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    Banshee Spitfire Pics

    I've been looking online for a while and have found loads of pics of some Ripper Runes... Can't seem locate many of the Awesome Spitfire though. Come on, lets see em.. Get your Spitfires out...

    This is mine... Still not managed to get a proper ride on her due to a calf injury... Sunday is looking promising though!!
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    dats purdy... what cranks are those?
    What mountain bike forum do pirates use? .....



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    Race Face - Atlas FR

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    You take the dog with you?

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    was wondering if you can choose the suspention linkage colour options when ordering the frame? ...and the same for the decals? The grey ano u hav is real sweet.
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    Mate I don't think you can, otherwise I would have gone for the Orange... : ) You do get a blue one if you go the Gucci Build.

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    So where are all the other Spitfires...?? Come on people, I wanna see some Photo's of your Banshee Spitfires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge68
    So where are all the other Spitfires...?? Come on people, I wanna see some Photo's of your Banshee Spitfires.
    mine's getting ordered today. with any luck it'll be here later this week.

    I can put all the parts I have for it on my bed and take a picture though?

    nah, that would spoil the surprise

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    Another Spitfire

    I think this picture should belongs to here too, the ever famous WWII fighter plane - Spitfire

    My all time war plane (WWII), and i think the banshee spitfire name is well selected.
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    Drop'N'Zone Spitfire

    Here is an awesome Spitfire from Drop'N'Zone


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    Quote Originally Posted by morebravo
    Here is an awesome Spitfire from Drop'N'Zone
    Looks like I'm headed in the wrong direction with my build (assuming I ever get the frame) with all the Skittles colors going on here. Mine will end up looking like a primer gray Camero sitting in some butt rockers yard waiting for a new tranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Looks like I'm headed in the wrong direction with my build (assuming I ever get the frame) with all the Skittles colors going on here. Mine will end up looking like a primer gray Camero sitting in some butt rockers yard waiting for a new tranny.
    a couple cans of rattle spray can take care of that...
    I'm not very fond of the drop'nzone spitfire; it kind of makes me want to barf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    a couple cans of rattle spray can take care of that...
    I'm not very fond of the drop'nzone spitfire; it kind of makes me want to barf.
    Admittedly I don't like the Green but the rest is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    a couple cans of rattle spray can take care of that...
    I'm not very fond of the drop'nzone spitfire; it kind of makes me want to barf.
    I'll put my name into the barf hat as well. The OP's Spitfire is very nice though.

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    Agreed; the O.P.'s spitty looks great.
    Mine is going to be so black and white boring compared to all of the spitty pics I've seen.
    I'm pretty stoked that it won't be so boring to ride though.
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    a simple build..

    * Lyrik Coil
    * EX823\Hope pro II\Maxxis advantage front + minion rear
    * Banshee headset
    * Gravity 777 bar
    * SRAM gears
    * Avid Brakes
    * temporary post and stem...

    total weight is about 15K (33lb) but it feels much lighter when hammering the pedals.
    action pics will follow... i guess a chain-guide will be added soon..
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    Nice!
    I like your riding shoes too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewOriginal
    * Lyrik Coil
    * EX823\Hope pro II\Maxxis advantage front + minion rear
    * Banshee headset
    * Gravity 777 bar
    * SRAM gears
    * Avid Brakes
    * temporary post and stem
    Did you get the Lyrik for the Spitfire? I have a Lyrik now, but I'm planning to ditch it and get a Revelation Team before my Spitfire arrive. You got me wondering if I should keep it and wait allthough I feel 127mm rear and 160mm front is a weird combination.. The Lyrik coil u-turn is HEAVY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Looks like I'm headed in the wrong direction with my build (assuming I ever get the frame) with all the Skittles colors going on here. Mine will end up looking like a primer gray Camero sitting in some butt rockers yard waiting for a new tranny.
    same here. I think the only colorful things on mine are going to be the gold bolt on my 20th anniversary XO mech, and the gold bits on my joplin. everything else is black, grey, or silver.

    and a little OT, did you end up getting your frame in a timely manner? or are you waiting 3 weeks like the rest of us schlubs?

    Interpidity, hold onto the lyrik and try it out. worst that happens is you decide you want a revelation. best, you keep the lyrik and save some money

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    I had the Lyrik before, and although i also thought about replacing it, I decided to try it first.

    The revelation is great and no-doubt better\lighter riders will benefit its light-weight and travel.. but for me, the stiffer Lyrik is more confidence inspiring (and IMHO looks better in compliance with the frame's tubes).

    anyway, i think you should try before you buy
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Looks like I'm headed in the wrong direction with my build (assuming I ever get the frame) with all the Skittles colors going on here. Mine will end up looking like a primer gray Camero sitting in some butt rockers yard waiting for a new tranny.
    Is it the Camaro or the butt rocker that's waiting for the tranny?

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    Here's mine!




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    im no weight weener, but any one had one of these on a scale yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punkeyboozter
    im no weight weener, but any one had one of these on a scale yet?
    here you go, 29.5 lbs. This bike rips


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    Quote Originally Posted by climbingbubba
    here you go, 29.5 lbs. This bike rips
    Very respectable for a bike with flats and adjustable seatpost.

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    Mine ways in at around 30lbs but i'm still waiting for the Straitline Flats to arrive...
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    Spitfire 'More Mountain Edition'

    Here's my XL Spitfire Humdinger Crusher More Mountain Edition after a marathon build and right before I got my mail this morning.



    I was going to post this up in the All Mountain Thread until I rode it up in Park City today and realized that it was a bit more than the 'All Mountain' crap people post up in that thread. It's actually a 'More Mountain' style of bike. Yep, you heard it here first. Eat your heart out Mr. 'black diamond bike' MBAction. If you need me to explain this to you then I suggest you just make your way over to the Ibex Thread and put on a smile.

    Spec's: Haven's, Float RLC 150 QR15, RP23, XO shifters/derailleur, X9 front derailleur, XT crankset with 22/36 gearing, e.13 Turbocharger bash, XTR 11-32 cassette, Race Face Atlas low-rise bars, 180 Elixir CR's, Sunline 60mm stem, Gravity Retarder Turbo, Silverado Ti saddle, BS Stinger, gray Shimano shifter housing....

    30lbs on the nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Low, slack and fast...just the way I like my women.
    Midgets who don't cook or clean and run away with your money before you can blink??? At least you have great taste in bikes

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    SLC, nice to see the bike built up. those XL frames are pretty dang huge... I still can't wait for mine to show up

    nice build too

    btw, is that a high-volume can on your RP23? and is it the stock one? my interest is piqued...

    oh, and did you happen to get a weight on the frameset? I kinda wanna know what the XL's weigh, so I have something to do while I wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sov
    Midgets who don't cook or clean and run away with your money before you can blink??? At least you have great taste in bikes
    That's some funny $hit! lmfao!

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    totally agree it's "More" than an All mounting bike...
    feels to me to be almost to a super light weight "dh bike"

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Here's my XL Spitfire ....
    Low, slack and fast...just the way I like my women.
    You forgot the most important part on your final analogy there... XL...
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    Hey SLC, can you give us some more info on the bike and yourself - height etc? Interested in measurements of you, BB to top of saddle and ground to HB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Hey SLC, can you give us some more info on the bike and yourself - height etc? Interested in measurements of you, BB to top of saddle and ground to HB.
    Well, I like long walks on the beach and doing Mad Libs with my blind neighbor Bernie on Sundays while sipping Sanka. And as Bortis mentioned, I like my women in sizeway XL as there's just more to love.

    Here's the dealio with the XL Spitfire and myself. I'm 6-4, so the XL was the only option, this was made apparant after the first ride. So let me compare this a bit to the XL Tracer VP I ran last year (but with a Float 36 instead of a 150mm Float 32).
    The XL Spitfire (slack setting) with the exact 60mm Sunline stem I ran on the Tracer felt about a 1/4" shorter in the cockpit than the Tracer did. Which is odd, because on paper the Spitfire should be .2 inches longer. Perhaps it had something to do with the ride height in the front due to the shorter axle to crown fork I'm running. Who knows. Having said that, it was still a better cockpit length fit than 99% of the bikes out there for me as most only run a 24.5" which, in turn means running a longer stem .

    Where the fit got a little wierd was the saddle to bar drop. For my set up we're talking 2 inches-which in my book is more of an aggressive XC race set up than an 'all mountain' or in my case, 'more mountain' . Figure I'm running a traditional cup lower headset (Cane Creek XXcII), 2-10mm headset spacers and 1/2" rise Race Face 31" FR Atlas bars. So far this hasn't been a problem other than just aesthetically and thinking it just looks off. In all actuality, it's made climbing much more easier/faster. But only the mild trails have dried out so far and I haven't taken it on anything steep yet - so that will be the real test.
    My guess about the aggressive drop is that it looks like Banshee's running the exact same headtube height on all 4 sizes. So if you like the front end low, which I normally do, you can get it super low on this bike if desired.

    I've only gotten 2 rides on it and now it's raining again so I'm not going to go into a full review until I get some more miles on it. But there's the nuances as far as fit goes with someone as tall as me.

    I will say this though: suspension set up took less time/effort than on any VPP or DW Link bike I've owned. My impression on the two rides so far is that it climbs just as well as either design, isn't quite as plush as the DW Link Mojo, but infinitely more plush than what Intense is doing with the VPP2. Couple that with the low BB and slack HA and I think this bike is going to be a ripper. So far it's been a breeze to whip that thing around corners.

    Kudo's to Banshee for including a seatpost, collar, spare hanger and complete spare bushing/hardware kit with the frameset. That just made the deal that much sweeter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    The XL Spitfire (slack setting) with the exact 60mm Sunline stem I ran on the Tracer felt about a 1/4" shorter in the cockpit than the Tracer did. Which is odd, because on paper the Spitfire should be .2 inches longer. Perhaps it had something to do with the ride height in the front due to the shorter axle to crown fork I'm running. Who knows. Having said that, it was still a better cockpit length fit than 99% of the bikes out there for me as most only run a 24.5" which, in turn means running a longer stem .
    A Tracer with a 36 should have the same ETT as a Spitfire with a 150mm Float. Changes in A2C affect ETT, unfortunately most manufacturers ignore this fact when listing bike geometry. The slacker HA of the Spitfire will put your bars slightly higher and further back than on the Tracer with the same stem, could be why the Spitfire feels shorter.

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    Thanks SLC, interesting and confirms that I would stick with an XL when I get my Banshee - whether I'm impatient and get a Spitty and 69 it or just wait it out for the Claymore is yet to be decided.

    Question for Keith (because I'm being lazy and I know it's somewhere in the design threads on here and don't feel like searching and reading a whole lot) but how come the Spitty uses the same length HT on all sizes and yet the Rune uses increasingly longer as sizes go up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx

    Question for Keith (because I'm being lazy and I know it's somewhere in the design threads on here and don't feel like searching and reading a whole lot) but how come the Spitty uses the same length HT on all sizes and yet the Rune uses increasingly longer as sizes go up?
    Because this length headtube is strong enough for the type of riding the spitfire is designed for, and gives the customer more option of running the bars low if they want (because of the agressiveness of the bike, a lot of people want a low front end, especially if running a 160mm fork). You can always add some spacers to make the front higher if desired.

    It is just to give the option, you can add spacers to your build, but you can't remove headtube!
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride
    Because this length headtube is strong enough for the type of riding the spitfire is designed for, and gives the customer more option of running the bars low if they want (because of the agressiveness of the bike, a lot of people want a low front end, especially if running a 160mm fork). You can always add some spacers to make the front higher if desired.

    It is just to give the option, you can add spacers to your build, but you can't remove headtube!
    Like builtoride mentioned, I would rather have a low head tube and work from there than something like you'd find on an XL Giant or Turner for example. I think the Reign's run close to a 7" head tube which is just dumb.
    Having said that, I'm not a fan of running multiple headset spacers either.

    I think the (my) fix should be rather easy by just adding some bars with a bit more rise to them. If I feel it's still too low I can always throw on a stem with some rise (the Sunline's don't have any rise to them) and not effect how well the bike handles.

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    OK, that's a major point there I was wondering about and if it was done because of the HT design and travel, I figured it was to give options to run as tall as the 160mm forks that some are running - you think so logically, it's very refreshing, sometimes it's amost like reading what I would say Myself fall into the category of tall guy, liking my bars a bit lower than my saddle, but there are a lot of taler 29er riders who seem to have issues with short HTs and having to use too many spacers because they like to sit up like an English gentlemen on his Penny Farthing Also why I was considering the frame as a 69er candidate without sacrificing too much fork travel.

    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride
    Because this length headtube is strong enough for the type of riding the spitfire is designed for, and gives the customer more option of running the bars low if they want (because of the agressiveness of the bike, a lot of people want a low front end, especially if running a 160mm fork). You can always add some spacers to make the front higher if desired.

    It is just to give the option, you can add spacers to your build, but you can't remove headtube!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Also why I was considering the frame as a 69er candidate without sacrificing too much fork travel.
    Hmmm....I guess I don't get the appeal of all this wheel size swapping.

    I have a 2010 Fox Float 120 sitting in my place and the axle to crown is exactly the same as the Float 150. Couple that Float 120 with a 29'er wheel on the Spitfire and you're sitting way over the back wheel and you're left with a outgunned front fork and possibly a way slack ST. Try and compensate that with a longer travel 29'er fjork and I would imagine you'd be perched way off the back of the bike depending on what you went with.

    Seems to me so far that the Spitfire was built for maneuverability and agility. Put a wagon wheel on the front and my guess would be that you'd just be throwing all the pluses of how well the bike handles (except maybe in a straight line through a rock garden) right out the window.

    Just my two cents.

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    I'll assume you mean a 2010 Fox Float 120 29er fork and if so then I'm very surprised that it is the same as a 150mm Float 26er, given that the 160 is 545mm I'd guess the 150mm to be 535mm, which is 15mm taller than my 120mm Minute. As I said, people are running 160mm forks using inset headsets and doing just fine. SO, by my calculations with the 120 Minute and 29er wheel I'd be about 12-15mm taller in the ground to bottom of HT and a lot of those riders are using + rise stems, riser bars and the slack setting, so with a zero or neg stem and flat bar my bar height would be the same, HA about a 1/2 degree slacker, BUT using a 41mm offset fork to help and using the steep setting to compensate so still handling should be the same.

    As to why "wagon wheels" as you term them? because I moved to them and cannot ride a bike using a BMX wheel again, it's that simple, they just seem too far away and everything looks/seems weird, kind of like when you get an upgraded glasses perscription or the first time you get glasses, everything just seems out of whack.

    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Hmmm....I guess I don't get the appeal of all this wheel size swapping.

    I have a 2010 Fox Float 120 sitting in my place and the axle to crown is exactly the same as the Float 150. Couple that Float 120 with a 29'er wheel on the Spitfire and you're sitting way over the back wheel and you're left with a outgunned front fork and possibly a way slack ST. Try and compensate that with a longer travel 29'er fjork and I would imagine you'd be perched way off the back of the bike depending on what you went with.

    Seems to me so far that the Spitfire was built for maneuverability and agility. Put a wagon wheel on the front and my guess would be that you'd just be throwing all the pluses of how well the bike handles (except maybe in a straight line through a rock garden) right out the window.

    Just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    As to why "wagon wheels" as you term them? because I moved to them and cannot ride a bike using a BMX wheel again, it's that simple, they just seem too far away and everything looks/seems weird, kind of like when you get an upgraded glasses perscription or the first time you get glasses, everything just seems out of whack.
    I've been riding and racing several 29ers for the last 2 years, and while most of them were great, I would not consider messing with the spitfire's spot-on geometry which makes it such a different and fun bike to ride.
    69ers are nice for a while,but from my experience, the guys who tried & enjoyed 69ers evantually went with a full 29er for various reasons.

    IMHO - if "BMX" fun is not for you and you want another 29er - get a proper 29er.
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    how does this bike do on climbs since you guys compare it to a mini DH bike? Important since Ive been riding HT for all my life...

    How about when climbing out of the seat?
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    I guess you've not read about this forum too much then or you'd know I own a FS and rigid 29er and am patiently waiting on the Claymore 29er to come out and was thinkiing along the lines of 69ing the Spitty as a stop gap until late 2011/2012 when Keith has said it should arrive. By my calculations what I'm looking to do would not mess with the geometry much, if any.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNewOriginal
    I've been riding and racing several 29ers for the last 2 years, and while most of them were great, I would not consider messing with the spitfire's spot-on geometry which makes it such a different and fun bike to ride.
    69ers are nice for a while,but from my experience, the guys who tried & enjoyed 69ers evantually went with a full 29er for various reasons.

    IMHO - if "BMX" fun is not for you and you want another 29er - get a proper 29er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I'll assume you mean a 2010 Fox Float 120 29er fork and if so then I'm very surprised that it is the same as a 150mm Float 26er.
    Side by side in real world tests they are spot on, not e-speculating here. That means I have both in my possession and held them up next to each other to come to this conclusion.

    I just came off a 29'er and the frame is up for sale in the classifieds if you're interested. I've owned a total of 4 now: 2 Niners, a Sultan and a Vassago and I fully understand the nuances of the wagon wheel. I also understand the nuances of having balanced suspension and how that effects the handling of a bike. I see guys on every forum posting up all these 29'er/650b conversion theories (yesterday the Ibis forum had three seperate Threads going about 650b conversions) and none of them make much sense. Actually they make zero sense. Different story if you're talking about a specific frame built to accomodate a larger front wheel and smaller rear.

    Anyway, it really doesn't matter it's your bike so have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    I've owned a total of 4 now: 2 Niners, a Sultan and a Vassago and I fully understand the nuances of the wagon wheel.
    You can't fully understand the nuances of the 29" wheel until you've owned a Lenz.

    All the bikes you named above handle like crap IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    You can't fully understand the nuances of the 29" wheel until you've owned a Lenz.

    All the bikes you named above handle like crap IMO.
    Well there's that too. I sit corrected.

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    All I asked was if it was a 29er fork, since all you stated was you have a Fox Float 120 and they're available in both platforms, I did not ASSume anything.

    As to e-speculating, never said you were doing that, just you didn't specify exactly what the forks were, and I don't ASSume anything these days.

    As usual you obviously are one of those people that if something doesn't make sense to you or goes against what you think it's stupid right heaven forbid someone have a differing opinion than you and be willing to colour "outside the box" and try something new/different - it's not like that leads to anything like development right

    I for one prefer, as you like to call them, wagon wheels, WAY MORE than those BMX kiddy wheels, they just suit me and my style of riding much better. If I have to make do for a while until Keith finishes the Claymore, then in the meantime I will experiment, maybe with a Spitty or Rune, but more than likely not and will wait and continue to ride my wagon wheels and smile.

    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Side by side in real world tests they are spot on, not e-speculating here. That means I have both in my possession and held them up next to each other to come to this conclusion.

    I just came off a 29'er and the frame is up for sale in the classifieds if you're interested. I've owned a total of 4 now: 2 Niners, a Sultan and a Vassago and I fully understand the nuances of the wagon wheel. I also understand the nuances of having balanced suspension and how that effects the handling of a bike. I see guys on every forum posting up all these 29'er/650b conversion theories (yesterday the Ibis forum had three seperate Threads going about 650b conversions) and none of them make much sense. Actually they make zero sense. Different story if you're talking about a specific frame built to accomodate a larger front wheel and smaller rear.

    Anyway, it really doesn't matter it's your bike so have at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    As usual you obviously are one of those people that if something doesn't make sense to you or goes against what you think it's stupid right heaven forbid someone have a differing opinion than you and be willing to colour "outside the box" and try something new/different - it's not like that leads to anything like development right .
    Well you can take your post count into the 20K's debating this to death, it still doesn't change my opinion that swapping wheel sizes is...yes, a really dumb idea. If you go back through every single manufacturer forum and see who's posting up similar ideas, it's people who don't know any better. Make a frame that's 69'er specific and have at it. But don't try and fool people who know better into thinking a spade's not a spade.

    There's coloring outside the box to fix something that needs to be fixed or improved upon and then there's coloring outside the box that just ends up ruining a great picture. I think you may be wasting crayons on the latter of the two.

    Move on. Nothing to see here.

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    now now guys, lets argue in the 69er thread.

    I wanna see some pictures of some sick spittys in here, or people doing sick stunts on their sick spittys. I've still got 1-2 weeks before mine gets here, so I needa keep occupied.

    50 posts, and I only see 5 different bikes in here...

    and SLC, you didn't mention why your spitty has the HV can on the shock. did it come from banshee like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryguy17
    SLC, you didn't mention why your spitty has the HV can on the shock. did it come from banshee like that?
    Apparently so. HV can with high compression/medium rebound tune. This wasn't ordered special on my end BTW.
    So far it feels decent both up and down, but I have yet to hit a trail where I can push it and try to get it to bottom-at least not until the end of the week due to more rain/snow. So only time will tell.
    I've read some of the posts here regarding regular can vs. HV so I'm trying to keep an open mind about and feel the ride out for myself before doing anything drastic.
    Last season I started off on a Mojo with a TALAS 150 which I subsequently cracked the swing arm right at the beginning of the year racing a Trail Bike DH race at Sundance. A week later was another important event at Wolf Creek so I scrambled and built up a Tracer VP with a Fox Float 36 RC2.
    What little time I had on the Mojo was great in the suspension department and set the benchmark. Besides the fit, the Tracer VP was a complete let down in the suspension department but I fought through it the rest of the year.

    The rides I've had on the Spitfire so far remind me much more of the DW Link on the Mojo and even part of what I experienced on my old '09 Reign X (descending only).

    So...I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary with the HV can but given how new the frame/linkage is, we'll see if that changes as everything gets broken in. Like I mentioned before I still need a bit more time on the bike to give a more accurate evaluation. I've owned so many different bikes over the past 19 years that I can usually tell if something is going to work well for me or not. Of course, I have been wrong a few times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Apparently so. HV can with high compression/medium rebound tune. This wasn't ordered special on my end BTW.
    So far it feels decent both up and down, but I have yet to hit a trail where I can push it and try to get it to bottom-at least not until the end of the week due to more rain/snow. So only time will tell.
    I've read some of the posts here regarding regular can vs. HV so I'm trying to keep an open mind about and feel the ride out for myself before doing anything drastic.
    Last season I started off on a Mojo with a TALAS 150 which I subsequently cracked the swing arm right at the beginning of the year racing a Trail Bike DH race at Sundance. A week later was another important event at Wolf Creek so I scrambled and built up a Tracer VP with a Fox Float 36 RC2.
    What little time I had on the Mojo was great in the suspension department and set the benchmark. Besides the fit, the Tracer VP was a complete let down in the suspension department but I fought through it the rest of the year.

    The rides I've had on the Spitfire so far remind me much more of the DW Link on the Mojo and even part of what I experienced on my old '09 Reign X (descending only).

    So...I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary with the HV can but given how new the frame/linkage is, we'll see if that changes as everything gets broken in. Like I mentioned before I still need a bit more time on the bike to give a more accurate evaluation. I've owned so many different bikes over the past 19 years that I can usually tell if something is going to work well for me or not. Of course, I have been wrong a few times.
    cool. I was just curious as to what the story with it was. definitely let us know how it ends up riding in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryguy17
    cool. I was just curious as to what the story with it was. definitely let us know how it ends up riding in the long run.
    No problem. I will say though that I'm probably not the best resource when it comes to evaluating subtle variations in rear air shocks.
    My Mojo came with the Medium Tune RP23 and a month later Ibis switched over to a Low Tune spec, the reasons I can't recall. I thought the Medium Tune felt/performed flawlessly but guys here were swearing up and down about the new Low Tune spec so....
    Up front it's a different story, but it seems like people are so varied and embedded on what fork/brand they want to/will run.

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    All I was trying to say, was I couldn't believe how much of a difference there could be between manufacturers 120mm fork offerings, to have the Manitou @ 520mm and the Fox @ 535mm - That's all!

    As to taking my post count to the 20ks, if it gets there it get's there, I do believe the whole point of a forum is to encourage discussion and participation of the members about the various topics the forum carries Might be I'm a bit confused on how forums are supposed to work, but that's how I think it goes not just a few people who participate while others just watch, makes for boring discussion/forum, exchange of ideas and passing of knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Well you can take your post count into the 20K's debating this to death, it still doesn't change my opinion that swapping wheel sizes is...yes, a really dumb idea. If you go back through every single manufacturer forum and see who's posting up similar ideas, it's people who don't know any better. Make a frame that's 69'er specific and have at it. But don't try and fool people who know better into thinking a spade's not a spade.

    There's coloring outside the box to fix something that needs to be fixed or improved upon and then there's coloring outside the box that just ends up ruining a great picture. I think you may be wasting crayons on the latter of the two.

    Move on. Nothing to see here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punkeyboozter
    how does this bike do on climbs since you guys compare it to a mini DH bike? Important since Ive been riding HT for all my life...

    How about when climbing out of the seat?
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    i cant see why you would destroy all the work gone into the angles and geo off the spitfire buy 69 ing it.
    I trail ride with a mate who just flys on his up hill and down through the techy stuff,if i wasnt getting a mkII id change over to this bike in an intant from my 575 ,geo angles bb ht and tyre clearance but the cook only allows one new bike a year.
    As far as 69ing it id rather 69 my grandma?????????????there are plenty off penny farthings for sunday strolls in the bush so why not use the spitfire for what its made for...the downhillers trail bike/aggresive xc.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tribesman
    i cant see why you would destroy all the work gone into the angles and geo off the spitfire buy 69 ing it.
    I trail ride with a mate who just flys on his up hill and down through the techy stuff,if i wasnt getting a mkII id change over to this bike in an intant from my 575 ,geo angles bb ht and tyre clearance but the cook only allows one new bike a year.
    As far as 69ing it id rather 69 my grandma?????????????there are plenty off penny farthings for sunday strolls in the bush so why not use the spitfire for what its made for...the downhillers trail bike/aggresive xc.......
    Pretty much the point I was trying to get across, but you said it much more eloquently.

    As was mentioned, there is a special Forum to discuss this odd phenomenon to death with the other 3 guys interested in bastardizing great bikes .

    Like I said before: low, slack, fast and XL-just the way I like my women. Fat midgets included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Punkeyboozter
    how does this bike do on climbs since you guys compare it to a mini DH bike? Important since Ive been riding HT for all my life...

    How about when climbing out of the seat?
    Mini DH bike? Maybe a bit of gray area there, but I see what they're driving at. Seems like the other bikes I've heard thrown into that pot were the likes of the Intense Slopestyle and the Commencal Supreme 1-both of which are quite a bit more beefy and heavier than the Spitfire.
    I'd venture to say that this bike is just a bit more progressive in it's trail bike geometry than the rest of the field.
    I had my eye on that Delta Link trailbike frame Evil let out of the bag last fall but has yet to appear. From what little info I could find on that prototype, I would say the Spitfire is a real world production version of that bike-but probably $800-$1000 cheaper than what I e-speculate that Evil frame will retail for.
    My second e-speculation is that other brands will probably follow the super slack geo of the likes of the Spitfire and possibly the Sect once they've had their turn around the block. Let the little guys experiment with alternative and progressive geometry on shorter travel trail bikes and then the likes of Specialized, etc... will jump on board and try to convince the world that they've been doing it all along .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punkeyboozter
    how does this bike do on climbs since you guys compare it to a mini DH bike?
    I think you are either overstating or over-interpreting things. I would say it is a trail bike for DH guys and/or with a DH geometry. It climbs fine. No better or worse than most of the better designed trail bikes out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    I think you are either overstating or over-interpreting things. I would say it is a trail bike for DH guys and/or with a DH geometry. It climbs fine. No better or worse than most of the better designed trail bikes out there.
    Agreed.

    The angles, BB height and 90% of most everything that went into the design of the Spitfire pretty much falls into my ideal of the perfect bike. Especially considering my height and how difficult it is to find frames that fit well without having to run a sketchy 190mm stem or something stupid like that.

    In an ideal world I'd say bump the travel up from 127mm to around the 140-150mm range and inturn raise the BB a quarter inch in the slack setting (to help avoid pedal strikes) to around 13.2-13.3" or so. But retain the rest of the slack angles. However, given the current state of the Spitfire and what the other options out there are, I'm not complaining at all. Add in the price tag and this is one of the best deals going.


    Sorry to hijack the OP's Thread. Perhaps a dedicated, non-bastardized Spitfire photo page should be started?

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    OK, please explain how me wanting to go with a 120mm travel fork and 29er wheel differ in someone using a 160mm fork? The bike is primely designed around a 140mm fork, so going to 160 is above the prime, BUT, if you use the internal headset and adjustable cups you can bring the geo back AND the same can be done with the shorter fork and 29er wheel.

    How's this different? I prefer less fork to dive through and a wheel that rolls over and through stuff better.


    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Pretty much the point I was trying to get across, but you said it much more eloquently.

    As was mentioned, there is a special Forum to discuss this odd phenomenon to death with the other 3 guys interested in bastardizing great bikes .

    Like I said before: low, slack, fast and XL-just the way I like my women. Fat midgets included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    In an ideal world I'd say bump the travel up from 127mm to around the 140-150mm range and inturn raise the BB a quarter inch in the slack setting (to help avoid pedal strikes) to around 13.2-13.3" or so. But retain the rest of the slack angles.
    You can get almost exactly those numbers out of a Rune with K9/Works cups. Although of course the Rune's suspension & pedaling performance have a slightly different feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Mini DH bike? Maybe a bit of gray area there, but I see what they're driving at. Seems like the other bikes I've heard thrown into that pot were the likes of the Intense Slopestyle and the Commencal Supreme 1-both of which are quite a bit more beefy and heavier than the Spitfire... .
    I agree,
    While I consider my SS (MK1) as my FR/mini-DH bike, the spitfire is more of an all-around FUN bike... lighter, snappier, and a much better climber...
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    In an ideal world I'd say bump the travel up from 127mm to around the 140-150mm range and inturn raise the BB a quarter inch in the slack setting (to help avoid pedal strikes) to around 13.2-13.3" or so. But retain the rest of the slack angles.
    Another option other than Rune w/ K2 cups is to use the longer stroke shock in the steep setting. That should give you 140mm and higher BB. I meant to try this, but wasn't able to fix my old shock yet. And a trade for longer stroke shock fell through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    Another option other than Rune w/ K2 cups is to use the longer stroke shock in the steep setting. That should give you 140mm and higher BB. I meant to try this, but wasn't able to fix my old shock yet. And a trade for longer stroke shock fell through.
    For some reason I just missed the Rune completely. It all came down to the funds at the last moment and then frantically trying to figure out what was decent and what I could get quickly and so I was intently focused on the Spitfire.

    I did have my eyes on the K9 cups for the Tracer last year but they didn't have them dialed in for the XL frame at the time and it would have been a bit expensive ordering them from the UK as they didn't have the US distributer up and running yet.

    If I can keep the pedal strikes down to a minimum while in the slack setting things will be golden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    OK, please explain how me wanting to go with a 120mm travel fork and 29er wheel differ in someone using a 160mm fork? The bike is primely designed around a 140mm fork, so going to 160 is above the prime, BUT, if you use the internal headset and adjustable cups you can bring the geo back AND the same can be done with the shorter fork and 29er wheel.

    How's this different? I prefer less fork to dive through and a wheel that rolls over and through stuff better.
    Fairly certain my setup above listed a 150mm fork, not a 160. A 150mm fork is also one of the size forks offered within the 3 Banshee Spitfire build kits. The guy I responded too also made zero mention of any 160mm fork.

    There's a great outlet for this nonsense here. Go crazy.

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    ...and yet you talking of using a longer stroke shock and increasing travel to 140-150 is in keeping with the design principals that Keith had in mind? Oh and much as you think you're the only one with a Spitty, there's others and some are running a 160mm fork, just because you chose 150mm doesn't make you special All this started because all I was trying to say was I was surprised at how different the A to Cs could be between manufacturers, then you got on your holy horse about "wagon wheels" and started a pissing match because for whatever reason they didn't suit you but you go ahead, it must be fun in there.

    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Fairly certain my setup above listed a 150mm fork, not a 160. A 150mm fork is also one of the size forks offered within the 3 Banshee Spitfire build kits. The guy I responded too also made zero mention of any 160mm fork.

    There's a great outlet for this nonsense here. Go crazy.
    Oh and if there's a MOD about, could you please move all these posts regarding 69ing the Spitfire over to the thread I started on this forum? thanks.
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    LyNx, keep up all this 69 BS and we are sending you back to the Niner forum
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    It's totally unfair and all because of that damn crazy a$$ mofo CF All he had to do was keep his damn mouth shut about it It's like telling a 16 yr old, that on his 18th B'day he'll have 3 Playboy Bunnies come visit and rock his world - do you know what that poor kid will be going through for those next 2 years?

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    LyNx, keep up all this 69 BS and we are sending you back to the Niner forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    ...Oh and if there's a MOD about, could you please move all these posts regarding 69ing the Spitfire over to the thread I started on this forum? thanks.
    Hmmmm..... Why not keep your 69'er rant in that clapped out 69ing the Spitfire Thread you started? Obviously the idea garnered zero support there within its own right. What makes you think forcing this BS elsewhere was going to be a good idea if it went over like a turd in a punch bowl the first time?

    Actually, don't answer that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    It's totally unfair and all because of that damn crazy a$$ mofo CF All he had to do was keep his damn mouth shut about it It's like telling a 16 yr old, that on his 18th B'day he'll have 3 Playboy Bunnies come visit and rock his world - do you know what that poor kid will be going through for those next 2 years?
    Grow up and drop it. I came to this thread to look at the Spitfire. I'm tired of your tantrum ruining this thread.

    As you have been asked by the community numerous times...take this elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    ...it went over like a turd in a punch bowl....

    That's funny.

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    Didn't know SLC spoke for the entire Banshee community Tantrum, who the fvck is throwing a tantrum, I am offering up my side on a thought process, just because somoene doesn't agree or like my wheel choice doesn't mean I'm throwing a tantrum. Go back to asking silly sizing questions of strangers who know nothing of you or your wife

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    Grow up and drop it. I came to this thread to look at the Spitfire. I'm tired of your tantrum ruining this thread.

    As you have been asked by the community numerous times...take this elsewhere.
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    86 the 69

    Well since this thread is about as dead as the suspension stem idea I've decided to see what happy pants LyNx was driving at and spent last evening 69'ing my Spitfire.



    It actually couldn't have come at a better time as my cop mustache finally came in after trying to grow one for the past 7 months, so it was pretty much a bonus all around.

    To compensate for the wagon wheel on the front I had to switch the rear shock into the steeper setting, thus putting the HA and SA at a ripping 76 degrees. I feel the benefits of the increased angle of attack of the giant tumor of a front wheel coupled with the flickability and sprintability (is that a word?) of the smaller rear should aid in my uphill rockgarden sprint training sessions with Chumley and Jib after work.

    I can see the merits of the giant tumor front wheel but still felt it was lacking a bit. So I pulled the summer familyroom fans out of storage and set up a wind tunnel in Chumley's garage. The culprit we found was jersey drag. So I just tucked in my Construction Contractor collared meeting shirt and bam! Problem solved.

    One other slight problem with the 69'ing of a Spitfire is balance due to it's special 'Some More All Mountain Geometry'. I compensated the feeling of ever falling forward by adding a large leatherette man wallet into the back pocket of my TLD's 69'er Denimette riding dickies (chaps not included). I also compensated the smallish nature of my junk being pressed into tight Denimette riding dickies (chaps not included) by stuffing a half eaten Tic Tac into the front pocket to extentuate my manliness on such a beast.

    I'll offer up a full living room thrash test in a future issue.

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    I'm not even part of this community and want to muzzle priest happy pants from church of the big wheel.

    Thanks SLC, nice to see a photo in the Spitty Pics thread. The Tic Tac bit is gold.

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    Rene, when you gonna let me ride your new rig?
    Help me shovel the snow off of the trails up here, and you can ride it all you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Help me shovel the snow off of the trails up here, and you can ride it all you like.
    And after you're done helping Renegade, fill up the gas tank and head west to Park City with your snow blower. The cabin feaver's gotten so bad I'm half tempted to build a pump track in my bathroom.

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    BTW guys, if you haven't seen my Spitfire yet:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...37#post6914337
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    BTW guys, if you haven't seen my Spitfire yet:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...37#post6914337
    The white turned out very decent.

    May the 69/96'er gods not pay your Thread homage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Didn't know SLC spoke for the entire Banshee community Tantrum, who the fvck is throwing a tantrum, I am offering up my side on a thought process, just because somoene doesn't agree or like my wheel choice doesn't mean I'm throwing a tantrum. Go back to asking silly sizing questions of strangers who know nothing of you or your wife
    I'm speechless. Thank you for taking the time to validate everything I said in my original post. I have to know, were you literally jumping up an down as you wrote this tantrum?

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    Banshee Spitfire Pics-100_0898-medium-.jpg

    Just finished building my new Spitfire. Hit the Scottish hills tomorrow for a proper test.

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    Is there no MOD for this forum,, I asked for the 69 stuff to be moved, even PMd a MOD, but I guess banshee isn't popular enough to ahve ait's own MOD

    SLC, that's awesome, you even modded the frame Fantastic
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??

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    Wow...!! is that another Spitfire pic posted...??

    I set this thread up to see photo's of some sick Spitfire builds... Can we get back to it then??

    Nice bike Scarlet, Have fun on those Scottish Highlands...

    Thanks...

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    sorry for the dark picture. will update it when i get it back from the workshop...

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    The white looks good intosite, thanks for posting it.

    You'll have to let me know how the Conti Rubber Queens ride. I'd be interested to know.

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    i love the rubber queens though a bit costlier.
    am running tubes in them though, only gotten the tubeless caused my lbs were all out of the black chili ver.

    the tubeless is really heavy, i came off the 2.2 mountain king super sonics... the mountain king was really light, but felt pretty sketchy on rocky decents, and little dampness in the trails caused it to wonder all over..

    but the rubber queens stuck to the ground no matter wat. never had to worry bout it washing out. had to really push it at speed to get it to break loose.

    on the MK i had to run bout 40psi to prevent myself from getting pinch flats, i'm pretty light at 58kg with 2kg gear. on the 2.2 rubber queen i could run as low as 25psi(with tubes inside) and not get any flats.. but this could be due to the extra thickness of the walls for tubeless, i cant be sure.

    occasionally i use my wheelset on a hardtail, and it felt like i had an inch of rear suspension on the hardtail with these tires.

    the front 2.4 black chilli is just as great... am running between 20-25psi. still surviving 2 rear tire changes. i don't think i will be using any other tires soon.

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    intosite what headtube is on your Spitfire? Does not look like the Tapered version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larsey
    intosite what headtube is on your Spitfire? Does not look like the Tapered version.
    nope it's not tapered. it's a proto frame with the 1 1/8 head tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intosite
    sorry for the dark picture. will update it when i get it back from the workshop...
    Damn! I don't know if it's the pile of clothes hangers on the floor or what, but that is a nice looking Spitfire.

    Two

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    lol you guys are a hoot. Cool pics and info. I have a Rune on the way but this Spitfire is cool as hell too. Glad to see you guys are enjoying it. I hope my Rune comes with the extra bushings.
    Last edited by TinoZee; 05-17-2010 at 07:56 PM.

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    Vanity Post

    Before it rained (again) I snuck in a couple more shots of my XL Spitfire as I know some prefer to view the bike from behind and I didn't want anyone to feel like I was intentionally leaving them out.



    The shortbus.



    I get a lot of comments about my cockpit.



    Here are my cats as I've been getting a PM an hour about them from most everyone in the Banshee Forum. They listen to Iron Maiden so they're cool.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Here are my cats as I've been getting a PM an hour about them from most everyone in the Banshee Forum. They listen to Iron Maiden so they're cool.
    Nice Man! here are my cats. FoSnizzle has been asking me a lot of cat questions too, apparently he wants to get some but his wife is allergic. I referred him to my lawyer.

    PS nice bike
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    lol funny dude

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    hope you guys dont mind an incomplete pht of the frame...



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    what is that colour ,man pink???????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by tribesman
    what is that colour ,man pink???????????
    yup pink.
    though the color didnt really come out as what i wanted it to be.
    and it was shot indoors under tungsten lights, so white balancing is a little off...

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    id hate to have my lycra clad xc but kicked by a guy on a pink trail bike......even if it was 69ed........

    the more i look at these pics the more i want one ,love the orange on slc 's bike .
    i have orange ck hubs,headset and pegs on my white scythe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tribesman
    id hate to have my lycra clad xc but kicked by a guy on a pink trail bike......even if it was 69ed........

    the more i look at these pics the more i want one ,love the orange on slc 's bike .
    i have orange ck hubs,headset and pegs on my white scythe...
    yeah i wouldn't want to get my ass owned by one on a pink trail bike, so i decided to be the one on it. either ways if i'm slow it's ok, if i'm fast great

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