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    Can't say for sure on the Rune, but E13 chainguides clear the KS link on my Prime, but MRP's were a no go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coiler-d View Post
    I don't have any problems with the G2 with my set up, XTR mid cage and 38t ring.
    I think the xtr mid cage is slightly longer than the Zee FR cage. When I install my mid cage SLX the chain clears the stay by about 1mm. With the zee it touches in the 36t and the 11t (when the derailleur arm is at its flattest extremes).

    Oh also your G2 will be larger than mine if you're running a 38t (36-40) so your pulley will sit lower. I'm running the mini G2 (32-36).

    Im thinking it's the combo of those two factors that let's yours works.
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    I'd like to run an Avid Elixir with 185 mm as the rear brake for my Rune V2. Can anyone tell me what size the rear rotors may be before voiding the warranty? Would - theoretically - 200 mm still be okay? I know that the brake is attached to the droupouts which can be changed rather quickly in case anything goes wrong, however I'd like to be sure before assembling anything which is not covered under warranty.

    Then: I've registered my Rune over at bansheebikes.com and have not received a confirmation mail. Anyone registered their ride using the web form and received any answer?

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    Pinkbike review with DBAir XV


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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post

    Nice overview on Pinkbike.
    Most insightful! Looking fwd to the overview of the bike itself! Hoping Vital will do a test on the Spitfire/Rune also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky221 View Post
    Most insightful! Looking fwd to the overview of the bike itself! Hoping Vital will do a test on the Spitfire/Rune also.
    Enjoyed reading this: we can only describe as the most capable air shock we've ever ridden, and we'd even go so far as to say that the DBair and 160mm travel Banshee Rune combo is a step ahead of pretty much any coil-sprung bike of similar size that we've spent time on
    I am also waiting for the bikes review, they tested it with 650 ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALULO View Post
    Enjoyed reading this: we can only describe as the most capable air shock we've ever ridden, and we'd even go so far as to say that the DBair and 160mm travel Banshee Rune combo is a step ahead of pretty much any coil-sprung bike of similar size that we've spent time on
    I am also waiting for the bikes review, they tested it with 650 ...


    Search for this:Banshee Rune 650B - Tested Pink Bike

    Interesting what pops up......

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    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    Ok great. Now I might just have to sell both my Elka and the Fox CTD to fund one of these DB Airs. Thing looks like it could be a good replacement. Anyone know what the weight difference between the Fox CTD and the DB Air is?

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    Can anyone with a medium give me a rough idea of how long the steerer is on their forks?

    ideally with an idea of the amount of spacers you are using etc, or even a pic of the setup.

    Reason I ask is I have found a immaculate pair of 2012 Lyriks but the steerer is 185mm and I am wary of it being too short.

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    That stuff is easy to figure out, just measure the height of your stem, add the head tube and add 1/4" of spacers for the heck of it.
    Spacers vary from person to person depending on you size, bike size, the terrain your riding etc.

    Oh and forks don't come in pairs.

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    Sorry should have clarified.. I dont have the frame yet, so I cant measure the headtube... I can't find that measurement anywhere.

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    cheers.

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    The steerer of my Talas is 180 mm and I still have plenty of room

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrayf View Post
    Note - the dropped chainstays on the Rune make it impossible to run the MRP G2 Mini in the correct position. I have it turned as far as it will go (anticlock) and the chain JUST clears the chainstay with an SLX GS rear mech, however with the Zee mech it does not because the chain doesnt get pulled downward enough from the guide pulley. So I had to remove the guide pulley and re-install my Bionicon guide. Works perfect, but isnt ideal.
    You could pickup the medium-angle backplate we make for the Mini G2SL ISCG-05 - that should solve the problem.

    We also make the S4 guide, that should work well on the Rune, as will the new AMg. The Mini G3 fits, but just barely. I dunno about Micro, but my gut says it should work. I'll ask our UK distributor ISON, they also do Banshee now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Cool, think you may like it better. Should be a bit easier to climb on and quite possibly faster and more responsive on the descents. That is what I found going from slack to neutral on mine. The bike feels a little more lively and balanced to me in that setting, even at Blackrock. I did not like descending in the slack/lower setting as much, opposite of what you would think there. Think the suspension kinematics might possibly be optimized and tuned around the neutral setting. Just a guess, but that is my observation so far. I may go back to the slack setting for annual bike park trip this summer.
    tending towards that opinion as well... the bike rides beautifully in neutral setting with 170mm lyrik (no angle set)
    with slack setting, it seems a bit exegerated geometrywise... but I need a bit more testing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danshee View Post
    Hey all,
    In the past year or so I've ridden a Solid Mission 9, 2Stage Elite 9, Giant Glory, Giant Reign, Cube Fritzz, Trek Remedy, Orange Alpine 160 and all versions of the Rune( Just to give you an idea of what I'm used to riding although I'll be comparing the V2 to the previous versions of the Rune in this review ).
    It would be great if you can compare the Cube Fritzz with Rune v2!

    I'm currently riding a Fritzz and thinking of buying a Rune v2.

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    Banshee Rune V2 Build Thread-dsc00998.jpg

    Heres mine almost done.

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    Resnick: What frame size is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    You get one dropout option of your choice with the frame, which includes flip chips, and Banshee axle if applicable. You have to specify which dropouts you want when you order the frame.

    ISON, the UK distributor are telling people you dont get a choice, just 142, buy the others for £80 if you dont want 142. Is this right?

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    I got the Banshee Rune with the CCDB Air and I finished building the frame today. I was about to go ride it tomorrow for the first time but I noticed some tolerance in the rear bushing of the CCDB. I can easily reproduce it when I lift the bike holding one hand at the seat tube. Is this a known problem? Is this an issue after all?

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    This is my new Rune...





    Size M, CCDB, and XX1.
    Weight: 13,8Kg - 30,42 lb

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    This is a nice looking ride. How tall are you?

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    I am super jealous of your XX1 drivetrain. That is what I want to look into as my next purchase!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    I got the Banshee Rune with the CCDB Air and I finished building the frame today. I was about to go ride it tomorrow for the first time but I noticed some tolerance in the rear bushing of the CCDB. I can easily reproduce it when I lift the bike holding one hand at the seat tube. Is this a known problem? Is this an issue after all?
    Good question as I have the same going on with mine that I just noticed the other day after about 1.5 month of steady use on new frame. I feel the tolerance (some light movement) when lifting up the back end of the saddle while keeping wheel on the floor. Thought it might be the lower pivots, but all were tightened to spec and feels like it may be coming from rear bushing of shock, but can't feel any movement at that location when I place my fingers there. I may replace my rear bushing to see if it goes away as I might of wore it some when I put new shock mounts thru pre-existing shock from other bike onto Rune frame.
    Ride On!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxking45 View Post
    I am super jealous of your XX1 drivetrain. That is what I want to look into as my next purchase!
    Next year the prices should be more affordable if they trickle the tech down to XO or X9

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    Can anyone here recommend a what size for someone who is 175cm,
    However has a longish Mere Kat type back and short legs?
    Also, what's if like at pedalling with that slack head angle and new suspension design?

    All the best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by leejords View Post
    Can anyone here recommend a what size for someone who is 175cm,
    However has a longish Mere Kat type back and short legs?
    Also, what's if like at pedalling with that slack head angle and new suspension design?

    All the best,
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    This thread might help:
    Rune V2 sizing: Small vs. Medium

    Slayerrulz went for a small, I went for a medium, both based on our preferences and comparing to other bikes and thier setup and planned setup on the rune.

    Do you have a current bike you can compare reach measurement and stem/bar width to?

    After spending time on medium, I'm still satisfied at 172cm tall with long arms and torso. Without trying both it's really hard to tell!

    I've only ridden in slack setting so far, it's fine, even rode an XC race, I think it's just technique.
    Trying the neutral setting the first time today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    This is a nice looking ride. How tall are you?
    Thank you.
    My height is 1.71 meters, and I have a 50mm stem.

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    Makes me wonder why most of you ride the Rune in M with body heights like this. I'm 177 cm and ride a M.

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    For those who got the V2 frames, particularly in Asia,when did you place the order?
    I've made the upgrade order in Oct last year and still no delivery date till now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejords View Post
    Can anyone here recommend a what size for someone who is 175cm,
    However has a longish Mere Kat type back and short legs?
    Also, what's if like at pedalling with that slack head angle and new suspension design?

    All the best,
    Lee.
    Ive Mere Kat bones too (nice to meet you brother), im 177 with 30inch inseam. Ive ordered a Medium and will run it with 160 forks and a 60mm stem. It should fit me perfect. Should climb great spec'd like this.
    Last edited by cfrench; 02-17-2013 at 11:11 AM.

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    I had the same issue. I contacted cane creek and they admitted that some bushing sets had been sent out that we're slightly off. The play is gone with the new bushings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    I had the same issue. I contacted cane creek and they admitted that some bushing sets had been sent out that we're slightly off. The play is gone with the new bushings.
    So they sent you a set of new bushings? Warranty-wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejords View Post
    Can anyone here recommend a what size for someone who is 175cm,
    However has a longish Mere Kat type back and short legs?
    Also, what's if like at pedalling with that slack head angle and new suspension design?

    All the best,
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    hola, I am 1.73, and i am riding a med, with a 40mm stem and my saddle is a bit forward

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    I am coming out of an injury, and last saturday i went for my first ride (pointing down) with my V2 here is a video from that day, I am chasing a friend who is riding a Rune V1, and pointing his camera back ... mine is pointing front ...

    Getting back on the bike! el chirimoyo Video - Pinkbike
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    You could pickup the medium-angle backplate we make for the Mini G2SL ISCG-05 - that should solve the problem.

    We also make the S4 guide, that should work well on the Rune, as will the new AMg. The Mini G3 fits, but just barely. I dunno about Micro, but my gut says it should work. I'll ask our UK distributor ISON, they also do Banshee now.

    Nice ride!
    Thanks for the info. I didn't realize you can buy different backplates. Although they look like they are almost the cost of a guide so I'd almost be as well selling my G2 mini and going with something I know will fit. Let my know if you hear any confirmations from ISON, that would be great. Cheers.

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    Here is my new Rune! First ride on saturday. It´s fantastic!!!

    Banshee Rune V2 Build Thread-foto.jpg
    Last edited by zupaphil; 02-18-2013 at 06:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Good question as I have the same going on with mine that I just noticed the other day after about 1.5 month of steady use on new frame. I feel the tolerance (some light movement) when lifting up the back end of the saddle while keeping wheel on the floor. Thought it might be the lower pivots, but all were tightened to spec and feels like it may be coming from rear bushing of shock, but can't feel any movement at that location when I place my fingers there. I may replace my rear bushing to see if it goes away as I might of wore it some when I put new shock mounts thru pre-existing shock from other bike onto Rune frame.
    I have spoken to the german distributor of Cane Creek today and yes, they are aware of this issue. They told me to send in the shock, they will take care of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    Makes me wonder why most of you ride the Rune in M with body heights like this. I'm 177 cm and ride a M.
    i am 187cm - and got a XL - as you know.
    I think its personal intrest, and what you gonna do with the bike.

    @rokesoke: how did you remove the Enve Decals on the DH Bar?
    freedom is the ability to go where you want, when u want

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    hi, youve got to remember that its not all about how tall you are...its how long your arms and legs are and how long your spine is. some people at 5ft 10 will need the same size as someone 5ft 8 if the 5ft 10 guy has short legs and the 5ft 8 guy has long legs. on the same note someone thats 5ft 10 with long legs may opt for a large size where his buddy also at 5ft 10 opts for a medium (due to short arms/legs).....and thats before we even start talking about picking smaller size bikes for 'chuckability'. Sit on it and see before you buy, or if you cant sit on another bike you know has the same reach (+ stem length and bar width), standover, wheelbase etc...

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    I'm trying to decide what size i should get, I'm in the middle of L and XL.

    I'm 192cm with 92cm inseam.

    The current bike has a 610mm ETT and 1190mm wheelbase. It has a somewhat tall head tube of 140mm plus 40mm spacers. I've not reflected over that until I noticed that the Rune only has a 125mm head tube and people only use 1-2cm spacers. I've removed all spacers for tomorrows ride to see what that does to the feel of the bike.
    I currently run the bike with a 70mm stem and 780mm bar.

    I've tried to measure my current bike and trying out different stems and bar height
    to match both a L and XL body position to try to find an answer but the the overall feel of the bikes differ, head tube angle, seat tube angle, different chain stay length etc. that it's only the static body position that I can get a feeling of.

    The big question is if I should go with a XL and run 30-40mm stem or
    a L with 50-60mm stem, how many spacers on the toptube etc.
    Another concern is the seatpost length I need to use on a L frame.

    I ofcourse understand that all this comes down to personal preferences
    but I have no possibility to test both L and XL before buying and don't
    want to buy the wrong size.

    I really want a bike that I can ride at bike parks but it will mainly be used
    for technical trail rides, both shorter 2 hour ride but also 6-7 hour weekend rides.
    There are no long climbs, but the climbs are often steep and technical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JansonJanson View Post
    i am 187cm - and got a XL - as you know.
    I think its personal intrest, and what you gonna do with the bike.

    @rokesoke: how did you remove the Enve Decals on the DH Bar?
    Hello.
    My handle is the Riser Bar and has only ENVE logo in the center.
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    hanson, i think youd be an extra large, the rune doesnt have the longest of top tubes and this is not a bike youd want to have to put a longer stem on. depends how chuckable you want it though. maybe see if you can get similar sized rune owners to picture themselves next to their bikes to give you a better idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rokesoke View Post
    This is my new Rune...
    That is a very tidy machine indeed!

    How you getting on so far...dialled in the CCDB yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    That is a very tidy machine indeed!

    How you getting on so far...dialled in the CCDB yet?
    Also, what size front ring you got there on the XX1?
    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by rokesoke View Post
    This is my new Rune...

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    Size M, CCDB, and XX1.
    Weight: 13,8Kg - 30,42 lb
    What rims are those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchcr View Post
    That is a very tidy machine indeed!

    How you getting on so far...dialled in the CCDB yet?
    I have ridden the bike twice. I'm still adjusting everything but the bike gives signs that will go very well. Now I have the setting that indicates people of Cane Creek.

    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Also, what size front ring you got there on the XX1?
    28T. I have another 32-T, it will mount on avalanche races.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    What rims are those?
    Mavic Crossmax ST Wheels, the best option for enduro, in my opinion.

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    Keith. a couple of questions before pulling the trigger on the rune v2 frame. I am planning to get a rune v2 with ccdba. does it come with the xv can as standard and is all the necessary material (bushings etc.) already included?

    Also the dealer offered a banshee headset (tapered zero stack), who makes your headsets and do you have any information as to lower and upper cup stack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgeslo View Post
    Keith. a couple of questions before pulling the trigger on the rune v2 frame. I am planning to get a rune v2 with ccdba. does it come with the xv can as standard and is all the necessary material (bushings etc.) already included?

    Also the dealer offered a banshee headset (tapered zero stack), who makes your headsets and do you have any information as to lower and upper cup stack?
    Our headsets are made by a top quality manufacturer (First components) as used by many other more expensive headset brands... you can see the details here http://www.firstcomponents.com/image.../images/RK.jpg

    If buying the CCDBair with the frame then it will come with volume spacers so that you can fine tune the progression to your liking. It also includes all hardwear required to fit the shock on the bike. The Xvol cans are not avaliable with frames yet... it's up to you if you need them on the Rune V2, personally I prefer the standard can, but if you like a more linear feel then you could always pick up the Xvol aftermarket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanson View Post
    I'm trying to decide what size i should get, I'm in the middle of L and XL.

    I'm 192cm with 92cm inseam.

    The current bike has a 610mm ETT and 1190mm wheelbase. It has a somewhat tall head tube of 140mm plus 40mm spacers. I've not reflected over that until I noticed that the Rune only has a 125mm head tube and people only use 1-2cm spacers. I've removed all spacers for tomorrows ride to see what that does to the feel of the bike.
    I currently run the bike with a 70mm stem and 780mm bar.

    I've tried to measure my current bike and trying out different stems and bar height
    to match both a L and XL body position to try to find an answer but the the overall feel of the bikes differ, head tube angle, seat tube angle, different chain stay length etc. that it's only the static body position that I can get a feeling of.

    The big question is if I should go with a XL and run 30-40mm stem or
    a L with 50-60mm stem, how many spacers on the toptube etc.
    Another concern is the seatpost length I need to use on a L frame.

    I ofcourse understand that all this comes down to personal preferences
    but I have no possibility to test both L and XL before buying and don't
    want to buy the wrong size.

    I really want a bike that I can ride at bike parks but it will mainly be used
    for technical trail rides, both shorter 2 hour ride but also 6-7 hour weekend rides.
    There are no long climbs, but the climbs are often steep and technical.
    Personally, I'd go for bigger frame (XL). Too large is easier to find way around than contrary.

    Im 177 and I had choose between M or L. It became L and I'd use 30mm stem. Im going take the parcel out today

    Im located in Borås and study in Gothenburg It'd be fun to have Rune ride together some day

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomasis View Post
    Personally, I'd go for bigger frame (XL). Too large is easier to find way around than contrary.

    Im 177 and I had choose between M or L. It became L and I'd use 30mm stem. Im going take the parcel out today

    Im located in Borås and study in Gothenburg It'd be fun to have Rune ride together some day
    Same with me. I'm just a bit over 178 and ride a large w/ a 40mm stem, same as on my DH bike. To an extent it depends on how you ride and want the bike to handle. Personally I set it up to be as little compromise on aggressive descending, otherwise whats the reward for all the climbing? A medium might have been more comfortable and better handling at slow speeds or uphill but it's a lot easier to make a bigger bike climb than a small bike descend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Our headsets are made by a top quality manufacturer (First components) as used by many other more expensive headset brands... you can see the details here http://www.firstcomponents.com/image.../images/RK.jpg

    If buying the CCDBair with the frame then it will come with volume spacers so that you can fine tune the progression to your liking. It also includes all hardwear required to fit the shock on the bike. The Xvol cans are not avaliable with frames yet... it's up to you if you need them on the Rune V2, personally I prefer the standard can, but if you like a more linear feel then you could always pick up the Xvol aftermarket.
    No, i actually really like the progressivnes of my bikes' suspension ( i have max volume spacers in my current fox rp23), so i'll probably stick with the standard air can.

    Oh, one more thing. The BB specs, because i'll be getting a new one?

    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by general lee View Post
    Same with me. I'm just a bit over 178 and ride a large w/ a 40mm stem, same as on my DH bike. To an extent it depends on how you ride and want the bike to handle. Personally I set it up to be as little compromise on aggressive descending, otherwise whats the reward for all the climbing? A medium might have been more comfortable and better handling at slow speeds or uphill but it's a lot easier to make a bigger bike climb than a small bike descend.

    This is good to hear, i'm of a similar height and have also ordered the large. How do you find it climbing though, out of curiosity?

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    I got my frame today.

    At first glance:
    It is _tiny_. I have an XL, and it looks compact enough to be considered medium by most.

    It is burly. Due to its compact nature the weight is quite high, thus the frame breeds respect

    However, my dealer sent me 142mm drops instead of 150 I ordered, so I am facing delay.

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    you are joking right? your xl seems comparable in size to a medium frame of which bike?????

    the numbers tell me it has quite a long top tube for an enduro bike, and a reach almost longer than a sb66 which is considered to be huge.

    or am i missing something here?

    btw, how tall are you and your inseam?

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    I am 6'5" and up to recently I have been riding BMC Supertrail -> me at backyard in Katowice, Poland - photo by uzurpator - Pinkbike

    In comparison Rune, in spite of being more of a bike ( more travel, longer wheelbase ) it is visually smaller

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    by smaller you mean lower, because the bmc has a huge standover and a ridiculously long headtube, whereas the rune is much lower and has an almost identical ett?

    i'm 6ft4and would love to see how you fit on the xl frame in a regular pedaling position.

    you got me scared now that it's too small for me....

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    Well put.

    The geometry numbers are similar - HTT is identical and due to steeper HA BMC had ( well, has, I still use it ) shorter wheelbase.

    However when I grabbed the Rune out of the box I first had to check if I really got an XL, because it seemed so small.

    Size of the bike is apparent after putting in a fork and wheels

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    hi guys,

    I'm waiting my Rune v2. I hope i could ride it in March.
    Just a question: Does anyone knows if the RS Reverb 420 mm fit well into the seat tube?

    Thank you

    p.s. my Rune is L size

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandrello View Post
    hi guys,

    I'm waiting my Rune v2. I hope i could ride it in March.
    Just a question: Does anyone knows if the RS Reverb 420 mm fit well into the seat tube?

    Thank you

    p.s. my Rune is L size
    That is what I am running in my frame (Large frame 34" legs, with non stealth version) and have not had any issues at all.
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    The mystery why the frame seemed so small is solved.

    I got a wrong size ( L instead of XL ).

    I raged.

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    Anyone know the frame size and the rider's height from Pinkbike's Banshee Rune test?

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    Frame size looks like a medium to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    Anyone know the frame size and the rider's height from Pinkbike's Banshee Rune test?
    Medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uzurpator View Post
    The mystery why the frame seemed so small is solved.

    I got a wrong size ( L instead of XL ).

    I raged.
    You're kidding

    Where did you buy it from?

    I'd be pissed, hope youi get a replacement soon.

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    I am not joking.

    I got it from polish distributor TWR

    Anyhow - I'll be examining the box tomorrow to see if it is labeled as XL or just L. I'll also measure the frame. Maybe it is just wrong sticker

    Anyhow, if the box is mis-labeled then I fully expect someone pulling out a XL frame out of their box, with 150mm drops and then wailing "WHYYY, BANSHEE, WHYYYYY".

    If I get info that the replacement will come in 6 or so weeks, then I will go nuclear :/

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    Story of my frame - continued.

    The frame is an XL - the actual TT measures 610mm and ST is 20". However the sticker on the frame is from the large frame.

    The rear triangle is crooked. With 150mm dropouts I get 140mm of space.

    EDIT: I attach pictures:

    Banshee Rune V2 Build Thread-rune4.jpg
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    actual tt 610mm, what two points did you measure here?

    misaligned rear triangle stories is what put me off from buying a tracer.... haven't heard that banshee ever had similar qc issues

    how did the distributor comment?

    any pics of the rear triangle.... is the deformation visible to the naked eye?

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    I measured center-top of the HT to center-top of the ST. This should work out to 635mm claimed as effective.

    The swingarm does not seem damaged. It is most likely Pacific Cycles being sloppy on the final alignment. I guess I cant cold set it to correct size, but you know, I bought this frame because I wanted warranty and cold setting without being allowed to sounds like voiding it

    BTW - I attached pics to above post.

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    could it be that you just got the 142 droputs instead of the 150 ones???

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    Not likely, altho that was my first suspicion. The rear triangle measures 140mm in the widest place as well. Such stance would not allow to run 150mm hub ( chain would rub the frame in the highest gear ).

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    I'm sorry to hear that your frame has been damaged in shipping. Was there any obvious damage to the box that you receved from distributor?

    Jay personally tests all frames as they go into boxes at the factory for rear hub spacing and wheel alignment, so it left the factory properly aligned.

    Please contact your distributor about a warranty.
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    There was no visible damage to the box. Thanks for confirmation that it is indeed a damage to the frame. I shall contact my distributor

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    rear triangel is just little tight. i just pushed apart to install 150mm rear hub

    measured unattached, it is 144mm between dropouts. is it just ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rokesoke View Post
    Hello.
    My handle is the Riser Bar and has only ENVE logo in the center.
    ENVE Carbon Riser Bar
    only a 700mm bar on that machine, isn´t a little narrow?
    i love mine - cut down to 770mm
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    Can anyone (Keith?) tell me why the build kits for the Rune come along with a 60 mm stem? was the frame in some way designed around/with this stem length in mind? I know a lot of you ride shorter stems on their Runes, and it keeps me wondeRing why Banshee did not choose shorter stems for their build kits. Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JansonJanson View Post
    only a 700mm bar on that machine, isn´t a little narrow?
    i love mine - cut down to 770mm
    I think it's a matter of position and personal preferences.
    I could not go with that broomstick ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    Can anyone (Keith?) tell me why the build kits for the Rune come along with a 60 mm stem? was the frame in some way designed around/with this stem length in mind? I know a lot of you ride shorter stems on their Runes, and it keeps me wondeRing why Banshee did not choose shorter stems for their build kits. Cheers!
    I'd be guessing because it is a pretty average sized stem for most of the Banshees - people seem to run 50 to 70 range. When buying a bike the stem is probably the most commonly swapped out item (next to saddle) according to personal preferance and local terrain - everyone is different and you can't please everyone, may as well try to hit the middle ground...

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    it is a matter of preference but there seems to be alot of divergence towards the 730-740mm range in the AM and Enduro categories and these folks typically run 50 to 60mm stems. I advise people to start wide and take 20mm off at a time until you find your sweet spot...since you can put back on what youve taken off.

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    Grand finale.

    I have struck a deal with my distributor. Since I am not eager to wait 6-10 weeks for a replacement frame/swingarm, we concluded that I can mount the rear wheel and see if there is a misalignment.

    There was none visible, the frame is dead straight.

    Thus we decided that I can use the frame, and if there is even a sliver of doubt about integrity of the bike, I'll get a warranty replacement ASAP.

    So, with that in mind, my bike starts to take shape of this:



    The fork is at 180mm. I still wait for a few details.
    - Still need to bleed the brakes
    - Shorten the steerer
    - Cut the bars somewhat ( currently it is 915mm SSC Yardstick )
    - New seat
    - Need shock bushings :P
    - Chainring will be replaced from the 39/26 they are now to:



    35/21

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    why are you changing those rings, what cassette have you got on?

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    great to see you sorted the bike. btw it looks anything but small
    how many spacers are you running under your stem and what is the seatpost length above the seattube (tot of seatpost to seatpost clamp)?

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    frenchcr: The cassette is 12-30 Tiagra unit. I will replace the current rings because 35/21 that is my preferred gearing. 39/26 is way too high for me for a bike of this sort

    georgeslo: thanks. The seatpost is about 8 inches above the collar. But I honestly cannot tell how much exactly. The seat is yet not perfectly positioned. I have 37mm of spacers below the stem. But that is going to change after a first few rides.

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    Ordered a frame finally, so excited to ride it the wait is going to be painful! Here's my build plan:

    Rune v2 frame large ano black
    Fox float ctd
    X-fusion Slant RL2 DLA (still dying to find real info on this fork, talas might be a back up)
    Havoc or Haven carbon bars
    Havoc stem
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    Stans Flow EX 650b wheelset (can get them cheap with their 3.30 hubs, gotta save money somewhere)
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    Kronolog post (a gamble I know, but I like the fixed cable)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironxcross View Post
    Ordered a frame finally, so excited to ride it the wait is going to be painful! Here's my build plan:

    Rune v2 frame large ano black
    Fox float ctd
    X-fusion Slant RL2 DLA (still dying to find real info on this fork, talas might be a back up)
    Havoc or Haven carbon bars
    Havoc stem
    XT brakes
    XX1 drivetrain
    Stans Flow EX 650b wheelset (can get them cheap with their 3.30 hubs, gotta save money somewhere)
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    Kronolog post (a gamble I know, but I like the fixed cable)
    Why not Vengeance?

    http://www.xfusionshox.com/product/f...e-hlr-dla.html

    Slant seems more like a fork for the Spitfire.
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    Isn't the vengeance building really high? Which brings me to a question since I have yet to decide which fork I will run: Are there any noticeable differences between the Rock Shox Lyrik and teh Vengeance? I.e. should I prefer the Lyrik over the Vengeance or the aother way around?

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    I'm ok with the vengeance axle to crown on my bike, running 170mm version.

    I'm 172cm tall, on a medium frame, 0 spacers under the stem.
    50mm stem on 740mm bars with 20mm rise.
    BB height and head angle is fine so far on slack and neutral setting for different types of riding.
    Also good for 650b clearance on arch and crown.

    If you like -really- low front ends then maybe choose other forks, or run 10mm or flat as possible bars with the vengeance.

    It's something like 10mm higher than most forks (?) - make sure you run a zero stack lower cup and could make the difference.

    Vengeance forks are good for a solid build, damping adjustments and small bump is great, very stiff fork and suits the frame with DBair shock.

    I haven't tried Lyrik or Fox 36s, but compared to Fox 40s they are very confidence inspiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    Isn't the vengeance building really high? Which brings me to a question since I have yet to decide which fork I will run: Are there any noticeable differences between the Rock Shox Lyrik and teh Vengeance? I.e. should I prefer the Lyrik over the Vengeance or the aother way around?
    with a ZS lower cup the extra height can be negated. Also the Vengeance Air has an internal travel adjust which will also lessen the A2C.

    Between the two forks I feel there is no comparison. X Fusion is leagues ahead of Rock Shocks in terms of damping. The compression adjustments have a huge range, and two clicks goes very far. I was never very happy with the Lyrik. Terrible brake dive and compressions adjustments felt numb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Why not Vengeance?

    http://www.xfusionshox.com/product/f...e-hlr-dla.html

    Slant seems more like a fork for the Spitfire.
    Price and weight. Definitely still considering the vengeance, or any other fork, but on paper the slant sounds perfect for me. A claimed pound lighter than the DLA vengeance, cheap (after going all xx1 I need to save a few pennies somewhere so I can finish this build soon), and I'm pretty confident I'll be happy with 160mm. I really want travel adjust because most of my XC rides I'll use it for are the straight up, straight down kind of ride so I spend the first 1-2 hours chugging away up a hill. So being able to drop the front end for that is pretty important.

    Still have some questions I'd like answered on the Slant though. Can anyone confirm it will run 650b without reducing travel? 99% sure it will, but not a lot of official stuff released from x-fusion. Also, anyone know exactly what kind of control you will have over the dampening? Their site makes no mention of any dampening control, but in the picture here:

    Video: X-Fusion Launch 2013 Suspension Range - BikeRadar

    of the RL damper knob, looks like there's a + and - for compression? I emailed them asking if the Slant will have any compression adjustment, but no response. If there's no compression adjustments, as their site indicates, then I'll definitely be back to the drawing board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironxcross View Post
    Price and weight. Definitely still considering the vengeance, or any other fork, but on paper the slant sounds perfect for me. A claimed pound lighter than the DLA vengeance, cheap (after going all xx1 I need to save a few pennies somewhere so I can finish this build soon), and I'm pretty confident I'll be happy with 160mm. I really want travel adjust because most of my XC rides I'll use it for are the straight up, straight down kind of ride so I spend the first 1-2 hours chugging away up a hill. So being able to drop the front end for that is pretty important.

    Still have some questions I'd like answered on the Slant though. Can anyone confirm it will run 650b without reducing travel? 99% sure it will, but not a lot of official stuff released from x-fusion. Also, anyone know exactly what kind of control you will have over the dampening? Their site makes no mention of any dampening control, but in the picture here:

    Video: X-Fusion Launch 2013 Suspension Range - BikeRadar

    of the RL damper knob, looks like there's a + and - for compression? I emailed them asking if the Slant will have any compression adjustment, but no response. If there's no compression adjustments, as their site indicates, then I'll definitely be back to the drawing board.
    The Vengeance I linked has all of the features you want. But you are right, there is a difference of 1lb.

    From what I understand the Slant does not have any external adjustments for Compression. The knob in that picture is the "lockout." The Vengeance HLR has external High and Low speed compression and Rebound adjusters. Also from looking at the specs I think the Vengeance is their only 650B fork.

    I totally understand the desire to save money, but the fork is a very critical piece of the bike. Also they both have the external travel adjust (Down Low Adjust) DLA.

    Hopefully you hear back from them soon, they have always been quick to respond for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by XFusion

    Slant RL2 DLA Specifications

    Travel: 160mm/130mm
    WT. LBS: (APR)4.5(15mm axle, 1 1/8 Steerer)
    WT. Grams: 1995 (15mm axle, 1 1/8 Steerer)
    Spring: Air
    Steerer: Tapered
    Adjustments: Lockout, Rebound, DLA
    Stanchion: 34mm, Gold Hard Ano, Aluminum
    Casting: Magnesium
    Axle: X-15 tool-less axle
    Wheel: 26”
    Colors: White / Black
    Axle to Crown: 545mm @ 160mm
    Max Rotor Size: 203mm
    Quote Originally Posted by XFusion
    Vengeance HLR DLA Specifications

    Travel: 170mm/140mm
    WT. LBS: (APR)5.5(170mm)
    WT. Grams: 2494 (170mm)
    Spring: Air
    Steerer: 1 1/8, Tapered
    Adjustments: Air, Rebound, High and Low Speed Compression, DLA
    Stanchion: 36mm, Gold Hard Ano, Aluminum
    Casting: Magnesium
    Axle: X-20 tool-less axle
    Wheel: 26”, 27.5" (650b)
    Colors: Black, White
    Axle to Crown: 565mm @ 170mm
    Max Rotor Size: 203mm
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    X-Fusion stuff can get very confusing and there is NO mention on their web site about the fact that a true 650B Slant (yes, another model) will not be available until mid year release. Nice huh? Or the fact they will have a short travel 120/130mm Slant version, or the fact it's listed as 170mm travel in one spot with an A/C of 545.

    That being said they advise (key word advise) that their 140mm Velvet fork needs a spacer to work with 650B. Guess what, it doesn't. They say the Velvet 140 DLA isn't compatible with 650B but guess what, it works. I'm not gonna advise you that the new Slant (non 650B version) will work with 650B wheels but I'm gonna guess that they will fit easily at the arch and probably be really close to the bottom of the crown at full bottom out, and well, X-Fusion would like to avoid any potential law suits by advising against using it with 650B wheels. Fork isn't even available yet so no way to know. Also, the offset could be optimized for 26" wheels. True 650B fork gets it's own offset just like 29'er forks do. All this may not matter to you as it looks as though there is no compression adjustment besides air pressure which would be to bad IMO. Seems like LOTS of people are waiting for this fork to finally materialize.
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    Hmm, sounds like I might be pushing another pound up the mountain this season then with the vengeance. No external compression adjustments is enough for me to count the slant out. My last fork was a boxxer with avy cartridge...

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    Nothing against X-Fusion, but I was after the Slant too. Should have been released in January, now it´s going to be mid Year or later, if the Fork will ever come ...
    As for 650B: Seems like the Slant has to use a Spacer to reduce Travel down to 150 mm. 160 mm full Travel is only with 26ers. But again, that was the Feature almost a Year ago. Nobody knows when this Fork will be available, plus nobody knows the final Features of Damping or Travel-Adjust, so you might look elsewhere ...

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    I should have mentioned that the 26" version of the Slant "should be available" any day now. It's the 650B version that will be at least mid year release and I assume cast with different lowers.
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    Ah ok! My Info was the Slant being compatible for both Wheelsizes, with Spacer for the 650B reducing the Travel to 150 mm. Good Chance I´m wrong here ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Ah ok! My Info was the Slant being compatible for both Wheelsizes, with Spacer for the 650B reducing the Travel to 150 mm. Good Chance I´m wrong here ...
    Yeah, I believe that was the original info from X-Fusion and also what they tell you to do with the Velvet...even though the spacer is not needed. Now we find out it's gonna be 2 different Slant forks. It's my hunch that the 26" version of the Slant will still fit some (maybe not the tallest?) 650B tires just like some Fox 26" forks do. No way to know yet and I don't know the offset either which I think is important. When I went from my converted 650B Prophet with a std. 26" Fox fork to the Jamis with the 650B Loop fork which had 6mm more offset I couldn't believe how much better and less twitchy the Jamis was even though they both have the same HA. Much easier to ride and make it go where I wanted.
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