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    Brilliant thanks guys, I appreciate the help.

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    Worst build thread ever! Less text more pics!

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    Haha PUNKY, show us yours, as you must have received your Frame already, isnīt it? Would give some great entertainment here while in the meantime all others have to wait for their Frames to arrive ...

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    Another question on headsets guys. For the upper assembly I see both short and tall listed. Should I be ordering one over the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Another question on headsets guys. For the upper assembly I see both short and tall listed. Should I be ordering one over the other?
    I cant answer that but I have another headset question.

    I am going to use my 1.5 fork from the v1 and found a complete headset on CRC that I can use for the top (44mm external) but can not find a 56mm bottom.
    Found one that is 55.9mm, would that be the same?
    I saw Zaks post with the link for the bottom but dont really want to pay $37 shipping to Canada and am ordering from CRC anyway. Is there something I can use as a bottom from CRC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burke ryder View Post
    I cant answer that but I have another headset question.

    I am going to use my 1.5 fork from the v1 and found a complete headset on CRC that I can use for the top (44mm external) but can not find a 56mm bottom.
    Found one that is 55.9mm, would that be the same?
    I saw Zaks post with the link for the bottom but dont really want to pay $37 shipping to Canada and am ordering from CRC anyway. Is there something I can use as a bottom from CRC?


    Can you use a 1.5 fork? I did not think so as it is a tapeered head tube. The headsets are failry cheap at Universalcycles.com Plus you can use these coupons. Oh and Dunbar cycles in Vancouer will price match the headset if your here on the west coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Can you use a 1.5 fork? I did not think so as it is a tapeered head tube. The headsets are failry cheap at Universalcycles.com Plus you can use these coupons. Oh and Dunbar cycles in Vancouer will price match the headset if your here on the west coast.

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    To be honest there are so many different standards now my head just spins. Thats probably why I cant find a bottom at CRC...Anyone?

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but the head tube is 44mm on top so a 44mm headset external bearing will fit my 1.5 like the Nukeproof Warhead 44EEOS

    Yea, I.m in Van. Thanks for the links.

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    Pretty sure this Hope bottom separate is what you need.

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    I don't see any Hope top assy's that do what you want so you need to buy the complete Nukeproof headset you listed to get the correct upper cup/bearing assy. to fit a 1.5 steerer and into the 44mm headtube. It's an odd combo and the 2 companies that sell separate tops and bottoms (Cane Creek and Hope) don't seem to offer that top you want. At least without contacting them to find out.
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    Headsets

    @Mishtar: I'd suggest short, because if gives you a wider range of adjustment using spacers. If you get a tall, the minimum stem height is higher.

    @burke ryder: The Nukeproof Warhead 44EEOS is right for a 1.5" steerer in 44mm head tube upper. The lower cup won't work.

    From CRC, I'm ordering the Hope pick'n'mix for a tapered steerer, tapered headtube:
    top cup: Hope Pick n Mix Headsets - Top Cup | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com 1.1/8" integral 43.95mm
    bottop cup: Hope Pick n Mix Headsets - Bottom Cup | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com 1.5" integral 55.9mm


    @skidad: I think that haedset is for a "traditional" inner bore of 49.57mm, rather than "tapered 56mm", someone correct me if I'm wrong!
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    Double crank chainring tabs ok with top guide?

    @AdrianoMTB: Is that an XT double crankset? Is there adequate clearance between the chainring tabs and the upper chain guide?
    I haven't seen a double in person, it looks like the double chainring tab is a little more pronounced than the triple, I thought it might have more chance of fouling the upper guide if the fit was 'close'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by burke ryder View Post
    To be honest there are so many different standards now my head just spins. Thats probably why I cant find a bottom at CRC...Anyone?

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but the head tube is 44mm on top so a 44mm headset external bearing will fit my 1.5 like the Nukeproof Warhead 44EEOS

    Yea, I.m in Van. Thanks for the links.
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    So $67 for the Cane creak 40 series. Dunbar said they would price match it so you would save shippng and handling. Or you could get the 110 series for $132

    The hope ones are $82 so the 40 series would be cheaper if bought In Van at Dunbar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    @AdrianoMTB: Is that an XT double crankset? Is there adequate clearance between the chainring tabs and the upper chain guide?
    I haven't seen a double in person, it looks like the double chainring tab is a little more pronounced than the triple, I thought it might have more chance of fouling the upper guide if the fit was 'close'?
    Hi Ptd!

    In fact, I had to put little spacers between the ring and the cranks to align the chain within the chainguide.

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    Hi Guys! It would bei so nice if anyone could give me a hint about the right lenght of the brake hoses front and rear? Is it really a minimum of 170mm? What would you recommend in the front using a 180mm fork and 760mm bar?

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    760mm bars? That is in DH range, if there are any tree's on your local trails you may be nailing them with your bars. I personally am using a 711mm bar and think it is more then big enough, my DH bar is only 730mm and I am 6ft and it feels perfect.

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    I use chromag 780 on both my spitfire and rune and they are go down so solid! It felt just right when i change from 730 to 780 ...

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    In my opinion 740er to 760er Bars are pretty average today (I have a Nukeproof Warhead 765), while DHers go wider, up to 800er Bars.

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    Cant wait to build mine up. My frame shipped from Trident today! I have been waiting since the end of July. Ugh. Another week?

    Cant wait to throw a leg over this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    760mm bars? That is in DH range, if there are any tree's on your local trails you may be nailing them with your bars. I personally am using a 711mm bar and think it is more then big enough, my DH bar is only 730mm and I am 6ft and it feels perfect.
    I run 780 bars and I live in Oregon. No shortage of trees here. I have maybe scraped a tree twice. As with anything it is all about trade offs. Better control with the wide bars? I can live with a scuff here and there. Same with low BB's. Trading better handling for some scuffed up pedals. Good trade IMOP.

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    I had to put the flipchips in HIGH position due to the excesive slack angle of the direction with the lyrik 170mm... itīs brutal in very steep areas but sometimes you must go fast to no loose speed in flat rocky sections...

    So right now.. Iīm running 74š seat degrees and 65,5% direction degrees...

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    I run 780 bars and I live in Oregon. No shortage of trees here. I have maybe scraped a tree twice. As with anything it is all about trade offs. Better control with the wide bars? I can live with a scuff here and there. Same with low BB's. Trading better handling for some scuffed up pedals. Good trade IMOP.
    No shortage of trees near munich either. On my current bike i use a 740mm which is great but i want to try a syntace bar with 780mm on the rune; i'm 6'3" and have long arms...if the 780mm is to wide...cut

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    Less talk. More pics!

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    Hmmmm ... more patience ... ???
    Seems that everyone is waiting for their Frames. Iīm sure tons of Pics will follow in a few weeks.

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    Anyone know what kind of shimano front derailleur is required? I received info that it was a direct mount E/type but when I called Shimano they said it had to either be a direct mount "or" an etype and it could not be both. I am a little confused on what to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Anyone know what kind of shimano front derailleur is required? I received info that it was a direct mount E/type but when I called Shimano they said it had to either be a direct mount "or" an etype and it could not be both. I am a little confused on what to buy.
    E-type is what the Rune V2 uses. Shimano direct mount attaches to a frame mount above the crankset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy View Post
    E-type is what the Rune V2 uses. Shimano direct mount attaches to a frame mount above the crankset.
    I am still a little confused because this was the exact wording that I received from Banshee when I wrote the site.

    "The Rune V2 takes a low bottom pull direct mount front derailleur. If you're ordering a Sram front derailleur you'll need an S3, Shimano call theres an E-tipe.
    "

    It quotes that it is low bottom pull direct mount but then later says E-type. Do you have your bike to actually look at it and confim it is E-type? I do not want to be ordering the wrong derailluer and as no shops around here have seen one yet they can not confirm what type it is either.

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    The Shimano front derailleur we recommend is the FDM-985-E2
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The Shimano front derailleur we recommend is the FDM-985-E2
    Problem with that is it will only work with a 10 speed. I am using a 9 speed RD. According to Shimano Canada that will not be compatible.

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    I figured it out, the Shimano XT M770 Etype will work it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Problem with that is it will only work with a 10 speed. I am using a 9 speed RD. According to Shimano Canada that will not be compatible.
    It is going to work just fine. Shimano just covers their behind.

    Anyhow - i am almost sure that if there are no known clearance issues ( Keith? ) then any e-type front mech with removed base plate will work just fine. Just like it is so with Spesh DMD mount.

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    The M770 will have clearance issues, we only recommend the M985E and M985E2 currently. when we eventually get samples from shimano we will be testing other options.

    All SRAM S3 offering work with good clearance.
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    These two Front-Derailleurs should work, as the E-Type (without Plate) fits the S3-Standard:

    Shimano XTR FD M985-E2
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    Gonna have to start a seperate photo thread. thats alot of reading to only see a handlefull of builds. Love the new design but not ready to build one yet. Just want to drool till I am ready.
    I just want to ride.

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    Itīs complex to create a photo build threat only with 1 or 2 bikes around... This post need time... probably in a few weeks... the vision should change a little bit

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    @ juan pablo
    As Adriano has mentioned: This Thread needs Time and Patience at the moment. Several Photo-Threads for one Type of Bike is not really usefull, I think. The first Batches are on their way to the Customers, so this one will get a lot more Traffic and Posts in a short Time.

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    i can post photos of my frame ... i havent build my bike since i cant ride for 2 more months

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    These two Front-Derailleurs should work, as the E-Type (without Plate) fits the S3-Standard:

    Shimano XTR FD M985-E2
    Shimano XT FD M785-E2

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    The problem is the only one that I have found that is a 3x9 that works is the M770 which Kieth just said will have clearance issues. All of the ones everyone else is posting are 2x10 and I do not want to sell the new cranks, chain rings and rear casette I just bought to try to switch over to a 2x10 system.

    Anyone able to post a SRAM S3 3x9 system that would work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uzurpator View Post
    It is going to work just fine. Shimano just covers their behind.

    Anyhow - i am almost sure that if there are no known clearance issues ( Keith? ) then any e-type front mech with removed base plate will work just fine. Just like it is so with Spesh DMD mount.
    So do you think if I bought a SRAM S3 3x10 it would work with my 22/32/bash guard set up with a 9 speed chain and rear derailleur?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    @ juan pablo
    As Adriano has mentioned: This Thread needs Time and Patience at the moment. Several Photo-Threads for one Type of Bike is not really usefull, I think. The first Batches are on their way to the Customers, so this one will get a lot more Traffic and Posts in a short Time.
    UPS tracking shows that my frame will be on my doorstep on Tues. Plan on building it up over next weekend. Stoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    I am still a little confused because this was the exact wording that I received from Banshee when I wrote the site.

    "The Rune V2 takes a low bottom pull direct mount front derailleur. If you're ordering a Sram front derailleur you'll need an S3, Shimano call theres an E-tipe.
    "

    It quotes that it is low bottom pull direct mount but then later says E-type. Do you have your bike to actually look at it and confim it is E-type? I do not want to be ordering the wrong derailluer and as no shops around here have seen one yet they can not confirm what type it is either.
    I Order this One for my 9 Speed (22/36/bash). It it for 10 Speed, But i Hope it is the right:

    Sram X0 Umwerfer S3 Montage Bottum Pull 2 fach 36-22 Z - TNC Hamburg

    The Information for 9 Speed from Banshee is insufficient!

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    All SRAM S3 2x10 and 3x10 FD's fit. A I mentioned before, we recommend SRAM front derailleurs in general, as they offer more clearance all around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    All SRAM S3 2x10 and 3x10 FD's fit. A I mentioned before, we recommend SRAM front derailleurs in general, as they offer more clearance all around.

    I understand they fit, you have said that several times,. What I am looking for is info on if they will work with a 9 speed cassette, you have not confirmed that at all. SO I will try my question again, Kieth can I use aSRAM S3 3x10 fd with a 9 speed rear derailleur and 9 speed chain?
    Last edited by Mishtar; 11-25-2012 at 12:40 PM.

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    Yes you can They will happily work with 9speed chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uzurpator View Post
    Yes you can They will happily work with 9speed chain.
    and this one:

    Shimano SLX Umwerfer FD-M665 E-Type 2x9 fach - TNC Hamburg

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    From what I gathered around, it won't due to clearance issues. Which is kind of a bummer since Shimano e-type deraileurs allow abit of wiggle room regarding the position of the cage, unlike sram S3 offerings.

    EDIT: Which makes me inquire.

    What is the clearance issue with shimano rear mechs? Is it the cage resting on the upper suspension link or hitting the rear triangle when on a granny?

    I guess that in the second case ( hitting on the rear triangle ) one can use 150mm dropouts to resolve the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The M770 will have clearance issues, we only recommend the M985E and M985E2 currently. when we eventually get samples from shimano we will be testing other options.

    All SRAM S3 offering work with good clearance.
    Hello Keith,

    I have a Shimano FD-M675E2 on my Rune V2. There is no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post


    I understand they fit, you have said that several times,. What I am looking for is info on if they will work with a 9 speed cassette, you have not confirmed that at all. SO I will try my question again, Kieth can I use aSRAM S3 3x10 fd with a 9 speed rear derailleur and 9 speed chain?
    Common sense man, it isn't a Banshee specific question if the 2x9 and 2x10 front derailleurs are compatible, and so that you know, they are.

    Don't go mental on this, but Keith had already answered your questions a few post before, you should have done your research better.

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    Internet makes me feel like some people just want everything handled on a plate on their front. Don't be an idiot and demand answers. Search a bit before posting, you might avoid looking bad... It is not my duty to help every dumb-@ss who can't even use google, and while I am cooperative and help out, I can't understand the unneeded aggressive attitude some folks have behind a screen. FFS, check google 1st page, and then ask, not exactly rocket science to use google. And please, no dumb smiles or signs of frustration when it's you not getting the point, due to your slackness and lack of research
    Rant Over

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    We went through this last year with the KS-link Prime prototypes. Seems like new component "standards" (front derailuer and others) are being released with almost no coordination or clear documentation to help bike manufacturers, consumers or mechanics.

    There at least 4 different mounting standards now, plus bottom pull and top pull, and different models for 2x and 3x, with different chainring size ranges for each. Way too many options! Although I prefer 1x, I did try several front derailuers on my KS-link Prime, and the 2x specific SRAM S3 had the most chainstay clearance and fit the best. I also found that E13 chainguides worked fine, and MRP's didn't clear the lower KS link (also had very poor documentation). The KS link Rune may be different.

    Front derailuers suck- even when they work, they cut into your tire clearance and create potential chainsuck issues. So much simpler to run 1x, with a small single front ring and a wide range cassette. Funny that SRAM is pursuing this, after riders have been doing it DIY style for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G_g View Post
    Common sense man, it isn't a Banshee specific question if the 2x9 and 2x10 front derailleurs are compatible, and so that you know, they are.

    Don't go mental on this, but Keith had already answered your questions a few post before, you should have done your research better.

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    Internet makes me feel like some people just want everything handled on a plate on their front. Don't be an idiot and demand answers. Search a bit before posting, you might avoid looking bad... It is not my duty to help every dumb-@ss who can't even use google, and while I am cooperative and help out, I can't understand the unneeded aggressive attitude some folks have behind a screen. FFS, check google 1st page, and then ask, not exactly rocket science to use google. And please, no dumb smiles or signs of frustration when it's you not getting the point, due to your slackness and lack of research
    Rant Over
    Seriously you're going to try to say I did not do my research? I spent 10 plus hours on google and talking to my local shop and emailing banshee. Kieth did not answer my question above, as well the person at banshee who responded to my email recommended the exact derailleur kieth said will not work. After 3 days of trying to get a answer to what derailleur will work with a 3x9 set up with 2 rings I still have not had kieth or anyone from banshee say yes these 3x10 derailleur's we recommend will work with a 3x9 crank set and derailleur.

    I get the ones that kieth recommend will work for the rune, but show me where he said they will work with what I stated I have which once again for the record is a 3x9 system set up with a bash guard vice a large ring. From my google research I am reading that the chain being a 9 speed vice a 10 speed may not work with a 3x10 derailluer. Since it is a 22/32 chain ring set up 2x10 systems will not work from my research as the 22 is to low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    10 plus hours on google and talking to my local shop and emailing banshee..
    Nobody knows, now that there are 400+ part numbers to test for compatibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Nobody knows, now that there are 400+ part numbers to test for compatibility.

    +1 to that.

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