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    Fun!
    Sorry about one more clearance question. Is that 650B Hans Dampf 2.35" in a 26" Lyrik? Good clearance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurterno View Post
    Sorry about one more clearance question. Is that 650B Hans Dampf 2.35" in a 26" Lyrik? Good clearance?
    It's a x-fusion vengeance, plenty of clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    Fun!
    Dialed (minus the flats )!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurterno View Post
    Sorry about one more clearance question. Is that 650B Hans Dampf 2.35" in a 26" Lyrik? Good clearance?
    Here is a 650B Pacenti Neo Moto 2.3 in a Lyric fork. You get about 3-4mm. HD 2.35 is slightly taller IIRC (need to check the 650B forum) and may not fit with clearance without some arch grinding. There is a new Vee Rubber Trail Taker 2.4" which is about the same height as the Neo Moto but fatter with nice wrap around knobs. About $50 and good reviews so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Here is a 650B Pacenti Neo Moto 2.3 in a Lyric fork. You get about 3-4mm. HD 2.35 is slightly taller IIRC (need to check the 650B forum) and may not fit with clearance without some arch grinding. There is a new Vee Rubber Trail Taker 2.4" which is about the same height as the Neo Moto but fatter with nice wrap around knobs. About $50 and good reviews so far.

    I imagine a low profile rim and tire that isn't super tall is the way to go and should offer ample clearance with Lyrik and 650b. Like Stans Flow EX rims (only 18.6mm tall) on standard 2.3 tires (Maxxis, Specialized come to mind). Schwalbe tires are pretty tall and definitely a lot of rims out there that are much taller as well. I also really liked Schwalbe tread, I think the best casings on the market, but stayed away due to tall height and wanting a lower BB in the past. With Stan's Flow EX on Spesh 2.3 tires, my BB is just below 13.5" in neutral setting on the Rune V2, whereas typical is 13.7".
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    What is the maximum rear disc size on V2 Rune? 150mm dropouts, if that is of any importance.

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    Does anyone feel cramped in the cockpit on a large? I ride a large Yeti and the top tube is the same length as a XL Rune! I want to pull the trigger but not sure on the XL due to the longer seat tube! I am 6-1 with a long reach and like nothing longer than a 50mm stem! I'm hoping the actual "feel" is better than what the numbers say on the large!

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    Does anyone feel cramped in the cockpit on a large? I ride a large Yeti and the top tube is the same length as a XL Rune! I want to pull the trigger but not sure on the XL due to the longer seat tube! I am 6-1 with a long reach and like nothing longer than a 50mm stem! I'm hoping the actual "feel" is better than what the numbers say on the large!
    I imagine the large should do you fine. I came off a Yeti as well (med SB66) to a Rune V2 and the eff TT of the Yeti is 1.5" longer, but cockpit feel almost identical with same 50mm stem due to longer reach on V2. I am finding the Rune V2 to be more comfortable while pedalling in and out of saddle, whereas I thought for sure I would be a bit crammed with pedalling in the saddle. FWIW, I did have to push the saddle back on the rails about 5/8" and rolled the bars forward a smidge. The bike fits like a glove at 5'10" (w/shoes) and I was considering a large for myself due to TT measurement, but sure glad I went medium, even though I am running an inch more post while climbing than on previous bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter View Post
    Dialed (minus the flats )!
    Gonna build that exact bike, a few questions if you don't mind.

    What's it weigh? Also, where did you get the Vengeance and what model is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    Gonna build that exact bike, a few questions if you don't mind.

    What's it weigh? Also, where did you get the Vengeance and what model is it?

    Thanks,
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    Not sure about weight, no scales in the house. It pedals really well regardless.
    The fork is 2012 HLR air. Good performance, got them through my LBS (Ireland), UK distributor. They (distributor) wanted to add a 10mm travel reducer but I asked them not to based on feedback from x-fusion, there is plenty of crown clearance at bottom out (650 b).

    The bike surprises me how good it is, you'll have a blast. Easy to set up how you'd like it to behave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    I imagine the large should do you fine. I came off a Yeti as well (med SB66) to a Rune V2 and the eff TT of the Yeti is 1.5" longer, but cockpit feel almost identical with same 50mm stem due to longer reach on V2. I am finding the Rune V2 to be more comfortable while pedalling in and out of saddle, whereas I thought for sure I would be a bit crammed with pedalling in the saddle. FWIW, I did have to push the saddle back on the rails about 5/8" and rolled the bars forward a smidge. The bike fits like a glove at 5'10" (w/shoes) and I was considering a large for myself due to TT measurement, but sure glad I went medium, even though I am running an inch more post while climbing than on previous bike.
    Exactly what I wanted to hear! Is the reach due the the BB being further back? I'm hoping to get a demo this week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    Exactly what I wanted to hear! Is the reach due the the BB being further back? I'm hoping to get a demo this week!
    Yes, and why TT measurment is kind of irrelevant on sizing on this particular bike. Hope you get a chance to ride one. It really is a great AM bike. It felt a little awkard climbing on it at first due to slacker front end than what I was used to (too rear wheel biased for good climbing position). But, changed it back to neutral setting and bike motors up the trail if you got the legs, and completely destroys the descents. I am finding myself falling more and more in love with this ride the more I ride it. A true AM bike in my opinion.
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    Out for a Sunday ride. This bike hauls ass. Stuff I used slow up to roll down I am now just launching off of. Think I finally have this bike figured out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    Out for a Sunday ride. This bike hauls ass. Stuff I used slow up to roll down I am now just launching off of. Think I finally have this bike figured out.

    Nice!

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    New question here.

    Here is my new Rune
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    If anyone is having buyers remorse with their new Large Rune then let me know ha ha. I really want one of these things. Once my DH bike sells I will be placing my order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by climbingbubba View Post
    If anyone is having buyers remorse with their new Large Rune then let me know ha ha. I really want one of these things. Once my DH bike sells I will be placing my order.
    Me too! Looking for a ano black in large! Was told the next batch is sitting in a container on a ship somewher in the ocean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    Me too! Looking for a ano black in large! Was told the next batch is sitting in a container on a ship somewher in the ocean!
    hopefully they meant "on" the ocean, otherwise there are gonna be some very disappointed people out there

    you could always get a chili to compliment that delirium

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    my new rune

    blue!!!
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    Nice build, kind of wish I would have got blue. I like the looks of the brown bars.

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    Hey there,

    I'd like to use 3x10 with aShimano Derailleur. I have a FD-m980 which is a Direct Mount, but no e-type. As far as I understand, I cannot use this one, right? Can anyone suggest a derailleur which is known to work (I know about the Srams, but I'd prefer Shimano).
    Then: I'm planning to use my 150 mm Fox Talas (tapered). Can anyone suggest a headset? Would it be better to use one with an external cup?

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    Build Up my bike a touch early with my Van 180 and took it for a spin.

    The first 15 minutes sucked. I chose a fairly tech climbing trail, I walked alot. then I really started riding it more like a XC bike and the then it started climbing.

    Then I climbed it up to a buff berm jump trail. First thing I noticed this thing carries speed without effort, it's beautiful.

    Then I took it to a chundery trail again rode that like a champ.

    Steep Tech LIKE A BOSS

    Tight Switch back LIKE A BOSS

    my old van 180 NOT LIKE A BOSS blew up the damper. I have a van 180 pogo stick now.

    Can't wait to get my Talas, I want more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resnick View Post
    Build Up my bike a touch early with my Van 180 and took it for a spin.

    The first 15 minutes sucked. I chose a fairly tech climbing trail, I walked alot. then I really started riding it more like a XC bike and the then it started climbing.

    Then I climbed it up to a buff berm jump trail. First thing I noticed this thing carries speed without effort, it's beautiful.

    Then I took it to a chundery trail again rode that like a champ.

    Steep Tech LIKE A BOSS

    Tight Switch back LIKE A BOSS

    my old van 180 NOT LIKE A BOSS blew up the damper. I have a van 180 pogo stick now.

    Can't wait to get my Talas, I want more

    I have a 36 Talas 140-180 for sale. In like new condition. PM if you're interested.

    Stoked for the good review od the bike.

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    Banshee Rune V2 Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    Hey there,

    I'd like to use 3x10 with aShimano Derailleur. I have a FD-m980 which is a Direct Mount, but no e-type. As far as I understand, I cannot use this one, right? Can anyone suggest a derailleur which is known to work (I know about the Srams, but I'd prefer Shimano).
    Then: I'm planning to use my 150 mm Fox Talas (tapered). Can anyone suggest a headset? Would it be better to use one with an external cup?
    Shimano E-2 front derailleurs will work with the SRAM S3 mount. I can't give you the part numbers offhand, but they shouldn't be too hard to find...

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    But I cannot run 3x10 with E-2 right? Just 2x10 as far as I understand...

    Quote Originally Posted by hartwerks View Post
    Shimano E-2 front derailleurs will work with the SRAM S3 mount. I can't give you the part numbers offhand, but they shouldn't be too hard to find...

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    Banshee Rune V2 Build Thread

    Ah, yes. Sorry, 2x10 only. It seems you may be out of luck looking for a Shimano front derailleur for 3 x 10 for the Rune.

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    out of curiosity, why the need for 3x10? 2x10 was designed to essentially replace 3x9. lots of overlapping ratios using 3x10

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    Well, I already got all the components from my previous AM and I thought it would be good to save some money. Any idea if I can re-use my XT crankset by replacing the outer gear with a bashguard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    Well, I already got all the components from my previous AM and I thought it would be good to save some money. Any idea if I can re-use my XT crankset by replacing the outer gear with a bashguard?
    yes you can, that is not a problem at all. a cheap upgrade would be a bash and a blackspire stinger dual ring guide. unless you have a sram or shimano clutch type derailler already

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    Hey there,

    I received my new frame today and before I start building it together I have a few questions:

    1) Within the bottom bracket, I noticed a scratch through the thread. Could this lead to problems later on? it doesn't seem to be very deep but you can definitely feel it with your finger (see uploaded image No 2).

    2) There are a few minor dents within the seat tube - see picture No 1. I don't really care about this as long as this does not pose any structural weakness. Thoughts?

    3) The seat post (Rock Shox Reverb, 30,9mm) slips really easy into the seat tube... looks like there's almost too much tolerance between seat post and seat tube diameter? Had the same problem with a Kona once which made it hard to fix the seat post in one position.

    4) Any advice for the torquening specs of the dropouts? How about the bolts fixing the damper?

    5) Can I adjust any seat posts height to my likes (i.e. pull it out as far as possible, considering the "min insert" marker) or do I have to add a few mm due to the way the seat tube is welded to the top tube?

    Other than that: Can't wait to ride it
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    I'd be pretty upset if my frame came with blemishes such as those, to be honest.

    Anyhow - my local distributor told me today, that the frame I ordered in october will be at my doorstep in 3 to 5 weeks. Maybe.

    I raged.

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    Today i got my Rune v2 in XL - black anodized ...
    i looks so sweet.

    The frame only - without CCDBAir comes in about 3500g, pretty much for an Enduro Frame.
    Including the CCDBAir its 4050g ...

    looking forward to build this beat up.
    target weight is about 14kg / 30.5lbs, but without dropper post.

    we will see
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    Hey there,

    I received my new frame today and before I start building it together I have a few questions:

    1) Within the bottom bracket, I noticed a scratch through the thread. Could this lead to problems later on? it doesn't seem to be very deep but you can definitely feel it with your finger (see uploaded image No 2).
    Doesn't look very deep. Wont be a problem. Just thread the bottom bracket in and it will clean out the threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    2) There are a few minor dents within the seat tube - see picture No 1. I don't really care about this as long as this does not pose any structural weakness. Thoughts?
    Cant see any dents in that picture? Need to remember that anything, included extruded aluminum tubes, are never perfect.

    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    3) The seat post (Rock Shox Reverb, 30,9mm) slips really easy into the seat tube... looks like there's almost too much tolerance between seat post and seat tube diameter? Had the same problem with a Kona once which made it hard to fix the seat post in one position.
    I have had no problems with the 30.9 reverb on the V2 spitfire.

    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    5) Can I adjust any seat posts height to my likes (i.e. pull it out as far as possible, considering the "min insert" marker) or do I have to add a few mm due to the way the seat tube is welded to the top tube?
    I always insert a post past the welded area.

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    I have a large ano black on hold. Can anyone confirm this suspension design does NOT ride like SCs VPP as I disliked the feel of my NomadC!

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    The KS link should feel different as it is actually quite different in design than the VPP (no counter rotating top link) so it doesn't have that momentary lack of support in the middle of the stroke as it travels through its S-shaped rear wheel travel path (which is smaller in the VPP2 design). I was actually able to dial in the DHX Air quite well on my Prime proto - a shock with poor support/adjustment in mid travel that is notoriously horrible on VPP bikes. It is closer in concept to shortened 4 bar designs (DW, Maestro, etc).
    I'm sure builttoride will cover this more accurately and correct me on the finer details...

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    I have a large ano black on hold. Can anyone confirm this suspension design does NOT ride like SCs VPP as I disliked the feel of my NomadC!
    I went from V1 Spitfire to NomadC to V2 Rune, and I prefer the Banshees hands down. The Nomad, for as popular as it is, has some odd behaviors. I know it's good enough for some of the top riders in the world to win on, but it didn't suit my tastes. I don't feel like it worked well with an air shock and I always felt like it slightly hung up on square edge hits. I have had two VPP bikes now and I don't intend to have another.

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    Great info guys! @ Coiler-d, what size Nomad did you have & your current V2 size? How different of a cockpit feel do they have? I'm also wondering why I can't find more detailed reviews as its been out a while!

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    Banshee Rune V2 Build Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by coiler-d View Post
    I went from V1 Spitfire to NomadC to V2 Rune, and I prefer the Banshees hands down. The Nomad, for as popular as it is, has some odd behaviors. I know it's good enough for some of the top riders in the world to win on, but it didn't suit my tastes. I don't feel like it worked well with an air shock and I always felt like it slightly hung up on square edge hits. I have had two VPP bikes now and I don't intend to have another.
    Hey coiler-d, how does the v1 Spitfire compare to the Rune V2. Considering the same move but have yet to read a good comparison. I have no doubt that the V2 is a better descender, and is stiffer, that's why I am interested. But am wondering whether it is worth sacrificing the climbing and 'smaller bike' feeling of the Spitfire which is no slouch on the descents.

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    Does anyone know where I can find a blue large? Doesn't appear they brought many of this color into the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    I have a large ano black on hold. Can anyone confirm this suspension design does NOT ride like SCs VPP as I disliked the feel of my NomadC!
    I think MartinS is right on the money. Have a look at the following link to the linkage design blogspot from Antonio Osuna. Scroll down to the Banshee Rune and the graphs are nearly identical to the Giant Reign and the Mojo HD. One thing in particular the Banshee and Giant do better is bottom out resistance on the leverage curve than the HD. The little swoop up at the end of the curve for the HD are what makes it bottom out easier and what people complain about on that forum. Easily fixed though by reducing the can volume. KS Link is really good and he very much liked it. Now if you go digging for some Santa Cruz bikes on that blogspot all the curves are very different and the pedaling efficiency is not nearly as good as the Banshee, HD or Giant. The Intense VPP is also more like the Santa Cruz. Banshee nailed it IMHO and is also kind of like the Marin Quad Link 2 design with repositioned links.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    Does anyone know where I can find a blue large? Doesn't appear they brought many of this color into the states.
    I thought I had seen Kieth mention somewhere the Blue were for the first run and the Yellow the second, so you could not get Yellow at first and now that the yellows are being made they are not making blue. I could be talking out of my ass but I thought I saw this somewhere.

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    Socal - I am 5'7" and kind of leggier for short dude. I have had Medium in all three bikes. The V1 Spitty and V2 Rune seem to fit similarly and both are longer that the medium NomadC.

    cressa - I have to admit I only have 2 legit rides in on the V2 Rune, but it doesn't feel like it is as good of a climber as my Spitfire was. My Rune is coil front and rear and about 3 lbs heavier though. The Rune is definitely stiff and I haven't even gotten my 142mm drops yet, but I didn't have any complaints with the stiffness of the Spitfire, when everything was in check. I really think it is nearly impossible to have a 6"ish travel bike that soaks everything up yet still climbs excellantly, but I think the Rune is as good as it gets. I am fortunate, partially because of the upgrade program, that I am able to have two bikes this year and have the Rune set up more for the downs and my other bike will be for the XC rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave dweller View Post
    Doesn't look very deep. Wont be a problem. Just thread the bottom bracket in and it will clean out the threads.
    Just installed my BB. Noproblem at alll!

    Is anyone running the CCDB Air without the large Air Volume Spacer which Keith recommends?
    I'll definitely tune my shock with it since I like a more progressive shock, but I was just wondering how it feels after all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindPatterns View Post
    Is anyone running the CCDB Air without the large Air Volume Spacer which Keith recommends?
    I'll definitely tune my shock with it since I like a more progressive shock, but I was just wondering how it feels after all...
    I used it without any volume spacer the first few rides, now with the large volume. There isn't noticable bottoming without the spacer, but does use full travel a bit too often. With the large volume spacer, same sag and compression settings it sits up a bit more. So it behaves like you'd expect, nice!

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    650b review please!

    ptd, what do you think so far?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    I used it without any volume spacer the first few rides, now with the large volume. There isn't noticable bottoming without the spacer, but does use full travel a bit too often. With the large volume spacer, same sag and compression settings it sits up a bit more. So it behaves like you'd expect, nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    Does anyone know where I can find a blue large? Doesn't appear they brought many of this color into the states.
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    Hope

    finally its done ...

    here is my Rune in XL pretty sweet

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    more info´s will come, for now, i must go to sleep
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    Hi guys, long time dweller, first time poster!

    I've been searching for quite some time for a bike that ticks all the boxes and i think the Rune or Spitfire V2 may be it. To give you a bit of an idea of what kind of rider i am, i'm primarily a downhill racer (rode expert in 2009) and my style of riding is smooth - i like to hop obstacles and rather enjoy hitting jumps. My question is, if i was going to have one bike and one bike only, should it be the Spitfire or the Rune? I ride a lot of trail centers but also a fair amount of DH - usually hit the alps once a year. Could the Spitfire handle it or would the Rune be better? There certainly doesn't seem to be much difference in terms of weight between the two.... I currently ride a Trek EX8 with 36's, its ok for most stuff but i'd be afraid to smash out any DH's on it!

    Any help would be much appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by <sL4yEr>RuLz View Post
    650b review please! ptd, what do you think so far?
    I like it. Simply put it feels like you'd expect, and is close enough to what the various 650b reviews/tests suggest:

    > Repetitive 'medium hits' or chatter - Feels smoother and faster
    > Cornering traction - The jury is out on this, the bike has so many other changes it'd be hard to justify simple 'yes'. But anyway, it feels more like stability increase rather than pure traction, perhaps that's the same thing anyway?
    > Flickable - The bike feels a bit bigger, rather than anything noticeable from the wheels stopping moving the bike around. My build and set-up is 'mini-dh/enduro', it's as capable as my DH rig on the descents while sprinting and changing direction much quicker, so that's a good result. Is it worse? No not for my riding intention - bombing the cr@p out of everything!

    Would I choose 650b over 26inch in hindsight? Yes.
    What does it feel like? It feels like a normal bike with bigger tyres (no magic!).

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    What will accept the shock-absorber for rune v2 better? Standard CCDBair or The Lounge | Chatter | Introducing the XV ?
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