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    2014 Spitfire V2 27.5 buildthread

    Hi Mtbr
    I want to share the build of my new wet dream I've had a real hard time deciding which frame to purchase for my new all-mountain bike. I wanted carbon, 27.5, new-shcool geo with long-ish reach, low bb, short rear and a not to slack or steep headangle. I searched for a frame that would suit my taste for quite som time but I couldn't find one that I would want to pay for with my hard earned cash. I decided to go aluminium frame quickly chose the new Spitfire. I think it's going to match my riding style perfectly

    Opting for aluminium gave some room in my build budget to go crazy ... so this is where I'm at:

    Frame Spitfire V2 27.5 Large Bright Blue
    Headset CaneCreek Forty
    Rear shock FOX Float X
    Fork Rockshox Pike RCT3 DP
    Stem Syntace Megaforce Ti 50mm
    Handlebar Boobar Jerome Clemenz edt 750mm
    Drivetrain SRAM XX1 Trigger
    Brakes XTR M987 180mm discs
    Wheels Enve 27.5 AM 32h
    Seatpost RS Reverb
    Saddle Specialized Phenom Pro

    I have all the parts ready. I'm just waiting for the frame to be finished off and shipped to Denmark. I can't wait

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    I'm looking forward to some more details of your spitfire build. Just a few weeks ago I finished my blue Spitfire V2 build so I'm quite interested.. especially at what weight you'll end up. Definitely not a low-budget build you're going for there ;-)

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    Feel free to post a picture of your bike here mate. I'd like to see it!

    I have a real hard time staying in control when I go shopping for parts. I guess things add up in the end
    I don't know what it's going to weigh. I'm hoping under 27 with pedals tho

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    My pile of parts came to life.

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    12.9 kg or 28.4 lbs with pedals.

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    Those wheels are lush.

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    Lovely build, :-)

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    Very nice build! How tall are you? I'm 190 cm (6'3") and thinking about a large...
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    I'm 189 cm on an XL and can't imagine fitting on a Large. I suggest XL with short stem and center-mount dropper seatpost for proper 'in the bike' fit. But that's just me.

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    It all depends on preferances and body proporions. I'm 189cm with fairly long legs and arms and ride a large with 50mm stem and 785mm wide bars... works for me.
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    just to chime in, im 6 foot 2 and a half/ 190 cm and an XL fits me perfectly. I've got long arms for my height though. I rode a Large rune and was far too cramped on it, although I note the top tube is .2 inches longer on a spitty for the equivalent size

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    nice bike you have there looking forward to my 2014 Spitfire frame comes

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    I have been too busy riding to post my build until now. I picked it up about 4 weeks ago.

    So far so good! This bike feels incredibly good at high speeds and even helped me to my best ever race result in a recent enduro (4th!).

    Build is with CCDBA (non-cs version), 650b wheels/dropouts, Pike at 150mm, SLX brakes and derailleur, Zee shifter, Race Face Turbine cranks with 32t Narrow-Wide, MRP AMG guide, Chromag kit (bars, stem, seat, pedals), Minion DHF/High Roller II tire combo, KS LEV dropper.

    It's a fairly heavy build at 32.25 lbs, but I ride hard and don't want to worry about parts failing on me again.

    Brand New:
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    2 Weeks in after the first enduro:
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    Last weekend near Mt. Rainier:
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    Dropper and 800g+ tires are the real weight killers. Nice looking build though. Guessing you do a lot of downhill?

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    I run a similar set-up, but with 2x9, also around 32lb, on rocky trails in the mountains = sturdy tires. Tires with light casing won't hold up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autocratic View Post
    Dropper and 800g+ tires are the real weight killers. Nice looking build though. Guessing you do a lot of downhill?
    Yeah I ride everything and only have 1 bike right now, so it will need to handle some DH type trails, enduro racing, some jump lines, xc outings, and maybe even a little bikepacking.

    And I can't stand flimsy tires. These tires are far more sturdy and grip way better than my old Dirty Dans, but I can definitely feel the extra weight and rolling resistance.

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    I'm starting out with some specialized tires. Butcher control front purgatory grid rear. Not too far off from your maxxis weight but I'm hoping they still roll well.

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    Question for spitfire owners. I'm looking to get into a spitfire and currently own a 2014 transition covert 650b. I'd like to just switch my build kit over but I can't get by the long chain stays with the 650b dropouts. 17.4" is a very long chain stay for a modern aggressive trail bike. Curious to know your thoughts on this and how it rides compared to other high end trail bikes out there. I love the feeling of short chain stays for manualling and railing corners so its the only thing about the bike that puts me off.

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    I went from a medium 2013 covert (26") and switched to a large 2014 spitfire (650b), so I can understand your worries about the long chainstays - especially since I like to play around a lot with jumps, manuals, etc.

    However, the handling of a bike is much more than just chainstay length. Even then, a ~10mm increase in length over the entire 430mm lever arm only comes out to about 2.3% increase. Taking all other factors into consideration, how much will you notice it? I say not much - the different suspension makes a far more noticeable difference in my opinion. (I also went from a Fox Float CTDa to a CCDBa for the shock, which was a very welcome improvement).

    I also really do like the design and construction of the Banshee more.....with the exception of how small in diameter the pivots are (8mm and 12mm). The transition has much larger pivots (10mm and 15mm), which is extra piece of mind (though I'm not sure it's necessary since the spitfire and rune use the same bearings, and the rune seems plenty sturdy )

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    There are quite a few of us that run the Spitfire V2 with 650b wheels with 26" drop-outs. There is enough clearance for non-oversized 2.3" tires.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik_Yerbouti View Post
    Question for spitfire owners. I'm looking to get into a spitfire and currently own a 2014 transition covert 650b. I'd like to just switch my build kit over but I can't get by the long chain stays with the 650b dropouts. 17.4" is a very long chain stay for a modern aggressive trail bike. Curious to know your thoughts on this and how it rides compared to other high end trail bikes out there. I love the feeling of short chain stays for manualling and railing corners so its the only thing about the bike that puts me off.

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    I got my 2014 Spitfire CCDBACS yesterday, what a awesome bike





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    Orange Spitfire

    Spitfire in orange.. awesome ride matched with the Pike DP

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    Spitfire v2 650b

    Just got it built up couple of weeks ago. Still having some minor "tweaks" here n there.

    Spitfire -size Medium
    Shock Cane Creek Inline
    Fork Rockshox PIKE RCT3
    Drivetrain X1
    Brakes SRAM Guide RS
    Renthal -"FatBar" Lite Carbon Bar+40mm stem+Kevlar Grips
    Wheelset Chris King hubs with ZTR Flow EX 650b rims
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    Sweet ride!

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    @Ro88y
    What is that rear derailleur guard??
    Have snapped two Zee's in the last couple of months, bit tired of that ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ro88y View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofoed View Post
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    What is that rear derailleur guard??
    Have snapped two Zee's in the last couple of months, bit tired of that ..
    x2

    looks like it's handmade, did you make it by yourself? or is it on the market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofoed View Post
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    What is that rear derailleur guard??
    Have snapped two Zee's in the last couple of months, bit tired of that ..
    Yea, it is a RD/Cable guard, still a prototype though...!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
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    looks like it's handmade, did you make it by yourself? or is it on the market?
    Yea fabricated it myself with carbon fibers, it was actually meant for my previous bike (Rune v2 -26"). As I kept breaking/bending the hanger so often, I decided to DIY a guard to minimized the damage. But never get around to finish it up till i got my new Spitty.

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    anyone have width measurements between the rear CS ? curious if 26+ or 650b+ will live within.

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    Holy moly that Spitfire in the OP is sweet! Best looking Spitfire I've seen so far! Nice weight too. Have fun with it, but I'm sure that won't be a problem

    I have my eyes on a Spitfire. The frame isn't so expensive and the few reviews that I can find are mostly positive. How do you guys like it? How does it climb? It would be my first AM rig. I currently own a Cotic Soul and a 2Souls Quarterhorse and I think the Spitfire would be a nice addition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    There are quite a few of us that run the Spitfire V2 with 650b wheels with 26" drop-outs. There is enough clearance for non-oversized 2.3" tires.
    Could you post a pic of the clearance and what tires are you using? I was just thinking of this and found your post.

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    Sorry I can't, just switched to the 142x12 650b drop outs a month ago.
    When I was running the 26" drop outs I used a Hutchinson Torro 2.3 and it cleared fine, any low knob/fast rolling tire should work OK as long as you don't go over the common 2.3-2.35 size.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hangtime View Post
    Could you post a pic of the clearance and what tires are you using? I was just thinking of this and found your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangtime View Post
    Could you post a pic of the clearance and what tires are you using? I was just thinking of this and found your post.
    Unfortunately no pic at the moment, but I´m using 650B HansDampf 2.25 in the 26 dropouts. There´s 7-8mm clearance between the middle knobs and the middle square-brace (neutral flip chip setting), which is the tightest area. Should be around 5-7mm clearance with any average 2.3 tire ...

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    what are the geometry changes with running 27.5 wheels in 26 dropouts?

    I'd have thought only ones are: head angle, seat angle, wheelbase, BB height (or is that the same as the 27.5 dropouts geo?)

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    what are the geometry changes with running 27.5 wheels in 26 dropouts?

    I'd have thought only ones are: head angle, seat angle, wheelbase, BB height (or is that the same as the 27.5 dropouts geo?)


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    BB height only I'd say, you're only lifting both ends the same amount??

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1tch666 View Post
    BB height only I'd say, you're only lifting both ends the same amount??
    This, if nothing else is changed (fork, for example). Plus 10mm longer chain stays when running the 650B-specific dropouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1tch666 View Post
    BB height only I'd say, you're only lifting both ends the same amount??
    I'd guess the fork a2c would change too, depending on travel, so you might be lifting the front more than the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    I'd guess the fork a2c would change too, depending on travel, so you might be lifting the front more than the rear?
    Nope, if all you're doing is swapping wheels the difference in height will be because of the height difference from ground to axle, anything else has no effect, doesn't matter. A2C might change but not in relation to anything relevant as the change should mirror the raise from ground to axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1tch666 View Post
    Nope, if all you're doing is swapping wheels the difference in height will be because of the height difference from ground to axle, anything else has no effect, doesn't matter. A2C might change but not in relation to anything relevant as the change should mirror the raise from ground to axle.
    You can't likely put 27.5" wheels/tires on a 26" fork.

    The Geometry chart calls out 545mm a2c for both wheelsizes, which suggests they are assuming something like a 160mm fork on the 26" and a 150 on the 27.5"? Maybe Keith can confirm.

    Looks like the difference in a2c lengths between 26" and 27.5" Pike is about 10mm- not much but that would change the head angle about .5 degree, given the same travel. The offset is also different which would affect the wheelbase.

    PS, I have a spitty on the way, pretty stoked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    You can't likely put 27.5" wheels/tires on a 26" fork.

    The Geometry chart calls out 545mm a2c for both wheelsizes, which suggests they are assuming something like a 160mm fork on the 26" and a 150 on the 27.5"? Maybe Keith can confirm.

    Looks like the difference in a2c lengths between 26" and 27.5" Pike is about 10mm- not much but that would change the head angle about .5 degree, given the same travel. The offset is also different which would affect the wheelbase.

    PS, I have a spitty on the way, pretty stoked!
    Yip, but the question was changing only wheels. That would be like lifting your bike slightly but evenly. A lot of 650 wheels with smaller size tyres would be same rolling radius as 26 with bigger tyres....change the fork and the different sizes come into it to work the offset and a2c. 650 drop outs just add 10mm on length of wheelbase for clearance......my 650 wheels fit under my 26" 150mm revs (just). Didn't change any angles just lessened my clearance front and back (wouldn't like to ride it with the front clearance)

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    Can anyone clarify one moment...
    My Spitty's bb width - 73mm, i Use Sram GXP bb and Sram X01 cranks. According manual with 73mm bb i should'nt use spacer rings, but if i do so i can't get all together propertly - too big gab on ds!
    Maybe there must be one ring on ds?
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    New whip

    This will be replacing my Prime, which I had two great seasons on. Picked it up off the pinkbike classifieds (it was a banshee demo) and threw on some upgrades. Three rides on it so far, good times!

    • Medium Spitfire Frame
    • CCDB CS Air
    • Fox 36 2015 @ 160mm, 20mm axle!
    • Light Bicycles carbon 38mm wide rims
    • Hope Pro2 hubs with XD driver
    • Straitline pedals, 35mm stem, bar end caps
    • Raceface Next SL cranks, 32t
    • Raceface Sixc carbon bars, 780mm
    • KS Lev post
    • Sram X1 shifters, cassette, r der
    • Guide R brakes, 180f, 160r
    • Maxxis HR2 tires, 2.4 exo (Great tires but will probably replace these with something lighter/faster soon)



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    Beauty!
    Similar to mine! Same size, same color!

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    Very nice Spitfire FM!

    Do you run 650Bs? Would be nice to have your impressions after some riding-time, especially while compared to the Prime.

    Have fun with the Spitfire - I´m happily going to take mine into the third season ...

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    Thank you both

    Yes they're 27.5".

    So far compared to the Prime- it's more fun descending: easier to change lines at the last minute, quicker through corners, far more confidence inspiring on jumps/drops....that is all what I was hoping for.

    It does also feel less efficient on the pedally bits and long service road climbs. That was to be expected, hopefully light tires will help.

    Keeping my AM 29" hardtail for the more XC rides.

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    Yes, the HR 2´s are great tires for traction in various conditions, but do have quite some rolling-resistance.
    Do you have a regular CCDB or is it the VX-can with CS? Mine is a regular and with two more clicks LSC/LSR from the base-tune the rear is full active all the time, but has very little bob. So should be not much of a problem to get an efficient rear suspension for pedaling.

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    It's the XV can with the climb switch. I am not sure if it has any volume spacers. I am running the base tune posted on Banshees site with +1 click of LSR and LSC.

    The bike pedals great!

    Suspension nerd time: I have been messing with the volume spacers in the 36. Wow this fork is amazingly adjustable. What I've come to understand:
    More volume spacers / more progressive: allows you to run lower pressure which allows for a more supple feel without bottoming out. But this also takes away some of the midstroke support. Feels really plush but not as good for aggressive, pumpy riding.
    Fewer volume spacers/less progressive: requires higher pressure to prevent bottom out, but this creates more midstroke support. I liked this set up as I could push the fork into berms and roller faces without the fork absorbing my energy so much.

    The weird thing yesterday was for a while, I had the front set up plush while the back felt supportive- although both felt great, that was not a good combo. So I need to get things balanced.

    Oh and on wheel size. I am of the shcool of thought that it makes sense for wheels to be proportionate to height. At 175cm, I had many days where the Prime felt invincible, but others where I felt like it was a bit much bike & inertia for my size (especially when tired/drunk/lazy). So I'll not be taking a stance on wheelsize, I think it largely comes down to rider height/weight.

    Fun!

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    Hmmm ... there were additional volume-reducer-spacers that came with the frame-kit. You should have received them too ... ?!? I´m not sure if they are already installed for the VX versions ...

    For the suspension-setup: Time to play again!
    My setup is more on the firmer side for most of my rides = max. 25% sag on both shock and fork (BOS Deville). A bit more pressure and therefor only as much damping as needed. This way I have it very smooth and sensitive for small-bumps, a wide range of mid-stroke and enough progression for the big stuff. It took some time, but I´m pretty happy how well it feels.

    Can´t and don´t want to comment on the wheel size, too!
    I have no experience with 29er bikes, just went for 650B with the Spitfire after a few weeks and never looked back ...

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    I need to replace the rear axle due to the Allen holes stripping out. Has anyone tried or knows what after market axle will also fit? I have heard that a RS maxle light will work but have not had the opportunity to confirm it. I am not sure what thread pattern the stock banshee axle is running.

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    It uses maxle standard dropouts, so a maxle will work just fine, as will all maxle standard axles on the market.
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    Awesome, thanks for the info.

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