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    Initial ride report: THIS THING IS ****ING FAST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    Initial ride report: THIS THING IS ****ING FAST.
    Concise, to the point, not too wordy but all the information we need. All in all, a very good review.

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    Pinkbike posted a picture tonight on FB of their 650b test sled in mid-build at OTE in Sedona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    Pinkbike posted a picture tonight on FB of their 650b test sled in mid-build at OTE in Sedona.
    Link?

    NVM found it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Link?
    Make me get off the couch and go to the PC, huh? I was in iPad land, which doesn't make sharing FB links easy.
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    Woops sorry

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    A question for Keith.
    How strong are the ISCG tabs? I'm looking into crank setups, And I'm pondering between taco and a classic bash. I'd rather go with a FC-M675 + E.13 LS1+, the altrenative is FC-M670 and a classic chainguide + bashring.

    If I sustain a tab breaking hit/crash/impact can I warranty the frame? Can the tab's be broken at all?

    A little help please.

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    As is true for nearly all manufacturers, warranty only covered manufacturing defects. Damage caused by large impact to the ISCG tabs will not be covered under warranty, but we will offer crash replacement.

    The ISCG tabs weld is strong, but no welds like direct impact which is essentially what happend when a taco hits the ground.
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    Thank's.

    So m670 + bash i it is.

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    My frame just showed up, but sans the 650b dropouts. I called Trident and was told they wouldn't be shipping the 650b dropouts until late January at the earliest. Glad I ordered the 26" dropouts as well.

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    Pink Bike got the only available 650 dropouts apparently

    After they finish thrashing it, it's coming to Francois here at MTBR for the 650 shootout.
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    We had a bit of an issue with forging supplier for the 650B dropouts, hence they have been delayed. Sorry about that. They aren't too far out now.
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    I should probably spend some time on 26" wheels anyway, just for comparison.

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    I picked up a blue Rune 2 a few days ago and just got it built up. I'd post a pic but MTBR won't let me yet. Guess I need to post more and troll less...

    You can find it over on Vital in the bike check section if you're interested in seeing how that color looks (I'm 5'10" and it's a large)

    And definitely check out the feature we did on the Banshee factory. They may be a small operation but they certainly aren't cutting any corners with designing and building their bikes. I was super impressed.

    Glad to see you guys are as stoked on this bike as I am. I've never been this psyched to build up a trail bike.

    Cheers

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    General Lee, you have a sweet bike and great piece on Vital about Banshee!

    How are the Oozy rims holding up? I'm thinking of building up some new wheels once Spank sends over another shipment to N. America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    Lee, your bike looks amazing!

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    Very nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miltony527 View Post
    Beatiful! Do you have a pic of the frame weight?
    I don't. For 2 reasons:

    1. I don't have a scale

    2. I've never weighed any bike I've owned, not even my race bikes during my previous World Cup racing days. My personal philosophy has been to spec a bike the way I want performance wise and leave it at that. But I do like my wheels to be pretty light while still being durable (1650 for the pair in this case).

    I'd guess it's in the +/- 30lb range depending on tire selection. Right now it's Oozy wheels and 2.5/2/35 Minion single ply so not too bad to pedal around at all. For comparison sake, I compared it to a complete 100mm '08 Giant Reign I had lying around at it's definitely lighter which actually surprised me.

    Sorry if that's not the most helpful answer, but I actually rate weight fairly low on my priorities for choosing a frame. Geometry the #1 factor followed by suspension, brakes, tires, wheels in that order.

    As a former high level DH racer, this is the trail bike I wanted 10 years ago. Glad someone finally made it.

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    general lee, thanks for making factory Review. I was impressed too.

    my height is 5"10 and Im surprised that you picked Large size. I got recommendation by Banshee to get Medium size. Any reason to choose Large? In case before I regret choosing medium size

    What lenght of stem and bar do you use?

    Ozzy rims, hmm interesting. Better than Flow rims?

    Indeed, me as dh rider , Rune v2 is no brainer choice and even will become my main bike of all those I own

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    @tomasis
    I am 5'11 (180cm) and I ordered a large Rune (it felt great when I sat on it at the Eurobike show). I am currently riding a Liteville 301 in L, but I had a 301 in M before. In retrospective, it was a very wise decision to switch to the larger frame size. Now I am using a shorter stem, which results in almost the same length but gives me more control in extremely steep sections. Since the chainstays did not grow with the larger frame it feels as versatile as the M, but it's much better when I am going fast.

    I will go for L + 30mm stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomasis View Post
    general lee, thanks for making factory Review. I was impressed too.

    my height is 5"10 and Im surprised that you picked Large size. I got recommendation by Banshee to get Medium size. Any reason to choose Large? In case before I regret choosing medium size

    What lenght of stem and bar do you use?

    Ozzy rims, hmm interesting. Better than Flow rims?

    Indeed, me as dh rider , Rune v2 is no brainer choice and even will become my main bike of all those I own

    My arms are slightly longer proportional to my height which figures in a bit but that's not really the reason. I used med frames for all my dh race bikes for a long time but they started feeling more cramped as 8" forks and geometry changes made riding less upright and more evenly over the entire bike a lot faster and efficient. I felt like my '08 Sunday would have been perfect with the top and downtube off a large, same with my original Evil Revolt. Even since then I've ridden mostly larges since few companies have totally retooled their geometry around having a longer front end. I heard a from a few product managers that they were considering going to Small, Med, Med-long, XLarge but it's a tough call when people have really been conditioned to think of bikes only in terms of seat tube height and effective TT length (which means nothing as soon as you stand up). Instead of getting on a bike an thinking 'this feels good when I sit on it' you might want to consider what it feels like when you stand on it. Make sense?

    At 5'10 you could go either way depending how you like to be positioned on the bike. I come from more of a DH racing background and prefer a bit more aggressive position on a bike. In this case if you're choosing between sizes it's best to go bigger than smaller since the latter starts to make your hands feel like they're near your waste and your chest and head way ahead of them; not exactly a good feeling.

    I could probably ride a medium with no problem but I just feel more comfortable with the slightly longer front end.

    50mm stem, 740 bars. Same as the DH bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by general lee View Post
    My arms are slightly longer proportional to my height which figures in a bit but that's not really the reason. I used med frames for all my dh race bikes for a long time but they started feeling more cramped as 8" forks and geometry changes made riding less upright and more evenly over the entire bike a lot faster and efficient. I felt like my '08 Sunday would have been perfect with the top and downtube off a large, same with my original Evil Revolt. Even since then I've ridden mostly larges since few companies have totally retooled their geometry around having a longer front end. I heard a from a few product managers that they were considering going to Small, Med, Med-long, XLarge but it's a tough call when people have really been conditioned to think of bikes only in terms of seat tube height and effective TT length (which means nothing as soon as you stand up). Instead of getting on a bike an thinking 'this feels good when I sit on it' you might want to consider what it feels like when you stand on it. Make sense?

    At 5'10 you could go either way depending how you like to be positioned on the bike. I come from more of a DH racing background and prefer a bit more aggressive position on a bike. In this case if you're choosing between sizes it's best to go bigger than smaller since the latter starts to make your hands feel like they're near your waste and your chest and head way ahead of them; not exactly a good feeling.

    I could probably ride a medium with no problem but I just feel more comfortable with the slightly longer front end.

    50mm stem, 740 bars. Same as the DH bike

    Thanks for that write up Lee, I was worried about my own choice of Large even though I am 6', I thought maybe I would need a shorter stem or something but I think i will keep my 60mm to try it out for now after reading this.

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    What a bike!!! Build and color: Great!!

    Is the travel of the fork 160 or 180mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailinger View Post
    What a bike!!! Build and color: Great!!

    Is the travel of the fork 160 or 180mm?
    Thanks, I'm pretty psyched on how it turned out. Jay at Banshee really went out of his way to sort everything out for me, and Spank came through with some pretty sweet wheels for me to test as well. Now if it would just stop raining here in Taipei....

    Fork is 160mm, same as the rear. Any more than that and I'd just get on a DH bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailinger View Post
    What a bike!!! Build and color: Great!!

    Is the travel of the fork 160 or 180mm?
    With the fox talas is easy to see if the fork is 160 or 180 in side pic, since the 180 goes below the hub like a cm. I have a 180 in my rune v2
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    Put mine together today. Specs are: Medium frame, Lyric RC2dh 170mm, Elka shock, spank subrosa rims, hope pro 2 evo hubs, pro taper 780mm bars, gravity dropper, xt brakes, 1x10 sram x7, mrp mini g2 sl chain guide (for now). Will try and weigh it tomorrow after riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    General Lee, you have a sweet bike and great piece on Vital about Banshee!

    How are the Oozy rims holding up? I'm thinking of building up some new wheels once Spank sends over another shipment to N. America.

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    Is that as far forward as you can clock the chainguide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better View Post
    Is that as far forward as you can clock the chainguide?
    yes... i have the same one and it has to be almost as far counter clockwise as it can go or it hits the chainstay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtails Are Better View Post
    Is that as far forward as you can clock the chainguide?
    With this particular e13 guide and chainring setup yes. But it doesn't rub the chain anywhere in any gear and retention certainly isn't compromised any. Could space the ring and guide out further but as it is now the chain line is perfect.

    I've since taken the dremel to the upper-inner corner of the lower guide and shaved off a few mm (it's really thick on the inner edge) and that took care of the clearance issue. No change in performance, but aesthetically it looks better now that it's rotated a bit more forward.

    Not really a fault of Banshee or ethirteen, it's impossible to assure perfect frame/guide compatibility across all models and ring sizes.

    only a few more posts and I can show you a pic

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    Where are all the black ano. frames ... ?

    Waiting can be soooo cruel!
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    Put a few miles on the new bike today. Had to cut it short due to some headset issues, so I didn't get to push it on the dh part. But... It felt great on the climbs; no bobbing, lots of traction, but not harsh either. And no more pedal feedback!

    Can't wait to get some real rides on it.

    Weight was 36.5lbs by the way.
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    anyone with 22/36 setup?

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    Had a chance to take a few proper pics up in the Taipei hills this afternoon:





    26", 12x142, low and slack


    Tire clearance is never going to be an issue

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    Wow, the blue color is absolutely amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALULO View Post
    With the fox talas is easy to see if the fork is 160 or 180 in side pic, since the 180 goes below the hub like a cm. I have a 180 in my rune v2
    Very nice bike!!!

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    Alright, enough lurking. Time to post...

    Anything that will fit from my V1.5 will be going on the V2. Minus the BB and cables/housings. I dug up an older M-660 FD and like builttoride mentioned there is a tad bit of clearance issues. Nothing that 5 minutes with a dremel couldn't fix. I shaved away some of the plastic housing where the adjustment screws are as well as the flange on the rear of the cage. Both of these areas were contacting the swingarm strut. Now the only issue is at full travel the lower link barely contacts the cable pinch bolt. This may be adjusted out once I get the crank installed. Just gotta wait and see.

    Has anyone had issues with the longer HT length? I'm hoping with the zs lower headset and removing the one 4mm'ish spacer my steerer will be long enough!

    Hopefully I'll have build pics up on Saturday! ...and a ride report on Sunday!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.A View Post
    anyone with 22/36 setup?
    I have a 22/32/44 with the 44 removed, I had the same with the old Rune, but with a MRP 2x chain guide, my mechanic could not fit the chain guide on the V2 with this crankset, i havent had the time to get in more details, but the guys at Banshee are waiting for more details and pics to have it fit, i Also mean to get the new X.0 22/36 as soon as they are available ...

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    builttoride:

    Should I be afraid to run a -2degree cups on the new Rune with 180mm fork and slackest geometry setting? I am 250lb geared and have an XL frame on order ( with 150mm dropouts for that extra rigidity ).

    I don't drop to flat all that much - or ever - but that combo is both tempting and worrying at the same time...

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    Is that really the bike to ride 63 degrees with??? Not long ago I stated the fact, proven by a math formula, that with every degree you add approx. 0.5" to the wheelbase.
    With -2 degrees and an XL frame you end up with 48.5" wheelbase....

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    Wheelbase does not bother me at all. I rode bikes with even more then that. There are no tight switchbacks anywhere I ride.

    What I want is a bike that can go up and down with as little compromise as possible, and all the options on the market at the moment are either too small ( I am 6'5" ) or compromised one way or another. Rune V2 is already a good bet at a bike that can do all and with a slacker HA it might actually be even better. Experiment is needed.

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    Every rider has to follow its own likings. I am 6.2 and the last bike I tried in XL felt like an oil tanker when cornering in slower, technical sections. I choose the L version and ride it with 66 degrees max. Therefor 63 degrees sounds kinky to me.
    But go your own way and have fun….

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    My V2 came in yesterday. One word that describes the new Rune, BURLY with a capital B. This is a hucker's AM bike.
    that is good to know. i went with a spitfire as i wanted to try something different after many years on a rune, and my feeling that the v2 was going to be a burlier bike. i swapped the 36 on my v1 rune to a revelation and haven't felt like it gives up anything for the kind of riding i do (mostly north shore), so i was confident in my decision but still a bit unsure. thanks for the feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by grazertourer View Post
    Wow, the blue color is absolutely amazing!
    X2...really nice
    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    I would consider the Spitfire more suited to my needs, but they do seem pretty similar given that they both suit the same fork, HTA is only a degree off, CS is similar etc. The suspension characteristics LOOK like they'd be similar because the frame appearance is so similar but I am curious how different they ride as I know a small change to link length can have a major effect. I'm sure there's weight difference but a pound isn't a big deal once you add everything else onto the frame. I'd probably run the Rune in the steep setting and the Spitty in the mid setting.

    Thing is, I LOVE that blue.

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    You're also adding another 20mm to the axle to crown on a180mm fork. In the slack setting you're probably pushing closer to 64 degrees already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALULO View Post
    With the fox talas is easy to see if the fork is 160 or 180 in side pic, since the 180 goes below the hub like a cm. I have a 180 in my rune v2
    thank you, thats a really worthy information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uzurpator View Post
    builttoride:

    Should I be afraid to run a -2degree cups on the new Rune with 180mm fork and slackest geometry setting? I am 250lb geared and have an XL frame on order ( with 150mm dropouts for that extra rigidity ).

    I don't drop to flat all that much - or ever - but that combo is both tempting and worrying at the same time...
    This is not something I can reccomend. The 180mm fork option is only covered if running a standard zero stack headset. If you ran 180mm fork with -2degrees youd end up with a headangle slacker than almost all DH bikes ~62.5 degrees. This combined with the long fork and your weight would run potential of over stressing the frame. Plus it really wouldn't handle very well on vast majority of terrain.
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    Keith, what's the minimum seat post insert depth of the L frame?

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    100mm or whatever your seatpost suggests, whichever is deeper. But use some common sense if you are very heavy rider and insert the post further to avoid having to buy a new post or front triangle.
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