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    Too much text, not enough pix!

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    Perfectly explained!

    I am so Looking forward to building and riding my new Rune!

    Workscomponents ran a whole batch of 1.5deg zs44/zs56 headsets for 1 1/8" steerers when I asked for IT (tapered and 1.5deg is only possible with an upper external cup). Just drop them a line if you need one. They should have them on Stock.

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    my smartphone is Messing with case-sensitivity.... Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    That looks correct is correct if running a tapered fork. Can I ask what you intend to use the angle set for and what for you will be running?
    Grazetourer's idea sounds tempting.
    Builttoride, Anything to consider from the bike design side that you would advise against the idea?

    I'll be building the bike on the burly side for gravity enduro racing with 650b, I'm used to 63.5ish on the DH, and 65 stock on the rune does not phase me for climbing/trail stuff.

    I'm tempted to run offset cups and leave the dropout in slackest setting for the DH style days...

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    @ptd
    I am pretty sure that slackening the HA will have no negative influence on the performance of the bike, especially if you're already used to very slack HAs. Go for it!

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    @ptd
    The question is, wether the RUNE is that kind of bike you should ride with that slack angle.
    From my experience, the wheelbase grows 1,25cm with every degree. So riding with another -2 degrees adds 2,5cm to the lenght, resulting in over 1205mm wheelbase. Much too long for my taste.
    I prefer 1700-1800mm. But yours will surely be planted on the downhills like an oil tanker and the turn radius of a truck when it comes to slower sections....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    (...)and the turn radius of a truck when it comes to slower sections....
    The short chainstays should avoid that... (for sure the bike will be a little bit less agile, but depending on what you want to do with the bike it's no big deal).

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    as same with dh, slack angle would be not too much if one rides fast enough

    yaw mode

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    today I tried the rune on an alpine tour... @ grazertourer: veitsch, sooo herrlich...

    I am really starting to dig the new Rune V2... it is really really working great on tech stuff...I had it in the middle setting with 170mm, and this seems to be an ace setup... slack enough for what I am able to ride, and once the trail opens up, it is really in its element...
    bb-height seems to be spot on for the rooty, rocky trails...

    turning circle is not my problem... first, it is not unusually big, and second, we use driving techniques for switchbacks like pivoting around the front wheel, and for this, wheelsbase is not really important...

    guys dont talk about couple of mm in theory, just go out and ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcolmX View Post
    today I tried the rune on an alpine tour... @ grazertourer: veitsch, sooo herrlich...

    I am really starting to dig the new Rune V2... it is really really working great on tech stuff...I had it in the middle setting with 170mm, and this seems to be an ace setup... slack enough for what I am able to ride, and once the trail opens up, it is really in its element...
    bb-height seems to be spot on for the rooty, rocky trails...

    turning circle is not my problem... first, it is not unusually big, and second, we use driving techniques for switchbacks like pivoting around the front wheel, and for this, wheelsbase is not really important...

    guys dont talk about couple of mm in theory, just go out and ride


    Not long ago I tried a rival to the RUNE in L and XL. The L was a little short in REACH, the XL was spot on. BUT the XL had -1 angle set and therefore 1200mm wheelbase while the L had standard 1170mm. The difference was enormous, when riding slower, technical stuff. I did not like it very much. We are not talking about mm but 3 cm, and sometimes they count!!

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    Aaaaaaaah, I am feeling a little jealous right now. I caught a cold on my last ride, so I've been sitting in front of the TV the whole week end.


    Enjoy it, Max!

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    "pivoting around the front wheel"

    That reminds me of what someone said when I did the whole enchilada last year. "he just turned his bike on the front wheel! It looked so easy! I'venever seen such sick ridin' before!"
    Okay, enough...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    ... From my experience, the wheelbase grows 1,25cm with every degree. So riding with another -2 degrees adds 2,5cm to the lenght ...
    That numbers are definitely wrong! Of course it depends on the A-2-C of the Fork. With Forks like 160er Lyriks and Foxes the Wheelbase gets longer around 3-4 mm per half Degree. It might be around 4-5 mm with 170er Forks. On my Wildcard with 160er Lyrik and -1,5 Deg Angleset the Wheelbase got lengthened to 12 mm. Just for the record ...

    Quote Originally Posted by MalcolmX View Post
    ... guys dont talk about couple of mm in theory, just go out and ride
    Aiiiight

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    That numbers are definitely wrong! Of course it depends on the A-2-C of the Fork. With Forks like 160er Lyriks and Foxes the Wheelbase gets longer around 3-4 mm per half Degree. It might be around 4-5 mm with 170er Forks. On my Wildcard with 160er Lyrik and -1,5 Deg Angleset the Wheelbase got lengthened to 12 mm. Just for the record ...


    Aiiiight
    Maybe I am wrong, but I measured that fact with an CAD program. Donīt know how you get to your numbers....?? In my case there are already 3-4mm difference on top of the HT from the middle position to the angled position. IMHO that must be a lot more down the whole fork and the wheel....

    But thatīs just theory. If it is OK for you - enjoy the ride....just wanted to mention that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    ... Donīt know how you get to your numbers....?? ...
    Real-world-measurements my friend.
    Wildcard Size M with and Lyrik has 1135 mm Wheelbase, which is inline with the Banshee-Geo-Charts. With -1,5 Deg the Wheelbase is now 1148 (+13 mm), which is inline with the Info I got from Rick from Works-Components.
    You run an CC Angleset, which has, as far as I know, a centric lower Cup and an excentric upper Cup, so that might affect numbers a bit more, especially ETT and Wheelbase. The Works are excentric on both Cups which levels the Steerer through the Headtube ...

    @ Atala: This Built will end up as sexy as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Real-world-measurements my friend.
    Wildcard Size M with and Lyrik has 1135 mm Wheelbase, which is inline with the Banshee-Geo-Charts. With -1,5 Deg the Wheelbase is now 1148 (+13 mm), which is inline with the Info I got from Rick from Works-Components.
    You run an CC Angleset, which has, as far as I know, a centric lower Cup and an excentric upper Cup, so that might affect numbers a bit more, especially ETT and Wheelbase. The Works are excentric on both Cups which levels the Steerer through the Headtube ...

    @ Atala: This Built will end up as sexy as possible
    on my V1 Rune, the wheelbase grew around 14mm with -1.5° angleset... that matches with what you are saying...and the steepest setup shortens the wheelbase anyways...

    @ GT: I was punished for the tour today: cought a cold, and could not go to work, for the first time ever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcolmX View Post
    on my V1 Rune, the wheelbase grew around 14mm with -1.5° angleset... that matches with what you are saying...and the steepest setup shortens the wheelbase anyways...
    Oh well, usually I donīt do Gramm-counting or haggle with 0,x Deg Headangles or CS-Millimeters, as almost everything will be newly defined and experienced with the new Ride.
    Except Seattube-Length: It has to be 43 cm as the longest

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    Rune v2

    Hola Adrian your bike looks amazing, I have my new rune v2 frame sitting behind desk at home for 3 weeks now, I had a hard fall a couple of weeks before I got it, and I have to wait till mid february to be able to ride again ... i cant wait!
    Anyway my frame looks amazing as it is now, but watching this one already built it looks way cooler!!!

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    Here is mine :


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    Quote Originally Posted by CALULO View Post
    Hola Adrian your bike looks amazing, I have my new rune v2 frame sitting behind desk at home for 3 weeks now, I had a hard fall a couple of weeks before I got it, and I have to wait till mid february to be able to ride again ... i cant wait!
    Anyway my frame looks amazing as it is now, but watching this one already built it looks way cooler!!!
    Thanks for this words CALULO. Iīm very proud of my bike.. itīs a weapon

    Hope to see yours soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Oh well, usually I donīt do Gramm-counting or haggle with 0,x Deg Headangles or CS-Millimeters, as almost everything will be newly defined and experienced with the new Ride.
    Except Seattube-Length: It has to be 43 cm as the longest
    I do not want to decrease your fun, but I also do not want to be prooved as a fool so fast.
    Take this formula for triangles. You were given two sides and three angles.
    The lenght of b is what has to be calculated.

    I am not the best in math, but when I am not wrong, than the result of -1 degree is exact 1,52 cm.

    b = a * sin(β) / sin(α)

    b=79*sin(24)/sin(66)
    b=79*0,406/0,9135
    b=35

    b=79*sin(23)/sin(67)
    b=79*0,390/0,920
    b=33,48


    Now go out and have fun riding your bikes....

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    Banshee Final Review

    Itīs time to prepare an extensive review about how the Rune v2 performs in the trails and in general in Enduro Routes. Point out that this review is based on my personal opinion (so probably a little bit subjective) and regarding the trails where I use to ride (Rocky trails with some steep sections... typically European Enduro ) may differ to the other opinions.

    Geometry

    The geometry of this bike shows how the market is developing a “new” standart in the word of Enduro bikes. Steep seat angles, really aggressive direction angles, long wheelbases, low bottom brackets and many more things like these are going to be a standard in not much time for sure. Itīs such a mini dh bikes with pedal efficiency and light weight…
    Talking about this bike, I will explain my feelings with the L size of the Rune highlighting the main points.

    Seat angle  From 73 to 74 degrees the pedal position itīs just perfect, the other enduro bikes right now are building up with 72-71,š degrees and itīs not enough. The good thing of having this kind of angle itīs when the things getting steep… really steep… this position inside the bike provides you a good situation to force the pedaling without losing traction in the front wheel. So in this part, the Rune itīs really well made.

    Direction angle  65 to 66 with 160mm fork and even more with 170mm fork. This feature simply kills the other bikes in this aspect. The way you can affront the hard sections and steeped areas is such a easy thing that you can barely believe it… ( In general… ) So 10 over 10 to banshee to be able to provide ours to adjust the geometry depending on our aim

    Wheelbase  Wheelbase is well know by most of us. A bigger wheelbase a more stable bike… but.. in this case, itīs the right measure… not to long but not to short… just exactly what this bikes requires . 1180mm in the Large size ensure a good trip when itīs time to go down and at the same time itīs not excessive at the time itīs the moment to get corners or rocky tricky sections… for example, liteville 901 have 1.200 wheelbase in Size Large, too much for an endure bike… this wheelbase itīs right .

    Flipchips  this option itīs great to change the bike performance depending the are are you going to ride… Bikepark  LOW // Routes  Neutral or High, depending of your fork length … but IMO HIGH position for 170mm forks in the front and NEUTRAL position for 160mm forks.

    Reach and Stack  For me itīs good enough… specially the stack… you can feel going inside the bike and go relax in the downhill’s due to the good reach and low stack.
    chainstay  itīs good, 426mm ensure you a easy bike to move around the narrow trails and the bike feels easy to manage and move in difficult situations

    Thereīre more variables but the critical I think are these actually.


    Climbing Up

    When itīs time to climb to the summit of a mountain, the seat angle and the pedal efficiency are at least, fundamental to achieve our objective. In this area, this bike simply rocks… itīs outstanding… regarding itīs a enduro bike, the pedal efficiency in this bike itīs the best, probably this is the main point of this bike and this feature explains all about the Rune. With an antisquat above 100% and good pedal kickback (13,5) I can ensure thatīs this Rune pedals like any other bike in this segment (only the Norco Range is similar).

    About the pedal kickback itīs mandatory to know thatīs itīs low taking in account the efficiency of this system. Always a high pedal efficiency systems brings a high pedal kickback.. (the ibis mojo hd pedals a little bit worse that this bike and the pedal kickb itīs 14-14,5 so itīs higher than the Rune)

    So the good geometry plus the pedal efficiency transforms this bike in a real climber.

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    The downhill part it will be longer so I will post it tomorrow

    Hope you liked it!

    pd: Some photos...
    pd: Iīve recently change the tires... Ibex onza dh 2.40 freeride version and High Roller 2 Exo protection.. Simply perfect!

    Banshee Rune V2 Build Thread-rune.jpg
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    And this is what will the bike look when I get the correct spring in Lbs for my weight... KILLER!!!!

    Banshee Rune V2 Build Thread-img-20121114-wa0000.jpg
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    Very nice bike. This is how mine would look like, except I would like to have a black fork on it.
    Not many black ones around? Maybe because of the white rallye-stripes??

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    @ kalkhoffpink
    Haha, Iīm for sure no one to proove you as a fool ...
    Ok, the Wildcard has a Wheelbase of 1164 mm with 545 A2C-Fork in Size L. Now take a proper Measurement with your -1 Deg CC-Angleset - do you have a WB of 1176,5 mm?
    If so than the olī spicy Trail-Shreddy is a fool ...

    @ AdrianoMTB
    Nice writeup
    And yes, High Roller 2 Exo Protection is a great Tire, same as the Onza Ibex, which I have in 2.35 FR.

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    Ok after looking for the last 4 days I am ready to pull my F@#King hair out....can someone please actually just post up a link for a site that has the correct Cane Creak Head set in stock. I see tons with the race crown being 30 but none that have the race crown at 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Ok after looking for the last 4 days I am ready to pull my F@#King hair out....can someone please actually just post up a link for a site that has the correct Cane Creak Head set in stock. I see tons with the race crown being 30 but none that have the race crown at 40.
    Buy Bike Zero Stack - Tops - Bottoms and more at Bike Shop Liquidators

    You need the bottom (3rd from left in top row), and any of the ZS44 tops listed below it.

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    Ok maybe this was my problem, I was looking for a complete headset but I need to buy each part seperately, I did not know this.

    Thank you.

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    AdrianoMTB:

    Good review. I am going to buy a Rune, but I am not sure, if I should choose L or XL. What is your height and inseam?

    Thanks

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    Great review! You are writing that the Rune is a great climber even though you are using a 170mm. Does that mean in your opinion you don't have to use a fork you can travel? I'm asking cause i wanted to install a 180mm fox talas but after your review i think about saving lots of pennies if i go for the lyric too...what do you think?

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    Hi Pedro,

    I ordered the same frame and have the same fork.
    Could you say me how the vipīr shock is in comparison to the fox float ctd?
    And how much is the weight of your nice bike?

    Cheers!

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    I always thought climbing on an enduro without TA fork is a cliché, but with the V2 rune, it really works great!

    I would go for a fixed 170mm Fork anytime (mine is an old lyrik u-turn, but I stopped using the travel-down function on the V2...)
    it climbs as well with full travel fork, as the V1 Rune with fork traveled down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcolmX View Post
    I always thought climbing on an enduro without TA fork is a cliché, but with the V2 rune, it really works great!

    I would go for a fixed 170mm Fork anytime (mine is an old lyrik u-turn, but I stopped using the travel-down function on the V2...)
    it climbs as well with full travel fork, as the V1 Rune with fork traveled down.

    Good to know Malcom! My 170mm Deville also doesnīt have a travel-down function.
    Now I can be more relaxed

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianoMTB View Post
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    Direction angle  65 to 66 with 160mm fork and even more with 170mm fork.
    Did you mean 66 to 65deg and even LESS with 170mm fork ?
    Last edited by razorjack; 11-20-2012 at 02:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    @ kalkhoffpink
    Haha, Iīm for sure no one to proove you as a fool ...
    Ok, the Wildcard has a Wheelbase of 1164 mm with 545 A2C-Fork in Size L. Now take a proper Measurement with your -1 Deg CC-Angleset - do you have a WB of 1176,5 mm?
    If so than the olī spicy Trail-Shreddy is a fool ...

    @ AdrianoMTB
    Nice writeup
    And yes, High Roller 2 Exo Protection is a great Tire, same as the Onza Ibex, which I have in 2.35 FR.

    Well I guess "proper" measurement is the main problem here...
    The formula is clear - where are your doubts?? Sounds too much? However, I will now grab my rig and go outside for a short spontaneous ride around the lake. And no matter what size the wheelbase is, I will have fun with my wildcard at this sunny 43rd Birthday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    @ AdrianoMTB
    Nice writeup
    And yes, High Roller 2 Exo Protection is a great Tire, same as the Onza Ibex, which I have in 2.35 FR.
    Thanks for these words NoStyle... Hope to see at the Mega next 2013?

    Quote Originally Posted by ruckse View Post
    AdrianoMTB:

    Good review. I am going to buy a Rune, but I am not sure, if I should choose L or XL. What is your height and inseam?

    Thanks
    My height and inseam itīs 1,86 mts tall and 89cm inseam. In my case with the 40mm stem and a reverb... I feel perfectly positioned into the bike.



    Quote Originally Posted by trailinger View Post
    @adrianomtb
    Great review! You are writing that the Rune is a great climber even though you are using a 170mm. Does that mean in your opinion you don't have to use a fork you can travel? I'm asking cause i wanted to install a 180mm fox talas but after your review i think about saving lots of pennies if i go for the lyric too...what do you think?
    IMO with this bike itīs not necesary to use forks with travel change BUT... for example, using a fox 180mm needs change the flipchips of the rear, in my case with 170mm fork and 65š degrees I think itīs too slack in fact... so with 180mm itīs very important to change the flipchips to the HIGH position.

    So from my perspective avoid the the talas purchase... and go to a fox van 180mm if you want a brutal enduro bike or to my lyrik... itīs really good and stiff enough... Iīm running 170mm coil fork!

    Quote Originally Posted by razorjack View Post
    Did you mean 66 to 65deg and even LESS with 170mm fork ?
    Exactly... you know what I meant.... itīs even LESS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianoMTB View Post
    Thanks for these words NoStyle... Hope to see at the Mega next 2013?
    Woah yes, that would be great!
    Maybe we all should organize a Banshee-Rider-Family-Meeting for one of those Races next Year. And hopefully Keith, Jay, Jon and all the other good Guys at Banshee would have the possibility to join us, too. That would be awesome - imagine dozens of Rune-, Spitfire- or Prime-Riders banging down the Trails and sharing the good Times together

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Woah yes, that would be great!
    Maybe we all should organize a Banshee-Rider-Family-Meeting for one of those Races next Year. And hopefully Keith, Jay, Jon and all the other good Guys at Banshee would have the possibility to join us, too. That would be awesome - imagine dozens of Rune-, Spitfire- or Prime-Riders banging down the Trails and sharing the good Times together
    For me, next year will probably be Bikeattack, Caidom and the Trailmaster... I think it is a great idea

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    I think we have to prepare 2 different meetings... the Canadian/American meeting and the European meeting...

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    Thanks AdrianoMTB. On your pictures, I think the saddle is in the uphill position. It looks quite high, so mine would be higher for some cm. I think for me the XL fits more, but I will see, maybe I have the possibillity to test one Rune. Anybody here near Innsbruck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruckse View Post
    Thanks AdrianoMTB. On your pictures, I think the saddle is in the uphill position. It looks quite high, so mine would be higher for some cm. I think for me the XL fits more, but I will see, maybe I have the possibillity to test one Rune. Anybody here near Innsbruck?
    In my case, with 89cm inseam I think itīs normal get the seatpost too high. Iīve too much inseam for my 1,86cm so regarding the 47cm of top tube itīs normal.. if youīre taller and with more inseam... no doubts.. get an XL

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    Yes I am taller. 190cm and about 92cm inseam. So you also think XL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruckse View Post
    Yes I am taller. 190cm and about 92cm inseam. So you also think XL?
    For sure

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    äh, no?
    I have exactly this size, and the Large fits perfectly with 40-50mm stem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcolmX View Post
    äh, no?
    I have exactly this size, and the Large fits perfectly with 40-50mm stem...
    And I am 180cm and will go for Large.... I love long top tubes....

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    yeah, of course personal taste will be important as well... but @ 190 with 93cm inseam, I have absolutely no doubts that the Large is right for me...

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    pedro, regarding BOS stuffs, do you use needle bearing kit? Im gonna get only one for BOS kit.

    Do you have any idea what kind of needle bearing I do need to get for other end of the shock? in the case Im receiving 170mm deville and vipR

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    Quote Originally Posted by zupaphil View Post
    Hi Pedro,

    I ordered the same frame and have the same fork.
    Could you say me how the vipīr shock is in comparison to the fox float ctd?
    And how much is the weight of your nice bike?

    Cheers!
    Hello zupaphil,
    I haven't tested the bike with the float ctd, but with the vip'r the bike pedal very well. When you go down the bike is stable and have a good grip. The shock is not very sensitive, but it is new.

    The bike weighs 15kg200, I'd like to lose 400 to 500g by changing some parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomasis View Post
    pedro, regarding BOS stuffs, do you use needle bearing kit? Im gonna get only one for BOS kit.

    Do you have any idea what kind of needle bearing I do need to get for other end of the shock? in the case Im receiving 170mm deville and vipR
    I don't have needle bearing on my shock. It's maybe a good idea if you want a very sensitive shock. If you buy your suspensions to BOS you only have to says it's for a Rune v2 and they will give you the good bearing sizes (40x8mm shaft end and 25,4x8mm reservoir end)

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    Hey all, first post here!

    I am currently putting together a kit of parts for a Rune V2 which I will hopefully have in the not too distance future!

    I have worked out almost everything (mainly thanks to this thread) but just want to be certain on the front mech.

    Is it bottom pull? I have found that its spec 3 direct mount, but just wasnt 100% on top or bottom pull?

    (had a link but cant post it!)

    Enjoyed reading this thread. More pics would be good!

    Thanks
    Pete

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    yes, it is... the cable comes from underneath the BB...

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