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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Check out CRC for some great deals on everything They do really have some killer deals on bars, so give them a look and lots of wide ones, including flat and wide. No matter how much sweep, you'll most likely want at least a 10mm shorter stem, but order the bar first and see if it feels too stretched out, if so then order a shorter stem. BTW, how tall are you? I used to run an 80mm stem and 750mm wide bar on an XL and I'm 6'2" with very long arms and 35.25" inseam.

    Dropper post, I was running a X-Fusion HiLo for about 3-4 months and it never gave any trouble, but sold it to someone who needed it more than I as he's not really very good technically and I sort of needed the cash at the time - regret selling it TBH, will get another as soon as they come back in stock.
    Again, thanks for the tips. I am about 6' 1", 34" inseam. With the current setup on the size L frame I am definitely not feeling too stretched out (and I generally prefer a shorter cockpit).

    To be honest what surprised me the most was how 'normal' the bike feels. I guess I was expecting a massive change in handling from my KM given the much slacker front end, but I immediately felt at home on it. It's a good climbing bike for sure, and descending of course felt much more sure footed. That 140mm fork up front is writing checks the rear end can't cash ;-) Looking forward to breaking it in over the winter.

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    So sad. Sold the Paradox frame today. Couldn't really justify having two, 29" AM hardtails.
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    Yeah, steering feels nice and not a whole lot different than my Monkey on the flats, but point it DH and worlds different. Little FYI, if you run a 120mm fork on the Monkey you get about the same HTA as the Paradox, slightly slacker STA (which works for me) and a higher BB (at least compared to the V1 I had, they raised it a tad on the V2 AFAIK). I did this with my Monkey, but just didn't feel confident leaving it like that as to me it was just over what the frame was initially designed for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes View Post
    Again, thanks for the tips. I am about 6' 1", 34" inseam. With the current setup on the size L frame I am definitely not feeling too stretched out (and I generally prefer a shorter cockpit).

    To be honest what surprised me the most was how 'normal' the bike feels. I guess I was expecting a massive change in handling from my KM given the much slacker front end, but I immediately felt at home on it. It's a good climbing bike for sure, and descending of course felt much more sure footed. That 140mm fork up front is writing checks the rear end can't cash ;-) Looking forward to breaking it in over the winter.
    Sad indeed, can't wait to get my hands on the new V2 sometime next year, really do miss how much fun it was.
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    So sad. Sold the Paradox frame today. Couldn't really justify having two, 29" AM hardtails.
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    Speaking of V2's....

    I've been working 70+ hour weeks lately, haven't even been on a bike in 3 weeks, I've had a horrible cold for 2 weeks.

    I finally got out for a ride yesterday, took the Paradox up on National trail, a very gnarly and nasty bunch of tech goodness. There is a particularly fast and chunky 1.6 mile stretch with lots of tight turns, big rocks, some scary drops, some scarier drops into big rocks, etc. I beat my best time coming through that stretch, a best time that was set on my Prime. I didn't climb the best yesterday, but boy did I shred coming down.

    For those that aren't in the know, I'm riding a 140mm Pike on my V2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Yeah, steering feels nice and not a whole lot different than my Monkey on the flats, but point it DH and worlds different. Little FYI, if you run a 120mm fork on the Monkey you get about the same HTA as the Paradox, slightly slacker STA (which works for me) and a higher BB (at least compared to the V1 I had, they raised it a tad on the V2 AFAIK). I did this with my Monkey, but just didn't feel confident leaving it like that as to me it was just over what the frame was initially designed for.
    Hmmm... well, I thought I was being naughty bumping my Reba from 80mm to 100m on the KM (which I definitely like). But if the 140mm Revelation has taught me anything it's that bigger is better...

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    Well, I picked up Mr. 68's frame as it was local and a fair price. I was originally after a Yelli to compliment my V2 N9 SS, but I sure am glad that this frame became available to me. Got it put together and took her out on a 10 mile shake down ride out in Gallup, NM at the high desert trail system. It's fast, light(ish), stiff and geared, everything I was after.

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    Nice.

    I had considered a Yelli before I picked up my V1 Paradox, I'm on to a V2 Paradox now, never been on a Yelli, for a hardtail monster I don't know how anything could be better than a Paradox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopbreakindown View Post
    Well, I picked up Mr. 68's frame...


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    After dropping a chain yesterday I chopped 3 links out and finished tweaking my Paradox 1x10 setup with a good cleanup and removing the bash guard. I also shifted the dropper post remote to under the left brake.

    The setup is SLX cranks, Raceface 34 tooth wide narrow chainring (blue), Chris King BB (blue), X0 brakes, rear derailleur and trigger shifters (blue logos), Rockshox Reverb dropper post with remote.


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    Blue bits look nice, especially the Thomson with blue faceplate. Would do the same to my Thomsons, sadly they're all too long now, a throw back from my early long stem/narrow bar XC days
    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    After dropping a chain yesterday I chopped 3 links out and finished tweaking my Paradox 1x10 setup with a good cleanup and removing the bash guard. I also shifted the dropper post remote to under the left brake.

    The setup is SLX cranks, Raceface 34 tooth wide narrow chainring (blue), Chris King BB (blue), X0 brakes, rear derailleur and trigger shifters (blue logos), Rockshox Reverb dropper post with remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    After dropping a chain yesterday I chopped 3 links out and finished tweaking my Paradox 1x10 setup with a good cleanup and removing the bash guard. I also shifted the dropper post remote to under the left brake.

    The setup is SLX cranks, Raceface 34 tooth wide narrow chainring (blue), Chris King BB (blue), X0 brakes, rear derailleur and trigger shifters (blue logos), Rockshox Reverb dropper post with remote.
    Notice any chain retention difference with the narrow/wide (or have you not ridden it yet)? Assuming that's why you ditched the bash? I do like the blue, for some reason all of my bikes have had some sort of white/red/black scheme, dammit! Sweet setup there.

    I think I need to pick up a 30t version of that ring and shorten my chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by extremedave View Post
    Notice any chain retention difference with the narrow/wide (or have you not ridden it yet)? Assuming that's why you ditched the bash? I do like the blue, for some reason all of my bikes have had some sort of white/red/black scheme, dammit! Sweet setup there.

    I think I need to pick up a 30t version of that ring and shorten my chain.
    Its been an evolution. The original setup was 1x9 with a chain guide and the bash ring. Images are on this forum somewhere or flick through my flickr photo stream.

    I only dropped the chain a couple of times with the chain guide when it would slip between the chain guide and the chain ring. Come to think of it this might have only started after I put a 10 speed chain on.

    I put the wide narrow on about the same time or shortly after converting the rest of the drivetrain to 1x10. Until a couple of days ago I had not dropped a chain with the wide narrow. Basically I was too conservative in leaving the chain a bit long. The RD wasn't fully taking up the slack in the highest gears.

    I was comfortable taking two links out but took three and checked that the RD could just handle the lowest gear. There is hardly any slack in the chain now and I don't expect I will drop a chain again.

    The bash guard came off because its not needed for chain retention and with a 34 ring on a 29'er I am not hitting anything with it riding XC trails.

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    The race face narrow-wide came out shortly after my build otherwise I'd be running it. I've dropped off the inside a few times so hoping for a solution; like you I'm probably a hair too long on the chain. I do like the look of the chain ring without a bash, and with a 30t I should have tons of clearance. The bash is only 40g or so but if I don't need it all the better. Thanks for the info!
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    I will be switching cranks to a X9 w/ an absolute black 30t N/W when they become available. Also like the look of the chainring w/out a bash but want to protect my $70 chainring, so I found a new taco from Blackspire that mounts to the ISCG-05 tabs.

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    Slightly modified, still up-to-date.

    Looking forward to having a Spitfire or Phantom, stealth black! That'd be cool.
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    ...and looking forward to switch to Sram X01 groupset or something close
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    Wanna try hammershmidt?

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    may i introduce to you ... my new mountain toy

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    Looking Good!

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    Picked up a new seatpost.





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    In case any Paradoxers missed it, here is my new build > New Paradox build

    Converted to SS last night, photos & details to follow.

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    Well, I just received my V2 Paradox as an interim for the Phantom, will move into the rental fleet once that gets here (that was the plan all along), but I'll have some fun playing on it until my FS addiction gets fed. Hoping to start building her up this weekend, but not sure, quite busy right now and still have the Prime. Will say, compared to the V1 Paradox all those subtle little changes they made sure have made the frame a whole lot nicer. Tinkering with the idea of having it stripped and PCd before I build her since, well honestly it's not a rush.
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    Any changes to these for 2015? Considering building a HT to split duty with my Rune.
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    I haven't heard of any changes to the Paradox, can't see a single thing that needs changing since the original update from the V1. Only thing that they maybe could do is to make the drop outs like the FS bikes with ability to use different axle standards and have the adjustable geo, but from e-mails with Keith that didn't seem something they were even considering. Other than that only thing I'd not mind seeing is clearance for 29+ tyres in the rear, actually this would make much more sense than the replaceable drop outs.

    Only bit of advice I'd give if you're going to be rinning a setup requiring an FD is to get one of the new XTR side swing FDs that has no part that goes between the ST and tyre, as space is close back there with big rubber like a 2.4" Ardent and an FD.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    Any changes to these for 2015? Considering building a HT to split duty with my Rune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Other than that only thing I'd not mind seeing is clearance for 29+ tyres in the rear, actually this would make much more sense than the replaceable drop outs.
    Yep - a skosh more room out back for a proper 2.4" tire and mud clearance would be a useful tweak. I'm running a SRAM X7 f. der and a 2.2" tire is about as big as I'd want to go and still have a little clearance for mud. In any case I absolutely love mine, great all-around HT.

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    My v. 2, just picked up on eBay recently for a good price at Bike Wagon. XL with bits from an Airborne Goblin I rode previously. Actually, some of the parts for this build have been on 5 different bikes.

    11-36 1x9 X7 with a stealth just-in-case granny, Deore crank with RF 34 NW, Juicy 5 brakes, Fox OEM 120mm fork, Thomson post and stem with Specialized 30" DH bar (I like the rise). Oh, an older Stans Flow rear wheel and a Specialized/DT Swiss 520 front.

    Now to see how it rides...1"-2" rain expected this weekend so the trails are closed.

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    I'm actually waiting on my fresh XL raw Paradox to get here. Total budget build with all take off parts I had laying around and slightly used stuff. So stoked for a new ride to take over on some of the stuff the Rune seemed a bit much for.
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    After around 5 rides, a couple of those being work commutes with side trips to local trails, this thing rides amazingly!! Best riding hard tail I have been on yet and it is so much fun on a combo of XC and some small jump lines. Weighs 28lbs, 10oz with pedals, which is only one pound heavier than my previous Airborne Goblin. Not bad for a much stiffer and what I hope will be a longer lasting, beefier frame.

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    Hahahahaha Sorry to laugh at you, but that was how I was building up my first Paradox also, a 2nd/cheap bike with old parts I had around, something to play on, but not my main ride That didn't last long however and it soon was adorned with all the best parts I owned and was my main ride and had not had so much fun or cleared so much tech until then on a bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    I'm actually waiting on my fresh XL raw Paradox to get here. Total budget build with all take off parts I had laying around and slightly used stuff. So stoked for a new ride to take over on some of the stuff the Rune seemed a bit much for.

    Glide, yes, ain't it fun, hope it lasts you a good long time, definitely must be feeling a lot more capable than the Airborne, geometry makes such a difference to a bike. Waiting on a fork to get mine built back up and have some testing to do on it for a bit more fun, but will have to wait on that until I can find and afford the new parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Hahahahaha Sorry to laugh at you, but that was how I was building up my first Paradox also, a 2nd/cheap bike with old parts I had around, something to play on, but not my main ride That didn't last long however and it soon was adorned with all the best parts I owned and was my main ride and had not had so much fun or cleared so much tech until then on a bike.
    I guess that's the way it goes lol. I haven't owned a hardtail in a very long time. I'm sure the difference between the Rune and Paradox will be huge.
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    My frame came in yesterday just before leaving to go out riding. Waiting on my headset and need wheels yet.
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    Dumb question what is the rear wheel spacing? One spot on the Banshee site says its 135 on the geom tab but the spec tab shows it coming with a 12x142 hub. So I measured it and its 140 apart now which is between both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    Dumb question what is the rear wheel spacing? One spot on the Banshee site says its 135 on the geom tab but the spec tab shows it coming with a 12x142 hub. So I measured it and its 140 apart now which is between both.

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    I just want to make sure I get the right rear hub for the frame.
    It doesn't look like anything has changed. My Paradox V2 is a standard 135mm. dropout. Most new wheelsets these days are convertable between various sizes with different end caps. My Sunringlé Chargers came with 142 X 12 axle and end caps for 135mm. Surely you can measure and see that your dropouts are 10mm. vertical.
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    Took the budget build out for its first real ride today

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    Build ended up being pretty decent for being leftovers and parts bought by selling other parts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
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    Damn Glide, you might have more exposed post on your XL frame than me and I thought I had the tallest seat in the thread.

    I'll try to get some pics of my bike soon, made a few changes over the last year. Went from a 32T with E13 chainguide to a narrow/wide 32T RaceFace ring to a 30/34 Absolute Black Oval chainring. Seatpost is now a shimmed 27.2mm Thomson for a little extra comfort over long days in the saddle (hoping to get a dropper post sometime this year).

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    Inspirational thread you guys have here!! And I have to say it shook up my whole stable..
    Thought I was happy on my full suspension. Thought I was buying a used v1 Paradox to
    To ride while I was building my cracked jet 9s replacement.. Well I was wrong!! Built up the Bandit as
    The jet replacement But cant stay off of the paradox.. Now I have the V 2s on racks in the garage waiting on parts..

    Inspirational for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    Damn Glide, you might have more exposed post on your XL frame than me and I thought I had the tallest seat in the thread.
    Camera angle. Looks like I have a 26" front wheel too. Looking at the pic you posted of yours, mine isn't out that much further.
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    Pretty sure LyNx jinxed me, I'm already thinking of pulling my X11 crankset and direct mount off my Rune along with the XO shifters and 10pd stuff.

    I got 2 rides on this bike and am plenty stoked about riding it. I do wish the seat tube was shorter, my 4" travel dropper is as deep as it can go. Maybe I'm just used to riding a 150mm dropper though.
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    dr76, how tall are you?
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    Interesting how different tall dudes use droppers. I'm 6'8" and use a dropper on my FS but I use a lot less travel range with mine, maybe about 2" at the most and I never have it slammed DH style like you have yours in the lowered position.
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    I'm sure a lot depends on how and what you ride.
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    True that. I'm mostly XC/trail but when I do the occasional gravity park or DH line, the post is lower.

    It's just that in your pic, the post looks really low for a guy your size on an XL frame.
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    Its all the way down, its 100mm higher when extended. My leg is almost straight when the pedal is at the bottom of the stroke and the post is all the way up.
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    Have any of you tried the 650b+ option yet?

    I'd be interested to know what you through of the 650+ vs 29er on a variety of terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    It's just that in your pic, the post looks really low for a guy your size on an XL frame.
    On the other hand, a 22" ST on an XL frame is pretty tall. I wish I could get a longer top tube but any shreddy hardtails like this that have longer top-tubes have 2" shorter seat-tubes which doesnt work for me, even with a 410mm Thomson (I need at least a 21" ST with a 410mm Thomson at the minimum insertion mark).

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    Hum, were'd you get ahold of a 650B Chronicle? Holding out on us huh Wishing to get ahold of one of the WTB 2.8", but it's looking like that 3" Knard is fitting just fine. Wanting to do this to a Medium frame to try and improve standover just a bit to make it fit a smaller person (essentially make it a Small), also would love to try it for myself.

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    I'd be interested to know what you through of the 650+ vs 29er on a variety of terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    On the other hand, a 22" ST on an XL frame is pretty tall. I wish I could get a longer top tube but any shreddy hardtails like this that have longer top-tubes have 2" shorter seat-tubes which doesnt work for me, even with a 410mm Thomson (I need at least a 21" ST with a 410mm Thomson at the minimum insertion mark).
    The seat tube being so long is the only thing I dislike so far. My friend just picked up a Transam in XL hoping to check it out in the next few weeks. It looks to be a good bit shorter ST. The biggest thing I miss now is my 150mm dropper that's on my Rune.
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    Interested to see a pic looking down through the chain stay at the tire clearance. Also, what fork are you using?
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    Interested to see a pic looking down through the chain stay at the tire clearance. Also, what fork are you using?
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    Didn't have a 650b+ fork on this bike (ran 29er up front)... just set up to check rear tire clearance.
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    Looks like some B+ rims and tires may be my next bike.
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    Problem is that there aren't any 650B+ tyres available right now and it's looking like they're still a good ways away. I'm trying to get a hold of some to give a go on my Paradoxes to see about making a Medium into a Medium/Small for shorter riders as standover is a bit high on the Mediums for anyone <5'6", most especially if you're not an advanced rider. Did a mock up with some GOMAs and BB dropped a bit too much to about 11.25", so hoping with the 650B+ tyres that the BB would be more around 11.75" with maybe a slight increase to the travel of the Velvet from 120mm to 130mm, yet still give a standover somewhere around 28.75-29".

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsolizited View Post
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    Erstaunlich! (I liked your description better before translation)

    Wow! That has to be the benchmark for high end Paradoxes in this thread. Very sweet bike.
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    That fork cost double what my entire build did including the frame.


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    I have a paradox v1 singlespeed and I want to mount the fork surly krampus with rabbit hole and knard ...

    what do you think of the paradox 29+ only rigid front?

    has anyone tried? experiences?

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    I don't think I'd like it, would bring the HTA back a couple degrees closer to 71*. I tried a normal KM fork on my V1 Paradox, but not with a 29+ setup and it was too "Old School" geo for me, lost that confidence the Paradox instills on the descents, but if you like more "XC" angles, then maybe - I ride my Monkey rigid with a 29+ front and have fun, but don't descend as I would on a bike with a slacker HTA.

    Quote Originally Posted by paisą View Post
    I have a paradox v1 singlespeed and I want to mount the fork surly krampus with rabbit hole and knard ...

    what do you think of the paradox 29+ only rigid front?

    has anyone tried? experiences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I don't think I'd like it, would bring the HTA back a couple degrees closer to 71*. I tried a normal KM fork on my V1 Paradox, but not with a 29+ setup and it was too "Old School" geo for me, lost that confidence the Paradox instills on the descents, but if you like more "XC" angles, then maybe - I ride my Monkey rigid with a 29+ front and have fun, but don't descend as I would on a bike with a slacker HTA.
    I thought that the steering angle was no longer suffering of so many changes, I did this reasoning:

    paradox geo fork with 120 mm unsagged =axle to crown 530, 506 mm with 20% sag

    fork krampus = 483 + greater radius of the wheel 29+ (778-740) / 2 = 19 ... 483 + 19 = 502mm

    I might as well put a headset with + 5mm on the bottom

    something wrong?

    what do you think?

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    Not sure where you're getting your data from, but the two 29+ tyres I have, at most are 12-15mm taller/diameter than my biggest 2.4" 29er tyre, no where even remotely near 19mm taller - my rollout for the 29+ (which actually only measure 2.85") is 2355 and for the 2.4" is 2280. So ithe frot would raise from 6-7.5mm, 1/2 of the total diameter increase. You really shouldn't believe the BS the industry markets and puts on their tyres.

    Also I now run a V2 Paradox which I much prefer (all the changes I had said that I would like when I had my V1 were done to the V2) and I run it with a 140mm fork, and sometimes a 29+ tyre, so yeah I like a slacker bike, especially a HT.

    Quote Originally Posted by paisą View Post
    I thought that the steering angle was no longer suffering of so many changes, I did this reasoning:

    paradox geo fork with 120 mm unsagged =axle to crown 530, 506 mm with 20% sag
    fork krampus = 483 + greater radius of the wheel 29+ (778-740) / 2 = 19 ... 483 + 19 = 502mm
    I might as well put a headset with + 5mm on the bottom
    something wrong?

    what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I'd be interested to know what you through of the 650+ vs 29er on a variety of terrain.

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    Dammit if this bike hasn't made my Rune collect dust! Tossed a XO crank, Chomag direct mount and converted it to 10spd with a short cage type 2 Sram setup. Half tempted to steal the Enve bars and LEV-ti off my Rune yet for it
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    Ok guys. So I had a paradox which I sold to get a spitfire. Now Im missing my paradox so I have ordered another frame. However I need to work out which forks to run. Its gotta be pikes. But do I run 140mm or 120mm? What benefits do I get from running 140 compared to 120? Does it change the geo to much? I had 120mm fox 32 floats before. Looking to make it a beefed up build this time around.

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    I'd think with a 140, the front would get too light for climbing. After several months on mine with a 120, I am at the loop out limit a lot when climbing steeper, technical stuff where I'm having to lift the front a bit to make a step up. JMO and experience.

    This frame seems ideal with 120, a great all-rounder. Climbs okay, is still very playful, and can rip pretty nicely on the downs.
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    I have a 140 on mine and love it.

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    I have a RS Revelation on mine w/ travel adjust (110mm and 140mm), been very happy with it. The extra travel is most welcome on rocky descents (although the front end can write checks the rear can't cash).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    I have a 140 on mine and love it.
    Easy to love that kind of travel. With the type of terrain I ride and the fact that this bike serves as my XC ride/race bike, I prefer the front a little lower, that's all. Plus, I'm tall, keep the seat fairly high, and so COG is high and rear biased.
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    Anyone know where I can get derailuer hanger replacements online? I bent one and have one to put on but I'd like to grab some more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    Anyone know where I can get derailuer hanger replacements online? I bent one and have one to put on but I'd like to grab some more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    Anyone know where I can get derailuer hanger replacements online? I bent one and have one to put on but I'd like to grab some more.
    Bike Bling has them for $17.99 plus $6 for shipping. I just ordered one cuz my spare went on the bike from a spill this last weekend. I know they're not the billet type but honestly, if I lay the bike down hard enough to bend stuff, I want it to be the hanger and not the frame tab itself or the rd.
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    Ill go a 140mm fork I can always order the new air spring and drop it down to 120mm if I dont like it. Now I need to workout Carbon wheels or not. I run Carbon on my other bikes. I love how stiff they are and how little flex they have. However I think the might be a negative on a paradox with our stiff they already are. Anyone have any thoughts?

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    Not sure how tall Glide is, but I'm 6'2.25" with a 35.25" inseam and I've tried 120mm, 130mm and 140mm on my XL Paradox and love the handling with the 140mm over running it stok with the 120mm, 130mm is OK.
    Now it's not that I want the extra travel, no, it's the slacker HTA that it gives that I love, brings it more inline with the angles on my Phantom when sagged. Also note I tend to run the fork a lot stiffer on a HT than I do on an FS, since I don't want the fork diving through all it's travel easily and changing the HTA by up to nearly 5 degrees.

    Quote Originally Posted by daniel.swattridge View Post
    Ok guys. So I had a paradox which I sold to get a spitfire. Now Im missing my paradox so I have ordered another frame. However I need to work out which forks to run. Its gotta be pikes. But do I run 140mm or 120mm? What benefits do I get from running 140 compared to 120? Does it change the geo to much? I had 120mm fox 32 floats before. Looking to make it a beefed up build this time around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Not sure how tall Glide is, but I'm 6'2.25" with a 35.25" inseam and I've tried 120mm, 130mm and 140mm on my XL Paradox and love the handling with the 140mm over running it stok with the 120mm, 130mm is OK.
    Now it's not that I want the extra travel, no, it's the slacker HTA that it gives that I love, brings it more inline with the angles on my Phantom when sagged. Also note I tend to run the fork a lot stiffer on a HT than I do on an FS, since I don't want the fork diving through all it's travel easily and changing the HTA by up to nearly 5 degrees.



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    Does it really change the headangle by 5 degrees. Or is it 0.5 degrees

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    Read CAREFULLY - I said I don't want the fork diving through ALL of its travel easily, i.e if it's a 140mm/5.5" then each inch is equal to just under 1 degree of change in HTA, so a total change in HTA of about 5 degrees..

    Quote Originally Posted by daniel.swattridge View Post
    Does it really change the headangle by 5 degrees. Or is it 0.5 degrees
    Now going from 120mm to 140mm as I said changes the HTA by just under 1 degree.
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    6' 7.5"

    For me, that 1 degree less for climbing works. Also, it closely matches the HTA of my Stumpy FSR 29. 'Sides, it's a fork I already had sitting around.
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    Oh yeah, you got some height on me, bet your weight is about right over the rear axle, can imagine how your COG would shift with that and you prefer the 120mm setup. I actually even ran a 29+ tyre with the 140mm fork and liked it
    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    6' 7.5"

    For me, that 1 degree less for climbing works. Also, it closely matches the HTA of my Stumpy FSR 29. 'Sides, it's a fork I already had sitting around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    Bike Bling has them for $17.99 plus $6 for shipping. I just ordered one cuz my spare went on the bike from a spill this last weekend. I know they're not the billet type but honestly, if I lay the bike down hard enough to bend stuff, I want it to be the hanger and not the frame tab itself or the rd.
    I ordered 2 and a set of brake pads I needed for free shipping. The picture shows a North shore billet hanger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    I ordered 2 and a set of brake pads I needed for free shipping. The picture shows a North shore billet hanger.
    I think it's the same hanger for the Rune so now you have a spare for both bikes.
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    But does he still actually ride the Rune except for those shuttle type days? LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    I think it's the same hanger for the Rune so now you have a spare for both bikes
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    I ordered 2 and a set of brake pads I needed for free shipping. The picture shows a North shore billet hanger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I actually even ran a 29+ tyre with the 140mm fork and liked it
    All this plus size talk is making me interested to grab a few plus tires for a summer setup. Lace up a 27.5+ for the rear and run a 29+ on the front.

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    Well, I've got a WTB TrailBlazer on it's way to try out, so will def let you know how it goes. Think further up in this thread the guys from Banshee might have posted some pics when they test fit some Maxxis 650B+ rubber into a Paradox frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    All this plus size talk is making me interested to grab a few plus tires for a summer setup. Lace up a 27.5+ for the rear and run a 29+ on the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    I think it's the same hanger for the Rune so now you have a spare for both bikes.
    Its not, the Rune V2 is a lot different. I have a pile of those though.

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    But does he still actually ride the Rune except for those shuttle type days? LOL
    I rode it last week for the first time in a long time only cause the rear wheel from the Paradox was getting new drive side spokes in it. I was wishing I had the Paradox majority of the time. You pretty much nailed it that the only time its going out is for shuttle days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    Its not, the Rune V2 is a lot different. I have a pile of those though.
    Hm I have to look it up but I think the 135x10mm dropouts still use the "old" hanger design...

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    Yeah mine is 12x142
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    Just beginning my Paradox 2014 build (Large Raw frame) - started off by sorting a thru axle for the rear. Halo Supa Drive Hub 135x12, with custom step down axle machined from a 142x12 Banshee axle. Works great!

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    That's pretty slick but FYI I broke 2 of those axles in my Rune. Keeping a back up handy might not be a bad idea.

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    Has anyone drilled their seat tube for stealth dropper post routing yet? Kind of on the fence whether to go this route or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    Has anyone drilled their seat tube for stealth dropper post routing yet? Kind of on the fence whether to go this route or not.
    I wouldn't do it if I had a frame still under warranty. If yours is out of warranty, and you want to try it, it's a risk that the frame may crack at the drilled location.
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    I'd tend to agree with DT, that axle is already hollow, not sure I would trus it stepped down like that, better to either look for a steel stepped down axle OR consider just machining out the drop outs that extra 2mm
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrider76 View Post
    That's pretty slick but FYI I broke 2 of those axles in my Rune. Keeping a back up handy might not be a bad idea.
    I haven't, but I had asked about adding a second set bolt holes for another bottle and when I asked they didn't have a problem with it. Still though, best place to ask would be Banshee directly.

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    Has anyone drilled their seat tube for stealth dropper post routing yet? Kind of on the fence whether to go this route or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I'd tend to agree with DT, that axle is already hollow, not sure I would trus it stepped down like that, better to either look for a steel stepped down axle OR consider just machining out the drop outs that extra 2mm
    I'd bet a SUNringlé 135mm. Rear Conversion Axle would work. It's a 12mm. axle which is 135mm. wide with 10mm. stepdown ends. It can be bolted on or can be used with a QR skewer. I've used one for years and never a problem.

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    I actually have a Nukeproof axle just like that, heavy though. Nukeproof Conversion Kit QR Rear | Chain Reaction Cycles
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    That's pretty slick but FYI I broke 2 of those axles in my Rune. Keeping a back up handy might not be a bad idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    I'd bet a SUNringlé 135mm. Rear Conversion Axle would work. It's a 12mm. axle which is 135mm. wide with 10mm. stepdown ends. It can be bolted on or can be used with a QR skewer. I've used one for years and never a problem.

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    Anyone riding the Paradox with a Rock Shox Sektor Gold Solo Air or a Reba? Currently thinking about the fork I want to use... Also, the general consensus here seems to be that 140mm forks are better suited for the frame than 120mm forks?

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    Can't help you with either of those forks, only ride 34mm stanchions, well except for the Velvet RL2 on my Trance and that fork is the stiffest 32mm stanchion fork I've encountered As to travel length, really all depends on your local trails and personal preference, that being said, yes, love mine with a 140mm fork, just feels right for me. I put it down to getting accustomed to the 68* or so HTA on my FS bikes and so with the Paradox starting out at 68*, but then taking the fork SAG into account it steepens back up, so going to 140mm puts it back to about 68*.

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    Anyone riding the Paradox with a Rock Shox Sektor Gold Solo Air or a Reba? Currently thinking about the fork I want to use... Also, the general consensus here seems to be that 140mm forks are better suited for the frame than 120mm forks?
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    The paradox will be build up as a tour/xc bike only, however, I don't mind riding 140 mm, although I usually tend do ride my forks really stiff. What I don't want is to ruin the geometry since the bike was built around a 120mm fork (source: Banshee website).

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    Can't help you with either of those forks, only ride 34mm stanchions, well except for the Velvet RL2 on my Trance and that fork is the stiffest 32mm stanchion fork I've encountered As to travel length, really all depends on your local trails and personal preference, that being said, yes, love mine with a 140mm fork, just feels right for me. I put it down to getting accustomed to the 68* or so HTA on my FS bikes and so with the Paradox starting out at 68*, but then taking the fork SAG into account it steepens back up, so going to 140mm puts it back to about 68*.

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    Well, that's all I really do on mine and love how it handles, but as I said, my FS are all <68*. Highly suggest unless you already have the 2 forks you mentioned that you take a look at a fork that is easily internally adjustable for the travel. I also run my fork on HTs stiffer than on FS as I just want it to take the edge off and not dive through all it's travel and experience the writing cheques outfront that the back can't handle

    Yes the frame was designed around a 120mm fork and yes the V1 had a HTA of 69* and I was one who thought it needed to be slacker and it would be perfect, but when I got my V2 I tried it with 120mm and then gave 140mm a go and loved it more, as I said, just accustomed to slacker geo now is all.


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    The paradox will be build up as a tour/xc bike only, however, I don't mind riding 140 mm, although I usually tend do ride my forks really stiff. What I don't want is to ruin the geometry since the bike was built around a 120mm fork (source: Banshee website).
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    I have a 140mm Bomber44 micro ti on my Paradox and think it feels great. My other bike had a 65HTA so with the 140 I feel fine. I built it at first with a 100mm fork and it fell very XC, moving to the 140 made it come alive IMHO.
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    Liked mine with a 120mm Fox Talas, switched to a 140mm Pike an have been in sexual bliss every since.
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    Haha!
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    I might go with a 130mm Revelation then. Best of both worlds, hopefully! Anyone has any idea if the Dual Air forks of Rock Shox are worth their money?

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    When I had my Talas I changed the height maybe once or twice then never bothered again, even though it was on the fly simple. Paradox will climb just fine with 130mm.
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