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    I've got a clutch coming for my 9 speed also. Hope the shim trick works.
    Looking forward to taking the stinger off as it keeps getting bashed because its so low to clear the stay.

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    I know a while back Banshee released a sag chart for all their frames on their blog.

    Is there something similar for the new spitfire?

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    Yes, it is mentioned for every single V2-Bike in the Spec/Geometry-Chart on their Website.

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    For the spitfire V2 I'd recommend about 14mm of shock sag (compression) to get 28% sag. That is what I personally like the most.
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    14mm shock compression, got it.

    Thanks Keith!

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    How long has it taken others to get the shipping confirmation from Trident after their card gets run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phallski View Post
    How long has it taken others to get the shipping confirmation from Trident after their card gets run?
    I'm waiting for them to hit my card as I should have a frame coming to me from this next batch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillT View Post
    I'm waiting for them to hit my card as I should have a frame coming to me from this next batch.
    Mine got hit Tuesday and nothing yet.

    EDIT: They actually shipped it Tuesday, but didnt bother with the tracking, I hated being a pest but it payed off. Frame will be here tomorrow, just waiting on the shock hardware and headset from Cane Creek to show up next week.
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    I didn't make the cut with the first batch of frames, but was assured 2 weeks ago that I would have one from this current batch. I'll have to give them a call tomorrow and see when they are going to ship it.

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    for me Zac collected my credit card info. a few weeks before the frames actually arrived. My card was never charged until the frame was shipped at which time they sent and email with receipt and sales number.
    The whole delay was really with the actual shipping and customs technicalities from what I was told. It seems to me as soon as they arrive, Trident ships them out ASAP and the waiting is usually due to custom/shipping delays.

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    Well my frame got here! Just waiting on shock hardware and I will get some pictures up in a weeks time when its final.

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    I got them on the phone today and my frame either shipped today or will ship on Monday.

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    First impressions: Instantly noticed the pedaling was smoother and no obvious pedal-induced bob. Flat sections allowed the bike to go much faster than the V1 and pedaling seemed more efficient. I did, however, seem to notice some pedal kickback on the uphill or when the trail had more square edge bumps. My interpretation of pedal kick back is to put the bike in the lowest gear, pedal as slow as possible, and feel for increased forces in the pedal stroke while the shock is compressed through rough terrain. The pedal kick back is not obvious and is subtle. Someone correct me if I’m wrong in my interpretation in the pedal kickback as this is how I perceive it. I suppose it is just inherent to all full suspension designs. So on the V2 perhaps a bit less kickback then the V1, or maybe the same, but certainly not more.

    The front end picks up nicely since I went from a 70mm stem on the V1 to a 50mm stem on the V2. What I also noticed from the stem change and increased slackness of the V2 was the front end will wander on uphill climbs. I found myself getting out of the saddle to put more weight forward on a few climbs where I normally sit and pedal through. The slacker head angle of the V2 (0.5) is noticeable and I think adds to the front end wandering. Personally for me a 67-68 degree HA is a nice balance for ascending and descending.

    Downhill was also noticeably faster. The bike accelerates well and maintains that acceleration and I was surprised how fast I the bike picked up speed on some of my usual trail routes. What was noticeably different was the lack of plushness in the rear. The old V1 seemed to have endless travel and felt like a Cadillac when cruising downhill. I always felt like the V1 was like a scalpel. It loved to hug the ground, stay planted, carve the turns and dissect the trail. The V2’s rear suspension feels rough and left me wondering where the increased travel went. I think it is probably the shortcomings of the FOX ctd or its tuning. It feels as if it’s too progressive, ramps up way too quickly and is not linear in its travel. The bottomless travel wasn’t there.
    I can see why people are looking to the Cane Creek. Of course, I made air adjustments at 28% sag and even 30-32% sag. Ran it in the trail and descend mode, and tweaked rebound. Square edge bumps felt better in the descend mode of course, but seemed to lessen the bikes acceleration and I never did get that bottomless feel.( No pedal bob noticed even in the descend mode.) I’m still going to experiment with the settings of course, but from my initial ride the FOX CTD was lacking.

    Also, with the V1 there was an obvious sweet spot that put you into the bike and could be felt when cornering. You could feel the sweet spot as it kept the bike balanced and the rider centered allowing you to carve turns and accelerate through them and pick up speed. The rider could shoot out of a corner and pick up momentum similar to carving on skis (something Keith mentioned when first describing the V1 when it was released).
    I didn’t quite feel the sweet spot on the V2 right away although that doesn’t mean it’s not there. I can feel that the sweet spot is in there somewhere and experimentation with the cockpit set up (stem length, bar height, saddle position, bb height, HA) may help to bring it out.

    The increased bottom bracket height seemed obvious and gave the bike a less planted feeling while in the turns. My old V1 had a BB height of somewhere between 12.5” and 13” and it did feel like it railed the turns. I think the increased BB height of the V2 may have reduced the carving, planted feeling of the V1 in the turns. With both versions the long wheel base is evidenced and lively does not describe either version. It’s hard to pick the bike up and put it where you want it when in the moment.

    I’m running the cane creek angleset headset so I can make adjustments. I was riding the bike in the neutral setting. I would like to try and get a lower BB and steeper HA similar to the V1. I’m a running rock shox 150 mm revelation and went with the Cane Creek angelset headset because it was the only headset (in the US) that gives an additional 10mm lower stack height. I felt I needed the added 10mm because I was going with 150mm fork instead of the 160mm. I thought that the lower axle to crown would make the BB too low but it is still above 13”. I bet a 140mm-150mm travel fork with a zerostack would get the geo closer to the V1 (lower BB And steeper HA) for anyone debating on what headset and fork to choose.

    I do like the V2 despite the differences. With all the adjustments that are possible with my headset and dropout chips I think I’ll find myself trying to get back to the V1 geometry. I’ll give more ride reports as the weather is cooperating. I like to hear what others think about the way the V2 rides. Of course this was the first ride and it can only get better.
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    2013 Spitfire

    Any spitfire owners wish they got a rune?


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    Second ride:
    This bike is so fast on the downhill. It feels as if someone is hitting the accelerator. A very distinct feeling of an increase in momentum when the bike picks up speed. Obviously the suspension design is different. It has a more stable pedal platform that perhaps sacrifices some of its low-speed compression plushness? It feels like a hardtail at times and kicks it up a notch with an increase in speed through smoother sections of trail. As such, it feels a little more rigid in the suspension through the rough sections. (Just gotta get the right compression settings which is hard to do with a fox CTD)

    I played around with the front and rear suspension settings and the bike did improve in its liveliness. Before I stated the V1 and V2 were not so lively but after making some cockpit adjustments along with suspension settings I realize the V2 is more responsive if you put the strength in to do so. I took another route on the local trails and was launching easier off lips placing the bike where I wanted, instead of where the bike wanted.

    I moved a bit more forward in the cockpit and felt better than being more aft in attempts to find that sweet spot. Moving more forward in the cockpit seemed to help keep the front end down in the climbs although the front still wants to wander at times such as on steep switchbacks.

    With so many adjustments possible anyone should be pleased with the V2 version and get it to ride how they prefer if they put the time in to finding the right combinations. I still have plans to make some geo changes down the road. Specifically, lowering the BB and steepening the HA just a tad.

    I have say I’m adjusting to the V2 faster than I thought and liking it more and more. Better than the V1 in many aspects with a few attributes missing, but can be fixed with some minor adjustments. I think the rider will be rewarded if they are patient in finding the perfect geometry that is right for their riding style.

    Like an ex-girlfirend I guess I have to put the V1 to rest and embrace the V2 and realize while the old one was good, but the new one is gonna be so much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stunzeed View Post
    Any spitfire owners wish they got a rune?


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    I haven't ridden the Rune but the reason I chose the spitfire is because I do a lot of pedaling uphill which I believe makes the spitfire the logical choice between the two.

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    Swapped my medium v1 frame for the small v2 and hit the trails all weekend. Put it in the slackest position from the start. All I can say is, oh my god this thing absolutely rips!!! I loved my v1, and had it pretty dailed with an angleset (65deg HA) and elka. Stock geo on v2 felt completely dialed for me, won't be adding an angleset. I was also pleasantly surprised with the fox CTD in the trail setting and will spend some time on that before considering a DBair investment. I initially struggled w/ what frame size to get, and I'm really stoked I settled on the small (i'm a little under 5'8, 30" inseam and longish torso). It'll take some time to writeup a proper ride report... but just wanted to note how fun, playful, and "spunky" this little trail shredder is. Manuals come w/ ease and it doesn't feel weird in the air anymore. I'm also blown away how it sprints, and motors when you gas it on climbs. Some of this can be from dropping down in frame size, but it really does have entirely different feel from the v1 that's hard to explain right now... and it's left me with a sh!t eating grin all weekend

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    dirtysurfer, it looks like you're missing the front cable guide on the downtube which is partly why your cabling looks messy. I had the exact same issue with my small and had the front triangle warranteed.

    Great looking build though - is that a 44 rc3?

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    Ah man, i'll have to take a closer look at that!

    I'm running a 55 rc3 ti, amazing fork that complements the bike very well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sov View Post
    dirtysurfer, it looks like you're missing the front cable guide on the downtube which is partly why your cabling looks messy. I had the exact same issue with my small and had the front triangle warranteed.

    Great looking build though - is that a 44 rc3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stunzeed View Post
    Any spitfire owners wish they got a rune?
    I was hardly torn between those two and decided to keep it Shorttravel. Havenīt had the Chance to ride a V2 Rune yet, but Iīm pretty happy with the Spitfire. Iīm running mine with 1 Deg Angleset, so Geometry is the same like the Rune, which is for sure an amazing Enduro-Bike, but seems a bit "too much" Bike for what I ride and need.
    In my Opinion The Spitfire is the best and most aggressive and versatile Trailbike on the Market and one of a Kind, for those who just want the right Amount of Travel to kill it on the Singletracks.
    So no Wish for a Rune - the Spitfire rocks in itīs Class and does a great Job, very playfull, plush enough when needed and has a really good Suspension-Platform for Pedalling. Plus: For the 650Bs it has the better Geometry overall (my personal Opinion), because of being slightly longer and lower.

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    No style have you been riding with 650b can you give any comparison between 26 vs 650b?

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    hi guys
    I'm coming from a DW-link AM bike
    and want to buy a new frame.
    this spitfire V2 id one of the frames I'm thinking about...

    after reading “hiawatha-de” ride reports, it got me to think that maybe the bike is not so good at square edge hits?
    maybe most of the riders here that love how the bike feels, are riding it in places that don’t have much rocks and things that get the rear end to work hard?

    I would like to hear more ride reports from riders who ride more rocky trails...

    Thanks

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    Square edge hits are all about initial axle path and shock setup especially compression damping... what bike are you coming off so I can compare axle paths for you. A more rearward initial axle path will absorb square edge hits better, but the downside of the rearward axle path is the chain stretch that results in pedal kickback which is especially apparent in granny rings. The spitfire has a more rearward axle path than most initally, but it curves off as you go through the travel to minimuse overall pedal kickback.
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    thanks builttoride
    I know about axle path :-)

    I'm coming from ironhorse MKIII 2007 DW-link

    thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by saruti View Post
    ... after reading “hiawatha-de” ride reports, it got me to think that maybe the bike is not so good at square edge hits?
    maybe most of the riders here that love how the bike feels, are riding it in places that don’t have much rocks and things that get the rear end to work hard? ...
    I do not ride in super rocky Terrain all the Time, more natural Trails with some good Amount of bigger Roots. All I can say is that the Spitfire, or the KS-Link in general, is one of the most ground-eating Suspension-Platforms I have ever experienced. Super stiff Rear, nicely plush on the bigger Bumps, square-edge or not, very sensitive on the small Bumps, stable pedalling through rough Sections and a really "poppy" and lively Feel overall. The faster and harder the Trail gets, the better the KS-Link and the great Geometry of the V2-Banshees do work for you.
    Must be the amazing Combination of rearward Axle-Path and slightly more progressive Leverage-Ratio.

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    As you can see the axle path is almost adenticle for first half of travel, so you should expect similar square edge hit cayarcteristics to what you are used to, with slightly less pedal kickback under bigger hits.
    The suspension performance, as always, will depend heavily on shock setup for your riding style and body weight.

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    thanks builttoride
    I know about axle path :-)

    I'm coming from ironhorse MKIII 2007 DW-link

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    wow builttoride
    thanks!!

    where did you find this info?
    can I find it on the web? for any bike?

    thanks

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    There is a software program that you can buy here Linkage Bike Simulation Software - News

    The basic version would enable you to compare most bikes out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saruti View Post
    wow builttoride
    thanks!!

    where did you find this info?
    can I find it on the web? for any bike?

    thanks
    Yeah, you can find tons of this info on Antonio Osuna's linkage blogspot. He doesn't have the new Spitfire info posted (I've asked for it) but he has the Rune and Prime. Rune is almost identical to the Mojo HD in many parameters but the HD has higher pedal kickback and gets more regressive (softer) at the end of travel.

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    thanks guys

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    I'm not sure why the rear suspension on my V2 felt less compliant than my v1. It is definitely stiffer laterally which is a good thing. I believe I still need to mess with my shock settings to get the most out of the rear suspension. I'm not sure if it's the fox factory tune or if I need further tweaking, probably the latter. I only have had 2 good rides due to wet trail conditions.
    For the most part, all the rune owners and other V2 spitfire owners say the suspension is more plush than the V1s. I'm hoping to hear more ride reports, too.

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    Took my first ride on my large V2 spitty. Just a regular trail ride with a few roots, jumps, berms, loose wet corners. Nothing super tough. I thought it was better than the V1 (which I loved) in pretty much every way. I just set sag as instructed by Keith, rebound to my taste and left it in "trail" the whole ride. I felt like the bike pedalled great and never really detected any pedal feedback (34t 1x10 setup). I felt the bike was significantly more lively than the V1 but still relatively planted compared to other bikes out there--some of that is certainly the way I set up suspension. Laterally quite stiff in the rear end (135x10mm axle with crossmax sx wheels). I don't set up my bikes to be squishy and comfortable at sub 10 mph speeds because that makes them ride poorly when going faster, which is more important to me. That said, I definitely felt like the ride was more compliant than my V1.

    Overall, I think Banshee has once again created a bike that loves to be pushed, rewards agressive, get-over-the-front-and-let-it-rip riding and is just a blast in any potentially fun part of the trail. It corners magnificently, drifts predictably, jumps well (from what I've done so far), and basically had me smiling ear to ear for my entire ride. I can't wait to get it sorted out a bit further and to get it out in the mountains where it will truly shine. I feel very confident saying that while it may not be for everyone, if you liked the V1, you should at least check out the V2.

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    Second ride for me on the V2 and I like it. Pedals so much better in the granny than the V1. Much stiffer rear-end. No play after 2 rides (my V1 had horrible bushing issues).

    Still dialing in the Fox CTD, slowly getting there. I'm running the smallest reducer from my V1 to prevent that it blows through it's travel (I'm 200lb) and it seems to work fine, I do think it's running a bit firm at recommended sag so I'll lower the pressure just a tiny bit to improve the Trail setting. What most impresses me is the traction & grip in technical sections, small bump compliance seems so much better.
    In Climb it's awesome on long grinds. Still have to try the Decent setting, want to focus on Trail first.

    I went with a 20mm shorter stem but I don't think my XL is any roomier in general, unlike what is mentioned on the forum, but I'm getting used to the shorter set-up and will probably keep it.

    I'm glad this frame feels beefier and stiffer, I don't mind the tiny bit of extra weight.

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    what shock tune is this bike come with?
    low?
    med?
    high?

    thanks

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    Velocity tune Low
    Rebound tune Medium
    Boost Valve 175
    Small air can

    at least that's what I've got.

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    Can someone point me out to a chainguide that will fit proper on the V2 Spitty? My SRS+ looks wonky on it even in the wide position.

    From what I gathered, Straitline seems good and Gamut also? E13 is a no go, no for a clean install at least.

    Please don't tell me to buy a clutch rear D and ditch the chainguide.

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    Well, here she is, sorry for the crappy instagram pic, but she's done! I'll get a good image up in the next few days

    29.7ish lbs.

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    Frame Spitfire V2
    Shock CC DB Air
    Headset Cane Creek 110
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    Stem Thomson X4
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    Drivetrain XX1
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    Brakes x0 Trail
    Rotors HSX160/180
    Front Hub DT 240s 15mm CenterLock
    Rear Hub Dt240s 12x142 Centerlock
    Rims Arch EX
    Spokes Sapim CX-Ray 276x64
    Tire F/R Ardent 2.25
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    Collar Thompson Clamp
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    hi guys
    I really wanted to buy this frame...
    but the distributor here is telling me he won’t sell any 2013 banshee...
    I really don’t get it.
    why do banshee work with dealers like that?

    I know some guys from banshee are here in the forum.
    so I hope they will see that and give me an answer or solution.

    Thanks

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    thanks man

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    too bad

    Quote Originally Posted by saruti View Post
    hi guys
    I really wanted to buy this frame...
    but the distributor here is telling me he won’t sell any 2013 banshee...
    I really don’t get it.
    why do banshee work with dealers like that?

    I know some guys from banshee are here in the forum.
    so I hope they will see that and give me an answer or solution.

    Thanks
    I was considering replacing my wildcard with a rune V2...

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    Amrayo.
    I hope it will sorted out.
    the guys at banshee are OK

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    Well just got my first ride in on my new Spitfire. Wow, the suspension feels so good, especially at speed. I think the geometry is spot on for the riding I do in Utah, especially the low slack with a steeper seat tube angle set up. I replaced my Yeti SB-66 with this bike and could not be happier with my decision, Banshee got the fit and feel of this bike just right (like momma's porridge). The bike does drift well into and seems to stay in the sweet spot to pedal out of corners. I would say this is the most dialed bike I have been on to date and I look forward to some good years ahead of me.
    I just hope I can win some damn enduro events on it (freaking guys are fast out here, and my chubby ass is out of shape).

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    3rd ride and I think the Fox CTD rear shock is starting to break in. Smooth! Lots of grip. On my local test trail (top of Mt Falcon near Denver) which has lots of rocks, water-bars and roots this bike already feels faster through some of technical downhills. As in scary fast. Quiet. Bike feels solid up or down. And it pedals so much better.

    Don't want to jinx it but unless something bizarre develops Banshee really redeemed themselves for the V1 bushing mess.

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    I'm getting more and more tempted by the new Spitfire. I've always ridden 26-ers. I've been wondering about 29-ers for a while, but I don't really want to take the leap.

    The fact that the Spitfire can run 650B wheels, and that it looks awesome, makes it a no brainer.

    There is one thing I'm wondering, though.

    I'm a heavy rider (Unfortunately fat, not tall) at 215 lbs (without gear), and before, I've had mixed experience with air sprung shocks. I've always ended up with (custom tuned shim stack) coil shocks to get proper rebound damping, but a modern, light air shock might still work. What do you guys think? What's the travel/stroke ratio on the Spitfire, and is it falling or rising rate? Is it suitable for using a coil shock, or is it designed (fast rising rate) to favour an air sprung shock? ...And if so: Can I get away with using one? I'm slow and ride like a wimp. No big drops or anything.

    Maybe something like the CCDB Air is the ticket?

    Builttoride?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazed View Post
    I'm getting more and more tempted by the new Spitfire. I've always ridden 26-ers. I've been wondering about 29-ers for a while, but I don't really want to take the leap.

    The fact that the Spitfire can run 650B wheels, and that it looks awesome, makes it a no brainer.

    There is one thing I'm wondering, though.

    I'm a heavy rider (Unfortunately fat, not tall) at 215 lbs (without gear), and before, I've had mixed experience with air sprung shocks. I've always ended up with (custom tuned shim stack) coil shocks to get proper rebound damping, but a modern, light air shock might still work. What do you guys think? What's the travel/stroke ratio on the Spitfire, and is it falling or rising rate? Is it suitable for using a coil shock, or is it designed (fast rising rate) to favour an air sprung shock? ...And if so: Can I get away with using one? I'm slow and ride like a wimp. No big drops or anything.

    Maybe something like the CCDB Air is the ticket?

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    I designed the spitfire to work with both coil and air shocks. It has a progressive linkage. It has a low overall leverage ratio at 2.45:1.

    If I were you I would strongly consider the DBair shock option... you can tune the hell out of that shock if you know what you are doing.
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    Thanks!

    I must say it's pretty great of you to hang around here answering everyone's questions, btw! Thanks! Sincerely.

    I've thought about the CCDB (Air) with it's limitless tuneability in mind, and if I can order the frame with that shock, it's the obvious solution! Thank you! I suppose the Norwegian distributor can get it for me when I'm ready to order? (My Viento (Killer hardtail!!!) will have to suffice as my only bike a while longer.)

    Is it possible to order the Spitfire in the awesome "Kawa" green that I see on some legends, btw?

    Thanks again!

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    I'm afraid that we can't offer custom colours, and green is not on the cards for the spitfire currenty. Mayhem Sports can order the frames with a DBair for you from us.
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    Thanks. Excellent! The red one isn't exactly uncool either, so I'll manage.

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    Seriously I love this bike. I am going to upgrade the shock to the new Xfusion Vector Air HLR. I think the big can and boost valve will help keep from bottoming out when jumping to flat. Other than that, this bike tears corners like no bike I have ever ridden. Well done Banshee. Also mine weighs in at 29.1 pounds with a 34 float fork, that is not bad in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brokepeddler View Post
    Seriously I love this bike. I am going to upgrade the shock to the new Xfusion Vector Air HLR. I think the big can and boost valve will help keep from bottoming out when jumping to flat. Other than that, this bike tears corners like no bike I have ever ridden. Well done Banshee. Also mine weighs in at 29.1 pounds with a 34 float fork, that is not bad in my book.
    if you're running the Fox Float CTD I suggest trying a small reducer first. It has worked excellent for me on the V1 and now V2. I'm around 200lb, run 165psi, 16mm of sag (2 more than recommended) and use all the travel but have yet to feel it bottom out on challenging terrain....

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    Anyone knows, which bearing types/sizes are used in the V2 Spitfire?

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    I believe they are the same as the Prime proto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    if you're running the Fox Float CTD I suggest trying a small reducer first. It has worked excellent for me on the V1 and now V2. I'm around 200lb, run 165psi, 16mm of sag (2 more than recommended) and use all the travel but have yet to feel it bottom out on challenging terrain....
    Felt like i was blowing through the travel too, close to 195 geared up. running about 205psi to get the right sag. Bought the reducer and I hope this solves the issue.

    Other than that this bike really tears up the downhills. love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coocoomike View Post
    Felt like i was blowing through the travel too, close to 195 geared up. running about 205psi to get the right sag. Bought the reducer and I hope this solves the issue.

    Other than that this bike really tears up the downhills. love it.
    wow 205psi seems excessively high to me, I weigh the same and run 40psi less...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    wow 205psi seems excessively high to me, I weigh the same and run 40psi less...

    Maybe my gauge is wrong, but to get the right sag (~14mm), i have to run it that high. Even with that pressure, I still go through all of its travel.

    In any case, I'm loving this bike. The new KS link and geo is pretty amazing. Took it on a nice shuttle run yesterday where i usually have my DH bike. No complaints, super fun and poppy. Really stable in the air. Rear suspension feels great over braking bumps. And carves great through the turns.

    I'm hoping the reducers will ramp up the shock just a little harder through its end stroke.


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    I really wish I could get my hands on one but they seem to be sold out ( in medium anyway) and getting conflicting info on future availability from stores.

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    Frame finally ordered (sold my Jamis Dakar 650) with ETA about a week. Went with the Raw in size large as it's supposed to be available now. Black would be maybe 5-6 weeks for the next shipment if I wanted that. Son #2 was handy at the decision time and voted Raw so I went for it. 650B of course Pretty pumped.
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    Has Banshee responded to the seat tube diameter issue? Seems pretty common on the new frames (rune, spitfire).

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    Quote Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    Has Banshee responded to the seat tube diameter issue? Seems pretty common on the new frames (rune, spitfire).
    It would be good to hear this addressed I agree as it's the one thing that worries me with a frame ordered now. I asked my dealer to have it checked at the distributor before they ship the frame if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    It would be good to hear this addressed I agree as it's the one thing that worries me with a frame ordered now. I asked my dealer to have it checked at the distributor before they ship the frame if possible.

    builttoride what you say to this matter???
    Agreed. I'm not buying the frame until the issue is recognized/solved by Banshee.

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    for what its worth I'm one of the people who complained about the seat tube diameter being off, but so far my salsa QR has not had trouble holding the seat post in place, albeit with it tightened down more than on my old V1 frame, which does concern me still.

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    When we became aware of the seat tube tolerances being slightly on the large side on some frames, which potentially causes some slipping when combined with certain seatposts, we looked into the issue and had the factory service the bearings on the reamer to ensure there was no vibration happeneing. The seatubes have had tighter tolerances since the first production.

    If you do feel that your post slipps a bit over time then I'd recommend trying some carbon paste if your post doesn't allow for a tight clamp to be used.
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    So... what exactly would that mean for people having frames with higher tolerances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    When we became aware of the seat tube tolerances being slightly on the large side on some frames, which potentially causes some slipping when combined with certain seatposts, we looked into the issue and had the factory service the bearings on the reamer to ensure there was no vibration happeneing. The seatubes have had tighter tolerances since the first production.

    If you do feel that your post slipps a bit over time then I'd recommend trying some carbon paste if your post doesn't allow for a tight clamp to be used.
    Wow. Banshee. The bushing issue on the V1 gets a follow up with this one on the V2. You should work on your QA during production. Just recommending carbon paste is not professional...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kijan View Post
    Wow. Banshee. The bushing issue on the V1 gets a follow up with this one on the V2. You should work on your QA during production. Just recommending carbon paste is not professional...
    That seems a bit harsh, overall people appear to be damn happy with their V2, I am. I can live with some carbon paste over the fn bushing disaster called V1 for sure.

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    but still, it is sad to hear an (age) old problem occur on newer frame's. one should learn from previous problems to create a better product right? but to be realistic what other options do you have than to recommand carbon paste? it's not even a bad idea, and you can't expect a company to swap each front triangle for such small tollerance problems.
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    In my eyes, banshee is a group of freaks who design really cool bikes which ride fantastic (Yes, I love my V1 spitfire, but hate it's bushing and wear issue). But: this company seems to lack professionality. There is no adequate communication about shipping dates, quality control seems to be not professional (production in taiwan needs full time presence during production to ensure quality) The V1 had this design flaw regarding the wearing links, I assume it also was an effect of wrong production tolerances with unwanted forces on the bushings...

    I got a V2 upgrade promised due to my wearing V1 frame, the importer promised to deliver beginning of the year, currently I get neither updates nor responses anymore.

    @builttoride: what's going on here? eventually you should stop your marketing stuff, presenting on bike mag and whatever - but get your production under control and delivery chain fixed. If you want to run a successful bike company, that's top prio of your job.

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    But: this company seems to lack professionality.
    I would like to add that Keith was spotted wearing t-shirt and jeans in several promo videos.

    Totally unprofessional!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kijan View Post
    ... production in taiwan needs full time presence during production to ensure quality ...
    Thatīs the one and only Point I like to agree, because I do have Trouble with Outsourcing in my Business too.
    Apart from that - the Quality of my Frames or Correspondence with both Banshee or Distribution have been great for Years! Banshee is by far not the only Bike-Company going through Trouble during Production. It should not happen, but unfortunately sometimes thatīs the Way Things turn ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    I would like to add that Keith was spotted wearing t-shirt and jeans in several promo videos.

    Totally unprofessional!
    Yup, he missed the memo from Gary Fisher....

    No Style is correct there are many bike companies who struggle with production issues and design problems (how many thousands of frames do you think Trek/Fisher has had to give away because of breakage? Me included so great for lifetime warranty but bad design/QC control) Jamis has had loads of chainstay failures and I'm sure people could add plenty more from various other companies.

    I'm new to Banshee and didn't suffer through the V1 fiasco but aside from the seatpost issue (which I'm actually gonna assume is a small percentage) I've yet to read of any issues with the V2 frames of the Spitty, Rune, or Prime. Ok, the 142 dropouts were something but he's already had them redesigned so that's taken care of. It's not like they couldn't be used. Seatpost issue as well has been dealt with once he noticed the comments from users.

    I think the Banshee guys are a small company which requires each person to wear multiple hats and you get tugged in many different directions all at the same time. Stuff can fall through the cracks this way as they take care of the most important fires at the time. I also get the feeling that it's some of the importers/distributors that are dropping the ball and not Banshee themselves. Especially some of the Euro and far removed distributors where I see most of the complaints coming from. Maybe I'm wrong?

    It's obvious that Keith browses this forum when his time permits. How cool is it that we can actually get responses and help from the bikes designer right here on this forum? Guy's who have had serious distributor issues I've seen him send PM's to I assume to get an issue resolved. Should he have to do that? NO, but that's the multiple hat thing going on right there. I do feel bad for the guys with the issues and waiting on replacement frames and hopefully Banshee comes though for you soon.
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    I would say this is a rather small issue, especially if using carbon paste fixes the issue (which I suspect it will). Knolly had a some issues with the first several runs of Chilcotins. As others have pointed it, it's actually more common than you might think. This is hardly the bushing debacle that so many of us dealt with on our Runes and Spitfires.

    In regards to communication from Banshee and Trident, myself and everyone I know have not had any issues. They're both small companies that were completely swamped with the roll out of the v2 frames. I think they've done a pretty good job of correcting what was a shitstorm. You gotta be patient though, you're not dealing with Wally World- just don't freak out when it takes them 3, 4, 5 days to return your emails-

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    I dig this new V2, I look forward to the next ride just hours after I finished the last one. I ultimately want the Cane Creek DBair on it but so far the Fox CTD works like advertised; I use all 3 settings where I can to get the most out of it and really can't fault it after adding the smallest reducer to get the sag right, get full travel without a harsh bottom-out. Just a great bike.

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    Here is mine again. Updates are CCDB-Air and 650B-Wheelset (WTB Frequency i23, Tune MK King/Kong, Sapim Race/Laser, Schwalbe HansDampf 2.25 Trailstar, AV13). Weight is now 13,8 kg because of the loss of 993 Gramms versus my solid 26er Wheelset. Dropouts are the 26 who give enough Clearance in more dry Conditions. For bigger Volume-Tires (2.35 or 2.4) - they may fit too, but would suggest the 650B-Dropouts, especially for muddy Conditions you want more Clearance.

    All I can say is: Iīm impressed to the maximum!

    The CCDB-Air needs some minor Tweaking from the Base-Tune. There is minimal Bob when Pedalling seated, which the Evolver didnīt have, but apart from that Banshee and CaneCreek have done a good Job with the Base-Tune. Itīs a well dialed Setup to start with and I think a few Clicks more LSC and Iīm done so far. The KS-Link with CCDB-Air and BOS Deville Fork simply is by far the best Suspension I have ever experienced - wow!

    The 650B Wheel is harder to tell what makes it so cool and different - and probably "better". Almost 1 Kilo Weightsaving is massive on a Wheelset and makes it difficult to describe if itīs the slightly bigger Size or the lighter Weight. Acceleration is a lot more effortless, just a few Pedalstrokes and you are up to Speed. Yes, slightly better Small-Bump-Absorbtion, slightly better Traction when Breaking and Cornering - but the last two depend very much on Tire-Choice. Less Stiffness? No - thatīs depending on the Wheelset-Buildquality. Mine is 1711 Gramms but feel as stiff as my Hardcore-26-Wheelset. Less playfull? No, not at all. With the 26 Dropouts the Difference was hard to notice. At least it gives a bit more Comfort on a long Bike-Day. And itīs a great Combination for those who donīt need 150 or 160 mm Travel in the Back!

    My Geometry-Settings werenīt touched yet. Still neutral Setting in the Back and -1 Deg Angleset = 74 Deg Seatangle and 65,5 Deg Headangle. Itīs bang on right there where others do their "650B-specific Geometry and Kinematics". But when it comes to Slackness ... well ... you know ...

    Damn - I love this Bike even more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Here is mine again. Updates are CCDB-Air and 650B-Wheelset (WTB Frequency i23, Tune MK King/Kong, Sapim Race/Laser, Schwalbe HansDampf 2.25 Trailstar, AV13). Weight is now 13,8 kg because of the loss of 993 Gramms versus my solid 26er Wheelset. Dropouts are the 26 who give enough Clearance in more dry Conditions. For bigger Volume-Tires (2.35 or 2.4) - they may fit too, but would suggest the 650B-Dropouts, especially for muddy Conditions you want more Clearance.

    All I can say is: Iīm impressed to the maximum!

    The CCDB-Air needs some minor Tweaking from the Base-Tune. There is minimal Bob when Pedalling seated, which the Evolver didnīt have, but apart from that Banshee and CaneCreek have done a good Job with the Base-Tune. Itīs a well dialed Setup to start with and I think a few Clicks more LSC and Iīm done so far. The KS-Link with CCDB-Air and BOS Deville Fork simply is by far the best Suspension I have ever experienced - wow!

    The 650B Wheel is harder to tell what makes it so cool and different - and probably "better". Almost 1 Kilo Weightsaving is massive on a Wheelset and makes it difficult to describe if itīs the slightly bigger Size or the lighter Weight. Acceleration is a lot more effortless, just a few Pedalstrokes and you are up to Speed. Yes, slightly better Small-Bump-Absorbtion, slightly better Traction when Breaking and Cornering - but the last two depend very much on Tire-Choice. Less Stiffness? No - thatīs depending on the Wheelset-Buildquality. Mine is 1711 Gramms but feel as stiff as my Hardcore-26-Wheelset. Less playfull? No, not at all. With the 26 Dropouts the Difference was hard to notice. At least it gives a bit more Comfort on a long Bike-Day. And itīs a great Combination for those who donīt need 150 or 160 mm Travel in the Back!

    My Geometry-Settings werenīt touched yet. Still neutral Setting in the Back and -1 Deg Angleset = 74 Deg Seatangle and 65,5 Deg Headangle. Itīs bang on right there where others do their "650B-specific Geometry and Kinematics". But when it comes to Slackness ... well ... you know ...

    Damn - I love this Bike even more!

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    Hehehehe .. oh well
    Honestly - this is my first Time running bigger Wheels that 26 on a MTB, and it feels really good. Of course the Difference is not that much, so nothing really unexpected. For now Iīm very pleased with the Spitfire as it is, but might get a potential Buyer for the new Phantom in the Future, as I like Short(er) Travel with slack Geometry very much!

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    How about a quick answer. Looking on the web site I see the geo says it was figured on a 545 a-c fork, so I assume that is a 160mm fork? Is that the fork in most of the Pics and videos on the site a 160? What is a-c on a Fox 34 150mm 27.5?

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    Fox 34 650b at 150mm travel setting has an axle to crown height of 544.4mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Fox 34 650b at 150mm travel setting has an axle to crown height of 544.4mm.
    Thanks

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    Lovely Spitfire, from Seaotters Banshee-Booth:

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    I love my spitfire! The most fun frame I've ever ridden, every time I ride it it seems to get faster and faster. I just fitted a reverb and have had no problems with the post slipping! Been playing about with DBair, from the base tune I have taken off 1/2 turn of hrs and 1/2 turn hsc. For climbing I add 3 clicks of lsc and 2 lsr and for decending I back off the lsc 2 clicks this gives me a lively poppy feel which I like..


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    Nice Picture - and good to hear that you really enjoy the Spitfire!
    Love mine too. Never had so much fun for some Time, and the Wildcard already was a damn good Fun-Machine.

    Would like to try your CCDB-Settings, especially the slightly increase of HSR, instead of HSC alone, should help a little for the Pedalling.

    BTW: Any ongoing Desicions according to 650B? All I can say is: Donīt be afraid - 650B and Spitfire are a great Match!

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    Still can't decide on 650b don't want to have to buy new dropouts. If I was going to do it I would like to use my 10mm bolt thru hubs to build the wheels. I have taken off hrs and hsc by 1/2 click not increased it I think the bike rides well like this. Just back from a ride now and it had a lot of climbing so I added 4 lsc from base tune and 2lsr and it climbed amazing no bob or bouncing over roots etc, then at the top take off 2 lsc and fly back down... So my setting are hsc 1.5, hsr 1.5, lsr 14 and lsc 14 for climbing 12 decending 13mm sag, let me know what you think.

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    Heyho,

    Starting from the Base-Tune there was little Bob. Added 3 Clicks LSC and the Bob turns into a very little Pump. You donīt feel it, but you can see it. I was given the Advice to additional increase the LSR to slow the Motion a bit, so I have added 3 Clicks there, too. Iīm going to test it tomorrow. If I donīt feel the Bob than Iīm fine. Sag is 13 mm on mine, too -> HSC 2, LSC 13, HSR 2, LSC 13 to check.
    I have saved your Setup and will check it out tomorrow ...

    If you want to go with your 10 mm Bolt-Thru-Hub, which is of course reasonable, you may be limited in Tire-Choice on 650B. The HD 2.25 is great for Allday-Rides and is much more grippy than the 2.25 NobbyNic, plus thereīs enough Clearance. Iīm not sure if a bigger Tire fits clear enough, plus there are good grippy 650B Tires to be released the next few Weeks ...
    The Cross-Braces at the Short-Links offer plenty Clearance, but the Cross-Brace in the Middle and the vertical Strut on the Drive-Side limit the Clearance more than the other two Braces do. If Banshee would "redesign" these two all Dropouts could be shortened for 5 to 7 mm and would still give plenty Clearance.
    The 26 Dropouts with 650B would take a 2.35 or 2.4 only in dry Conditions I guess.
    Tough Desicion ...

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    Got my M spitfire last monday and built it up.
    It has been a really long wait aboout 3 1/2 months. I ordered a Frame using the Banshee Upgrade program and 2 weeks after my order I noticed a crack appearing around the BB on my old
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    Hi tokrot, I believe a lot of us had to wait Weeks or Months for our Frames, but it is worth the Wait - and especially in your Case - Perfect Timing!?!

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    New Spitty

    Been on a 5 rides so far and really loving it.
    I have not been riding my old rune for months because of a cracked frame just getting out on an old ss a few times, the v2 spitfire seems to be a very similar fit to my old rune even with the same 60mm stem? (maybe I been on ss too long)
    Pedalling position is different and feels much more positive, every pedal is more powerful. This bike is extremely stiff!
    Im 5'11" and glad I went M (same as my old rune)
    So far really happy with the Fox Float 34 65psi(factory banshee in black) I'm preferring to leave it in descend mode I don't find it brake dives that bad. Although it seems to stiffin up when it hasn't been working, not sure if that's a fault or not, for example If I leave it sittin for a while and push on handle bars in its like its in climb mode then eventually it 'frees up'
    I also prefer the rear fox in descend mode, rarely bottoms out with around 14-15mm sag. (180psi)
    Still playing with sus settings...
    I see a lot of riders love the Hans Damf, not real common in NZ, I have been riding 2.25 Maxxis Ardents for a couple of years great tire but I have burped both f&R about 8 times and just did it on the new spitty so they are gone sick of it. I have got some system 4 Intense and had some b4 the ardents and I really rate them, although my local trails are probably well suited to that sort of tire, mostly hard packed dirt and the odd tree root, conditions stay fairly consistent summer winter.
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    I want to raise the BB a bit and keep it slack, but cant find an external lower 56mm cup headset. Is there such a thing, or is there any way to add a spacer to the fork crown? 1.5 steerer

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    Haven't seen a 56mm external lower. I'd go Works Components angle set and put the flip chips in the high setting
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    I havenīt found an external 1.5 Cup yet. Woudnīt it be better to go with steeper Flip-Chip-Setting and Angleset? As far as I know these have external Cup for 1.5, plus you can adjust the HA if you like.

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    Thanks for the reply's

    Aren't anglesets like $200-$300. I want to raise the BB, not just slacken the HA
    I have a full 1.5 will that even work.
    I've been riding in the steep setting for the old school shore trails just to try to avoid pedal smacks, but want to slacken it by .5 degree.
    A new external lower cup would be the answer as it would raise my axle to crown. It would slacken it as well as raise the BB. Don't really have the money for an angleset.
    I guess you cant put your crown race on some kind of spacer?

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    Hmmm yes ... the CCs are more expensive if you buy them as a complete Set (several Cups included). For one single Angle the Works-Components are cheaper, plus no upcharge for Custom-Order.
    So far I havenīt found an external Cup for your Configuration. Iīm not sure if Spacing works properly - maybe a Bike-Shop can give an Answer?!? So maybe an -0,5 or -1 Deg Angleset with lower external Cup could be your Ticket.

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    The CC anglesets are available in a 56 EC (external cup) version, AFAIK they are the only external 56 cups available so far.

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    Install a 650B front wheel only (fork depending of course) is another option. Or front and back both which will raise the BB at least 1/2".
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Install a 650B front wheel only (fork depending of course) is another option. Or front and back both which will raise the BB at least 1/2".
    I would start there!


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    This would be a good Option too, but by far more expensive ...

    But: The Banshee Geometry-Charts are very accurate! My BB is at 345 mm in neutral Setting and 650B. Already low enough and could go lower!

    At least MartinS has it - unfortunately there is no external 56 mm lower Cup at the moment.

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    Measured several times, my bb is 13.25" in the steep setting.
    Website says 13.5"
    Also the wheel base is 1/2" longer, which is considerably longer than manufactures website.
    BTW I have minions 2.35 x 26 and 545mm lyric

    I wish both of these were what is listed on the manufactures site.
    .......and then there is the weight they list.

    I don't find Banshees info accurate atoll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    ... I don't find Banshees info accurate atoll.
    Hmm ... my Measurements are all correct, with both Wheelsizes, due to A2C-Height of my Fork and ZS-Headset?!?

    Anyway: Doesnīt help you for your External Cup-Dilemma ... :-/

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    Here is mine again. Had the Chance to switch Frames with a german Guy who didnīt feel really comfortable on his new large Frame. I was unsure myself if medium is the really perfect Size for me. After a Phonecall we made it happen.

    I have to check a new Chain-Device, or going Clutch-Derailler. Maybe a 40 mm Stem does fit the bill 100%, but itīs good as it is.

    This one has the -0,5 Deg Angleset, so Geometry is:
    - Flip-Chip neutral
    - Seatangle 74 Deg
    - Headangle 66 Deg
    - BB 346 mm
    - 650B Wheels in 26" Dropouts
    - Wheelbase: 1182 mm

    Did some Modifications on the Frame that will void Warranty, but this Baby is here to stay for some Years ...
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