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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    I am pretty sure if you go to the thread below Trident said it is a $200 upgrade with them once they are available. Post number 93.


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    Thanks for the heads up. Admittedly, a bit lazy with my research.

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    what are the sag recommendations for the new Rune?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxking45 View Post
    what are the sag recommendations for the new Rune?
    28% on the geometry tab towards the bottom...
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    Went out for a little urban assault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cressa View Post
    I'd be really interested in a Spitfire V1 / Rune V2 comparison. Not sure which way I should go right now... currently on a spitfire and cant decide whether I should get a new rune or new spitfire.
    OK, I swapped out the 45mm stem for an 85mm stem and shortened the bars to 700mm (amazing what 80mm of extra bars does to the feel of a bike). I also changed out the Vivid for a Pushed Monarch. For some reason I couldnít get enough rebound damping on the Vivid. Iím waiting on a reducer headset lower for the Lyrik. At the moment Iím happy with the Totem, but it's really too much fork if you like long technical climbs.

    I donít think you will lose the fun factor with the V2 Rune compared to the V1 Spitty. I canít tell if itís new-bike-effect, but this thing is a joy to ride. I have only been on XC trails so far, and taken a couple of low drops. Iíve also only played with the dropout tabs with the centered hole. It climbs very well, though as I mentioned I need to swap out the Totem. Iím also still struggling with an arthritic knee that doesnít want me pedaling while out of the saddle, so my impressions on climbing are probably pretty skewed.

    Like someone else mentioned earlier in this thread I initially had trouble with manuals, but the problem went away by the second ride. My thinking is that being further forward means you have to start the manual sooner, but not pull any harder. If the V1 Spitty had any serious handling flaws it was the effort needed to pick the front end up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    Went out for a little urban assault.
    looks very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Finally got all the parts after close to 4 weeks after getting my frame. About 2 pounds heavier then I hoped for at close to 35pds. Besides the fork I can not figure out where all the extra weight is compared to the other frame on here that I saw with the CCDB Air. That one came in at 33pds.
    Looks great! Thats the new trailmaster ltd saddle? looks nice!!

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    So I got to take mine out today on a true all mountain climb/descend ride with plenty of big drops and hits to air it out. Initial impressions are stellar. This bike absolutely rips the DH. I am still getting used to my Fox CTD but it feels pretty good however I have a really hard time feeling the difference between the three modes because I descended in climb mode and climbed in descend mode and I never even noticed. I am coming off an Elka on my V1 Rune which I thoroughly enjoyed because it was set it and forget it. I am currently on a size Med in the Neutral setting on the flip chips. I can't wait however to try it in the slack mode but that is another day. The bike climbs surprisingly well as compared to my V1. I did however def notice the lower BB on the climbs (pedal strikes) but noticed it equally as much on the descends when i hit stuff in hyper speed. The bike jumped very well as well which if it was easier I would attach some pictures. Over all I think banshee did a wonderful job on the redesign and this thing is going to get a lot of use and see plenty of airtime!

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    I did however def notice the lower BB on the climbs (pedal strikes) but noticed it equally as much on the descends when i hit stuff in hyper speed.
    Dang, I was worried about this. I'm building a V2 for Downieville which mostly features super rocky descents. Pedal strike often equals ejection up there. I'd be curious to hear from V2 riders how the chip in the steep setting feels on the downhills. Does it kill the mini-downhill feel that a lot of guys are reporting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALULO View Post
    Looks great! Thats the new trailmaster ltd saddle? looks nice!!
    Good eye. It is indead the new TrailMaster LTD in deep red. Hoping to test the bike and the new seat out on my next day off which is the 28th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattioliD View Post
    Dang, I was worried about this. I'm building.. a V2 for Downieville which mostly features super rocky descents. Pedal strike often equals ejection up there. I'd be curious to hear from V2 riders how the chip in the steep setting feels on the downhills. Does it kill the mini-downhill feel that a lot of guys are reporting?
    It descends great in the steep setting. Still very planted and stable.

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    does anyone know what "28%" translates to in mm so i can adjust accordingly on the Fox CTD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxking45 View Post
    does anyone know what "28%" translates to in mm so i can adjust accordingly on the Fox CTD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    You want about 16mm of sag at the shock (16.3mm if you want to be exact). 28% of wheel sag is not quite the same as 28% of shock sag due to leverage curve not being perfectly flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helidave View Post
    It descends great in the steep setting. Still very planted and stable.
    The steep setting on this bike is still slack compared to most other bikes in its class. I run a Lyrik with an A2C of 555mm. In the slack setting I'm just a butt hair under 65 degrees. Thinking of moving to the neutral position.

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    Finally Finished!

    Will going out on the maiden voyage in about an hour

    Update: Also just weighed it, and it came in at 31lbs 3oz. Not bad considering I have heavier tires!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rednova75 View Post
    Will going out on the maiden voyage in about an hour
    Looking good!

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    This bike hauls. Out at The Syncline, WA for a Christmas Eve putt.





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    [QUOTE=darkslide18;10004913]This bike hauls. Out at The Syncline, WA for a Christmas Eve putt.

    +1 pointed DH this bike opens up!! It just begs to go faster and faster

    BTW your bike looks sick!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    The steep setting on this bike is still slack compared to most other bikes in its class. I run a Lyrik with an A2C of 555mm. In the slack setting I'm just a butt hair under 65 degrees. Thinking of moving to the neutral position.
    Just measured mine; 65.5 degrees in the steep setting with a 170mm lyric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxking45 View Post
    does anyone know what "28%" translates to in mm so i can adjust accordingly on the Fox CTD.

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    You want about 16mm of sag at the shock (16.3mm if you want to be exact). 28% of wheel sag is not quite the same as 28% of shock sag due to leverage curve not being perfectly flat.
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    There is also a phone app for the 2013 Fox shocks and forks that helps set up sag. Only works with the 2013 models though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan_daugherty View Post
    I have a CCDBa coming on mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    And mine .
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    offtop - banshee v1 build - june 2012
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    Nice, reminds me of my old Rune.

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    Which size of shock mounting hardware should be used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tene View Post
    Which size of shock mounting hardware should be used?
    M8 x 40.0mm for shaft end of shock (rear end) and M8 x 25.4mm for reservoir end (front)
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    I'm thinking of getting a Rune v2 and want to run it 650. So, I am curious, has anyone tried the XFusion Vengeance on a Rune V2 and how does it do?
    I have that frame/fork combo, won't have it build up up until end of Jan, I'll post experience then. Using Stans Flow 650b rims.

    I emailed XFusion USA with the same question, got a reply from the sales/service manager, he confirmed the forks are 650b out of the box, with no need to add a travel reducing spacer (got a quick reply thanks XFusion).

    According to this thread
    The 650b tire dimensions thread
    the Hans Dampf 650b has a diameter of 705mm.
    This would leave 42.5mm of crown clearance at bottom out (565-(705/2) -170). I'm also planning to use the High Roller II 650b, say that's 720mm diameter, leaves 35mm crown clearance (565-(720/2) -170).

    As for head angle, that's what I'm looking forward to! Depends on what you like I guess, for climbing/flat trail cornering I haven't found it to be a negative on other trail bikes, maybe some technique change is required...

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I'm thinking of getting a Rune v2 and want to run it 650.

    However, I am considering an XFusion Vengeance fork, which has an axle to crown that is (at 565mm) 20mm longer than the ones it is specced for...I understand the geo is 65 to 66 degrees, adjustable, assuming a 545mm a to c fork. With 565, I am concerned this thing will be too slack for anything but downhill.
    If you are concerned about the slack angles, then you could either lower the fork internally to 150mm to get desired axle to crown height to help keep BB low too, or you could run an angle set to steepen things up, but this will result in a higher BB.

    Personally I would lower the vengeance to 150mm to get 545mm axle to crown height. The damping on the vengeance is good enough that you can run this setup without feeling you have too little travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    If you are concerned about the slack angles, then you could either lower the fork internally to 150mm to get desired axle to crown height to help keep BB low too, or you could run an angle set to steepen things up, but this will result in a higher BB.

    Personally I would lower the vengeance to 150mm to get 545mm axle to crown height. The damping on the vengeance is good enough that you can run this setup without feeling you have too little travel.
    Im running a Lyrik with an A2C of 555. In the slack setting I am shade under 65. Im also considering a vengeance and i would have no qualms whatsoever about mounting it up. Swap the flip chips for the steep ones and your going to get around a 65 degree HA. Which in my opinion is fine because this bike climbs just fine in the setting I have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I'm thinking of getting a Rune v2 and want to run it 650.

    However, I am considering an XFusion Vengeance fork, which has an axle to crown that is (at 565mm) 20mm longer than the ones it is specced for...I understand the geo is 65 to 66 degrees, adjustable, assuming a 545mm a to c fork. With 565, I am concerned this thing will be too slack for anything but downhill.

    A second concern I have is with the Vengeance's clearance for the beefier 650 tires. I am going to want to be able to run at least 2.35s in there. I've heard there are some clearance issues but this is surprising since the fork is approved for 650b. (I had an Xfusion Velvet fork and had no such issues with 650b and it was a great fork with lots of clearance, even for Nevegal 2.35s so I am doubting the accuracy of this last bit).


    So, I am curious, has anyone tried the XFusion Vengeance on a Rune V2 and how does it do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    I have that frame/fork combo, won't have it build up up until end of Jan, I'll post experience then. Using Stans Flow 650b rims.

    I emailed XFusion USA with the same question, got a reply from the sales/service manager, he confirmed the forks are 650b out of the box, with no need to add a travel reducing spacer (got a quick reply thanks XFusion).

    According to this thread
    The 650b tire dimensions thread
    the Hans Dampf 650b has a diameter of 705mm.
    This would leave 42.5mm of crown clearance at bottom out (565-(705/2) -170). I'm also planning to use the High Roller II 650b, say that's 720mm diameter, leaves 35mm crown clearance (565-(720/2) -170).

    As for head angle, that's what I'm looking forward to! Depends on what you like I guess, for climbing/flat trail cornering I haven't found it to be a negative on other trail bikes, maybe some technique change is required...
    This fork has me really puzzled. It seems to have un-needed excessive amounts of clearance built into it (especially for 26" wheels). Your #'s and math are correct and 42.5mm of crown clearance seems crazy to me at bottom out with a 705mm 650B tire. It would clear a 29" tire for petes sake never mind the tallest 650B right now which is the NN 2.35" @ about 708mm. I also seriously doubt the new High Roller 650B will be anywhere near 720mm (28.35") which would make it just a gigantic 650B tire.

    Am I missing something here
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    This fork has me really puzzled. It seems to have un-needed excessive amounts of clearance built into it (especially for 26" wheels). Your #'s and math are correct and 42.5mm of crown clearance seems crazy to me at bottom out with a 705mm 650B tire. It would clear a 29" tire for petes sake never mind the tallest 650B right now which is the NN 2.35" @ about 708mm. I also seriously doubt the new High Roller 650B will be anywhere near 720mm (28.35") which would make it just a gigantic 650B tire.

    Am I missing something here
    Yeah I'm surprised by the clearance on paper (in a good way), will be interested to see when built up...
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    I have a 2011 Vengeance which has 160mm of travel and an A2C of 560mm. I run my rune in the neutral position, and honestly it doesn't feel that slack when riding around XC trails. However, when you're pointed down, it definitely becomes noticeable how much better the V2 handles the steeps compared to the V1. I have avoided running it in the slack position due to the same concerns you've expressed. After riding the V2 for about 3 weeks, I'd probably be more concerned with more pedal strikes than the super slack HA.

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    A quick little edit from yesterday. COLD!

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    Yeah, sweet video. Love the transitions from snow to dry valley with the sun bursting through. Nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    A quick little edit from yesterday. COLD!
    Can't be that cold, still have running water on trails.

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    Nice edit and cool to see HC in the snow, but man I got one word of ya.....Blackrock...as it was pretty prime all the way from the top (outside of Bonzai 5). Sorry I didn't call you yesterday due to leaving the phone at home and not realizing until well on the road. BR is probably the best rolling trail right now in the whole NW for that matter as it has been protected from low snow. Go get some and let me know how the V2 digs it as I am still waiting for mine of course.
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    Took the new Rune out for a ride around Taipei, handled almost 3,000ft of climbing without much trouble in the slackest setting. Hit up a nice wet and steep trail at a little DH spot we have in the city on my way home.

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    Looks like a fun little trail. Love the blue Rune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudpuppy View Post
    Looks like a fun little trail. Love the blue Rune.
    Not too bad, considering it's in a city of 3million people. I've been pleasantly surprised by the riding here in Taiwan thus far.

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    Radical!!! Superchunk in the jungle on the V2, dig it and great solo edit/riding!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Nice edit and cool to see HC in the snow, but man I got one word of ya.....Blackrock...as it was pretty prime all the way from the top (outside of Bonzai 5). Sorry I didn't call you yesterday due to leaving the phone at home and not realizing until well on the road. BR is probably the best rolling trail right now in the whole NW for that matter as it has been protected from low snow. Go get some and let me know how the V2 digs it as I am still waiting for mine of course.
    I have the day off tomorrow so I'm heading out to BR while the gettin is still good. Partly cloudy and 41 degrees. Quite doable. Going hit Bonzai and Sickter. If youre off give me a call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    I have a 2011 Vengeance which has 160mm of travel and an A2C of 560mm. I run my rune in the neutral position, and honestly it doesn't feel that slack when riding around XC trails. However, when you're pointed down, it definitely becomes noticeable how much better the V2 handles the steeps compared to the V1. I have avoided running it in the slack position due to the same concerns you've expressed. After riding the V2 for about 3 weeks, I'd probably be more concerned with more pedal strikes than the super slack HA.
    Strange these 2012 Vengeance 170mm have A2C of 542mm ish... wipers go up to about 5mm from the crown bits at bottom out...

    Bike looks sad without it's bits on!

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    That's a bas @ss machine you have there. Nicely done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    Strange these 2012 Vengeance 170mm have A2C of 542mm ish... wipers go up to about 5mm from the crown bits at bottom out...

    Bike looks sad without it's bits on!

    Jeez, can you please measure that A/C again and also confirm the 170mm of travel on the stanchion.

    Your talking a 20mm difference as to what X-Fusion states on their site and that's a BIG difference
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    Prior to my vengeance I had a 170mm lyrik. At one point I had placed them side by side to see if I could notice a difference with the A2C, and the vengeance was slightly taller/longer. How many mm of stanchion is your fork showing right now?

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    My bad, I was measuring to the bottom of the crown, not the crown race.
    Axle to crown race is 565.

    There is 178mm exposed stanchion, 8mm left at bottom out.

    I did some tyre clearance calculations in an earlier post which are wrong.
    Based on 540mm axle to bottom of crown, a 705mm diameter hans dampf 650b will leave 17.5mm clearance 540-(705/2)-170. 720mm diameter leaves 10mm.

    Oops.... Correct now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    My bad, I was measuring to the bottom of the crown, not the crown race.
    Axle to crown race is 565.

    There is 178mm exposed stanchion, 8mm left at bottom out.

    I did some tyre clearance calculations in an earlier post which are wrong.
    Based on 540mm axle to bottom of crown, a 705mm diameter hans dampf 650b will leave 17.5mm clearance 540-(705/2)-170. 720mm diameter leaves 10mm.

    Oops.... Correct now?
    Ah, it all makes more sense. Thanks for the corrections

    Still, allot of clearance built into this fork and quite possibly to much IMO. I don't think were gonna be seeing a 720mm 650B tire (28.3") yet there is more than enough clearance for one.
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    very nice trail to have available in the city.
    I just want to ride.

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