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    2013 Spitfire

    What do we know so far?

    Does it have bearings?
    Adjustable geometry? Looks like there could be adjustable geo built into the dropouts.
    Geo specs?

    27.5" compatible dropouts as option

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    yes from what I understand all new bikes will have INA bearings through out with a better design of keeping things together. tighten the pivot bolts right on to the bearing races, I hope without the nylon washers cause they cause allot of drag and can produce annoying noise.

    the new spitty also has 140 mm rear travel instead of the 130 mm of the current version. together with the KS link this will make it a whole other bike i'm sure. the current version allready has quite a bottomloss feel so i'm very interested how the new version will ride.

    the double shock adjustment isn't used much, people prefer the slack setting so they might aswell add the option to change geo on the dropout itself. geo i'm very curious about cause I absolutly love my current spitty, allthough I need to run a 400 mm seatpost at allmost max (I think 13 cm inside the frame) to achieve propper flat-xc pedaling height. this is on a medium frame and i'm 1.78 m. I really hope they change it a bit so it's easier to use a dropper, and for the sake of being safe. that really is my only point of attention for a new version.
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    im soooo waiting for this ever since i took a peek at their "unreleased" brochure.

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    I think Banshee needs to start making 12 X 142 thru-axles for all their upcoming models. I believe this is the new standard for good reason. It makes the rear end a whole lot stiffer. I know my spitfire is like a noodle in the rear, be it from the loose bushings/frame wear or inherent flex. I know my rampant could benefit from a 12x142 thru-axle, too.

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    I'd suggest they start small and work on a non self-destructing suspension pivot design before going on to work on incorporating new axle standards, 650b compatible dropouts, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I'd suggest they start small and work on a non self-destructing suspension pivot design before going on to work on incorporating new axle standards, 650b compatible dropouts, etc.
    Like the bearing system they are using on the 2013's? It's pretty well proven on the Legends, and there haven't been any probs on the Primes either.
    Dropout designs are pretty simple in the scheme of things....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I'd suggest they start small and work on a non self-destructing suspension pivot design before going on to work on incorporating new axle standards, 650b compatible dropouts, etc.
    Man, what an ignorant and pointless comment.

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    I'm a bitter soon to be former Spitfire owner...I'm only speaking from my experience unless you feel having 2-3 mm of vertical play in the lower linkage is normal after 4 rides with new pivots and bushings. That said, I do enjoy the way the bikes rides as they totally nailed the geometry, but I'm (and many others - just look at the Rune bushing thread) done dealing with this headache.

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    Saw this posted on facebook:

    Spotted: New Banshee 26″ Long Travel Bike - Bike Rumor

    The seat brace reminds me of the Spitfire but I guess this proto is not the new SF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitewerks View Post
    Saw this posted on facebook:

    Spotted: New Banshee 26″ Long Travel Bike - Bike Rumor

    The seat brace reminds me of the Spitfire but I guess this proto is not the new SF?
    i hope its not the new spitfire. looks like dodo

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    ^ That's the new Spitfire. I really hope they make dropouts to shorten the rear also.

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    That isn't a spitfire
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    Look again, Mr. Darwin

    Quote Originally Posted by gunt pimp View Post
    i hope its not the new spitfire. looks like dodo
    I'm not seeing the resemblance. Dodos have more of a hydroformed, Norco/Specialized curvilinear shape. This looks more like a Rune V2 to me, and from where I'm sitting it's pretty awesome: nice & angular. If the Spitfire follows suit, I think it'll be a winner.

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    hmmm...

    provided examples do illustrate differences.
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    Any news on when it will be out? I just transferred the parts from my 2011 Spitty to my old Yeti Seven frame. Seems pointless to start screwing around with axle replacements and such when a new version is going to be out soon, but my Spitty just didn’t ride right anymore - and unlike the Seven, it doesn’t have that many miles on it. I wonder if they will let me trade up to the Rune…

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    I can´t quote for other countries, but in Germany the new Runes and Spitfires are to expected in November 2012. I´ve heard that there might be earlier Releases (August) for the US-Market.

    BTW, the neon Bike above seems like that is the large Proto-Rune Jon was seen on ...

    Quote Originally Posted by juanbeegas View Post
    That's the new Spitfire. I really hope they make dropouts to shorten the rear also.
    From the Picture and judging by the look I would say Banshee did exactly that, next to some other amazing Geo-Refinements ...

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    Hmm, Banshee has a new Rune 2013 video on their site. Says October...

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    Well, there may be delays ...
    I could imagine that the Production is under hot fire to get them out in autumn, just after Euro/Interbike ...

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    We will be shipping these out in a bit over a month or so (aiming for 6 weeks time) to the distributors who placed orders. But you have to take into acount shipping times, generally shipping to distributor takes about 3 weeks, and then they have to sort the stock out and ship on to dealers... so October-November is realistic.
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    Thanks for the info Keith
    Think I have to fix my order asap, to become the first and proud new Spitty-Owner in Germany

    By the way: Why no 135x12 (Thrue-Axle/Maxle) Dropout? Is this becoming a dead "Standard"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post

    By the way: Why no 135x12 (Thrue-Axle/Maxle) Dropout? Is this becoming a dead "Standard"?
    I don't feel there is much demand for this... 142x12 is fast becoming the closest bolt through standard, and 135x10 can always be set up with a bolt up hub. Personally I am not a big fan of multiple standards, I'd much rather that the whole industry settled on one good standard, but since companies keep creating new standards and marketing them as the best to make more money from people who feel the need to upgrade, I feel have to offer customers a wide range of options to save them money.

    I wouldn't recommend one dropout standard over any other (although I never recommend QR options, as bolt up 135x10 hubs are far stiffer and often same weight), it really just comes down to what rear hub you have. The dropout optons are only offered to make make sure the majority of customers don't have to buy a another new wheelset or converter kit if they want this frame, as they can specify the dropout to go with their wheel of choice.
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    Is the '13 Spitfire designed specifically for a 160mm fork? I was hoping it'd be fine with 140-150mm (I already have a 140mm fork & would like to keep using it).

    Glad to see Banshee coming back strong!

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    Oh well, thank you Keith for insight.
    It was just a thought, because while I´m going to purchase a Spitfire, I seriously think to keep my Wildcard, too. First Spitfire Built-Up would be with 26ers, so I could have the opportunity to switch Wheels first, save some money and upgrade later. My Rear Hub is convertable between QR and 135x12. As an option: 135x10 and DT-Swiss RWS works fine, from what I´ve heard.
    But I have noticed that the 650B-Dropouts are 142x12 only, so this becomes not that important point any more when switching to this Wheelsize ...

    Greetings and congratulations for the great upcoming Banshee Line-Up
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    I wouldn't say the spitfire V2 is designed specifically for a 160mm fork. anything in 140-160mm range should work fine on it. It's up to you to pick the fork that will suit your needs best when considering how it will affect geometry. I personally like a stiff and slightly higher than average front end so have opted for a 160mm fork on mine. 140mm will work, but will steepen the head angle by about 1 degree and drop the BB about 0.3".
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Oh well, thank you Keith for insight.
    It was just a thought, because while I´m going to purchase a Spitfire, I seriously think to keep my Wildcard, too. First Spitfire Built-Up would be with 26ers, so I could have the opportunity to switch Wheels first, save some money and upgrade later. My Rear Hub is convertable between QR and 135x12. As an option: 135x10 and DT-Swiss RWS works fine, from what I´ve heard.
    But I have noticed that the 650B-Dropouts are 142x12 only, so this becomes not that important point any more when switching to this Wheelsize ...

    Greetings and congratulations for the great upcoming Banshee Line-Up
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    650B options may increase with demand... we are just testing the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    650B options may increase with demand... we are just testing the water.
    I will test this as soon as possible. 140 mm Back, 150 mm, maybe 160 mm Front, with 650B and the given Geometry sounds like a great All-Terrain Trail-Bike for the next Years to me.
    If you are looking for Rider-Feedback on this I would gladly give it to you

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    I'm always very happy to get feedback from customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I wouldn't say the spitfire V2 is designed specifically for a 160mm fork. anything in 140-160mm range should work fine on it. It's up to you to pick the fork that will suit your needs best when considering how it will affect geometry. I personally like a stiff and slightly higher than average front end so have opted for a 160mm fork on mine. 140mm will work, but will steepen the head angle by about 1 degree and drop the BB about 0.3".
    Good to hear! 140mm is good for my local trails which are just rough in sections. 140mm is just enough to make things fun (currently on an Evil Sovereign hardtail). The less I have to upgrade for a new frame, the better.

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    builttoride

    I have a few bikes in my 'collection' right now, the next one I am building is going to be a 650b, and am VERY MUCH looking forward to the 2013 Spitty! thanks fore the info!

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    Oct. for the Rune v2. dont know about the other bikes.

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    Expect the Spitfire after the Rune production run, so possibly 6 weeks after Runes arrive would be a semi safe bet.

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    This bike is looking pretty sweet!! Like the new suspension design.

    Keith, how is the anti-squat characteristics of the new design compared to the old?

    When will the geo specs be released? or have I just missed seeing them somewhere.

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    The antisquat characteristics of the spitfire V2 are a bit more neutral than the V1 frame to give less pedal kickback, but the antisquat is still more than most frames out there in that category. So in a granny ring you will not feel quite as much pedal kickback (has been reduced almost 40%), but there will still be antisquat to help keep the geometry in a good position for climbing and offering fast acceleration with a nice rearward axle path.

    Specs will be released soon... stay tuned.
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    From Bike Rumor.

    Now I want to upgrade to the new Spitty
    A bit hard to do with no distro in NZ.
    Still lovin' my current one though.

    One day, she will be mine.

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    absolutly f'n sick! I won't be tempted to screw my trip to whistlah next year tho, this sexy beast will have to wait.

    one thing i'm curious about, why wouldn't you push the INA bearings in articles like this? it boosts a whole lotta confidence over the mass-used cheaper stuff. why not brag about it so people know it is build to last.
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    The 27.5" possibility on the Spitfire and Rune is so smart right now. It's futureproofing for everyone who might otherwise be holding out on buying a new frame until the standards have settled a bit. I guess most downhill oriented riders are considering either 26" or 27.5" as 29" mostly has it's benefits in the XC arena. Here you can have it both

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    Yes, the versatility of the new Rune and Spitfire is even more outstanding, whether Axle-Standards or Wheelsize.
    My first built will have my previous 26ers, but as soon as finances allow it I´m going to buy a lightish 27.5 Wheelset to check out what to keep, or even keep both...

    By the way: Does anyone have an overview about the upcoming Forks for 27.5/650B?
    From what I know, Fox will offer a 34er Talas and Float with 140 or 160 mm Travel, RockShox a 32er Revelation with 150 mm Travel, X-Fusion the 34er Slant with 160 mm maximum Travel. Are there some more to come?

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    In a fit of anticipation last week I ordered some 650b rims, tires and spokes.

    From what I read on the 650b forum, my R/S 26" Lyrik will (barely) fit a 650b wheel with a 2.35" Nevegal which is what I ordered. I'm hoping to delay getting a fork until I know I like larger wheels. With luck R/S will make a 650b Lyrik by then and I can just swap out the lowers on what I already have.

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    Good idea with swap out the lowers on the Lyrik, if that´s possible (own a 2008 U-Turn Coil)! I have to keep that in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Good idea with swap out the lowers on the Lyrik, if that´s possible (own a 2008 U-Turn Coil)! I have to keep that in mind.
    Or just use a wider rim

    the new rune looks impressive, but will not replace my Wildcard yet...

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    I'm wondering if the v2 Spitfire has shorter chainstays? One of the weakness of the spitfire was it's lack of playfulness/jumpability and difficult in manualing. Not sure if it was due to the longer chainstays or longer wheelbase; both of which helped the bike climb uphill, however. On the descents it is more of a gravity sled sticking to the ground, but unpredictable and uncomfortable in the air. Any modifications to make the bike more playful and agile? I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha-de View Post
    I'm wondering if the v2 Spitfire has shorter chainstays? One of the weakness of the spitfire was it's lack of playfulness/jumpability and difficult in manualing. Not sure if it was due to the longer chainstays or longer wheelbase; both of which helped the bike climb uphill, however. On the descents it is more of a gravity sled sticking to the ground, but unpredictable and uncomfortable in the air. Any modifications to make the bike more playful and agile? I wonder?
    The Spitfire V2 chainstay is indeed a bit shorter (6mm) as the bike has been designed to be a bit more playful whilst still being just as efficienct and fast.
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    The Chainstays of the V2 varies between 427 mm to 431 mm for 26ers, depending on the Geometrysetting (the slacker, the longer). For 650B wheels add 10 mm.

    Judging by this ...




    ... there is plenty of Tire-Clearance and there might be a chance to shorten them slightly even more, if demanded, simply via shorter Dropouts.
    From my personal experience Chainstays around 430 mm and a bit shorter should give enough of a playful feel ...

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    Might have missed it buy any frame weights released?

    Standover? I'm a short inseamed rider who will need a size Small frame for sure.
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    @builttoride :

    I'm planning on getting a Spitfire next year. The guy at the banshee booth (Eurobike) told me there will be only two shock options : Fox or DBair. Would there be a way to get the frame -out of the box- with a BOS shock, say a Vip'r ?

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    You could just order it with no shock, and put whatever you want on there.

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    Of course. Just thought it could be great to have BOS as an option as well.

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    I'm afraid we can't offer every shock out there, as we have to make minimum order sizes from manufacturers. If you speak to your distributor / dealer you should be able to get frame without shock if you wish.
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    Can anyone tell me the i2i length of the 2013 spitfire?
    Will i be able to retain my old shock for the new spitfire?

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