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    Although, I'm a little disappointed about the bushing play with the DBair.

    I have the same!!

    I buy now this one:

    Huber Bushings - High Precision Shock Bushings

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    Quote Originally Posted by uzurpator View Post
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    Another question from the series "I want to break my frame, is that ok?"

    I noticed that Rune has the ISCG tabs on the same plane as the BB shell face. Experience taught me that this often causes interference with the granny when using a Stinger-like chain guides.

    Since I will be running a double in front, this is an issue for me. I will be using Race Face Atlas cranks - so I only have about 2mm of chainline adjustment due to the retarded way RF cranks set the bearing pre-load.

    Is there a concete reason for such placement of the ISCG tabs? AFAIR the standard does not specify that and many frames which are sold with 2x10 have the tabs recessed some to avoid the problem above. My ex Spesh enduro had the tabs recessed by 2.5mm from the bb shell face.

    As for my question - shaving 1mm or so of material from the tabs is a no-go warranty wise - right?
    Shaving material of the ISCG will not void warranty unless any warranty claim is related to ISCG location, as it shouldn't have any affect on the rest of the frame. We are reasonable here at Banshee. Although you may have slight delay if you did ever file a warranty while the distributor checked things with us.

    The reasons I mounted the ISCG flush with the BB are that this setup does not require spacers for most chainguide setups our customers use, and as 2x10 and 1x10, and even 1x11 become more popular this is beneficial to most customers. It also is what is required if running hammerschmidt. Plus it makes for better tolerance of facing. I rarely want yet more standards in the bike industry, but for that location I do wish that all crank and chainguide manufacturers followed the same standard to offer inter compatibility.
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    I have a stinger on my 2X10 setup. The pulley overlaps the bash guard by a couple of mm, but it works just fine. I used a BB mounted stinger rather than an ISCG version. It looks to me like an ISCG bracket would work the same, though.

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    Frame has landed! Must buy parts immediately!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    Frame has landed! Must buy parts immediately!
    Dude the black looks sick!!!!

    Mine should arrive Monday all I'm waiting on is my CC 110 headset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    Frame has landed! Must buy parts immediately!
    Dude the black looks sick!!!!

    Mine should arrive Monday all I'm waiting on is my CC 110 headset.

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    Can I get some clarification on the recommended spacers for the Cane Creek Double Barrel Air? I bought the shock separately and from Keith's post it appears like they recommend installing the largest supplied volume spacer. ptd, it looks like you got the shock with the frame? Was the spacer pre-installed? It looks like the spacer pack is untouched.

    What is the point of the spacer anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by knumbskull View Post
    Can I get some clarification on the recommended spacers for the Cane Creek Double Barrel Air? I bought the shock separately and from Keith's post it appears like they recommend installing the largest supplied volume spacer. ptd, it looks like you got the shock with the frame? Was the spacer pre-installed? It looks like the spacer pack is untouched.

    What is the point of the spacer anyway?

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    +1 I bought mine after market as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rednova75 View Post
    Dude the black looks sick!!!!

    Mine should arrive Monday all I'm waiting on is my CC 110 headset.
    Black does look sick......mine is tracking to arrive some time next week. I went with the Fox but will also be getting my Elka Stage 5 rebuilt for the new geometry.

    would like to see some sort of comparison on this bike of air vs coil!

    Absolutely pumped with all of these picture popping up!!

    HOLLA!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knumbskull View Post
    Can I get some clarification on the recommended spacers for the Cane Creek Double Barrel Air? I bought the shock separately and from Keith's post it appears like they recommend installing the largest supplied volume spacer. ptd, it looks like you got the shock with the frame? Was the spacer pre-installed? It looks like the spacer pack is untouched.

    What is the point of the spacer anyway?

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    The base settings that we liked best for the rune V2 were:

    Xvol can, 1 large vol spacer, LSR:14, LSC:10, HSC:2, HSR:2

    But everyone is different, (different weight, riding style, terrain and preferances) so we included a bunch of extra volume spacers to allow our customers to fine tune the shock exactly to their liking.

    Adding a volume spacer makes the shock more progressive. So if you find yu are bottoming out too easily, try adding another spacer, if you feel you are not getting full use of ravel, remove a volume spacer. The volume spacers obviously only work in step intervals, but the shock is so tunable that if you spend time dialing it in you can get the exact feel you want.
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    Thanks Keith, that helps.

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    Anyone coming from a V1 with an Elka to the V2 with the CTD? Any impressions? Or if anyone going from V1 with Elka to V2 with Elka. How much is rebuilding the Elka for the new geometry costing? I am pretty torn on upgrading, I havent had the bushing issues, and replaced them once in the year I've owned it due to normal wear.

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    It was around $180 for the rebuild, new bushings, and return shipping. The Elka feels better on the v2 than the v1 so far. No bobbing, great traction, plush but not mushy.

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    Economy build... Will take it off road for the first time tomorrow. I have a seriously screwed up knee, so probably won't get to do more than a little XC, and some aggressive limping. Still waiting on the 650b dropouts. I have a 160mm Lyrik I'm thinking of using for the 650b build. I don't think the Totem with the extra 3/4" height from the wheel would work very well.

    On the size, this large feels shorter than the large Spitfire it's replacing - a lot shorter. I'm just under 6' and feel like I could go to an XL and still be happy. I'm going to need a longer stem as it is.
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    Now that is my kind of bike

    Altho you worry me when you say that at 6' it feels short. I have an XL on order and with me at 6'5" it might prove too short with 45mm stem :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by uzurpator View Post
    Now that is my kind of bike

    Altho you worry me when you say that at 6' it feels short. I have an XL on order and with me at 6'5" it might prove too short with 45mm stem :/
    The stem that's on it is the 30mm stem that came off the large Spitfire. I think a 50mm stem will be about perfect. I do tend to prefer larger bikes than what is recommended for my height.

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    FD --- Info

    the FD SRAM X0 2 x10 for 22-36 works not corecct wit a 36 pinion

    I use a Crank with 22-36 and the chain roams at the high gears on the FD.
    Now go back to the 22-32 an it is OK.

    In the next Time i buy a Shimano 2x10 or 3x10 FD with E-Typ.

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    How come the times posted are all over the place on this thread. It would be sooooo much easier to look at if everything just went to the bottom on the last page.....new posts at the end of the thread......chronologically....what a thought!!

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    Ahh nevermind I just figured out that I was viewing it in "hybrid mode" and not "linear mode"

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    Just got back from my first ride on Das Runestein Zweit (my new Rune). I definitely need to spend some time tuning the DBair to my exact likings, but here's my quick stoke on the new Rune:

    I had sold my Rune V1 after it started to develop play and ended up on a Wildcard. The wildcard is a super playful bike that is perfect for jump lines, but not so well well suited for the 4-5 hour rides I like doing. I never felt comfortable on technical and steeper lines on the Wildcard, and my riding definitely suffered from my lack of confidence on the bike.

    On the new Rune I immediately felt comfortable. The suspension platform paired with the ultra stiff rear end translates into a bike that motors up fire roads as well as techier sections too. I liked the ultra-plushness of the wildcard when descending, but it definitely did quite a bit of wallowing when mashing on the pedals- especially when pushing, which can be quite annoying when you're riding lots of rocks! Going downhill the new rune is amazing (I have it set in neutral, but it's probably closer to 65 degrees since my bike has a 560mm A2C). If I had to sum up the new Rune in one word, it would be responsive. Compared to the V1 and Wildcard, I noticed the front wheel tracks a lot better. While the front tire stays firmly planted to your line, the rear wheel is super easy to whip around- I think my case of Aggie-itis just got worse (the act of whipping your rear wheel like Aggie). The new school geometry felt very natural and balanced.

    After taking a 15 year hiatus from mountain biking, around 3 years ago i started riding my XC hardtail several times a week. After being re-bitten by the mtb bug, I upgraded to my first full suspension bike, a Santa Cruz Butcher. I was blown away by the new lines I could ride and how fast I could ride them on a 6" bike. It was an eye opening experience that exponentially increased my love of riding. I ended up replacing my butcher with a 2011 Rune. I always felt cramped on the butcher and the rune v1 fit me so much better. The rune v1 was a lot of fun, but I didn't have that same level of exuberance I had when first riding the butcher. Maybe I was chasing that first high that I would never be able to reach again. Enter Das Runestein Z (Rune V2). Wow. I feel like I'm on a mini-DH bike compared to the Butcher and V1. It's just damn fun and confidence inspiring. All of the confidence I had lost while riding the Wildcard has been completely wiped away by one ride on the new Rune. I can't wait for my next ride Although, I'm a little annoyed it's winter as I think this bike is the perfect weapon of choice for an all day ride in the alpine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by belljeffw View Post
    On the size, this large feels shorter than the large Spitfire it's replacing - a lot shorter. I'm just under 6' and feel like I could go to an XL and still be happy. I'm going to need a longer stem as it is.
    I'd be really interested in a Spitfire V1 / Rune V2 comparison. Not sure which way I should go right now... currently on a spitfire and cant decide whether I should get a new rune or new spitfire.

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    FD --- Info

    Quote Originally Posted by bikeman_2 View Post
    the FD SRAM X0 2 x10 for 22-36 works not corecct wit a 36 pinion

    I use a Crank with 22-36 and the chain roams at the high gears on the FD.
    Now go back to the 22-32 an it is OK.

    In the next Time i buy a Shimano 2x10 or 3x10 FD with E-Typ.

    I must revice my INFO for the SRAM FD. This morning I put a 2. Plastic-Ring on my Crank (Shimano HONE). And...ist works perfekt with the X0 SRAM 22-36 for 2x10 Speed. with a 36 Pinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cressa View Post
    I'd be really interested in a Spitfire V1 / Rune V2 comparison. Not sure which way I should go right now... currently on a spitfire and cant decide whether I should get a new rune or new spitfire.
    Wouldn't a Spitfire V2 / Rune V2 comparison make more sense if your possibly upgrading to one or the other? (or did you mean to say that?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cressa View Post
    I'd be really interested in a Spitfire V1 / Rune V2 comparison. Not sure which way I should go right now... currently on a spitfire and cant decide whether I should get a new rune or new spitfire.
    I think I will need a little more saddle time before I can make a reasonable comparison, and I need to get the stem and bar length setup more to my liking. The longer bars seemed like a minor change, but I had a hell of a time getting used to them. In any case, even with the short stem, I feel a lot more forward on the bike – the pedals feel further back than anything else I ride. THAT will take some time to adapt to. I will spend some time getting it setup better this week, and try to post something worth reading next weekend…

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Wouldn't a Spitfire V2 / Rune V2 comparison make more sense if your possibly upgrading to one or the other? (or did you mean to say that?)
    No I meant what I wrote but a V2/V2 comparison would be equally interesting. I understand this sounds peculiar but the reason is simple. Upgrading my V1 spitfire to a V2 Spitfire is a no-brainer really. However I am considering a Rune instead. I'm attracted to the reported stiffness and overall downhill grunt of the Rune but would love to know how much climbing ability you loose compared to V1 Spitfire and whether its a bit boring for general trail riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belljeffw View Post
    I think I will need a little more saddle time before I can make a reasonable comparison, and I need to get the stem and bar length setup more to my liking. The longer bars seemed like a minor change, but I had a hell of a time getting used to them. In any case, even with the short stem, I feel a lot more forward on the bike – the pedals feel further back than anything else I ride. THAT will take some time to adapt to. I will spend some time getting it setup better this week, and try to post something worth reading next weekend…
    Look forward to anything you can report. Thanks!

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    Saw this on Banshee's twitter feed...super sexy bike!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-V0F-UCMAERJPj.jpg:large

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    Wow, looks like it has the 26ers with 650B Dropouts, for longer Chainstays ...

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    I wonder which color of frame suit me when I have lot of white parts like Bos stuffs, Lg1 chainguide, sadde etc.
    Im interested of raw and yellow . Black is too simple, I have already a black frame for 4x

    Id love to look at images of such configs (raw and yellow with white parts but black rims?)

    I know it is matter of taste, I have hard time to figure out an picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalkhoffpink View Post
    Is there a reason except weight that none of you guys opted for the CCDB Air shock????
    I have a CCDBa coming on mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Cane Creek make the large volume air cans and spacers.
    Hi Keith!

    Are these base settings the same for the CCDB Coil?¿?? (these settings are from the CCDB AIR)

    LSR - 14 clicks in
    LSC - 10 clicks in
    HSR - 2 turns in
    HSC - 2 turns in

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudpuppy View Post


    Saw this on Banshee's twitter feed...super sexy bike!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-V0F-UCMAERJPj.jpg:large
    Really nice bike, I wanted to see a black one builted

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    My black ano 142x12 with the Fox CTD just arrived in the mail I can't even tell you how SICK this bike looks!! Should have it built by the weekend.

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    Still waiting for mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianoMTB View Post
    Hi Keith!

    Are these base settings the same for the CCDB Coil?¿?? (these settings are from the CCDB AIR)

    LSR - 14 clicks in
    LSC - 10 clicks in
    HSR - 2 turns in
    HSC - 2 turns in

    Thanks!
    The rough tune layout may be helpful for the DBcoil, but these are specific to the DBair. I'd suggest that you start around these settings and tune to your preferances from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptd View Post
    Frame has landed! Must buy parts immediately!
    What weight is it?

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    Size large with dropouts, hanger, 12 mm thru axle and CTD weighed in at: 8lbs 5oz. This does not include the seat post or seat collar. In comparison a large V1.5 with a DHX Air 5.0 weighed 7lbs 10oz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tene View Post
    What weight is it?
    +1 on mediun size with CCDB

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    Quote Originally Posted by rednova75 View Post
    Size large with dropouts, hanger, 12 mm thru axle and CTD weighed in at: 8 lbs 5 oz. This does not include the seat post or seat collar.
    Black is cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by rednova75 View Post
    Size large with dropouts, hanger, 12 mm thru axle and CTD weighed in at: 8 lbs 5 oz. This does not include the seat post or seat collar.
    Thats awesome. Well over a pound lighter than the prime protos.

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    Mine landed yesterday on my front doorstep. It is currently being built. I hope to have it by tomorrow with some ride time for this weekend and all next week during xmas break....if only it wasnt so damn cold!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxking45 View Post
    Mine landed yesterday on my front doorstep. It is currently being built. I hope to have it by tomorrow with some ride time for this weekend and all next week during xmas break....if only it wasnt so damn cold!!
    chili and a rune v2? wow. i'd like to hear your thoughts on the two bikes and what you prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Thats awesome. Well over a pound lighter than the prime protos.
    My medium production Prime was 7.95#...built up w/ a reverb it weighs 31.8
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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    chili and a rune v2? wow. i'd like to hear your thoughts on the two bikes and what you prefer.
    I must have read your comment to my post 10x's and I must admit that I just can't make sense of it. What does chili have anything to do with it other than making me hungry?!

    HOLLA!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxking45 View Post
    I must have read your comment to my post 10x's and I must admit that I just can't make sense of it. What does chili have anything to do with it other than making me hungry?!

    HOLLA!!!

    Just guessing but I would guess he thinks you own a Knolly Chicoltin as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxking45 View Post
    I must have read your comment to my post 10x's and I must admit that I just can't make sense of it. What does chili have anything to do with it other than making me hungry?!

    HOLLA!!!
    duh! my mistake. OldschoolBMXer has a chili and i confused the two of you. just saw the "bmx" part and brain vapor locked. my bad

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    Finally got all the parts after close to 4 weeks after getting my frame. About 2 pounds heavier then I hoped for at close to 35pds. Besides the fork I can not figure out where all the extra weight is compared to the other frame on here that I saw with the CCDB Air. That one came in at 33pds.
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    Rune CCDB Air Option

    My warranty replacement is in queue, and after seeing some of the V2s built up, I can't wait.

    Quick question, when I was conversing with Trident, I was told the CCDB Air wasn't an option. I am more than willing to chip in a bit more for the upgrade.

    Anyone have the low down if Trident allows this upgrade option? If so, I would like to go that route. Any assistance with this is greatly appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason3559 View Post
    My warranty replacement is in queue, and after seeing some of the V2s built up, I can't wait.

    Quick question, when I was conversing with Trident, I was told the CCDB Air wasn't an option. I am more than willing to chip in a bit more for the upgrade.

    Anyone have the low down if Trident allows this upgrade option? If so, I would like to go that route. Any assistance with this is greatly appreciated.
    I am pretty sure if you go to the thread below Trident said it is a $200 upgrade with them once they are available. Post number 93.

    "We have Cane Creek Double Barrel Airs on order with Banshee for Legends, Primes, Runes and Spitfires. We are receiving our first shipment for Runes next week and will have the ones for the other models available by the beginning of February.

    They are only sold with a frame since we are not an authorized Distributor.

    The boys from Banshee have been really impressed with the performance and say that they are worth the $200 up charge over the Fox offering. I personally have minimal experience with the DB air, except for one ride on the first generation, so I'm looking forward to trying a properly tuned one in the future.
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