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    Quote Originally Posted by superQ View Post
    13.85kg as shown on the pictures.
    Enjoy

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    Oh yeah, me like!! Very nice indeed.

    Is that BOS stuff internally adjustable for travel? Their upcoming 650B fork would be nice in a 140 or 150 travel setting depending on the A/C height.

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    Thanks !!

    I've been riding on BOS suspensions since 2009. I have BOS suspensions on my DH bike and I'm very happy with them so I went for a Deville on the Spitfire.

    In my opinion, what really set BOS apart from other brands (Fox, Marzocchi, RS etc.) is the quality and the simplicity of the cartridge (open bath with no fuzzy damping system. Only shims and oil). They don't rely on new-fancy-aerospace-japanese-plastic technologies, they just engineer and build quality products.


    The Deville is no exception. It sticks to the ground, gives a lot of traction while still keeping a lively feel. Thus, I found their TRC system really clever. Instead of simply locking the fork, it increases the stiffness of the air spring. So you have all the advantages of a lockout system in terms of pedaling efficiency, but still have a fork that filters the terrain (roots or rocks for example).
    The weight is also pretty competitive compared to other brands out there.


    So I'm very happy with the fork and stongly recommend it.

    PS: No travel adjust. The reason is that the air spring chamber is slightly different on the 140 and 160mm. And from what I know (I'm from France) there's no plans for travel adjust, but who knows....BOS often suddenly come out with new stuff.
    For those of you that want more info about BOS products, feel free to send me a PM. (I don't work for/with BOS, I'm just one of the biggest enthusiasts of the brand here in France....and possibly on earth ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by superQ View Post
    ... In my opinion, what really set BOS apart from other brands (Fox, Marzocchi, RS etc.) is the quality and the simplicity of the cartridge (open bath with no fuzzy damping system. Only shims and oil). They don't rely on new-fancy-aerospace-japanese-plastic technologies, they just engineer and build quality products.

    The Deville is no exception. It sticks to the ground, gives a lot of traction while still keeping a lively feel. Thus, I found their TRC system really clever. Instead of simply locking the fork, it increases the stiffness of the air spring. So you have all the advantages of a lockout system in terms of pedaling efficiency, but still have a fork that filters the terrain (roots or rocks for example).
    The weight is also pretty competitive compared to other brands out there.

    So I'm very happy with the fork and stongly recommend it ...
    Me too!

    I went for the Deville on my Spitfire because of simple Adjustment (Air-Pressure, HSC, LSC, Rebound) - and for itīs Plenty of Tire-Clearance which fits a 650B up to 2.35 in the regular 26-Fork. Plus the Opportunity of still going with 20 mm Thruaxle and 1 1/8 Steerer (makes for a ZS-Angleset).

    Mine is without TRC - after Years of Travel-Adjustment I wanted to keep Suspension-Settings as simple as possible - set and forget. The Spitfireīs Geometry and KS-Link is pretty unique and dialled and at least doesnīt really require Platform or lowering the Fork.

    The Manufacturing-Quality is Top-Notch and reminds me of the good old Bologna-made-Marzocchis, if not better. BOS is expensive, but the Deville is one of the lightest and stiffest Forks in the 160 mm Travel-Range. Beautyfull made and awesome Performance.

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    When I mentioned travel adjustment I didn't mean like a Talas or Dual position Air. Just meant could you adjust it internally either with a spacer or the pin in ladder system like X-Fusion uses.

    No Style, what 650 2.35" tire you running in that 26" fork? Have any pics of clearance at the arch and especially the bottom of the crown at full bottom out (all air out of the fork). Also what's the A/C height @ 160mm?

    I'd have to research the TRC more but Air-Pressure, HSC, LSC, Rebound would cover it for me. The new US distributor is in the next state over so that's convenient should I decide to buy.

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    No you can't adjust the travel internally (with spacers etc.) because you would also have to adjust the air chamber accordingly and BOS does not provide any info or parts to do so.

    Still, I guess they can do it for you but the move will be permanent (if you would like to go back to the original travel you would need send them the fork again). And their policy about this adjustment is not really clear. They seem a bit reluctant.


    Here's some detailed info about how the TRC (Twin Rate Curve) works :
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    Source : BOS Suspension.


    The red curve is with TRC "off" and the blue one with TRC "on".
    So the curve remains the same on the first mm of travel to ensure consistent grip. Afterwards, the curve gets more progressive (with TRC "on"). So the fork will only respond to bigger hits (say rocks or holes) and stay stiff enough to climb easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    When I mentioned travel adjustment I didn't mean like a Talas or Dual position Air. Just meant could you adjust it internally either with a spacer or the pin in ladder system like X-Fusion uses.

    No Style, what 650 2.35" tire you running in that 26" fork? Have any pics of clearance at the arch and especially the bottom of the crown at full bottom out (all air out of the fork). Also what's the A/C height @ 160mm?

    I'd have to research the TRC more but Air-Pressure, HSC, LSC, Rebound would cover it for me. The new US distributor is in the next state over so that's convenient should I decide to buy.
    As far as I know there is no Possibility to adjust Travel via internal Spacers or something like that. The Deville offers 160, 170 or 140 (new AM) fixed Travel.

    TRC means internal reducing the Travel to more progressive 100 mm without affecting A-to-C-Height.

    Iīm running 2.25 650B Tires. The Pictures with 2.35 Tires, fully compressed, have unfortunately been deleted. If I remember correctly there was 5 mm Clearance with 2.35ers, on both Arch and Crown. I can quickly post a Picture with my 2.25 Hans Dampf tomorrow.

    A-to-C-Height is about 545 mm (26-Version).

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    Excellent info, thanks guys

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    Did you guys receive volume reduction spacers with your DBAirs (coming stock with the frame) ?
    If so, were they already installed ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    ... No Style, what 650 2.35" tire you running in that 26" fork? Have any pics of clearance at the arch and especially the bottom of the crown at full bottom out (all air out of the fork) ...
    Hi Skidad,

    if you want I can do another Picture fully compressed during the Weekend. Didnīt had the Time yesterday...
    As you can see, around 10 mm Clearance with Schwalbe HansDampf 2.25. The 2.35 has a few Millimeters tighter Clearance.

    I would recommend waiting for the 650B-Deville when it has to be BOS, same for the 650B-Dropouts (or both) when you want to keep the Spitfire. I know that a 650B 2.25 Tire does well on most of my Riding and a few Months ago I could not have imagined that the bigger Wheels turned out to my favorite Size - thatīs the Reason to went with 650B-non-specific-Fork from the Start, knowing the Deville offers the most Tire-Clearance and would work fine. If Things change to bigger Tires most of the Time I maybe have the Possibility to get a new 650B-Casting and be 650B Full-In.
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    Thanks for the pics No Style. More than enough clearance for the 2.25". Some of the bigger 2.35's could get tight (or even bigger 2.4's) but I'll bet most would still fit. Lot's of clearance for a 26" fork using 650B wheels.

    Yeah, I will wait and see about the upcoming 650 fork. No rush but an interest for sure. I have the White Bros. Loop to work with in the mean time (including custom blue decal set for it from Slick Graphics. White Bros. kindly supplied the decal file for these to reproduced. Blue theme going on my raw frame. Stan's decals in blue also). Even though the Loop is a full 650B fork it's A/C is low @ 534mm for 150 travel so there will be a fine line between HA and BB height setting this thing up. Soon, has to be ready before the July 4th weekend. FINALLY have my Hadley XX1 driver body on it's way. That has taken forever to be finished. I'll be using the 26" drops in 12x142 for now but as soon as those new 650B drops are ready I'm on it.

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    Yes, the Deville offers very much Clearance. As mentioned - with Schwalbe HD 2.35 the Clearance is still 5 to 7 mm! By the way: the 2.35 HD is nearly as big as the 2.4 Maxxis Highroller II - at least both 26-Versions have the same Dimensions.

    As for the (low) A/C of the WB Loop: Does the Fork have Tapered Steerer? Have you thought about going with Angleset? From what I know the only Option of going external (lower) Headset-Cup on ZS44/56 Headtubes and to raise the BB a little ...

    Iīm going to purchase some new Dropouts too when they are available. Till then Iīm pretty much clear about a fixed Wheelsize, because for now 650B feels so right, but like to keep the shorter Chainstays ...

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    Tapered fork on the Loop and head set installed already. Not a fan of the external cup "look" anyway. Really like the clean look of the big 56mm ZS lower and wish all the companies would adopt it. I like a high BB and don't mind a somewhat steep HA. I figure BB will end up between 13.5"-13.75" with a HA of 67.5-68 degrees. It should climb gnarly stuff really well I'm hoping.

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    Re: 2013 Spitfire

    Heres the latest picture of my spitfire build , just swapped the bars to raceface atlas kash money cut to 750mm ,nukeproof pedals and raceface grips





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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    As you can see, around 10 mm Clearance with Schwalbe HansDampf 2.25. The 2.35 has a few Millimeters tighter Clearance.
    Probably stating the obvious, but the fork's arch, though also a limiter, isn't the only thing you should be measuring. The fork has to be completely compressed, (let the air/spring out), and see if the CROWN touches the tire. The crown will actually travel below the arch in most cases.

    About to build up a Spitty myself as soon as my wheels come in. Got everything including a new Pike, so its killing me staring at this thing!

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    Yep, that's why 650B Devilles will have specific lowers as well as a specific crown.

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    I just don't want people getting hurt because of a simple oversight. Bottoming out on a fast decent could end up BAAAAAD if that crown smacks a tire.

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    All true and Iīm of Course aware of that!!!
    But the Deville (26-Version) offers enough Clearance full compressed with HansDampf 2.35. I have checked this several Times befor buying - I can assure.
    The 650B HansDampf in 2.25 is just enough for Trailriding, so I do have some more Clearance. As mentioned: As soon as my Riding requires 2.35er or 2.4er Tires most of the Time Iīm going to get a 650B-Deville. For now the 26er Deville just works fine with 650B-Wheels, as it offers the most Conversion-Clearance of all 26-Forks.
    Another Thing is: I wanted to get as early as possible into the 650B-Thing with the Spitfire, so 2013 is my Season to check which Wheelsize to keep. I didnīt want to wait or waist Time for new 650B-Offerings that mostly come out for the next Season.

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    Rode stevens pass bike park this weekend on my spitfire....all i can say is wow. Bike ate up slingshot wookie no problem (the technical single track line). The rear linkage is effing beefy and felt extremely stable. This bike is the tits.

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    Lots of sweet Spitties on here! I've posted my Rune v2 on pinkbike in hopes of building up a Spitfire this Fall. Have we seen a sub-28 lb Spitfire with a real fork (34mm +) and dropper yet?

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    Me not really when it has to have 34er Fork, Dropper-Post and reasonable Tires ...

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    Can't keep my excitement to myself. Just placed my order for a 2014 Spitty in stealth black to replace my 2009 Tracer VP. I've been told eta October. In the meantime I can't ride anyway, impending surgery, so the Spitty should arrive by the time I am all fixed up.

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    hi im tempted by a spitfire - however the one thing thats putting me off is the low BB. I currently run a yeti 575 which has a bb height of 13.6 which is about as low as I can stand. If I got a spitfire then its 13.0 inches in the slackest setting, which is what i'd probably run it in most of the time. What are your experiences of this as I can't stand rock strikes on uphills. Otherwise I might just go for a Rune - although the weight and overlap with my DH bike puts me off.

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    One thing to consider with BB height is how the suspension behaves under power. The Spitfire has more antisquat than the 575, and so will not move into it's travel as much under power which is when you are most likely to have pedal strikes. Another option if you are worried, is to run the bike in higher setting and use an angleset to keep the head angle slack.

    If you can get a chance to test ride a spitfire and/or rune before you buy this will give you a better idea of what will work for you best.
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    Yes, I can confirm this - the Spitfire sits more "higher" in itīs Travel, with a slightly progressive Ratio, resulting in a wide usable Midstroke without blowing through.

    To get a little higher BB and therefor steeper Seatangle an Angleset is a very good Choice. Seems like Iīm one of the very few who did exactly that: Neutral Flip-Chip-Setting and -0,5, sometimes -1 Deg Angleset to keep the HA at the sweet 66.

    Maybe another Point of interest:
    If you plan to go 650B the Spitfire gets a pretty bang on BB-Height!

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    what they're saying; it has good anti-squat while pedaling especially uphill. And your bb and HA etc all depend on the set-up as well. E.g I'm running a Fox 36 160, neutral flip-chip, 2.35" tires and my static bb height is 13.5" with a 66 HA.

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    What is the best fork travel for 650b wheels, 150mm or 160mm? I am currently running 26" wheels with a RS Revelation 150mm and happy with it. But I want to try 650b and need to buy a new fork for that, so I am debating what size to go with, or try to get one that is adjustable. I am leaning towards the XFusion Sweep if it is available in the next month or so.

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    I'd personally opt for 150mm forks if running 650B to keep the stack lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMtnB44 View Post
    What is the best fork travel for 650b wheels, 150mm or 160mm? I am currently running 26" wheels with a RS Revelation 150mm and happy with it. But I want to try 650b and need to buy a new fork for that, so I am debating what size to go with, or try to get one that is adjustable. I am leaning towards the XFusion Sweep if it is available in the next month or so.
    Not sure what the best Forktravel is. Doesnīt this depend on personal Preference?
    X-Fusion Sweep, RockShox Pike or BOS Deville, all in 650B, could be great Choices when they are available. I personally have a BOS Deville 160 mm Travel (non-650B-specific, but with plenty Clearance), -0,5 Deg Zero-Stack Angleset and 650B-Wheels and Iīm very pleased. No Traveladjust, no Gimmicks - just the great given Geometry and Top-Notch Suspension in both Front and Rear.
    Isnīt there already a 650B-Revelation available? Why not this Fork if you are happy with it?

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    Did my first ride on my new V2 spitfire (M) which replaced my V1. Took all the parts over from my v1, but a 10mm shorter stem and a dropper post added. The v2 Pedals far better in terms of pedal kickback. Rear suspension feels plush and is a nobrainer, but the bike is much harder to manual/lift the front wheel over obstacles / roots. The bike feels lot less agile/playful than the v1 and for me after the first ride somehow leaves a little mixed feeling (ok, I also came back after a finger injury on that first ride with less power)... think I need to dial my settings further in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    One thing to consider with BB height is how the suspension behaves under power. The Spitfire has more antisquat than the 575, and so will not move into it's travel as much under power which is when you are most likely to have pedal strikes. Another option if you are worried, is to run the bike in higher setting and use an angleset to keep the head angle slack.

    If you can get a chance to test ride a spitfire and/or rune before you buy this will give you a better idea of what will work for you best.
    Thanks for all these replies. That's some valuable information. I'm going to get a spitfire/rune. But can't decide which one. I've test ridden a large Rune and XL is the way to go - might just get the spitfire in XL as test rides are hard to get in UK at the minute

    many thanks

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    Just use 650B wheels and you'll raise the BB at least 1/2" (or more) depending on tires. Or just the 650B wheel on the front (which will work in quite a few 26" forks) to slightly raise the BB and slack out the front at bit also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    ... I personally have a BOS Deville 160 mm Travel (non-650B-specific, but with plenty Clearance), -0,5 Deg Zero-Stack Angleset and 650B-Wheels and Iīm very pleased ...
    ... and leads to a BB-Height of 345/346 mm with 2.25 HansDampf in this Set-Up. I still have the Option to go slacker/lower or steeper/higher. Very competitive compared to the latest 650B-specific Offernings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I'd personally opt for 150mm forks if running 650B to keep the stack lower.
    Thanks Keith, I thought that was the answer but wanted to double check.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Not sure what the best Forktravel is. Doesnīt this depend on personal Preference?
    X-Fusion Sweep, RockShox Pike or BOS Deville, all in 650B, could be great Choices when they are available.
    Isnīt there already a 650B-Revelation available? Why not this Fork if you are happy with it?
    Yes it is a preference thing, but I was interested to see what Keith had to say based on design criteria.
    Pike is my next choice after the Sweep, but it is more expensive. I am having a hard time justifying $1000 for a fork these days, that is ridiculous.
    There is a 650b Rev available, but I would like to try something different if I am buying a new fork. I like the idea of the slightly beefier stanctions of the Sweep or Pike.

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    Anyone know whether there is much difference between the 26 and 27.5 142 dropouts other than allowing for more tires clearance. Is running a 27.5 in 26 dropouts sub-optimal geometry wise?

    And equally how would 26" wheels work out in the 27.5" drops?

    I ask because I will be running 26" now and then likely change to 27.5" next year and don't really want to have to pay for the extra drops if its just a question of tire clearance. I probably wouldn't run more than a 2.2-2.3 in the back. However if it plays around with the geometry adversely then thats a different matter.

    Can anyone chime in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inkisink View Post
    Anyone know whether there is much difference between the 26 and 27.5 142 dropouts other than allowing for more tires clearance. Is running a 27.5 in 26 dropouts sub-optimal geometry wise?

    And equally how would 26" wheels work out in the 27.5" drops?

    I ask because I will be running 26" now and then likely change to 27.5" next year and don't really want to have to pay for the extra drops if its just a question of tire clearance. I probably wouldn't run more than a 2.2-2.3 in the back. However if it plays around with the geometry adversely then thats a different matter.

    Can anyone chime in?
    Tire clearance is the main factor. If you are running a small tire and live somewhere that isn't muddy, then you can probably get away with a 650B wheel in the 26" dropouts. Unfortunately that isn't an option here in Scotland due to the thick mud we have.

    The only real geometry factor was that the slightly longer chainstays of te 650B dropouts balance out the higher stack of the 650B front end and so help balance weight distribution and will especially help keep the front down on steep climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inkisink View Post
    Anyone know whether there is much difference between the 26 and 27.5 142 dropouts other than allowing for more tires clearance. Is running a 27.5 in 26 dropouts sub-optimal geometry wise?

    And equally how would 26" wheels work out in the 27.5" drops?

    I ask because I will be running 26" now and then likely change to 27.5" next year and don't really want to have to pay for the extra drops if its just a question of tire clearance. I probably wouldn't run more than a 2.2-2.3 in the back. However if it plays around with the geometry adversely then thats a different matter.

    Can anyone chime in?
    Yes, I can, although I have posted it several Times here ...

    The only Difference between these Dropouts is 10 mm more Length for the 650B-Dropouts.
    - Regarding Geometry this means 10 mm longer Chainstays and a higher BB around 10 mm, depending on Tire-Choice, when going with 650B-Wheels. Plus no Angles affected when your Fork is a 650B specific or compatible. The whole Bike is just around 10 mm "higher" in general ...
    - Regarding Tire Clearance: Yep, you can easily run 2.25/2.3 650B-Tires with very good Clearance in the 26-Dropouts. With bigger Tires (2.35/2.4) and very muddy Conditions I would suggest buying the recommended 650B-Dropouts, as there will be Clearance-Issues with the 26-Dropouts.

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    Thanks very much builttoride and NoStyle for the clarity. Apologies if I was covering old ground.

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    Youīre welcome

    Well, I have purchased both 142x12 Dropouts to be sure - and to have more possible Adjustments.
    Allday-Rides maybe donīt require a big sticky 2.4 Highroller II (for Example), a 2.25 Nobby-Nic, Hans-Dampf or Onza Ibex FR can do well for this. For this I take the 26-Dropouts, regardless if dry or muddy and enjoy the shorter Stays, thanks to the great given Clearance Banshee has done within the Design. For the Park-Days a HR II is great, and a 10 mm longer Chainstay makes for a slightly (even) more stable Ride at high Speed than it already is. Plus keeps the Font more down on steep Climbs ...

    As Keith has said: Tire-Clearance is the Key!
    If you are in the same Boat like me: Get both ...

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    Here's my one:

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    Post is so sexy....how does it feel right off the bat?

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    Really good !
    Easy to install, nicely shaped trigger, infinite travel and easy actuation !!
    In a word : Thomson quality ! I definitely recommend it.

    PS: Only picked it up yesterday so I can't talk about reliability yet.

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    After two fun years on my Spitty V1, I decided to upgrade. Here's my V2, built it up yesterday - will get full pictures of finished build soon. Two rides into it, pretty impressed so far..

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    Very nice build !
    In fact, it's pretty similar to mine.

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    Anyone tried running 650B in the front and 26 in the rear?

    Running a fork with 150mm travel should offset the bigger diameter of the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzoo View Post
    Anyone tried running 650B in the front and 26 in the rear?

    Running a fork with 150mm travel should offset the bigger diameter of the wheel.
    Why on earth would you want to do that?

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    LiteVille came up with the idea of "scaled sizing"... Flyer is in german

    http://syntace.my1.cc/liteville/pdf/...zing_Flyer.pdf

    Basically you can keep a shorter chainstay while getting the advantages of a bigger front wheel.

    Dunno if that really makes sense, just wondering if someone has ever tried it

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    AW: 2013 Spitfire

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    It was asked earlier in the thread, but I didn't see an answer. Will a 175mm 156 q factor XX1 crank work on the Spitfire or Rune?

    BTW, thank you Banshee for a threaded bottom bracket. Both my carbon fiber Rocky Mtn Element and my alloy Devinci Atlas developed creaks after a few BB changes. At $50+ a pop, it became expensive also. Both are gone and the big question is Rune or Spitfire.

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    Has anyone tried running a Zee FR rd on Spitty V2? Are there any chainstay clearance issues with a 32t upfront?

    Can anyone recommend a chainguide for running 32x11-36 with the Zee. I was looking at the MRP G3 mini but looks like there might be clearance issues.

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    If it's the same issue as the Rune, the 32t ring is not the problem, it'll be the guide. I had to abandon my small drivetrain idea(32t with 9spd road cassette and E13 SRS+ 32T special guide). The guide didn't clear the dropped stay and the chain would rub against the bottom of the stay when I was in the 32/11 combo.

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    Yeah I had read about the issues with the Rune but wasn't sure if it applies to the Spitfire as well. If there is a risk of rub on the stay then I might try the MRP AMG guide which doesn't have the bottom guide, just a top and taco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip D View Post
    It was asked earlier in the thread, but I didn't see an answer. Will a 175mm 156 q factor XX1 crank work on the Spitfire or Rune?
    All Banshee frames require the 168mm Qfactor cranks (wide). The narrow Q factor cranks are just for skinny XC race bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inkisink View Post
    Yeah I had read about the issues with the Rune but wasn't sure if it applies to the Spitfire as well. If there is a risk of rub on the stay then I might try the MRP AMG guide which doesn't have the bottom guide, just a top and taco.
    On my Prime:
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    Zee FR RD

    works great! You really don't need a lower chainguide with the clutch + stepped ring combo. In fact, you probably don't need a chainguide at all... I just wanted some form of bash protection.

    I also tried a similar set-up but without the stepped ring. No dropped chains, but a bit more chainslap noise.

    Not missing the drag & noise from a full chainguide, thats for sure!

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    Awesome, thanks for the input. But now I have read more I am worried about the taco style bash damaging the frame but presume it would take a big hit to do this?!? My setup will be more trail oriented than freeride so I cant imagine taken big hits just need something to help slide over the rocks and roots a bit while protecting the chainring.

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    Guyz, please update me with shock size for spitfire v2.
    concidering an offer w/o shock.

    thanks in advance!

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    7.875x2.25" (40x8mm shaft end, 25.4x8mm reservoir end)
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    @ builttoride, will you be at Eurobike this year ?

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    I will not be there personally, but there is a banshee botth and Jay will be there.

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    Hey Keith I saw your spitfire at glencoe on sat, I recognised it from pics on here. I spoke to your friend about it and told him I had one and I loved it! Shame the event was cancelled after 3 hours, I had my dh bike and was doing laps for fun as most people were getting hammered on their enduro bikes.

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    Ha, yeah, Kenny said he bumped into a spitfire owner. I miss that proto! Glad you were out there having fun, wish I could have been there too!
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    Sorry guys, still not sure about chain guide compatibility on the Spitfire. I don't really have the chance to try out options in the LBS so I am going to have to order online and I am looking now at the e.13 SRS+ but not sure which size to get.

    @builttoride You mentioned in the Rune thread that you're running the SRS+ on your Spitfire without any problems, is that the 32t, 32-36t or 36-40t version?

    @juanbeegas You had problems with clearance on your Rune with the SRS+32. Did you try the 32-36t? How was it? What are you running now?

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    So for anyone who has a similar predicament, I just received this email from Derek at e13...

    I would recommend going with the SRS+ 32-36 over the 32 specific due to the dropped chain stays on the V2 frame.
    The main issue will be getting the correct alignment of the upper plastics and correct clocking of the backplate. The 32-36 will allow you to set up the backplate correctly AND allow for clearance of the dropped chain stay frame design. Running the 32 specific would most likely result in the under clocking of the upper arm in order to clear the stay. This would result in potential damage to the upper slider or even pulling the chain out of the top( as a worst case).
    You might also want to look into the LG1+ turbo. It incorporates the best features of both guides with a bit more bash protection with minimal weight penalty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by inkisink View Post

    @builttoride You mentioned in the Rune thread that you're running the SRS+ on your Spitfire without any problems, is that the 32t, 32-36t or 36-40t version?
    32-36 version for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    32-36 version for me.
    Got it! Thanks a lot.

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    Is this the correct Du Bushing and Reducer Kit for the shaft end of the rear shock? Fox Float CTD on my spitfire v2? The spec for the part number 803-03-189 is for 8mmx39.88mm. The Spitfire v2 specs on the banshee site say 8mmx40mm.

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    part number: 803-03-189

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlf.ski.bike.sail View Post
    Is this the correct Du Bushing and Reducer Kit for the shaft end of the rear shock? Fox Float CTD on my spitfire v2? The spec for the part number 803-03-189 is for 8mmx39.88mm. The Spitfire v2 specs on the banshee site say 8mmx40mm.

    Fox Shox Polymer Du Bushing Reducer Kit > Components > Rear Shocks > Mounting Hardware | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

    part number: 803-03-189
    That is the correct spec. Fox work in imperial, and so we always pick the size just smaller than the gap to make fitment easier.
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    THanks!!!

    tsss...who uses imperial?!....what real engineer would ever commit such a heinous crime!

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    Upgrade kernel to V2 - complete




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    Just saw this link on the Darkside thread Banshee Tests 650B Downhill & Other Mountain Bikes, Developing 100mm ?Trail? 29er

    The Spitfire gets refined to drop a bit of weight. It has new forgings on the rear triangle at the yoke, with each side now being a one piece part, and dropouts.

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    Would be good to know when the updates will happen?

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    When will the new changes happened as I am about to order a framset. Neway any new colors for 2014 spitty?

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    2014 spitfires should be arriving in shops by end of September. The updates are just little tweaks and refinements, so not huge changes from 2013 by any means. Biggest change is the addition of a reverb stealth routing.
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    Hi everyone,

    i am about to buy a 2013 Spitfire frame.After hours of search i still do not know which size to choose.I am about 184cm (6.03 feet) inseam length 90cm (35.4 in).At the moment i am reading a Cotic BFe size 17" (reach round about 405mm,top tube effective 590mm) which i really like.Sometimes it could be a little bit longer.And for peadling i have to pull out my 410mm Elite seatpost almost to the maximum (1.5cm left,insert is 11.5cm).I also had a 2011 Sepcialized Enduro size M,a Specialized SX Trail 2009 size M,a Transition TR250 size L and a DMR Trailstar 2010 size M.So i used to take small bikes.
    I would prefer reach and effective top tube of the Spitfire sized M but i am really concerned about the short seat tube.The large seems to be very long.And i do not have the possibilty to ride a M or L frame.
    Maybe some of you guys can tell me your size and frame size and if you do like short or long bikes.
    Many thanks.

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    Nullstein, not to be flippant, but really at your height you are a standard size large. i don't think there is any really point in looking at medium sized bikes. large Spitty for you mate.

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    yup Large with a short stem.

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    Awwww maaaan.
    The last batch got cancelled in favour of the 2014 frames coming. Supposedly coming the end of September, but knowing the biking industry, that means October if I'm very lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I will not be there personally, but there is a banshee botth and Jay will be there.

    hall/stand no.: FG-A7/5
    Hmm can't find your stand. Hall A7 but all stands have 3 digit numbers...

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    Had this built up for a week or two. It rocks!
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    Have a spitfire on order - can anyone tell me if it includes the front direct mount derailleur mounting bolts and the half moon looking spacer? My direct mount xt front mech didn't include them.

    Thanks!

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    No! Curious - I bought a SRAM X0 and these Bolts were included ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusto View Post
    Had this built up for a week or two. It rocks!
    Specs/weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moro View Post
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    Oh my god. That is pure amazingness!!

    I've been on a prime 29er for a couple of months, but I've ordered a spitfire 650b as I think it will suit better. Keith advised a rune for occasional uplift days, but 95% of my riding is trail.

    I've got some 29er e13 wheels for sale, and a prime frame in yellow large probably too.

    I jumped from 26 - 29 and loved it, I'm just thinking 650b in the back of my head....

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    Will all colors and a full range of sizes be available once they hit shops later this month? Looking for XL Stealth Ano Black...

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    Just venting for the sake of it, but I'm pretty over waiting for this fracking bike.
    I don't think I can wait for 'till the end of the month for the 2014 one.

    I can get hold of a size L 2013 one, I'm 5.9" .... you guys reckon I can get away with it, and just run a short stem?

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    i'd be patient if i were you. im 5'9" with a 31" inseam. the medium is plenty of bike for me. I definitely wouldnt want to go any bigger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Just venting for the sake of it, but I'm pretty over waiting for this fracking bike.
    I don't think I can wait for 'till the end of the month for the 2014 one.

    I can get hold of a size L 2013 one, I'm 5.9" .... you guys reckon I can get away with it, and just run a short stem?
    For your height I would wait for the medium.

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    I prefer my bikes on the bigger side.
    I have short legs and a long torso, so prefer lots of standover but with a long reach.

    I have a Medium Production Privee, that feels tiny, the large felt good when I rode a mate's:
    SHAN 917

    My DH bike is a Large Evil Undead and can't imagine riding it smaller:
    Evil Undead Frame

    The bike I hated most of all the bikes I have ever owned / Ridden, was the Medium Intense Tracer 2.
    I kept on "Jack knifing" / T-boning in corners as I felt like I was far too cramped, my natural riding position is very far forward:





    Still reckon the Large would be too big?

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Still reckon the Large would be too big?
    I think so (Also 5'-9"/32" inseam).
    I've experimented with sizing up & down on frames. The difference in TT lengths between sizes is typically less than an inch, with stem & seat adjustments it can work. Riders can happily adapt too a bike that's a little to big/small. Your riding style adapts and then the "right size" can feel wrong.
    My own experience, after a season on larger/longer bikes I went back to mediums. Although they felt cramped at first I adapted and my riding improved. I wasn't fighting the bike so much. I'd go smaller before going larger... but mediums are typically just right.

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    I'd wait too. I made the mistake many years ago of snapping up a large bike in store at a good price that I figured I could "shorten". 12 months later I gave in and changed frames.

    I'm also waiting for a 2014. I'm 6ft and was very lucky to get a test ride on a medium last weekend. It felt great ! It had a 35mm stem which was ok but I'll use my current 50mm stem which I'm thinking will be perfect . A large would be too big for me and yes it is personal preference but at 5'9" , a large would be pretty darn big man !

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Just venting for the sake of it, but I'm pretty over waiting for this fracking bike.
    I don't think I can wait for 'till the end of the month for the 2014 one.

    I can get hold of a size L 2013 one, I'm 5.9" .... you guys reckon I can get away with it, and just run a short stem?
    I'd be waiting as the new black on black for 2014 range looks hot as hell plus the stealth cable routing is a plus

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    All Banshee frames require the 168mm Qfactor cranks (wide). The narrow Q factor cranks are just for skinny XC race bikes.
    I'm hoping to run XT M785 cranks on my 2014 Spitfire but I cant confirm if they are 168 q factor. If they are not , any other crankset suggestions around the same spec as the XTs ?

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    New member here just signed up.

    Have just ordered a large spitfire in black/black with CCDB Air CS and am looking forward to it.

    Going to run some 150mm Pikes in 27.5 configuration, but havent really decided on the drivetrain options as yet, but am leaning towards an XT setup.

    Any ideas on decent strength wheelset? Im 6"2" and 240 pounds so im a bit of a fatass, and tend to chew through wheels.

    Thanks in advance fellow Banshee folk !

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    I've just ordered 160 650b pikes. Well worth the extra travel.

    Got e13 trs 29 wheels on my prime. But went for flow 650b. Seam quite stiff indeed for the spitfire. Eventually I will save up for trs650b rims.

    Post a picture when it's done!!

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    go with the flow ex rims

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    Does anyone know where to get these "top hat" washers in the states?
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    Contact your local dealer, they can source them from your regional distributor.

    In future make sure that you do not over toqrue the pivots. The maximum torque rating laser etched on each pivot for a reason.
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    Thanks! lesson learned.

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    Taking the advice from here and sticking to the medium.
    Test rode a Large, and it was gigantic...particularly the wheelbase and seattube

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