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    update

    forgot...here's the pic!
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    Dude, looks very sweet, must be rock solid with that F34 upfront. If it were me though, I'd most def find a 2nd hand rigid off CL or Fleabay for the commute duties - can't imagine locking that beauty up anywhere and expecting to come back and find it.

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    Built my p'dox up last Friday and promptly took it out for some hollering good fun...Amazing ride - the thing climbs like a goat and rolls wicked fast downhill. I think putting the F34 Talas on there is perfect...keeps the front end from wandering about on the climbs and has loads of travel when you point it down. Overall, with a big XC day, a few solid climbing rides, and a couple of commuting days in, I think I put together just about the right parts mix. King hubs, Stan's Flow hoops, XO Drivetrain and simple Avid mechanicals w/200 mm rotors.....Lovin it!

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    I have a GT peace rigid 9er that does most of the commuting duties....either way, I can stash my ride in a spare office at work behind secured doors! I would NEVER leave this thing locked up outside work! Happy trails, and keep the shiny side up!

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    When I ride to work, the bike comes up to my desk with me. We occasionally get emails reminding us of the bike racks outside, but no chance.

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    Nice bike diggerdog, really nice
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    Nice, Diggerdog. I've got the components for my Paradox V2 Build in the mail.

    Ii just need to find an LBS in Baltimore, MD to build it for me...

    Any suggestions?

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    may we suggest the components?
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    Thanks for the offer, but everything is pretty much in the mail or already here.

    I'm a bit of a Clydesdale (6'2" 245lbs). About 20-25 over where I wanna be, so It may seem like a little bit overkill here and there, but, what the heck... Grin. I'm heavy.

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    Banshee V2 Large Black
    2012 Fox Talas 32 FIT RLC 120 29 Tapered
    Stan's Flow 29er's with Hope Pro2 Evo Hubs
    SRAM X9: 2012 shifters, 26-39 175 Crankset, Front and Rear Derailleurs,11-36 Cassette, Chain
    Shimano 2012 XT Disc Brakes w/Black Ice Rotors (F180/R160)
    Chris King Mixed Tapered Headset
    SRAM BB
    Thomson Stem
    Easton EA70 XC Bars
    Thomson Seatpost
    Selle Anatomico Titanico X Saddle.

    There are other little parts coming in as well... I'm setting the rear hub up as a 10mm Thru Axle with DT Swiss RWS Skewer. The front is the std Fox QR15. I think that this bike is going to respond very well to me throwing my weight around. Pretty Excited.

    Lots of Red Accents scattered throughout. Gotta Rock the Red.

    Oh yeah, tires: Continental X-King Revolution TR 29x2.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowfreq13 View Post
    Thanks for the offer, but everything is pretty much in the mail or already here.

    I'm a bit of a Clydesdale (6'2" 245lbs). About 20-25 over where I wanna be, so It may seem like a little bit overkill here and there, but, what the heck... Grin. I'm heavy.

    Here is the List:

    Banshee V2 Large Black
    2012 Fox Talas 32 FIT RLC 120 29 Tapered
    Stan's Flow 29er's with Hope Pro2 Evo Hubs
    SRAM X9: 2012 shifters, 26-39 175 Crankset, Front and Rear Derailleurs,11-36 Cassette, Chain
    Shimano 2012 XT Disc Brakes w/Black Ice Rotors (F180/R160)
    Chris King Mixed Tapered Headset
    SRAM BB
    Thomson Stem
    Easton EA70 XC Bars
    Thomson Seatpost
    Selle Anatomico Titanico X Saddle.

    There are other little parts coming in as well... I'm setting the rear hub up as a 10mm Thru Axle with DT Swiss RWS Skewer. The front is the std Fox QR15. I think that this bike is going to respond very well to me throwing my weight around. Pretty Excited.

    Lots of Red Accents scattered throughout. Gotta Rock the Red.

    Cheers!!!
    Glad to see you have pretty much the bike i would have recommended, except for that saddle -no because i don't like it but because i don't know it. Waiting then for some pictures!
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    Completed!!! Grin.

    There were a few minor changes to the build. The Fox is the newer 2013 CTD with Trail Adjust model. I went with an X0 FD. Oh, EC70 XC Wide Bars. Not sure about the Carbon, but, truthfully, I don't see any big drops coming my way. They should be good. I need to move the stem down. I get one more cut on the steerer tube from my LBS, so I'm gonna try different heights.

    This bike climbs like a beast. Very Pleased.
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    very nice

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    Very nice indeed.

    I'd suggest not cutting the steerer any shorter myself, just put spacers ontop the stem. Once you don't go crazy and put like 40mm it's all good and if by chance you wanted to install this fork into a frame with longer HT say or sell it, much more options - learned this lesson the hard way

    Quote Originally Posted by Lowfreq13 View Post
    Completed!!! Grin.

    There were a few minor changes to the build. The Fox is the newer 2013 CTD with Trail Adjust model. I went with an X0 FD. Oh, EC70 XC Wide Bars. Not sure about the Carbon, but, truthfully, I don't see any big drops coming my way. They should be good. I need to move the stem down. I get one more cut on the steerer tube from my LBS, so I'm gonna try different heights.

    This bike climbs like a beast. Very Pleased.
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    Figured I'd start at the top and work my way down on the steerer, it is definitely too high. Gonna move it down some today. Silly thing is that I have a second handlebar I can use if after I cut it, I find it to be too short. I know. Ridiculous. So, I have a riser bar as a backup too.

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    But if by chance you decide to change frames or swap that fork to another frame and get a different fork for the Paradox and have cut the steerer too short for the other frame, then you're screwed. I will run as much as 20mm of spacers ontop my stem, 25mm pushing it, but no more than that. Recently using a low rise FUN bar I have taken to flipping my stem to help keep the bar height down while still allowing me to keep the steerer tube above 9.5" in case I want to use the fork on the one frame I have that has a super long HT. Pic attached of my first ride on the Prime, steerer uncut.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lowfreq13 View Post
    Figured I'd start at the top and work my way down on the steerer, it is definitely too high. Gonna move it down some today. Silly thing is that I have a second handlebar I can use if after I cut it, I find it to be too short. I know. Ridiculous. So, I have a riser bar as a backup too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    But if by chance you decide to change frames or swap that fork to another frame and get a different fork for the Paradox and have cut the steerer too short for the other frame, then you're screwed. I will run as much as 20mm of spacers ontop my stem, 25mm pushing it, but no more than that. Recently using a low rise FUN bar I have taken to flipping my stem to help keep the bar height down while still allowing me to keep the steerer tube above 9.5" in case I want to use the fork on the one frame I have that has a super long HT. Pic attached of my first ride on the Prime, steerer uncut.
    LyNx, While I understand that you are looking for versatility, I disagree with you. I have my stem all the way down and about 20mm. of spacers on the top. Any more and I'd be a little nervous of it's potential for impaling various parts of my face or body. I'd rather buy a new fork than new teeth.
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    Paradox v2 single speed being born ...

    I haven't tried it out yet. I don't get the fork until tomorrow. Super excited!






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    Hey, I did say I only keep a max of 20mm ontop my stem, in pinch max, max is 25mm, the photo was as said 1st ride out, no clue about how I'd like the bars. As to using a low rise bar with flipped stem, it gives me an extra 10-15mm of steerer I don't need to cut and I kind of like the stem not looking up at me, more horizontal and despite what some might say, seems to handle a bit different as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    LyNx, While I understand that you are looking for versatility, I disagree with you. I have my stem all the way down and about 20mm. of spacers on the top. Any more and I'd be a little nervous of it's potential for impaling various parts of my face or body. I'd rather buy a new fork than new teeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleGerl View Post
    Paradox v2 single speed being born ...

    I haven't tried it out yet. I don't get the fork until tomorrow. Super excited!





    That is going to be a really nice ride, indeed!

    Bravo on your project, lookin' good!
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    The new ride came to life Friday night. I put about 28 miles on it this weekend and am pretty stoked. The stinger seems to work just fine as a ss chain tensioner. Needs a few more adjustments and a few more red bits.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmetless View Post
    That is going to be a really nice ride, indeed!

    Bravo on your project, lookin' good!
    Thanks!

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    Nice bike TG.

    I'm leaning heavily toward SSing my Paradox once I get my Prime built. Rock solid, dropper post, slacked out, AM SS. Heck yeah!!
    Low and slack.

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    Got a few more red bits coming my way as well. A new seatpost QR.

    What other kinda red bits are you getting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowfreq13 View Post
    Got a few more red bits coming my way as well. A new seatpost QR.

    What other kinda red bits are you getting?
    Probably a seat post clamp (I ordered the wrong size), water bottle bolts, and a quick release for the rear wheel. A red cog would have been cool, but I'm gonna stick with the Surly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Nice bike TG.

    I'm leaning heavily toward SSing my Paradox once I get my Prime built. Rock solid, dropper post, slacked out, AM SS. Heck yeah!!
    Thanks!

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    Man there sure are some sweet builds out there....I've had mine out for some pretty sweet laps here in Colorado Springs, Buffalo Creek, and Breckenridge....Looking forward to Monarch Crest next, but so far I wouldn't change a single component - I love this bike, but my salsa FS is getting *****y because it's not getting any sunshine!

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    Man the Paradox is a beautiful looking bike. I have a question about the V2 vs V1. I thought the chainstay length was about 16.8 or 16.9 on the V1. Looking at the banshee site it lists the V2 chainstay length as 17.3. Did it increase in the new version? One of the positive things I've read about the paradox is how playful it is because of the short chainstays. But 17.3 isn't all that short is it?
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    Sorry, ignore the website, we've been having some technical issues. the chainstay length of the V2 is 16.8".
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Sorry, ignore the website, we've been having some technical issues. the chainstay length of the V2 is 16.8".
    Thanks! That does make sense. I mean you can see how short the chainstays are just looking at a picture of the new paradox.

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    My Paradox is going to arrive on Monday as a replacement for Rockhopper 29er. The latter is a fine machine but has no rough charm of the former.

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    just bought the 29 inch Continental tires, so I can test them in big size at last (and have more orange stuff too, tbh). 2.4 MK II front and X-King 2.2 rear. Above my expectations, especially descending. Riding up the front tire is sloow but fortunately the rear one helps very much, although its cutted knobs are not precisely an input for uphills, but for downhills. Descending is like floating, seriously.

    Have tried to put the 2.4 as rear tire just for checking purposes, and it did not fit (not because of being wide tire but because of being a tall tire. (Maybe the 19mm inner width of rim helped to it?)
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    I noticed that the Paradox V1 has cable guides on the down tube for a HammerSchmidt. Why doesn't the V2? What way would you route a cable for a HammerSchmidt on a V2? I'm installing one on my V2.

    Here is what I've figured so far...

    Adhesive Cable Guides on down tube.

    OR

    Run Cable along top tube, down seat tube and around to HammerSchmidt.

    Not really sure which way to go. Thanks.

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    Hi all,

    I spent half of last night reading all 14 pages.

    My Paradox frame was due to ship within Oz today from a private eBay seller.

    It's new and unused, still in the box but I don't expect any warranty as second owner.

    I have another thread going with some build questions.

    Build so far build is:

    Large Paradox V2 frame in raw

    Flow rims on a Hope front and X9 rear hub as purchased off eBay.

    Elixir X0 brakes

    Probably SLX cranks either 36 single ring or 36/22 dual rings

    X0 Gripshifter(s) and X7 RD

    Nobby Nic 2.35 on the front (same seller as the wheels)

    Rear tyre TBC

    Fork TBC

    Most of the forks I want only come in white or in black with a Fox price tag.

    Best options so far look like.

    Manitou Tower Pro Forks 29" - Tapered Steerer 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com

    RockShox Revelation RCT3 29" 140mm Dual Air Tapered Steerer - Fanatik Bike Co. - Bellingham Wa

    Fox Racing Shox 34 TALAS 29 140 RLC FIT 15QR Tapered Steerer Factory Series - Fanatik Bike Co. - Bellingham Wa

    I am pretty sure I saw the Fox and Manitou at least on bikes in the last 14 pages.

    Any feedback on fork choices would be appreciated.

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    Hej guys
    thinking about building up a Paradox, i was wondering if you could run a ZS lower headset cup with RS Forks?
    I have a 150mm coil Sektor, wich i love. So i thought about getting a Revelation casting to make it 29, but donīt want to mess with the already kind of slack seatangle because of my longer forks. I can imagine the forks dials hitting the frame, using a ZS Headset. straight steerer of course...

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    E=zangg;9608981]Hej guys
    thinking about building up a Paradox, i was wondering if you could run a ZS lower headset cup with RS Forks?
    I have a 150mm coil Sektor, wich i love. So i thought about getting a Revelation casting to make it 29, but donīt want to mess with the already kind of slack seatangle because of my longer forks. I can imagine the forks dials hitting the frame, using a ZS Headset. straight steerer of course...[/QUOTE]

    It is doable in the v2, no idea if valid for v1 thou
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    Quote Originally Posted by zangg View Post
    Hej guys
    thinking about building up a Paradox, i was wondering if you could run a ZS lower headset cup with RS Forks?
    I have a 150mm coil Sektor, wich i love. So i thought about getting a Revelation casting to make it 29, but donīt want to mess with the already kind of slack seatangle because of my longer forks. I can imagine the forks dials hitting the frame, using a ZS Headset. straight steerer of course...
    zangg, your post isn't completely clear. Your longer forks are going to affect the head angle and seat angle and an inset headset won't make much difference. If you mix and match 26" crowns with 29" legs there is no guarantee you will have appropriate offset, rake and trail measurements for your forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    zangg, your post isn't completely clear. Your longer forks are going to affect the head angle and seat angle and an inset headset won't make much difference. If you mix and match 26" crowns with 29" legs there is no guarantee you will have appropriate offset, rake and trail measurements for your forks.
    Additional cm of travel is reduced to 2mm more stack, by using a Cane Creek ZS cup.
    Sektors/Revelations uppers are similar to the 29er version, so the forks increased rake is coming with the casting. I am only worried about the crown hitting the frame, i guess i will ask Keith directly to be sure.

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    When all's done and said, in my experience looking at seperate fork lowers, the cost ends up around 60%+ of a new fork if you find a deal. My suggestion to you is to take a look at the Manitou Tower or Marz 44s that you can find on sale most places or take alook at X-Fusion and stick with the geo Banshee designed and use their 120mm fork (retails for about $400 with tapered steerer and 15mm axle) and get a great handling bike.
    Quote Originally Posted by zangg View Post
    Additional cm of travel is reduced to 2mm more stack, by using a Cane Creek ZS cup.
    Sektors/Revelations uppers are similar to the 29er version, so the forks increased rake is coming with the casting. I am only worried about the crown hitting the frame, i guess i will ask Keith directly to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    When all's done and said, in my experience looking at seperate fork lowers, the cost ends up around 60%+ of a new fork if you find a deal. My suggestion to you is to take a look at the Manitou Tower or Marz 44s that you can find on sale most places or take alook at X-Fusion and stick with the geo Banshee designed and use their 120mm fork (retails for about $400 with tapered steerer and 15mm axle) and get a great handling bike.
    I would reproduce 100% of my current bike's geometry (onone 456 Evo) with new calculated mechanical trail for 29". So I guess handling won't be an issue.
    And I seriously want to avoid this 15mm axle nonsense.
    I work at a bike shop so RS small parts are affordable for me..

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    Remember that 29ers dont need to be that slack as 26ers to get similar feedback on the trail. That said, i would not care for a 140mm travel rs fork with 32mm stanchions. More than that would be a bit excessive imo.
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    This is what i meant with new calculated mechanical trail. 66° is similar to RS 29er 67.5°
    My babelfish is probably on vacation, if you have problems understanding me
    Right now i have a 32mm stanchion, 150mm, 20mm through axle fork i believe to be stiff enough. A friends Dorado is far "worse".
    What are you worrying about? I think this bike will be genius with wide bars, short stem, 1x10 and fat tires. Thats what i ride today, but my 26er feels a little wrong/too small to me (1,88m), because i rode a friends 29er...

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    As Helmetless said, you can't and shouldn't want to reproduce a 26" geo onto a 29" bike, I think you'll be VERY dissapointed if you do. The trail on most 26" forks is not enough to counter HAs like you'd have with the setup you're talking about, seriously, do some homework on it and you find that out.
    When Fox did the 140mm F34, they also increased the offset from 48mm to 51mm, if they hadn't the Prime with 68.5* HA would have steered like a truck most likely, instead it steers very crisply, hardly a noticeable difference from the Paradox - which I've yet to figure out quite how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    As Helmetless said, you can't and shouldn't want to reproduce a 26" geo onto a 29" bike, I think you'll be VERY dissapointed if you do. The trail on most 26" forks is not enough to counter HAs like you'd have with the setup you're talking about, seriously, do some homework on it and you find that out.
    When Fox did the 140mm F34, they also increased the offset from 48mm to 51mm, if they hadn't the Prime with 68.5* HA would have steered like a truck most likely, instead it steers very crisply, hardly a noticeable difference from the Paradox - which I've yet to figure out quite how.
    I donīt know what your post is about sorry?
    I obviously understand how a front end behaves, donīt you think? Can you calculate each mechanical trail of your bikes? I took increased fork rake into account, doing my calculations and have to remind you that RS crowns stay the same (except for gary fisher G2 geometry forks, they have a different crown) and lower legs differ in rake... so i will be running NO 26" fork geometry. Actually 1.5° increased HA on a 29er with RS Forks, in relation to a 26er HA behaves the same. Without looking at rotating masses of your wheel, but i believe running DH Tires at 1,3kg each makes more of a difference than changing wheel diameter. When i combine this with a similar seatangle, the same chainstay length and bottom bracket height, i believe handling will be just as i want it to be.
    Your observations on the primeīs and paradoxīs steering behavior make no sense to me. FS and HT bikes have one big difference:
    a hardtailīs steering changes when you compress your fork, a springy bikeīs doesnīt. HA increases roughly by 7° when you run 150mm forks, so whatever fork you have, when its sagged your HTīs HA will always be steeper than your primeīs.
    This is actually why i love hardtails. Just lean back and take the rush, lean forward and trial the **** out of it. I run 150mm forks not only to have more travel but to have a more diverse handling bike, wich feels dynamic and "all mountain" to me. 150mm allow me to run harder springs without loosing too much travel. Itīs active enough to take the rough but still has some reserves for hard hits. Man i will even drill a hole in my seattube to get the frame ready for a reverb stealth!
    Iīll let you know what Keith is answering about my crown vs. downtube issue in case anybody is interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zangg View Post
    Hej guys
    thinking about building up a Paradox, i was wondering if you could run a ZS lower headset cup with RS Forks?
    I have a 150mm coil Sektor, wich i love. So i thought about getting a Revelation casting to make it 29, but donīt want to mess with the already kind of slack seatangle because of my longer forks. I can imagine the forks dials hitting the frame, using a ZS Headset. straight steerer of course...
    Hey,

    So first things first... the 2013 sektor 29 has a max travel of 140mm... which to me suggests that there is a strength or stiffness limit that rockshox are not wanting to go beyond... but it may just be becaue they don't see the demand for the extra 10mm of travel. Also you should be aware that the paradox is only covered by warranty for use with forks up to 140mm travel.... so again you will need to reduce the travel down to 140mm if you want to be covered by warranty.

    In terms of Sektor crown clearance, I just ran the numbers for you... the 26" Sektor does not have the clearance that 29" forks have (29er nearly always have more to account for steeper slope of the downtube required on 29ers). So clearance is not comfortably enough for medium paradox V2 in all adjuster positions... to point that you may have to file down adjuster nobs slightly. The clearance gets better for the larger frame sizes, but will still be close.... this is with me assuming worst case scenario. So it is workable, but you may have to slightly file the adjuster nobs down a bit.
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    Glad you've gone over this with so much detail and know that the bike setup like you want will handle exactly as you would like, wouldn't want you to be disappointed like so many others trying to match 26" wheeled performance by un-reasonable 29er bikes, like comparing an EPIC 29er to a MOJO or PIVOT 429 to a PIVOT 5.7 and expecting the handling to be the same I think you'll be in for a surprise like so many lab engineers and scientist who calculate everything out but have no real world experience, switching from big DH tyres to 29" ones will not and is not going to be the same, weight is less and no matter how big those DH tyres are, they're not 1.5" taller in radius.

    So only on a HT can you manipulate the suspension to steepen or slacken the steering then, really? I have to remember that when I'm on my FS weighting the rear to keep the HA slack or slacker, with PP off or when I run PP on and weight biased forward to help steepen the HA to help speed up steering, must remember that this is not possible, only on a HT

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    I donīt know what your post is about sorry?
    I obviously understand how a front end behaves, donīt you think? Can you calculate each mechanical trail of your bikes? I took increased fork rake into account, doing my calculations and have to remind you that RS crowns stay the same (except for gary fisher G2 geometry forks, they have a different crown) and lower legs differ in rake... so i will be running NO 26" fork geometry. Actually 1.5° increased HA on a 29er with RS Forks, in relation to a 26er HA behaves the same. Without looking at rotating masses of your wheel, but i believe running DH Tires at 1,3kg each makes more of a difference than changing wheel diameter. When i combine this with a similar seatangle, the same chainstay length and bottom bracket height, i believe handling will be just as i want it to be.
    Your observations on the primeīs and paradoxīs steering behavior make no sense to me. FS and HT bikes have one big difference:
    a hardtailīs steering changes when you compress your fork, a springy bikeīs doesnīt. HA increases roughly by 7° when you run 150mm forks, so whatever fork you have, when its sagged your HTīs HA will always be steeper than your primeīs.
    This is actually why i love hardtails. Just lean back and take the rush, lean forward and trial the **** out of it. I run 150mm forks not only to have more travel but to have a more diverse handling bike, wich feels dynamic and "all mountain" to me. 150mm allow me to run harder springs without loosing too much travel. Itīs active enough to take the rough but still has some reserves for hard hits. Man i will even drill a hole in my seattube to get the frame ready for a reverb stealth!
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    You are one sorry f$cker..
    idk about your opinion. I got my own skills and experience...
    I didn't tell you that fs bikes DON'T react to weight transfer, but hardtails naturally do this more!
    I know why I am usually not on forums!
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    OK, so bit out of sorts when I answered about what you were doing, so maybe didn't make 100% sense. Went back over what you plan and I think I get it now...you're going to use a 26" based Sektor upper and Rev lowers (to get the 46mm offset), what you'll end up with is a fork with about 120-125mm of useable travel due to the fact that the Rev lowers are about 25-30mm taller at the seals than the Sektor, so with a ZS headset you'd end up with almost the exact same angles, if not maybe a tad steeper than the original stock geo using a normal 120mm 29er fork off the shelf.....You want to save some money and make a custom 120mm travel fork for you to build the Paradox around instead of just buying a complete fork - Got it


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    You are one sorry f$cker..
    idk about your opinion. I got my own skills and experience...
    I didn't tell you that fs bikes DON'T react to weight transfer, but hardtails naturally do this more!
    I know why I am usually not on forums!
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    zangg, your post isn't completely clear. Your longer forks are going to affect the head angle and seat angle and an inset headset won't make much difference. If you mix and match 26" crowns with 29" legs there is no guarantee you will have appropriate offset, rake and trail measurements for your forks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zangg View Post
    You are one sorry f$cker..
    idk about your opinion. I got my own skills and experience...
    I didn't tell you that fs bikes DON'T react to weight transfer, but hardtails naturally do this more!
    I know why I am usually not on forums!
    Good day to you, good Sir!
    Hey zangg, don't take it personally, I think Lynx has a head angle obsession.

    I have learnt some new stuff from your questions so I am glad you asked them on this forum.

    I was in a similar situation with my Paradox build which is in another recent thread.

    I wanted to recycle as much as I could from my Chameleon 26'er. I asked my mechanic mate whether I could put Revelation 29'er lowers on my 140mm Revelation 26'er forks. He was not sure and raised the rake and offset issues with me. Not knowing I didn't risk it and bought a new fork. I will be selling the old fork.

    I also contemplated recycling the blue Industry Nine hubs built into 26" wheels but by the time I buy new I9 spokes, new rims and sell the old spokes/rims for scrap value I am better off buying a new wheelset (which I did).

    As Lynx just pointed out, I was thinking that you will lose some of your 150mm travel with the longer lowers. So maybe you don't need to reduce the lower headset stack height at all.

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    Now I want to build one!! I have a Viento and love it. This will add nicely to the stable. Nice machine bud!!!
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    That looks awesome. Black ano with orange is killer. Minus that blue hub.
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    Very nice Helmetless.

    Looking at the scenery and the design of the towers I thought you might be from Oz as well, but only in southern hemisphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    That looks awesome. Black ano with orange is killer. Minus that blue hub.
    Yep you're right! Blue matches orange but still not kinda matching that much... eh?

    Maybe orange Chris King hubs next year? (athough I've heard so many voices speaking of the real deal with Chris King spare parts and crappy warranty -there's no real warranty, actually).

    Or should I consider its wiser economic counterparts, the Hope Pro 2 Evo in titanium grey finish, not to make it too shiny, too.

    What you guys can say about it, I am all ears.


    Anyway, that would be next year, hopefully
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    Very nice Helmetless.

    Looking at the scenery and the design of the towers I thought you might be from Oz as well, but only in southern hemisphere.
    Ozy, it would be greatly appreciated you could post your Banshee close to the towers you have up there! so we can see more stuff other than my bike That would be fun!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmetless View Post
    Yep you're right! Blue matches orange but still not kinda matching that much... eh?

    Maybe orange Chris King hubs next year? (athough I've heard so many voices speaking of the real deal with Chris King spare parts and crappy warranty -there's no real warranty, actually).

    Or should I consider its wiser economic counterparts, the Hope Pro 2 Evo in titanium grey finish, not to make it too shiny, too.

    What you guys can say about it, I am all ears.


    Anyway, that would be next year, hopefully
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmetless View Post
    Ozy, it would be greatly appreciated you could post your Banshee close to the towers you have up there! so we can see more stuff other than my bike That would be fun!!!
    OK I will try and put a few more photos of mine up.

    So far the only photos I have are here

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    I have a changed a few things on my Banshee over the summer.

    Quick Changes:

    I went with a set of Ergon grips to alleviate some serious wrist fatigue issues. They help quite a bit. A little odd at first. I can't imagine going back now.

    I have seriously brought the bar down. Flipped the stem. Switched out the Easton bars for a slightly wider and more swept Niner Flattop 9. The cockpit needed some serious adjusting. These moves helped.

    I switched out the saddle for a Selle SMP TRK. I really tried to like the Selle Anatomica seat. It just never felt right. Plus, the nose was always getting caught on my shorts. It was really quite pointy. Not good when you are trying to get into a descent position. The SMP TRK has alleviated my saddle issues. oh yeah, I put my Thomson seatpost on too.

    Pedals... As much as I loved the Speedplay Frogs, they had to go. Within 300 miles of use the pedals started to develop a ridiculous amount of play. Speedplay suggested I grease the pedals (should only need to be done every few thousand miles according to the manual...) Then, one of the inner rotation stops snapped off. That really sucked. Great pedals. I loved the float and the feel, but they are seriously high maintenance. I bought a set of Time Roc ATAC S pedals. I am very pleased with the change. Sealed bearings, more than sufficient float, very positive engagement and disengagement.

    Lastly, I dropped the X9 Cranks. The stock 26/39 gearing was no good for the riding I do in and around the Baltimore/DC Area. Well, at least for me it wasn't. I picked up a Hammerschmidt, dropped in the 22t ring and will not be looking back. I have a new Rear Derailleur waiting to be installed (X9 Type 2 Short Cage).

    So, that should be it. The build and the tweaks are done. Awesome Frame. Thanks Banshee!!! Yeah, I need a better work area.
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    The seat ouchhhhhhhhhhh it hurts my eyes. Please remove and put a normal seat on

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    Ha!!! Funny. I think my junk is more important than your eyes.

    Seriously, the most comfortable seat I've ever ridden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowfreq13 View Post
    I have a changed a few things on my Banshee over the summer.
    ahhh finally: black frame, black fork; very nice. the seatpost and saddle are totally not my thing but getting them dialed to your personal preference and comfort is vital. what size is the frame and what travel do you have the fork set at?

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    Large frame. Fork is set to 120mm of travel. It's funny that people are down on the saddle and Thomson Seat post. There aren't too many good options for us wider butted Clydesdale. The dimensions on this saddle put my sitbones in just the right place. Oh well, sometimes you just have to resist fashion and focus on function and comfort.

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    Paradox 2012 destined mostly for European lowlands

    Fork: Niner carbon
    Bars: Race Face Turbine
    Bar ends: Cane Creek Ergo Control II
    Stem: Loaded X- lite
    Headset: Top Cane Creek ZS44, Bottom: Cane Creek EC49/30
    Spacers: Straitline Headset
    Crankset: Race Face Turbine 3x10
    Bottom bracket: Race Face bearings X-Type Turbine
    Derailleurs: Shimano Deore XT Dyna Sys (3x10)
    Shift levers: Shimano Deore XT 2012 SL-M780
    Casette: Shimano Deore XT CS 771
    Hubs: Superstar Tesla, 32h
    Brakes: Avid Elixir 9
    Rims: Loaded Precision, AMXC
    Tires: Specialized The Captain Control, 29x2.0
    Spokes: Sapim Race 1.8mm
    Seatpost: Cane Creek Thudbuster ST
    Saddle: Chromag Trailmaster DT
    Grips: Race Face Sniper
    Skewers: DTSwiss QR-Alloy-Thru bolt
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    So, time has come. I ordered my first love: A Banshee Paradox.

    I live in Germany and it was not easy to get the V2. I ordered the Paradox last December but the German ditributor delivered the V1. In the meantime I ordered the "German alternative" a 2soulscycles SlimJim but I think that the Paradox would fit better. In the next time I tried to test both frames and the best will stay and the other on have to go ;-).
    If your are interestet I would post pictures of the build up.

    (Sorry for my poor English skills)

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrisuta View Post
    Paradox 2012 destined mostly for European lowlands
    You have built a nice looking bike but I don't get the Niner carbon fork on this frame. The fork I assume is built primarily by Niner for their carbon frames which have a spec for 80 to 100mm. forks. The Paradox has a fairly low bottom bracket, even with a 120mm. fork and is prone to pedal strikes. You are also steepening the head angle.

    Where exactly are the "European Lowlands"? Are you not riding any technical trails at all?
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quick question regarding seat posts for the Paradox.

    Do you think adding a carbon Race Face Next seat post would provide any more comfort than a Turbine seatpost?. I'm used to riding full suspension xc bikes and would like any added comfort to the Paradox. If you don't think I will even notice it I will just stick with the Turbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    Quick question regarding seat posts for the Paradox.

    Do you think adding a carbon Race Face Next seat post would provide any more comfort than a Turbine seatpost?. I'm used to riding full suspension xc bikes and would like any added comfort to the Paradox. If you don't think I will even notice it I will just stick with the Turbine.
    Personally, I don't get the belief that a tube loaded predominantly lengthwise can be expected to provide any noticeable damping, irrespective of the material it is made from. Your tires and the seat itself will mask any flex. If you really feel you need it get a Thudbuster.

    I was riding a really nice 5.5" full suspension bike before I got my Paradox and never rode the full suspension bike again. I believe it made me a better rider by getting me off the saddle more.
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    Ronnie, I'm with you in thinking that the carbon seatpost won't do much, but there are magazine articles and other postings that claim people can notice a difference. I've never ridden a carbon seat post and am coming back to riding a hard tail after 14 years ( mostly Specialized XC Pro 120mm and Stumpy FSR). I think tires, wheels and seat will factor more into comfort than the seat post, but it's always good to get some general feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    If your are interestet I would post pictures of the build up.

    (Sorry for my poor English skills)
    We will be glad to see your build, man! A Banshee Paradox is always worth watching. Hopefully with a suspension fork
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helmetless View Post
    We will be glad to see your build, man! A Banshee Paradox is always worth watching. Hopefully with a suspension fork
    Oh, yes, it will be with a suspension fork. I take all components from the 2souls SlimJim. The for is a 140mm Reba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    You have built a nice looking bike but I don't get the Niner carbon fork on this frame. The fork I assume is built primarily by Niner for their carbon frames which have a spec for 80 to 100mm. forks. The Paradox has a fairly low bottom bracket, even with a 120mm. fork and is prone to pedal strikes. You are also steepening the head angle.

    Where exactly are the "European Lowlands"? Are you not riding any technical trails at all?
    The Niner carbon fork works well on this frame. In fact the bike rides better
    than my former Spec Rockhopper 29er with a susp. fork. And no pedal strikes
    noticed.
    Low bottom bracket could be a problem on some rocky trails but not around my place,
    which is Central Poland. I don't compete, so I don't mind the weight (though mine is
    not that heavy - 25.8 lbs). I went for this bike 'coz it's pretty, reliable and
    unique, aware that putting a rigid fork may stigmatize me as a grave sinner.
    However, I may change it one day...
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    Hey guys,

    I've got a new Paradox coming in. I have a new Manitou Tower Pro already, but it is not tapered, just a traditional straight type. Is there a specific headset I need to make them compatible? If it's not optimal I can always sell the fork and get the tapered I guess. It just occurred to me that this might be an issue. Thanks for any feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    Hey guys,

    I've got a new Paradox coming in. I have a new Manitou Tower Pro already, but it is not tapered, just a traditional straight type. Is there a specific headset I need to make them compatible? If it's not optimal I can always sell the fork and get the tapered I guess. It just occurred to me that this might be an issue. Thanks for any feedback.
    I would suggest that you fit a headset that will take a tapered fork. Most good headset manufacturers make an adapter crown race that converts a straight 1⅛" to fit into a 1―" bottom bracket cup and bearing. When I first got my Paradox V2 I still had my Minute 29 fork and ran it in the frame. I like and fitted a Cane Creek 110 headset and got one of these to put on the fork:



    It costs about $13. When I got my tapered Tower I simply used the standard 1―" crown race. I honestly noticed no difference between the forks.

    P.S. You may want to do it this way so that if you get a tapered fork in the future it will fit straight in.
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    Ronnie, thanks for the info. That's exactly the kind of info I needed. I appreciate it.

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    What Ronnie said is correct, but I'd strongly suggest if you can sell the straight steerer fork, then do so and buy a tapered steerer one. Tapered steerer I think adds a lot of stiffness to the front end and improves tracking tremendously. Price Point has the Tower Pro for $395. Ronnie does have actual experience though going from a non tapered fork to the same for tapered (may stand corrected there), so guess he has a better comparison. Also if you're wanting to hang onto this bike for a bit if you're like me it may bug you how it looks kind of weird having the straight steerer in the big tapered HT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    Hey guys,

    I've got a new Paradox coming in. I have a new Manitou Tower Pro already, but it is not tapered, just a traditional straight type. Is there a specific headset I need to make them compatible? If it's not optimal I can always sell the fork and get the tapered I guess. It just occurred to me that this might be an issue. Thanks for any feedback.
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    Uggh, I thought it might like a bit odd, but now maybe you've convinced me to just buy the tapered fork. Damn you messing with my wallet!
    Ronnie, did you think it looked weird on the bike?

    Let me know if anybody is looking to buy a brand new in box Tower Pro with 120mm thru axle and I'll sell it for a good price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    What Ronnie said is correct, but I'd strongly suggest if you can sell the straight steerer fork, then do so and buy a tapered steerer one. Tapered steerer I think adds a lot of stiffness to the front end and improves tracking tremendously. Price Point has the Tower Pro for $395. Ronnie does have actual experience though going from a non tapered fork to the same for tapered (may stand corrected there), so guess he has a better comparison. Also if you're wanting to hang onto this bike for a bit if you're like me it may bug you how it looks kind of weird having the straight steerer in the big tapered HT.
    "LyNx", I must say that while there may be measurable (in some kind of test lab. jig) difference between the two forks in the same headset, I could not feel it. I fitted the minute because I had to wait several months to get my black Tower Pro. I really wanted it to be better/different but there was none that I could notice. Keep in mind I'm 215lbs. without kit. I still ride the V1 with the Minute 29 as a backup and while some of the backup components are not as good, I don't feel much difference in the fork/frame.

    In the interests of full disclosure the Minute has a 20mm. hex axle and the Tower has a QR15 hex axle but I again doubt that there is a noticeable difference there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    Ronnie, did you think it looked weird on the bike?
    That is up to you. You can see from my picture above what it looks like. What looks worse to me is the white fork on the black frame. Looks like a junkyard hood on a car. The integrated look of the tapered fork does look better.

    If you are tight with cash right now, building up a new bike, I'd say ride it until you are more comfortable to buy a new fork. All it costs you is about $13 for the crown race and it rides great.
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    While I don't think it looks all that weird, I guess maybe I would be bugged by it. I also like the new QR system. Mine has the 120mm thru axle.

    Fortunately, at the moment my "bike slush fund" is abundantly filled with cash , so I will just go ahead and order a new fork and sell the old one.

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    Well then that's a no-brainer then As to the 20mm TA compared to the newer QR TA systems, I definitely agree, it's a royal PITA and I also much prefer the newer systems or the Maxle system. Really do like the 15mm TA QR on my F34.

    I did like Ronnie when I got my Prime and bought a reducder crown race to try my 120mm Minute on the Prime, but after riding the Prime for a bit I decided that I liked the BB in the steeper setting, could stand it in the slack setting so going from the 556mm A2C of the F34 140mm to the 520mm A2C of the 120mm Minute would not be a good idea. I still may in the future, just for giggles do it, but I would think it'd be good for smooth trails.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    While I don't think it looks all that weird, I guess maybe I would be bugged by it. I also like the new QR system. Mine has the 120mm thru axle.

    Fortunately, at the moment my "bike slush fund" is abundantly filled with cash , so I will just go ahead and order a new fork and sell the old one.
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    So the Paradox V2 frame came in today. Very impressed. Nicely built. Also included a Banshee seat post, which was a nice surprise as I was not expecting it. Wheels should be here shortly.

    What's the biggest size tire you guys have run on the back? I'll probably put Ardents on it. I'll have to order those soon too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nail Every Trail View Post
    What's the biggest size tire you guys have run on the back? I'll probably put Ardents on it. I'll have to order those soon too.
    The biggest tires I've had on the back of my Paradox are the Specialized Purgatory Control 2.3 and Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25. I think you should try a 2.35 Nobby Nic to see if it fits. I'd like to know.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Can someone post a pic of the tracks you're running in, plz? Here where I live, I honestly can't imagine myself riding with a 2.3 on the rear. Pics of mine soon
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    Helmet, it's not about what the trails/tracks look like Buddy, it's the fact that despite the Paradox being a very sweet machine, the ride is harsh as fvck, so having the highest volume tyre you can is something that is very much needed, or at least for me who rides more than just smooth gravel trails or road.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helmetless View Post
    Can someone post a pic of the tracks you're running in, plz? Here where I live, I honestly can't imagine myself riding with a 2.3 on the rear. Pics of mine soon
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    Expected to get the Paradox-frame this weekend. Unfortunately I am going first to ski for a week but in the new next year the bike is build up. I am so excited...

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    2012 Banshee Paradox Expert Black M sized

    Finally got my first 29er...!
    Paid around US$2000 in Velomix Bike Store, Indonesia.
    So far so good, it made my 2011 Giant Reign alone in the barn.
    Stock except CrankBros pedals, Velo chain protector, Polygon bottle cage and of course the CatEye bell...!

    Fork Fox 34 Float RLC 120mm 15qr
    Head Sets Banshee Munro Taper
    BB Parts Race Face
    Seat Post Banshee Two Bolt
    F. Tire Maxxis Ardent 29 x 2.25
    R.Tire Maxxis Ardent 29 x 2.25
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    Rim/R Sun Ringle Inferno 27 29er
    F Hub Novatech 9mm/15mm/20mm x 110mm
    R Hub Novatech 10mm x 135mm
    spokes Sha Dar 14G
    Chainwheel Race Face Evolve 24/36/Bash 10spd
    Chain Yaban S1010CR
    Freewheel SRAM PG-1050 11 - 36T 10spd
    Derailleur/F SRAM X7
    Derailleur/R SRAM X9 10spd
    Shift Lever/L SRAM X7 3spd
    Shift Lever/R SRAM X7 10spd
    Shift Clamp/L SRAM X7/X9
    Shift Clamp/R SRAM X7/X9
    Saddle SDG Galaxy Steel
    Handlebar Answer ProTaper 720 AM
    Stem Race Face Evolve 70mm
    Grips Funn Combat
    Brake/F Avid Elixir 7 w/180mm G2CS rotor
    Brake/R Avid Elixir 7 w/160mm G2CS rotor
    Brake Clamp/F Avid Elixir 7 Hinge Clamp
    Brake Clamp/R Avid Elixir 7 Hinge Clamp
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    Gembong:

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    Looks nice Gembong, is that the stock Banshee build kit? Unless you're only using it for DJ, I'd seriously consider leveling that saddle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
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    Thanx Kreisel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Looks nice Gembong, is that the stock Banshee build kit? Unless you're only using it for DJ, I'd seriously consider leveling that saddle.
    Yep it is stock. You're absolutely right about the saddle.

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    Congratulate the set up. Would you consider shortening the derailleur cables or you like it as they are?

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    Now, time has come, I got my Paradox!
    So, I have to build it up in the next days. Iīm so excited...

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrisuta View Post
    Congratulate the set up. Would you consider shortening the derailleur cables or you like it as they are?
    Which derailleur, front or rear? Shimano Shadow's rear der is tidier than SRAM's, IMO.
    Btw Adrisuta, although you live in Poland, your name is sound familiar to Indonesian, sounds like Sanskrit names...no offence intended.

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    Think he's referring to BOTH your rear lines, brake and shifter, they both look exceedingly long.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gembong View Post
    Which derailleur, front or rear? Shimano Shadow's rear der is tidier than SRAM's, IMO.
    Btw Adrisuta, although you live in Poland, your name is sound familiar to Indonesian, sounds like Sanskrit names...no offence intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Think he's referring to BOTH your rear lines, brake and shifter, they both look exceedingly long.
    That's right.

    Gembong, indeed Adrisuta is a sanskrit name. Adri means 'mountain' and 'suta' - son. It's not my legal name, though. I simply adore Indian culture even more than bike riding

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    Is Anybody using an chainguide? Any recommendations?

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    Just ordered one from Jenson's. Ano. Was going to get the raw but that had a 1-2 week delay; plus I knew I'd try and paint it if I got the raw (via Preval). I should not be painting a bike because A) I'm not a good painter, and B) I should be riding it I *was* on the list for a Surface but they went to modular dropouts for the batch due in March. Damn modular dropouts on the Trans Am too. I am getting a Trailmaster LTD and Ranger though.

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    Here it is:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    Is Anybody using an chainguide? Any recommendations?
    Yes I am using an E13 guide and bashguard on the ISCG tabs. Not sure what model. I am only running one 36 tooth chainring for a 1x9 setup.


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