. I thought about cutting off/down all the right side knobs but figured there might be a time or two I'd like to turn right.

    I definitely want to keep the 2.35's, and I wouldn't mind having space for the new 2.5" Minions for rough trails. 99% sure I'm going to just suck it up and go 1 X 10. I'm bummed about loosing the range I would have gotten with the 26/38, but I think I'll be able to live with a 32T.

    Maybe I can give up 2.35's on the Paradox when I get my 6" full squish...
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    Wheels? Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I suggest that if you're running an external BB crankset to just add a 2.5mm spacer to the drive side to space the cranks out further and give the FD a bit more room. If you're running a double there's absolutely nothing bad to this as it will actually improve the chainline for the 2X setup, if it's a tripple will have to watch you Big Ring combos for cross chaining.
    Thanks LyNx!

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    ~26.5 pounds minus front 180 rotor, rear 160 rotor and a missing chain.
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    Pucker Day is officially over.

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    Took 4" off the front brake line, 9" off the rear, final cut on the steerer tube and took 6 cm off my bars. First time doing hydraulic lines and first time cutting carbon; thus the name Pucker Day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. 68 Hundred View Post
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    Took 4" off the front brake line, 9" off the rear, final cut on the steerer tube and took 6 cm off my bars. First time doing hydraulic lines and first time cutting carbon; thus the name Pucker Day.
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    We expect proper final pics!!!
    Will do; hopefully by next week; waiting on saddle and front chainring.

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    Curious how those carbon bars feel when you get your Prime built. What other bars have you ridden, carbon or alu? I ride the FUNN Fatboy bars on my 2 bikes and find they're super stiff, feel no flex at all, but I did a little ride around on a SJ FSR S-Works and could immediately feel that carbon flex under my paltry 170lbs. Expect the Enve would be a lot stiffer than those SpecialED bars.
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    Re: Paradox Updated for 2012

    Thanks danon. The sid will probly save you some weight and the black/ano blue will lool sick on the polished frame. Look forrward to pix

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Curious how those carbon bars feel when you get your Prime built. What other bars have you ridden, carbon or alu? I ride the FUNN Fatboy bars on my 2 bikes and find they're super stiff, feel no flex at all, but I did a little ride around on a SJ FSR S-Works and could immediately feel that carbon flex under my paltry 170lbs. Expect the Enve would be a lot stiffer than those SpecialED bars.
    1) Various aluminum bars from the early 90's and later. No real issues but we didn't know anything then.
    2) Scott thermopastic/carbon CC bars; very strong (I think fatigue cycles was their best feature) but noodle like flex; hated them. Didn't realize what the problem was until I got something stiffer.
    3) Replaced them with a mid-range aluminum AM bar, might have been an Easton product. Seemed fine, especially coming from the noodle bars.
    4) Holzfeller's on my STP. These bars I do like and would have been more than happy to put them on this bike but kind of got the ENVE carbon buzz and their bars is what I could afford. I too am looking forward to comparing the ENVEs to the Truvativs. When I bought the ENVEs, I basically assumed they're strong and stiff because Santa Cruz races with them. We'll see.

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    Edit: Ok, so when you live in BFE, it takes the better part of 2 weeks to get stuff from England; even when paying for DHL delivery. "5 minutes Turkish..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steineken View Post
    Thanks danon. The sid will probly save you some weight and the black/ano blue will lool sick on the polished frame. Look forrward to pix

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    No worries mate.
    But Ive changed my mind and bought a different fork. I got a really good deal on a 2012 Marzocchi 44 Micro TI 120mm fork. Im instaling them tomorrow. Will post up pics once complete.
    So ive actaully bought the heaviest 29er fork of the lot. Lol, I hope its plush atleast.

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    Commence reactor powerup...

    ...so I can do a proper shakedown run. Need the snow (trail snow, not driveway snow) gone first though :| Anyway, all the parts are installed and it's ready to go; maybe a little tweaking of the chainline left so I might be ordering some longer chainring bolts, but I don't think so. Possibly will be fabricating a chain guide; depends on how well Shimano's clutch works.

    I've only ridden it for a couple of blocks and it seems OK; nothing bad or weird. I've been riding an STP for a couple of years and it seems very similar; just with the big wheel feel and a not-so-cramped cockpit.

    Especially happy about finding the saddle. Couldn't find it anywhere and it appeared to be simply unavailable. Bel-Air with titanium rails in brown straight from CRC along with the Hope IBR (or was it PBR; can't remember). B*tchin'.

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    On a side note, I don't know if there's going to be space to run the new Maxxis 2.5" DHF's. Chainstays and seatstays have room but I'm literally 2.2 mm from hitting the seat tube/direct mount with 2.35" NN's. If I hadn't just set them up tubeless, I'd throw the HD on the back to check clearances.

    27 pounds even (+ .1 pounds)
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    Nice bike up there!!! that saddle is really cool. Matches with kashima coat pretty well
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