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    Hi, did any of you have purchased using the Banshee update program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    Holy Crap You're anal! Ill have mine in a week or so. If you're nice ill let you sit on it.

    Wait...that didn't come out right.
    In the end it's all about the fit and feel of the frame, no matter how good the bike is. I haven't bought a frame without riding it first in well over 6 yrs and Danshee said he is happy to take measurements, so I am hitting him up. That would be sweet to hop on yours once you get it. I am just antsty to get an order in and torn between sizes for the first time on a bike.
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    Hey JGusta, 45.2cm from mid bars to tip of seat.

    I hope this helps.

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    This whole thread is a good example why desktop mountainbiking can make you go crazy now and then. ...
    There is another bike I have in mind as a rival to the RUNE. It has 20mm more ETT but only 8mm more REACH than the RUNE. How is this possible when both bikes are measured with 160mm forks and do not differ too much in HT length? I cannot believe that -1degree in head angle could make for 12mm in lenght!? And reach has nothing to do with the seat angle - so what the fu**
    In my opinion there MUST be differences in how companys do their measurements. And thatīs one reason why we insist in measuring it all again with the help of the new owners....

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    Reach has nothing to do with seat angle, but ETT does, it sounds like the other bike must have a slacker seat angle if conventional measurement techniques are used. Oh and if using conventional meaurements then head angle has no affect on either reach or ETT as they are both measured from the same point at top dead center of the head tube..
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Reach has nothing to do with seat angle, but ETT does, it sounds like the other bike must have a slacker seat angle if conventional measurement techniques are used. Oh and if using conventional meaurements then head angle has no affect on either reach or ETT as they are both measured from the same point at top dead center of the head tube..
    Thanks master you finally did it. I understand now...
    The seat angle differs in 1 degree. It is 73 instead of 74 and measured with my CAD program that is indeed enough for at least +10mm in ETT when based on aprox. 600mm virtual seattube lenght. Bingo! Shi* that was easy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    In the end it's all about the fit and feel of the frame, no matter how good the bike is. I haven't bought a frame without riding it first in well over 6 yrs and Danshee said he is happy to take measurements, so I am hitting him up. That would be sweet to hop on yours once you get it. I am just antsty to get an order in and torn between sizes for the first time on a bike.
    I know. Just giving you some ****.

    Personally the large V1 always felt a little short with a 50mm stem. I tried it with a 60 and didn't like it. I think the large V2 is going to be perfect for me. At my measurements I have never been a tweener for bike frames. And I have been riding MTB's since the mid 80's (though in the 80's I was about 4 feet tall). Larges have always worked for me. Looking at the geo for the large V2 it looks as though I am getting a bike that is playful and will feel straight up planted. I like the shorter stays as well (The V1 never manueled that great).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danshee View Post
    Hey JGusta, 45.2cm from mid bars to tip of seat.

    I hope this helps.
    Sweet, thanks Danshee!

    Did you measure this with saddle in your lowest or most preferred descending position as this is quite similar to my current bike at 17.75" with my post in most commonly used lowest trail descent position (about 3.75" up from seat clamp, but my seat tube is >1" longer than V2 in same size).

    Thanks again man, you rule. Hope to hear of some new ride reports and pics in future!
    Ride On!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Sweet, thanks Danshee!

    Did you measure this with saddle in your lowest or most preferred descending position as this is quite similar to my current bike at 17.75" with my post in most commonly used lowest trail descent position (about 3.75" up from seat clamp, but my seat tube is >1" longer than V2 in same size).

    Thanks again man, you rule. Hope to hear of some new ride reports and pics in future!
    No worries man, I measured it with the seat in my descending position.

    It's almost the weekend so I'll be out riding for most of it, I'm seriously itching to get out and ride because I've not been able to all week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danshee View Post
    No worries man, I measured it with the seat in my descending position.

    It's almost the weekend so I'll be out riding for most of it, I'm seriously itching to get out and ride because I've not been able to all week.
    Could you measure it also at the highest riding position...?

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    Arrghhh. Would you like my shoe size as well?

    Just messing, I'll do it tonight.

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    i have never been ridn a rune, or a banshee bike.

    but i really like the support of the banshee guys, and the fact that the rune v2 has a xl frame!

    of course, i looked at the geometrie of the rune and it supposes a lot
    i think, get your ass on the bike, and it will tell you to stay or move on

    so i am really looking forward buildn up the bike, but i have 2 wait untill january, when the xl frames are here ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmh View Post
    Could you measure it also at the highest riding position...?
    With the Reverb fully extended it's 49.5cm from tip of saddle to mid bars.

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    no more talk, guys, this is supposed to be a gallery...


    I'm out for playing a bit... (sucks that it is already totally dark right now in Vienna...)

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    Yeah!

    Looks great, are you going to be riding it this weekend? I wanna know what you think.

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    you can bet I will...

    first impressions are.... well... impressive?
    sick ride...

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    Malcolm, What size is the frame?, Have you weighed it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danshee View Post
    With the Reverb fully extended it's 49.5cm from tip of saddle to mid bars.
    Nice! Medium it is as those are both my ideal reach/saddle to bar length measurement for both climbing and descending with post raised and lowered. Sounds I can finally place my order now without anymore questions, thanks!
    Ride On!

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    it is a large... and with the ctd shock and dropouts, it is arround 3,7kg, depending on wheter it is the standard dropouts, or the 142x12mm dropouts...

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    Thanks, We are still waiting for the weight, size medium

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    By the way, very nice Malcolm. Congrats.

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    it has alll the parts coming off my old rune... the seatpost is just for my workstand... actually i am using a kindshock supernatural telescopic post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalcolmX View Post
    ... actually i am using a kindshock supernatural telescopic post...
    Hope it doesn't crap out on ya as my KS Supernatural 150 has many a times now. That post sends me back to a standard post everytime and I only run dropper post if I absolutely have to as terrain dictates. Actually stoked I was able to do an Enduro race the other month without one and still placed 1st in my CAT. Straight up to mostly straight down rides, I don't bother with one. Waste of a product and weight, IMO as my KS is almost actually 1 lb heavier than my standard Thomson.

    Enjoy the ride, looks rad!
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    yeah i know the issues... mine has been without troubles so far... 150mm version it is as well...

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    Looks awesome MalcomX!

    Where did you guys find the 150mm Levs?

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    Great ride!

    Btw: What is your height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Looks awesome MalcomX!

    Where did you guys find the 150mm Levs?
    same tought!

    here in germany no one got them on stock ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Nice! Medium it is as those are both my ideal reach/saddle to bar length measurement for both climbing and descending with post raised and lowered. Sounds I can finally place my order now without anymore questions, thanks!
    Hey jgusta, what Iīve already said
    Great that you have found the right Sizing now - thanks to Danshee!

    Malcolm, congrats man! Hope to read some Riding-Impressions here and on the german IBC-news-you-know-where-Forum.

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    when are the ano blacks and the colored Runes gonna start showing up on here?

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    so, I had a very small initial ride today...
    I want to ride again tomorrow to give a whole review...

    first impressions: this thing loves the air! and to play! despite the long wheelbase...

    second impreesion: steep climbing, partly out of saddle, works just great... front not too light, always enough traction, balanced as it should be...

    forgive me that I can't comment too much on cornering, since my back tyre was leaking air, and there where tons of leaves out there... frankly, I could hardly get enough feedback to say something.

    today I tried the middle position, but I will go for the slack setting probably...

    the Fox CTD seems pretty decent, progression is maybe too little... I will experiment with a small plastic ring in the outer air chamber...
    the back end seems to be eating rocks and roots, and it is smooooooth...

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    Hey MalcomX, good to hear your thoughts on it.

    I've been out for a ride today, a trail I know really well which has a lot of variation in it so it's a good place to test stuff out. I took all headset spacers out from between the stem and headset too.

    It handles differently to previous versions, the extra weight over the front wheel felt a bit weird at first but it's really well balanced, it's much better uphill than the old Runes, I didn't have any problems keeping the front down today even on steep sections. Riding up over rocks felt great, the suspension just eats them up. Pedalling uphill sat down, it doesn't feel as though the bike has a 55.5 degree head angle and I didn't notice any pedal kickback at all.

    Slamming the seat down and hanging off the back it feels like a different bike, the back end has got that solid and planted feel of a downhill bike. Carving it through loam and over roots was awesome fun, the rear tracks really well over stuff.

    The weird thing is that I didn't find it as playful as the previous Runes although I think it's a much better bike all round, it feels like it's a bit more serious if that makes sense? It's definitely not a V1 with bearings.

    Going to try it in the slackest setting tomorrow.


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    What you both describe is the main thing I was worried about with the RUNE and the KS-Link. That it is more of a DH bike than of a trail bike. You call it smooth, solid and planted. That makes sense in a way, because with the Spitfire there is a capable trail bike in the lineup. Besides that I would have liked to see a direct and playful suspension coming with the RUNE too. Personally I like more direct feedback from the ground rather than just rolling over everything.
    Maybe MalcomX will give some more feedback after his next ride.

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    That's interesting Danshee. I figured with the short Chainstays the v2 would be super easy to pop the front end. I thought the v1 was a rather neutral bike for playfulness, especially compared to a wildcard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    What you both describe is the main thing I was worried about with the RUNE and the KS-Link. That it is more of a DH bike than of a trail bike. You call it smooth, solid and planted. That makes sense in a way, because with the Spitfire there is a capable trail bike in the lineup. Besides that I would have liked to see a direct and playful suspension coming with the RUNE too. Personally I like more direct feedback from the ground rather than just rolling over everything.
    Maybe MalcomX will give some more feedback after his next ride.
    I probably didn't explain myself very well, it's not more of a downhill bike.

    I think it's a much better AM/enduro bike than the v1 because its pedals so much better. When I rode through big downhill rock gardens, the rear end tracked really well over the rocks, throwing it into loamy corners the back felt very laterally stiff and this reminded me of how downhill bikes ride. That was with the CTD shock set to D too.

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    after 3 weeks of use.... I think I can write a properly review of this bike.... but in balance... this bike is awesome and intended to a very aggressive use.... If the idea is to do enduro light or trail... go to the spitfire... this bike is fast... very fast...

    Preparing review for tomorrow..

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    I had the same impression... it seems to be even "more" bike than the V1... actually my hometrails can hardly throw anything against it (but, luckily I have my 29" AM-hardtail for that stuff) and I think it will excell in rough, technical alpine riding, which is what I bought it for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianoMTB View Post
    after 3 weeks of use.... I think I can write a properly review of this bike.... but in balance... this bike is awesome and intended to a very aggressive use.... If the idea is to do enduro light or trail... go to the spitfire... this bike is fast... very fast...

    Preparing review for tomorrow..
    Just asking myself why a fast bike should be bad for Enduro light or trail riding????

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    Just got back from a day riding easy lines at some freeride and downhill trails and the bike felt brilliant, it pops off jumps and feels balanced and predictable in the air. I had it in the 55 degree setting today and loved it. I love how it handles through rocks.

    I agree with the above, it'll be awesome for alpine riding. I did the Mountain of Hell in July and I wish I had the V2 then, it'd be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    Just asking myself why a fast bike should be bad for Enduro light or trail riding????
    it is not bad for that kind of riding... just that you will get bored with that kind of trails quickly on the rune V2...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    Just asking myself why a fast bike should be bad for Enduro light or trail riding????
    From my point of view, it not consist on if itīs bad or not for Trail riding... cause for a trail riding every bike is good... even with a hardtail.. but the question here is different...

    Due to the geometry, wheelbase, reach and stack of the bike, trail riding at medium speed feels really boring, why?

    This bike handles really good at high speed and in really steep areas, in some part this bike requires be fast to take advantage of the features of it... I know itīs hard to explain in words but in my case I can explain it with my last bike before have the rune..

    The ibis mojo hd --> I did last year the megavalanche I qualified into the 300 hundred faster riders for the final. With the ibis, I enjoyed the routes and the normal trails of my local area but when I come into racing mode the bikes was very nervous and to be honest I feel the bike was not able to confront hard races like the megavalanche or enduro races in overall, I had to be in very good shape to achieve my objetive so.. in gross words.. the ibis demads 80% physical form and 20% bike.

    With this Rune, Itīs more or less the opposite..

    From my perspective... the conclusion will be...

    "The worst will be the trail.. the easy the bike will do it"

    Exactly the opposite as the other bikes feels... thatīs why I wrote the other phrase... to use in your local trails without going bikeparks or without jumping or without races or really difficult sections... the rune itīs an underutilized bike...

    Keith was right

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    These bikes are designed to be ridden, and ridden hard.

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    Hey guys, I'm really enjoying reading about your Runes, and think it might be my next bike. However can anyone comment on the Runes ability (if built correctly) as a freeride bike. I'm currently riding a Santacruz Driver 8 built with with totems, Vivid air, Havoc wheelset, hammerschimdt ect... to the tune of 37lbs. I looking for a bike that can be pedalled up but still can hold its own on trails with drops, gaps, ladders and steeps. Can this bike been ridden on Whislter style trails along with all mountain enduro trails. Not sure if anyone is familiar with the trails in the Fraser Valley of BC, (Woodlot, Ledgeview, Sumas, Vedder) this is what I have to contend with. Any thoughts, comments would be great.

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    Very nice and good introduction to my next question


    @AdrianoMTB, Danshee, MalcomX

    Here are two videos, that show quite good what I mean with technical stuff.
    I would love to know how the RUNE deals with this kind of riding, because besides trail surfing it is a good part of daily life in the German forests. Of course there are not so many rocks everywhere but trails are often blocked and technical (slow) to ride, so it is comparable to the videos.

    Forget the brand of the bike, just look at the track and only at the positions I mentioned, the rest is too special…


    First 30 Seconds




    Minute 1:00 to 2:30


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBL123 View Post
    Hey guys, I'm really enjoying reading about your Runes, and think it might be my next bike. However can anyone comment on the Runes ability (if built correctly) as a freeride bike. I'm currently riding a Santacruz Driver 8 built with with totems, Vivid air, Havoc wheelset, hammerschimdt ect... to the tune of 37lbs. I looking for a bike that can be pedalled up but still can hold its own on trails with drops, gaps, ladders and steeps. Can this bike been ridden on Whislter style trails along with all mountain enduro trails. Not sure if anyone is familiar with the trails in the Fraser Valley of BC, (Woodlot, Ledgeview, Sumas, Vedder) this is what I have to contend with. Any thoughts, comments would be great.
    I donīt know your local trails but probably the Rune will enjoy that areas... I donīt recommend you the hammer smith for this bike... about your built... itīs ok to do freeride. I think whistler itīs a perfect location for the Rune... no doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by AssPav View Post
    Like this?
    Exactly like that... probably with another different enduro bike this section would be almost impossible.. with the Rune itīs partly easy,,, (The biker here itīs important )

    pd: Thanks for the photo... directly to my desktop

    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    @AssPav

    Very nice and good introduction to my next question


    @AdrianoMTB, Danshee, MalcomX

    Here are two videos, that show quite good what I mean with technical stuff.
    I would love to know how the RUNE deals with this kind of riding, because besides trail surfing it is a good part of daily life in the German forests. Of course there are not so many rocks everywhere but trails are often blocked and technical (slow) to ride, so it is comparable to the videos.

    Forget the brand of the bike, just look at the track and only at the positions I mentioned, the rest is too special…


    First 30 Seconds




    Minute 1:00 to 2:30

    I had a Nicolai few years ago... good bike...

    kalkhoffpink this bike moves better in technical sections... for sure... so donīt be afraid of that kind of trails...

    For me the Rune itīs almost perfect... only we have to take into account how to built this bike properly. The key with this bike itīs to be fast in general... obviously in very steep and technical sections itīs hard to be fast but I want to transfer this message clearly... the fast you go, the better you will approach technical areas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianoMTB View Post
    For me the Rune itīs almost perfect... only we have to take into account how to built this bike properly. The key with this bike itīs to be fast in general... obviously in very steep and technical sections itīs hard to be fast but I want to transfer this message clearly... the fast you go, the better you will approach technical areas...
    I am a bit confused by this response... Are you saying that is NOT good in steep technical sections?

    I am very interested in this bike, but this is my biggest concern. I ride the French/Swiss alps. Trails and steep and technical and riding them fast isn't always an option!

    A lot of alpine trails have extremely rocky, steep & tight switchbacks. It is a challenge just to ride these sections clean at low speed and keep upright. Sections like this rarely have a fast run out, or banked up corner exits. You have to ride and control the bike the whole time under constant braking control.

    You seem to be suggesting that the bike can only handle fast technical riding???

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    Quote Originally Posted by horsey24 View Post
    I am a bit confused by this response... Are you saying that is NOT good in steep technical sections?

    I am very interested in this bike, but this is my biggest concern. I ride the French/Swiss alps. Trails and steep and technical and riding them fast isn't always an option!

    A lot of alpine trails have extremely rocky, steep & tight switchbacks. It is a challenge just to ride these sections clean at low speed and keep upright. Sections like this rarely have a fast run out, or banked up corner exits. You have to ride and control the bike the whole time under constant braking control.

    You seem to be suggesting that the bike can only handle fast technical riding???
    Not

    Basically because due to the geometry of the bike, itīs easy to approach technical sections. So, the capacity of a bike to climb up steep sections depends on the geometry 95% and fortunately the Rune, due to it SA of 74š helps a lot.

    So itīs not a question if the Rune climbs good or not.. any bike with good angles in seat and directions will climb up really good... and the Rune collects the best geometry of the market right now.. and Iīm sure what Iīm saying....

    Iīm suggesting that this bike is fast.. really fast and probably you will approach faster than expected lot of technical sections but itīs not a bike to do trial-bike... simply.

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    @kalkhoffpink: for that kind of trails, I think the rune V2 works brilliant.
    I have a collection of videos, made by a frient, with hometrails that are a lot of fun on the new rune...





    and some, that are obviously quite boring aboard the rune, like these trails:
    (obviously, there a nigh-on no videos of the more boring ones)



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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianoMTB View Post
    Not

    Basically because due to the geometry of the bike, itīs easy to approach technical sections. So, the capacity of a bike to climb up steep sections depends on the geometry 95% and fortunately the Rune, due to it SA of 74š helps a lot.

    So itīs not a question if the Rune climbs good or not.. any bike with good angles in seat and directions will climb up really good... and the Rune collects the best geometry of the market right now.. and Iīm sure what Iīm saying....

    Iīm suggesting that this bike is fast.. really fast and probably you will approach faster than expected lot of technical sections but itīs not a bike to do trial-bike... simply.
    sorry mate, i was talking about descending, not climbing.
    and i am not talking about bike park trails where you have clear entry/exit into a technical section so you can just try to pin it faster.
    im referring to natural alpine terrain...

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    Quote Originally Posted by horsey24 View Post
    sorry mate, i was talking about descending, not climbing.
    and i am not talking about bike park trails where you have clear entry/exit into a technical section so you can just try to pin it faster.
    im referring to natural alpine terrain...
    Iīm misunderstood it

    If we talk about going descend.... this bike is the best.. no more words... with 65š direction angle and a really wide wheelbase plus a short chainstay.. this bike itīs awesome..

    Run an enduro bike with a dh geometrie in the front itīs a pleasure

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    @MalcomX

    Nice vids, thanks MalcomX. The problem ist, that all these videos feature other bikes than the RUNE v2.
    The Steep Throat is the most interesting, but looks more like work than like fun...
    Would you see the LV 601 with 165mm as an direct rival to the RUNE? It is lighter and the wheelbase is shorter, so maybe better suited for vertriding than the RUNE?

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