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    Saw 2 orange ones in Whistler. The bike looks pretty freaking cool. Hope it has 8 inches with a 63.5 - 64.5 HTa options. Thinking 142x12, 150x12 & 157x12 dropout options. Maybe 26 & 27.5 options.

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    Looks baller. Local DH/FR trails are on the horizon and this looks like a great fit.

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    I have never wanted a DH frame so badly in my life

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    Now that I've had a chance to look through all the photos on Vital on a real screen... Oh man. Sick.

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    That rear end looks sooo short! I need this.

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    Bike looks great. Fitting name for it, Darkside trails are rad, been way too long since I rode over them.

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    Love it.. Great simple lines, ballanced proportions.

    Looks like 22.2 shock, 180mm travel?

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    hell yeah! Would be awesome with a reach of at least 435 mm for us tall guys if that could be in the numbers for this one

    Please

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    Oh that does look quite fun! full length seat tube! Wonder what the weight will be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Oh that does look quite fun! full length seat tube! Wonder what the weight will be like.
    Yeah, the weight will be interesting. This looks like a bike I'd be very interested in. I don't race DH any longer, and I'm having a hard time justifying owning a full-on DH bike based on the rides I do these days. The Darkside could easily convince me to sell my v10c!

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    A few more shots of it in Orange here: Banshee Tests 650B Downhill & Other Mountain Bikes, Developing 100mm ?Trail? 29er

    Looking great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phat-ant View Post
    A few more shots of it in Orange here: Banshee Tests 650B Downhill & Other Mountain Bikes, Developing 100mm ?Trail? 29er

    Looking great.
    Nice! Can't wait to see the geometry numbers.

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    To give you an insight into weight, the black one fully built (inlcuding pedals... non of this excluding pedal weight crap) weighs 37.5lbs with DH inner tubes as seen.
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    Nice. Maybe a couple pounds more than my Prime.

    I read the BR piece about pedal-ability vs DH intent. I don't care if it doesn't climb as well as a Prime or Rune, but it would be nice to get up 200-300 feet of 8-10% grade without having to push. That'll probably be unavoidable for the bulk of the riding it would see under me. I could probably handle that with a SRAM pie plate and a 32t ring, maybe even a 34t.

    Really hot bike, Keith. The black one is my desktop at the moment.

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    now...in orange! (photos courtesy of bikerumor.com)

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    Keith: You're a tall guy; don't forget to make an XL for us Xtra Lovely Bansheeriders?!

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    Wow, the orange one looks very nice!

    I'm currently riding a large Prime and a large Legend. The Legend is a little short for me (189/94cm) and I have to ride a 60mm stem to feel comfortable and get the same handlebar reach as on the Prime with 30mm stem. So it would be desirable for me if the Darkside will be longer than the Legend. To be able to ride it uphill I would need a 470mm seat tube. I can think of replacing my Legend with the Darkside with 650b wheels.

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    Checked this out yesterday in person. Droolworthy.

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    More information:
    First look: Banshee Darkside.
    First generation proto… all aspects of the design are however liable to change before production.

    It’s a mini DH / Park / Play bike.

    -180mm travel (currently) using a KS linkage
    -Short chainstays (16.5”) and whip friendly geometry
    -Interchangeable dropouts (so 650B compatible if desired), and 3 geometry positions adjusted independently of linkage kinematics.
    -Pedal neutral feel with minimal chain stretch (minimal pedal kickback) and progressive linkage
    -Option of running shorter shock for less travel and lower slacker geometry

    Will be a 2015 frame (maybe 2014.5) priced aggressively to offer great value for money for a frame with all the technology and features.
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    16.5" chainstays seem pretty short. As a tall rider I have not so good experiences with super short chainstays going dowhill (feels like riding over the rear wheel). Would like to have longer chainstays around 17.4", at least with 650b dropouts.

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    No replacement for the good old Wildcard, or Wildcard no more ?

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    Yet more info:

    Banshee Darkside Prototype - First Ride - Pinkbike

    If the move away from the interchangeable dropouts, I hope they go with a 150mm rear wheel spacing!

    Damn, I'd buy this bike today if it were available!

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    I have to admit, that this bike is too much for my tastes, but I'd like to point out that interchangeable dropouts were one of the reasons why I bought the Rune.

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    Actually I was hoping that they would keep the interchangeable dropouts. That way I could just transfer over my current wheel set (Hadley, Mavic rims) and not need to buy a new 150 mm rear wheel. I suppose it would be nice to be able to use my new Atlas Crank too, but with an 83mm BB that is wishful thinking. Looks like the Canfield the One is still in the running for my next bike.

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    Yeah, I suppose those of us moving parts over from a DH bike want 83mm/150mm and guys taking parts from a trail bike would prefer 73mm & 142 or 135mm.

    I do like the idea of going with non-interchangable dropouts though. While I have not had any problems with the dropouts on my Prime, I'm also a fan of simplicity. Lower cost is nice too!

    Quote Originally Posted by potterymouth View Post
    Actually I was hoping that they would keep the interchangeable dropouts. That way I could just transfer over my current wheel set (Hadley, Mavic rims) and not need to buy a new 150 mm rear wheel. I suppose it would be nice to be able to use my new Atlas Crank too, but with an 83mm BB that is wishful thinking. Looks like the Canfield the One is still in the running for my next bike.

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    Yup, so true. I suppose if it comes in more "affordable" than others it might not be so painful. I do like the fact that it is somewhat peddle able and I really like the longer seat tube. Time will tell.....

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    I nailed it woth my HTa guess. Makes sense thougj based on the other bikes in the Range. Keith, can you post up the rest of the geo #'s here when you decide to release them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Willanholly View Post
    Yeah, I suppose those of us moving parts over from a DH bike want 83mm/150mm and guys taking parts from a trail bike would prefer 73mm & 142 or 135mm.

    I do like the idea of going with non-interchangable dropouts though. While I have not had any problems with the dropouts on my Prime, I'm also a fan of simplicity. Lower cost is nice too!
    Keeping the interchangable drop-outs would make this a non-issue. Although I wonder how the chainline would be with 83mm BB and a 142 rear...

    Also with fixed drop-outs you lose the adjustments right? I did like the geometry adjustments available on the Scythe, but they were hard to keep track of. Maybe fixed is better.
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    Maybe this Decision will be based on the majority of Rider-Demand, but I would keep the interchangable Drop-Outs. Not only for the Geometry-Adjustments (Possibility to run a shorter Shock, like a longtravel Wildcard!), but for the sake of having Choices in Spacing and Wheelsize ...
    Adjustability was and still is a Keyfeature-Trademark of Banshee. Bring down the Cost for sure is a good thing, depending on Riders are willing to go without this Feature.

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    I'd like replaceable dropouts as well. Would love to run it in the 63.5 mode for parks and 64.5 for pretty much everything around here (Oregon).

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    Read on Pinkbike about the color choices and bright TBD yet, I say bring the Wildcard color back.

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    This could fit in nicely with what I currently have.

    Probably don't need a DH rig, but something bigger and able to pedal, and still do multiple Garbo days without killing/shitting myself would be the bees knees. I was liking the TR250, but this is trumping it now

    Stealth Black Darkside few!

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    I want one, don't know what I'll do with it, but I want one.

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    I want this... when will final geo and pricing be set? And most importantly when can I place an order for one????

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    Quote Originally Posted by han_slomo View Post
    I want this... when will final geo and pricing be set? And most importantly when can I place an order for one????
    What he said.

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    Production details aren't going to be set for a little while yet. But to give you some idea, our plans are to have these avaliable in shops by late spring next year. All I can really say so far is that the protos are so much fun, and I don't feel too much needs changed, just a couple of small tweas here and there before commiting to opening forgings to improve strength and stiffness to weight.
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    So rad!
    ENJOI THE RIDE

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    Keith, any news? Can you give some info about frame sizes?

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    Can't say anything yet I'm afraid... info will become avaliable early in the new year for both models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walt06 View Post
    16.5" chainstays seem pretty short. As a tall rider I have not so good experiences with super short chainstays going dowhill (feels like riding over the rear wheel). Would like to have longer chainstays around 17.4", at least with 650b dropouts.
    Hey man, there are a ton of other long travel bikes available to you, that would meet those requirements, but a long travel bike with mad short stays are almost impossible to find, not counting the few I know of(Spec Demo and Scott Gambler).

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    Quote Originally Posted by juanbeegas View Post
    Hey man, there are a ton of other long travel bikes available to you, that would meet those requirements, but a long travel bike with mad short stays are almost impossible to find, not counting the few I know of(Spec Demo and Scott Gambler).
    Yeah longer 27.5 are almost the norm now with all the "enduro"... but a 7" travel NOT designed for racing AND nearly extinct 26 wheels??? This baby is gonna be badass!

    More proto testing photos? We need something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhpnc View Post
    More proto testing photos? We need something!
    Yeah! How about a new pic or some detail for xmas or something!?

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    Please check our facebook page (better late than never!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Please check our facebook page (better late than never!)
    Looks good, Keith! I'm pleased to see the adjustable dropouts made the cut.

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    Late by 3 hours lol but so HOT! Thanks!

    So is this closer to production version? Color is bangin will there be anything else other than black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Please check our facebook page (better late than never!)
    sweet.

    thanks Keith!

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    The design isn't 100% finalised yet... just to give you an idea of the direction we are going... more details will follow in time.
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    Hey builttoride..

    What do you prefer on that frame ? The dual crown fork or a single crown ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The design isn't 100% finalised yet... just to give you an idea of the direction we are going... more details will follow in time.
    Smells like the first 650b freeride bike may become a reality...

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    Any more news on this bike? Especially if an XL is coming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Any more news on this bike? Especially if an XL is coming?
    +1 - At 6'3" and 210 lbs with monkey arms it's tough to find a DH bike that has a long enough front center and short rear end.

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    I am very excited about this bike. I want a really short rear end but I don't want to ride a Specialized.

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    Has there been any new updates? Are they keeping the dropouts? The 16.5" stays? That ridiculously awesome black on black colour scheme?

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    There will be updates soon, along with some videos of the bike in action over the coming months while we are manufacturing the first batch. Those 3 things you have listed will remain! (and thats all I am going to say for now)
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    There will be updates soon, along with some videos of the bike in action over the coming months while we are manufacturing the first batch. Those 3 things you have listed will remain! (and thats all I am going to say for now)
    How about a fourth? Will they have a XL frame size or a large with a TT length 630mm+?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemk View Post
    How about a fourth? Will they have a XL frame size or a large with a TT length 630mm+?
    Yes this please, I'm postponing my next bike purchase until I have this information. So the sooner the better
    Btw, 6'5" here, also with monkey arms

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    ETT will be around 630mm for the large (no XL) but what you should really be asking is what the reach is, as you'll be standing up and having fun nearly all the time on this bike.
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    Ok so what is the reach and stack?
    Another question, will it be available in Europe?

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    Large has 440mm reach and 602mm stack.
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    Ok thanks! That's not too bad for an L frame I guess. As alternative for this bike I was looking at the TR500, which in XL has a reach of 445/446 and a stack of 591/593. So it seems I'll be waiting on the Darkside

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    Hi,

    I really would appreciate some more "leaks".
    What is the seattube length and angle, reach and stack on medium? (@565 fork, neutral geo setting)
    I guess with the exchangeable dropouts it will be possible to re-use my X12 wheelsets. (142x12). Thats fine.

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Large has 440mm reach and 602mm stack.
    I still can't grasp this new concept of reach versus ETT, I admit I'm a bit slow... I'm 6'2" and ride an XL Spitfire V2. Ignoring reach I simply go by ETT and this bike fits me perfectly, I use a 65mm stem. I had a V1 and I think you mentioned the V2 would feel a bit longer based on reach I think but I felt no difference.
    Now this Large Darkside you state that the ETT is 630 which is close to the 640 of the XL Spitfire. Sounded good.
    But you say the reach is 440 which is quite a bit shorter than the 477 of the XL Spitfire. Makes it sound short.
    Like I said, I'm a bit slow on this reach thing although I do understand that the riding position difference between DH and "xc" is key.

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    What's more, the Darkside will call for a short stem, like a direct mount on a dual crown or something like a 30/40/50mm on a single crown freeride fork. May have to dive into the abyss and google "mtb geo"



    Keith, I've got a simple question: will it have the 83mm threaded BB? Thanks!



    From what you other Banshee owners are saying the dropouts will allow 142 or 150mm axles? I'm used to seeing convertibility between 135/142 but DH is usually on its own. And what about the new 157 that's popping up?

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    Yes the darkside does have an 83mm threaded BB. the same dropout options will be avaliable as on the rune... including 650b.
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    Sweeet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    I still can't grasp this new concept of reach versus ETT
    It's a little different way of looking at it, for sure.

    Remember, reach is the distance between the BB and the head tube. That determines how big the cockpit feels when you're out of the saddle.

    Imagine two frames with the same reach measurement. Say one has a slacker seat tube angle than the other. The frame with the slacker STA will have the longer ETT. It'll feel longer when you're seated, but not when you're standing.

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    Can something be said about pricing? Not everyone here has infinite resources and you know how this goes?

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    Will be a very exciting frame. My DH wheels are covered in dents so a 27" option might be on the short list for it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    It's a little different way of looking at it, for sure.

    Remember, reach is the distance between the BB and the head tube. That determines how big the cockpit feels when you're out of the saddle.

    Imagine two frames with the same reach measurement. Say one has a slacker seat tube angle than the other. The frame with the slacker STA will have the longer ETT. It'll feel longer when you're seated, but not when you're standing.
    If youre setting the bike up correctly thats not really true, because you should slide the saddle forward with the slacker seat tube angle to maintain correct pedaling geometry. so saddle relative to head tube should remain similar. but the main point is true, reach/stack is the only meaningful way to size bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Yes the darkside does have an 83mm threaded BB. the same dropout options will be avaliable as on the rune... including 650b.
    sweet! I remembered reading somewhere it would be only 26" to keep the cost down. Glad to to see it confirmed it won't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Yes the darkside does have an 83mm threaded BB. the same dropout options will be avaliable as on the rune... including 650b.
    Soooo. Will there be 150mm 650b dropouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwyooaj View Post
    If youre setting the bike up correctly thats not really true, because you should slide the saddle forward with the slacker seat tube angle to maintain correct pedaling geometry. so saddle relative to head tube should remain similar. but the main point is true, reach/stack is the only meaningful way to size bikes.
    I don't think I believe in 'correct pedaling geometry' for something as dynamic as mountain biking. Not at that scale, anyway. Getting a good fit on a MTB is a matter of making the right compromises for the bike's intent, your use, and your particular fit requirements. Consider the difference in position (saddle relative to BB) of different road applications. Compare a road bike to a time trial bike, for example. And these are fits that are really dialed for efficiency and comfort for long periods in the saddle.

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    What are everyone's suspension plans? I was originally thinking all coil hardcore freeride with a 180 Vanilla and RC4 or CCDB coil. I always hear "coil this coil that for DH... this air shock is so linear like a coil etc".

    Of course then Fox goes air only for the Factory 40 and the pros on prototype air rears.

    Sooo... then I was thinking Float 180 and CCDB air CS. Nice and light, adjustable and a switch for pedaling.

    Third option: New 40 air with the CCDB air CS, kinda like Keith's

    What you got???

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    XFusion RV1 (or Metric) and a CCDBA-CS would make for a killer ride.
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    lyrik coil mico-dh @180 and ccdba-cs or vivid air, is my plan if i take the darkside.

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    M 66 rc3 evo ti and air sprung in the back, not sure which one yet: most probably vivid but we'll see.
    Cmon Scott, tell us something more! :P

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    Ccdba in the back, not sureabout the front. Struggling to determine whether to make it a pedal friendlyish freeride bike or a full on park bike. If the former, a fox van 180; if the latter, a bos idylle, perhaps. Would like to go dual crown. Preordered a large black ano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    XFusion RV1 (or Metric) and a CCDBA-CS would make for a killer ride.
    What he said, but i'm leaning towards to the RV1.

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    Can we get a steep seat-tube for climbing? I really want to buy something that I can bring with me on long road trips that may include both Mammoth and Moab. I'm sick of having to choose between my AM bike and my DH bike. I wouldn't mind swapping shocks and forks as the ride profile dictates.

    Most of the bikes that fit this mold are now out of production: Uzzi, TheOne, Blindside etc.

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    Official Darkside Thread-bike-geo-image.jpg
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    Can we get a steep seat-tube for climbing?
    If the bike has a reach of 440mm, a stack of 602mm and an ETT of 630 the effective seat-tube angle has to be 72.5 degrees, it is basic right triangle geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemk View Post
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    If the bike has a reach of 440mm, a stack of 602mm and an ETT of 630 the effective seat-tube angle has to be 72.5 degrees, it is basic right triangle geometry.
    This is spot on for the slack setting. 73.5 in steep.
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    Thanks davemk/keith.

    Keith - Will the short shocked geometry be in the climb-able range with a ~160mm fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    This is spot on for the slack setting. 73.5 in steep.
    At this point should you just publish an expected geo chart? The only significant thing that hasn't been leaked in this thread is HA which I bet is around 65 degrees.

    ETT = 630mm
    Reach = 440mm
    Stack = 602mm
    Chainstay = 419mm
    SA = 72.5 degrees

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    HA has been mentioned a few times to be 64 deg in neutral dropout position, +/- 0.5degrees in either direction.

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    Well geo was mostly leaked on L sized frame, for smaller ones like me something about the M would come in handy as well. And rough pricetag maybe Or just tell us the info release day so we can wait in peace!

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    Quote Originally Posted by winkothemadman View Post
    just tell us the info release day so we can wait in peace!
    +1 Agree

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    I'll publish info early next month when the website pages go live. Distributors have asked me to keep things top sectret... haha, so erm, you guys already know more than they want you to know. I personally prefer to share things.
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    Have to decide in ~1 week if i take another bike, which is limited and i got an pre-order slot, or if i wait for the darkside...

    I don't understand the benefit of not publishing specs of a bike which is already in production especially when there is already a 8 months old first-ride report on pinkbike.

    But anyway, thanks for all the informations so far.

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    Thanks! Can't wait to spend my money

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    Quote Originally Posted by erlkönig View Post
    Have to decide in ~1 week if i take another bike, which is limited and i got an pre-order slot, or if i wait for the darkside...

    I don't understand the benefit of not publishing specs of a bike which is already in production especially when there is already a 8 months old first-ride report on pinkbike.

    But anyway, thanks for all the informations so far.
    What info do you need that you haven't already got?
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    medium frame
    reach - stack, ETT, HTL, STL

    guessing it with the leaked data from large frame would still be a RANDOM.ORG - Coin Flipper decision

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    410 - 602, 597, 125, 395

    what a weird bunch of numbers, I wonder what they could mean??
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    i guess we will never know, maybe some lottery?

    but nevertheless, interesting..

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    Heard pre orders are being accepted and more details should be out this week...

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    Official Darkside Thread

    Does anyone follow Banshee's factory team Facebook? Worth a look this AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Hmmm, I'll take one please
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    (I should mention that the colours will be slightly different for production frames... same concept but better!)
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